Hope to see HD2 boot up with WM7 ... Any luck news about this other than http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-shown-on-the-hd2
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Hope to see HD2 boot up with WM7 ... Any luck news about this other than http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-shown-on-the-hd2
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we just have to wait and watch...
but there is some surity that WP7 will be port to HD2(yeah, we have nice piece of hardware )
Cotulla and his team already playing with WP7
Seems like there's a very good chance.... since all the new windows phone 7 uses the same 1st GEN snapdragon.
Which is also quite disappointing actually if you look at it from a different stand point. Pretty sad launch for HTC and Windows to use dated hardware which has been available since last year. You'd think they use newer hardware to really push a launch of the their new OS, which quite frankly is Microsoft's last chance to try and take back to mobile market......
i like wp7... im waiting quietly ... android works ok an wm is still an okay os.. so im in no rush
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I was thinking of getting a used HD2 to port android. any advice?
Adivce on what excatly? Android or the HD2 itself?
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I was thinking of getting a used HD2 to port android. any advice?
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If you want an Android phone, GET AN ANDROID phone. HD2 phone works with Android, but its not 100%, and you still have Winmo 6.5 in the background. It simply does not work as good (stability and speed) as a true Android phone. Im sure that IF WM7 gets ported, the same will be true. Close, but not close enough.
The HD2 is a phone for WM6.5 first, and other OS's second.
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If you want an Android phone, GET AN ANDROID phone. HD2 phone works with Android, but its not 100%, and you still have Winmo 6.5 in the background. It simply does not work as good (stability and speed) as a true Android phone. Im sure that IF WM7 gets ported, the same will be true. Close, but not close enough.
The HD2 is a phone for WM6.5 first, and other OS's second.
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I agree with almost all of your points but I can't agree that the Hd2 "won't" be as stable as a true Android phone is when the development has been finalized. Now if you are only speaking about today then "okay, you're right most of the Android builds aren't that stable yet". The Android build that I am using on my HD2 is 100% stable right "Now". As for speed it is faster than 99% of all the current new Android phones out right now. It is speed testing above the Nexus one Android 2.2 which I think almost everyone would agree is pretty fast. The camera being 3 megapixels instead of 5 is the "only" issue it has. The Video camera is actually better on the Android side than it is on Win Mobile side. And my win mobile rom is rock solid.
This next point is very important: The only reason the camera and other issues has not been resolved of yet is because HTC "had" not released the Kernel Source for the Android builds. Just yesterday HTC released the Kernel source of the Desire Z and the G2 which means that the Camera issues and foot print issues on the Desire Z, and Desire HD builds will likely be resolved in the "Very" near future. At which point my Android build which "honestly" is already stable and running faster that the Nexus one android 2.2 will be "Better" than most true Android phones when I choose to use Android.
As to the question that prompted your reply " I was thinking of getting a used HD2 to port android. any advice?". I totally agree with you that If the person asking the question wants a Android phone don't buy the HD2. But if it is choices that is wanted the HD2 is a good option. And it is why I chose to buy an HD2 in spite of the fact that Microsoft said they weren't going to update it to Win 7, which was going to make the 6.5 obsolete, and the available apps compared to the iPhone and the Android Market place are very, very weak. I knew that I would be using the Android Market place apps whenever I wanted to, and in time I would be shopping at the Win phone 7 market as well. Because of Xda developers the HD2 offers it's owners more choices than any other phone right now. And I for one love having choices : - )
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If you want an Android phone, GET AN ANDROID phone. HD2 phone works with Android, but its not 100%, and you still have Winmo 6.5 in the background. It simply does not work as good (stability and speed) as a true Android phone. Im sure that IF WM7 gets ported, the same will be true. Close, but not close enough.
The HD2 is a phone for WM6.5 first, and other OS's second.
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True but my T-Mobile HD2 with android is way better than a Motorola Cliq on 1.5 lol. Yes I know I shouldnt even compare an HD2 to a slow Moto Cliq
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This next point is very important: The only reason the camera and other issues has not been resolved of yet is because HTC "had" not released the Kernel Source for the Android builds. Just yesterday HTC released the Kernel source of the Desire Z and the G2 which means that the Camera issues and foot print issues on the Desire Z, and Desire HD builds will likely be resolved in the "Very" near future. At which point my Android build which "honestly" is already stable and running faster that the Nexus one android 2.2 will be "Better" than most true Android phones when I choose to use Android.
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Which (whose) Android are you using, and are you using on the stock 2.13 TMOUS ROM? I was on Darkstone's Froyosense, but the PPP kept dropping connection on me every 8 or so hours, and a 5-minute reboot made it a pain... so unless I can get an RMNET version or stable PPP release, I'm still not using Android as a daily unit (plus, battery life is still poor, although Nexus port has good battery life, but I get the robotic voice... <sigh>).
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Seems like there's a very good chance.... since all the new windows phone 7 uses the same 1st GEN snapdragon.
Which is also quite disappointing actually if you look at it from a different stand point. Pretty sad launch for HTC and Windows to use dated hardware which has been available since last year. You'd think they use newer hardware to really push a launch of the their new OS, which quite frankly is Microsoft's last chance to try and take back to mobile market......
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I can partially agree, but app developers along with the team that worked on this OS certainly need sure specs to be able to develop fragmentation free. Using this slightly older, but still very high end, specifications also allowed the OEMs to make devices with little or no driver development. This strategy is very Apple. This OS will not be 'open' as android or Winmo are. MSFT has alos stated that OTA updates come from them directly, with no red tape from Carriers or OEMs.
Sony's rumored PSP2 is an example. though a few developers have said that they have one, there have been no announcements for any region. these things are years in the making and changing something like the processor may have delayed launch.
Does anyone remember how dated the G1 (dream) looked at it's launch? it didn't even have 3.5mm jack.MSFT is getting this thing out as soon as it can. they don't want to be a Palm, and have devices leak like the pre2 that probably won't even get a date until CES
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I agree with almost all of your points but I can't agree that the Hd2 "won't" be as stable as a true Android phone is when the development has been finalized. Now if you are only speaking about today then "okay, you're right most of the Android builds aren't that stable yet". The Android build that I am using on my HD2 is 100% stable right "Now". As for speed it is faster than 99% of all the current new Android phones out right now. It is speed testing above the Nexus one Android 2.2 which I think almost everyone would agree is pretty fast. The camera being 3 megapixels instead of 5 is the "only" issue it has. The Video camera is actually better on the Android side than it is on Win Mobile side. And my win mobile rom is rock solid.
This next point is very important: The only reason the camera and other issues has not been resolved of yet is because HTC "had" not released the Kernel Source for the Android builds. Just yesterday HTC released the Kernel source of the Desire Z and the G2 which means that the Camera issues and foot print issues on the Desire Z, and Desire HD builds will likely be resolved in the "Very" near future. At which point my Android build which "honestly" is already stable and running faster that the Nexus one android 2.2 will be "Better" than most true Android phones when I choose to use Android.
As to the question that prompted your reply " I was thinking of getting a used HD2 to port android. any advice?". I totally agree with you that If the person asking the question wants a Android phone don't buy the HD2. But if it is choices that is wanted the HD2 is a good option. And it is why I chose to buy an HD2 in spite of the fact that Microsoft said they weren't going to update it to Win 7, which was going to make the 6.5 obsolete, and the available apps compared to the iPhone and the Android Market place are very, very weak. I knew that I would be using the Android Market place apps whenever I wanted to, and in time I would be shopping at the Win phone 7 market as well. Because of Xda developers the HD2 offers it's owners more choices than any other phone right now. And I for one love having choices : - )
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i totally agree with your comments and would like to add just one thing. There is not much android devices on market which has 1 gb rom and 500mb ram yet on the market. So Android on HD2 is still much better then most of the native android devices on the market even tho working on the sdcard yet. Once nand version is released it is gonna be a killer not only being able to run android but also multibootable! If you only gonna stick with android and you are in need of a new phone then only superior HTC android devices like desire HD might be a better choice imao
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Which (whose) Android are you using, and are you using on the stock 2.13 TMOUS ROM? I was on Darkstone's Froyosense, but the PPP kept dropping connection on me every 8 or so hours, and a 5-minute reboot made it a pain... so unless I can get an RMNET version or stable PPP release, I'm still not using Android as a daily unit (plus, battery life is still poor, although Nexus port has good battery life, but I get the robotic voice... ).
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Whenever my data drops I just turn off the wireless 3g network, then turn it back on, and that usually resolves the issue.
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I'm using the new hyper droid 1.6.on my hd2 and its daily.don't even touch winmo anymore.battery life its my only complaint.but I like having winmo as a backup. All droid phones have crappy battery.the fact that I can do anything to the droid rom and never worry about my device becoming a brick its great.plus having the option of three OS's (winmo, droid, ubuntu) is better then just having a droid.
Also what is "nand" ? Is it like the computer when you pc your os at boot? Rather then haret?
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I don't mean to be negative, I am actually really happy with my HD2 using WinMo- but I don't get the WP7 hype. I have watched the youtube videos and the OS looks cramped on the phone. I understand that Sense makes our phones look amazing; but I have heard that MS won't allow any Sense on WP7. The ability to customize my phone and make it look COMPLETELY different than anyone else's is one of the biggest draws to any phone; and from what I can see all the WP7 phones look the same!
Has MS done something completely outside the box with this phone that no one is talking about?
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I don't mean to be negative, I am actually really happy with my HD2 using WinMo- but I don't get the WP7 hype. I have watched the youtube videos and the OS looks cramped on the phone. I understand that Sense makes our phones look amazing; but I have heard that MS won't allow any Sense on WP7. The ability to customize my phone and make it look COMPLETELY different than anyone else's is one of the biggest draws to any phone; and from what I can see all the WP7 phones look the same!
Has MS done something completely outside the box with this phone that no one is talking about?
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One could only hope that was the case with WP7 but then again it is microsoft so the chances of it being something outside the box are yet to be seen..
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Which (whose) Android are you using, and are you using on the stock 2.13 TMOUS ROM? I was on Darkstone's Froyosense, but the PPP kept dropping connection on me every 8 or so hours, and a 5-minute reboot made it a pain... so unless I can get an RMNET version or stable PPP release, I'm still not using Android as a daily unit (plus, battery life is still poor, although Nexus port has good battery life, but I get the robotic voice... <sigh>).
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Try this combo... I am running Android as a daily driver... data is speedy (2MB Down / 1 MB Up here in Salt Lake City, UT).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=802194
Use the OzDROID ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774417
Then load the 2.5 update from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=802194
You will be thoroughly impressed. It may freeze up during the first boot of Android. Just soft reset it and you'll be good to go. I used heavy 3G data all day and still had 40% battery at the end of the day. The touchscreen is much more responsive than with WM.
Good luck...
I think WP7 will eventually come. Android didn't take long because similar hardware with the same drivers launched and it was relatively easy to port. Windows Phone 7 has models that are basically the same hardware too so it should come quickly.
I'm anxiously awaiting this also! I dont use my HD2 anymore, I have an EVO for my regular phone... I love windows mobile though
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If you want an Android phone, GET AN ANDROID phone. HD2 phone works with Android, but its not 100%, and you still have Winmo 6.5 in the background. It simply does not work as good (stability and speed) as a true Android phone. Im sure that IF WM7 gets ported, the same will be true. Close, but not close enough.
The HD2 is a phone for WM6.5 first, and other OS's second.
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I would not make comments off the cuff without actually knowing the facts. Yes, the HD2 was designed as a device to run WM 6.5 and/or WP7 At that date no one was clear on Microsoft's expectations and a hardware definition had not been made public. A lot of folks believe this was behind T-Mobile upping the Ram and ROM footprint, in the expectation it would be potentially upgradeable to WP7. Then Microsoft shot it down, so HTC has essentially reworked the same hardware with a few tweaks (love the little stereo speakers, not so much the kickstand, which LOOKS cool as hell, but is claimed to be unstable from the rounded base-edge)
That said, the next point is, Windows Mobile does NOT "run in the background" - It is there mostly to initialize the hardware (else we would be in driver hell) and when Haret boots the Android kernel, it first UNLOADS the WM kernel. So no, Android does NOT run on top of WM, as a lot of folks seem to misunderstand.
Finally: Stability and Speed? Okay some builds are just reaching a stable point (remembering that we have only HAD working Android builds for 3 months when they first got it booting properly on 8250 Snapdragon Processor.) and perhaps you have not SEEN the cute little performance graphs, provided bay Quadrant on the builds? (see attached)Even the attached Performance numbers - the SLOWEST I have EVER gotten on my HD2 (Usually see 1500+) blow away the Nexus One running Froyo 2.2, Moto Droid X and Samsung Galaxy S - Three of the hottest Android Phones out there (well, the Nexus is getting a bit long in the tooth)
So, to the guy looking for advice? Lets say that while you CAN run android on it, you WILL have to jump through some technical hoops, and you SHOULD at least have an interest in running WM at least part time, since, as Gibbage pointed out, that was the OS it was originally designed to run.
Oh, and if Windows PHONE 7 gets "ported" (there is no "Port" needed, as the HD7 hardware is almost identical) it will run... well just like it runs on the HD7 (assuming bugs & issues can be worked out)
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hey all,
ive had my Hd2 for about 6 months and I'm thinking of getting rid of it for a N1 or a Desire. i mean is this a smart move?
my main reason is the lack if apps for the hd2 is pathetic and most are in the old skool windows mobile interface, which looks crap to the likes of the sense ui.
im also finding the slowdowns in win mo are driving me bonkers. for a high spec phone im not impressed.
course being that i have to lay down the best part of 400-600 pounds to get the forementioned phones id like the communities help. im tempted for a google N1 as the updates are more regular, but the sense UI on the hd2 i find really nice. so what would you guys say is the betterof the two? and would you get one over the hd2
thanks,
Luke
oh no... another one of those...
how the hell should we know?? vast majority of us in these parts of the forum have hd2, so isn't it better to ask those questions on android boards?
geez... how many threads like this do we need?
Im with mr. bronx on this one...
surely the HD2 community are the people to ask, as you've stayed with HD2, you'll be the most wise as to why not to get the android, and/or why you stayed with the HD2 over the new androids?
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surely the HD2 community are the people to ask, as you've stayed with HD2, you'll be the most wise as to why not to get the android, and/or why you stayed with the HD2 over the new androids?
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To be brutally honest, it is personal preference.
Every phone has it's issues.
Every operating system has it's issues.
Every owner has their issues with the above.
i have gone from the HD2 to the Desire and to honest for me anyway i find the desire and android a joy to use, dont get me wrong i still think the HD2 is a awesome phone but windows is a real pain sometimes.
im just hoping HTC gets us the android 2.2 update soon
android gets updates fast ,you will buy desire , and after one month android 2.2 is released ,and when upgrading officially to it ,android 3.0 will be released , android is not stable and very un mature os
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android gets updates fast ,you will buy desire , and after one month android 2.2 is released ,and when upgrading officially to it ,android 3.0 will be released , android is not stable and very un mature os
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android is not stable? mine hasnt let me down once since i got it, the update is adding features not fixing stability issues
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android is not stable? mine hasnt let me down once since i got it, the update is adding features not fixing stability issues
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you didnot understand me ,iam not talking about it ,iam talking about the version stability and the completness of features winmo
is updated nearly every two years and mainly skinning updates ,as it has alll features that a mobile could have but android gets update every 2-3 monthes , which adds new features to catch up other mature os
ahh got you now
but everyone seems really happy with 2.2 features and it has everything i had on the HD2.
like it was said above its just a personal preference thing.
Keep your HTC HD 2 android is on the way, either by dual boot, or being that of htc evo coming out, and actual rom.
The HTC HD 2 is the most powerfull device out there, and you can do whatever you want with it, no restrictions nothing, you can have a vast majority of operating systems.
Most can be ported thanks to the lovely people here at XDA.
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ahh got you now
but everyone seems really happy with 2.2 features and it has everything i had on the HD2.
like it was said above its just a personal preference thing.
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android 2.2 is the begining for the android to be mature ,but after 3 monthes , google announces the android 3.0 will be avaliable in q4 ,may be then it will be a better os than windows , with more options ,and specifications
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Keep your HTC HD 2 android is on the way, either by dual boot, or being that of htc evo coming out, and actual rom.
The HTC HD 2 is the most powerfull device out there, and you can do whatever you want with it, no restrictions nothing, you can have a vast majority of operating systems.
Most can be ported thanks to the lovely people here at XDA.
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An android port to the HD2 is not going to be like an android phone that came with android. It will be a long time before the port is as functional as an android phone. You're probably not going to want to use the android port full time as it will be a while before it uses all the hardware properly like bluetooth, wifi, camera, sound, etc. There could also be heating issues, battery issues, stabilty issues, etc. People seem to think that the evo rom will easily be ported over and it will be fully functional. It doesn't work like that. The touch pro's android port has been developed for over a year and it still isn't nearly as functional as a full android phone.
Don't get me wrong... I can't wait to be able to boot into android on my HD2, but I expect it to be over a year from now until it will be good enough to want to use full time instead of WinMo 6.5. HD2 is a WinMo phone, and thats the only os that it will run well for probably at least the next 6months to year. It may never run another os good enough to use full-time.
Do what your heat tells you. Just playing. Honestly, its all about what you need your phone to deliver for you.
My phone completes what I want and makes me happy. I sometimes feel the lack of apps but it is no big deal.
All I really use on a daily basis are Stocks, weather, music player, youtube app and web browser. You will obviously find more apps for android.
Personally, I dont need all those apps you find for android like optical illusions, weird sounds and bla bla bla. Sure I need an app like NBA Game Time similar to that of android but nothing that I desperately need.
I just hop on espn with skyfire or Opera 10 Mobile and Im good.
Android lacks quality games just like Windows Mobile but FPSEce helps a little my HD2.
My sisters own a Motorola Cliq and a Droid and nothing to major for me to want Android. Maybe If the developers from this site get a working android port I will be HAPPY.
Other than that, this phone fulfills my needs.
AGAIN, DO WHAT YOUR HEART SAYS.....LOL.
Don't allow others make your decision.
I bought my Misses an Iphone for christmas. The other day she was complaining it was running slow. I asked her when the last time she turned it off. " Turned it off" she said " i`ve never turned it off " just plugs it in at night to charge it up....Now thats a stable operating system.......
I love my HD2 by the way......
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I bought my Misses an Iphone for christmas. The other day she was complaining it was running slow. I asked her when the last time she turned it off. " Turned it off" she said " i`ve never turned it off " just plugs it in at night to charge it up....Now thats a stable operating system.......
I love my HD2 by the way......
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I have to restart my HD2 at least once a day.
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I bought my Misses an Iphone for christmas. The other day she was complaining it was running slow. I asked her when the last time she turned it off. " Turned it off" she said " i`ve never turned it off " just plugs it in at night to charge it up....Now thats a stable operating system.......
I love my HD2 by the way......
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I've not rebooted my HD2 for at least 3 weeks, and I think that was due to a tweak in BsBtweaks needing a restart to take effect.
I can put you in touch with several people who have had iphones that lock up and become unresponsive more than once a week if you want?
Complexity will always have instability.
HD2 is much more sexy than ANY other phone on the market around imo..
Besides, they are working on Android for the HD2.. And making some good progress lately..
Nothing better than a phone that could eventually even dualboot .
If you want games and apps to play about with/be cool with around your mates, get an iPhone or another type that most 'mainstream' users have.
Hey all,
I have been waiting for news on this and it has been May since there has been any word on the Android OS being able to run on HD2s. Supposedly they have gotten over most of the major conflicts with this anticipated pairing. Check out some of the information from this article below:
Title:
HTC HD2 Android Port Makes Strides, Nears Release [Community Overcomes Problems Plauging HTC HD2 Android Port, Hopes to Have Public Release Available Soon[
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With Windows Mobile dying a slow and painful death, Windows Phone 7 right around the corner and Android gaining a considerable portion of the smartphone marketshare along with buzz, the HTC HD2 remains a device lingering in limbo, begging for some attention. Regarded as one of the best Windows Mobile 6.5 powered handsets with a 4.3-inch capacitive display, 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 576MB of RAM, a 5 megapixel camera, microSDHC slot and WiFi/Bluetooth/GPS/3G the HTC HD2 lacks no where in terms of hardware, but arguably everywhere in terms of software.
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Apparantly, the port was plagued with problems regarding the HD2′s processor along with the Linux boot tool dubbed HaRET that would be used to actually make the Android port. Luckily, those problems have been overcome giving the HTC HD2 Android port the much needed kick to near public availability. Be sure to check back soon as we track the port’s progress.
If/when this port is made available, will all of you HD2 owners out there make the jump from Windows Mobile to Android? If not, why?
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Article from - Nexus404.com
I am not sure how true this is but hopefully it does come out soon cause i do miss my Android OS. Let me know how you guys feel about the article if you want to search for it.
I also have heard that someone actually has a working Windows Mobile 7 on a HD2, its in the development stage, can someone post on that if they know more. I am hoping for a dual boot so I can use both and have the best of both worlds.
Later,
AndroidWindows
T-Mo HD2 6.5
Energy GTX Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
android fake app
hey theres a pretty cheezy app in the omarket that looks like android its basicly like the sbpshell i guess but its kinda cool to mess around with =) and i cant wait for andriod i check up on it every day haha i hate this winmo 6.5 crap
Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.
guess if you could do a dual boot with windows and android..would that make it the first hybrid OS? maybe call it WinDroid..or has that already been coined?
check out the twitter page where they posted a pic of the hd2 running ubuntu
twitter. com/htc_linux
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guess if you could do a dual boot with windows and android..would that make it the first hybrid OS? maybe call it WinDroid..or has that already been coined?
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There are several other WinMo phones that can boot into android... this isn't the first winmo device there working on this for. That's how we pretty much know what to expect with the port and how it will take a long time to get it fully functional... They'e been porting android to winmo devices for years... even before there was an android device released.... but not one port is fully functional yet like a dedicated android phone. These android ports are fun to play with and if theres specific apps you want to use its nice to be able to boot into android... but they usually aren't good enough to replace winmo as your daily phone os for a long time. So don't expect your HD2 to become as functional as an EVO or any other android phone anytime soon.
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Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.
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Who can tell whether the android port for HTC HD2 is also valid on my t-mobile HD2.
I know the work is in progress but want to check it first, since I have an offer to exchange for a HTC HD2 currently.
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Titicaca said:
Who can tell whether the android port for HTC HD2 is also valid on my t-mobile HD2.
THX
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IT works on TMoUS HD2 the same as EU HD2
they work just the same
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There are several other WinMo phones that can boot into android... this isn't the first winmo device there working on this for. That's how we pretty much know what to expect with the port and how it will take a long time to get it fully functional... They'e been porting android to winmo devices for years... even before there was an android device released.... but not one port is fully functional yet like a dedicated android phone. These android ports are fun to play with and if theres specific apps you want to use its nice to be able to boot into android... but they usually aren't good enough to replace winmo as your daily phone os for a long time. So don't expect your HD2 to become as functional as an EVO or any other android phone anytime soon.
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Wow if I knew this I wouldnt have gotten one. Guess I should have done more research..
i hate windows, i cannot wait for an android os for the hd2, if the android os wasnt in the works i never would have bought the hd2. i appreciate all of your hardwork on this project, youre all great, and if i could i would donate thousands to the cause. but im a poor broke white boy, lol.
ClosetFreek said:
i hate windows, i cannot wait for an android os for the hd2, if the android os wasnt in the works i never would have bought the hd2. i appreciate all of your hardwork on this project, youre all great, and if i could i would donate thousands to the cause. but im a poor broke white boy, lol.
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Like I said earlier... the android port is not going to be as good as an android phone. Your not going to want to use it full time and replace windows with it for at least a year. You shouldn't have gotten a HD2 if you don't like winmo, because thats the only os that will run well on the phone for a long time. The android port will be nice to play with, but its going to be very buggy and not very functional for a long time. Look at the android ports for the other winmo phones... and they've been under development for years.
I don't know about that...I've used the port on both the Touch Pro and the Touch Pro 2 and both are REALLY good. Really...the ONLY thing that stops me from using the TP2 port in everyday use is the "no external speaker". It's usually not a big deal durring work hrs since it's on vibrate all day anyway...but when im home and stuff gets loud...vibrate doesn't work for me. The only other things that don't work I believe are camera, bt, and gps(which KIND of works). None of those 3 would stop me from using a phone every day. The Android port for the TP2 is blazing fast compared to other devices with the same processor(i.e. g1/mytouch) and offers you that beautiful wvga resolution(480x800). if and when the HD2 gets to that point...i'd use WM durring the day for work, and Android by night lol
Is triple booting possible?
I thuroughly enjoy the freedom that the HD2 allows us. If you know how to us WM propperly,there isn't anything that this hardware can't handle. Adding the ability to boot into Android, or WP7 for that matter,is simply an added bonus. Will I install it on my phone? Of course. There isn't much that I haven't installed on my phone. But did I buy this in hopes of a port to another OS? No. I would have bought a phone that came with said OS if I needed that.
Thank you to all the developers who have worked tirelessly to make our phones so much fun. Keep doing what you do for those of us who can't.
^i agree wholeheartedly. I bought this phone after having a G1 and before that having a Wing, MDA and SDA. I am used to WinMo and Android and though I love Android, I can't say I'm dissatisfied with WinMo at all. I love the freedom to flash roms and all the different sorts of customization options I've got. If Android is what you want, I'd say don't get the HD2 from the start.
Speaking of Win 7 I hope the developers are working on it for the HD2. Rumor was that it will not be able to run on it.
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I thuroughly enjoy the freedom that the HD2 allows us. If you know how to us WM propperly,there isn't anything that this hardware can't handle. Adding the ability to boot into Android, or WP7 for that matter,is simply an added bonus. Will I install it on my phone? Of course. There isn't much that I haven't installed on my phone. But did I buy this in hopes of a port to another OS? No. I would have bought a phone that came with said OS if I needed that.
Thank you to all the developers who have worked tirelessly to make our phones so much fun. Keep doing what you do for those of us who can't.
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+1! Very well said!
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Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.
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Why even bother if it is soo buggy and not fully functional? Just for fun? I don't get it if it is sooo far away from a fully functional port why is everyone so excited. Sorry but your statement makes me feel like this android port is a big waste of time. Im sure next time I get a new phone I will try out an ANDROID phone.
The reason we are excited is because it brings new life to our phones, it allows us the freedom of choice. I love Windows and I love Android and the prospect of getting WP7 makes me excited because I don't have to shell out money for a new phone when I have a phone that I love right here, to do whatever I want and make my phone what I want it to be. It isn't a waste of time, it is a huge step to the development for a Android port to an original Windows phone. Saying it's a huge waste of time is like saying cooked roms is a huge waste of time, it adds another spectrum to our devices allowing us to customize, mod, hack, and personalize as we please.
I just booted Android on my HD2 and I can not wait till it's stable and I can play around with it even more. I got to the Set Up Device screen and played with the menu ! I'll post a video soon!
hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
Read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719646
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hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
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If you want android, get a native android phone. It will be a very long time before it runs as well on the hd2, if ever. There are still several functions not working and it's not nearly as stable as an android phone. It's running stable for a port this early in it's development, but it's still a work in progress. If you want a working android for everyday use now, you will want an android phone.
its not quite there but its getting there if you want android though just get the nexus but i would rather have the big screen and awesome hardware and wait for android because it will get there maybe a month or so
No, I don't believe android will ever be stable on a non-native device. Even on devices that have been developing android to work on them for years have not reached a point of "stability." When they say it's running stable, they mean the OS, not the phone functions. Just get a droid phone if you want droid.
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hello folks,
iam from germany so it'll be a long time before i get my hands on the evo or the droid x.
so today i read on engadget that android froyo and 2.1 are running stable on the hd2. what about the battery time, is it still an issue? is the android market working?
are there any benchmarks?
I am quit a "poweruser" so are these builds advanced enough for every day use?
thanks
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Buy the hp for what it is, I bought this phone knowing that it's what it is.
I would buy an Android with 5mp and above, with dual led light, 4.3" screen(this is addictive!), thin design, qwerty keyboard, hdmi out, above 512mb ram, Above 1g processor and lots more beyond mentioning.
But I bought a HD2. Smiles for now.
I'm optimistic about android on the Hd2. I think many people on here will run it as their main OS before the year is over. Since when are factory shipped operating systems so infallible? The shipped WM roms stink compared to the custom roms. In the end its is pointless to speculate on what may or may not happen. My recommendation is to buy the HD2 because it is the best WM phone ever with an exciting android port to play with.
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I'm optimistic about android on the Hd2. I think many people on here will run it as their main OS before the year is over. Since when are factory shipped operating systems so infallible? The shipped WM roms stink compared to the custom roms. In the end its is pointless to speculate on what may or may not happen. My recommendation is to buy the HD2 because it is the best WM phone ever with an exciting android port to play with.
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But he's not looking for the best winmo phone with an android port to play with.... he states he's an android "power user" that needs a very stable version of android with everything working. I'm amazed at how quickly they have got android working on the HD2 and how functional and stable they've got it... but it will be a longtime before it's as stable and functional as a native android phone and has the same battery life as an android phone (android ports are all notorious for having terrible battery lifes... power management is one the last things that get's completely working and stable). I've been playing with android ports for other winmo devices since the kaiser.... not one is completely functional or as stable as a native android phone. If your goal is to use android full-time, there's no point in buying a winmo device hoping it will run android stabily one day... get an android phone. Personally, I love both winmo and android, so I love having a powerful winmo device with an android port in development... it's exciting watching and playing with it as it progresses. But if you don't like winmo, the HD2 is not for you.
will a custom ROM have android instead of WM6.5 ?? i mean it will direct boot to android or we still have to open android from WM6.5 ??
at the moment you run android as an application in windows mobile.
other way is to flash andoid to nand like we now flash our windows mobile roms.
as far as i know there is not enough room to flash both OSes to nand. <- pls correct me if im wrong
oh ok when it will be 100% functional with everything working it could be flashed to nand without the WM ?
why did u buy a winmo phone when u want android?
...the world as we know it...will come to an end... lol well what's most likely to happen is people wanting to get windows phone 7 on the phone.
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PhoneConnect247 said:
...the world as we know it...will come to an end... lol well what's most likely to happen is people wanting to get windows phone 7 on the phone.
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loooooool i saw the title and was about to write the exact same thing ...
what would happen ..... it will run 100% no more no less , alltho i doubt that will ever happen cuz it occasionally has bad days on nexus too , like all the OS-es
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at the moment you run android as an application in windows mobile.
other way is to flash andoid to nand like we now flash our windows mobile roms.
as far as i know there is not enough room to flash both OSes to nand. <- pls correct me if im wrong
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i think thats wrong. android is NOT an app running in windows mobile. this would mean android is runnning as some kind of emulation. as far as i know, winmo is still needed in order to initialize the hardware. by starting haret.exe, the wince-kernel is shut down and a linux bootloader is started.
hopefully we'll be able to flash an android rom to nand and have a device which can hold either OS equally. I personally like the fact that the HD2 can become versatile. I agree - that if someone wants to run android only, he should buy an Android device. I wanted to have a taste of android with the ability to run WM as i have for the past 4 years.
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I agree - that if someone wants to run android only, he should buy an Android device.
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but if someone wants to run android on such a beautiful piece of hardware like our hd2? have you ever seen a good looking android device (i mean the physical device itself, not the ui)?
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but if someone wants to run android on such a beautiful piece of hardware like our hd2? have you ever seen a good looking android device (i mean the physical device itself, not the ui)?
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I bought the device with the intent on running android. I am not help bent on completely removing it
There hasnt been a device until the evo 4g that had the same screen size. And since i dont hop carriers I cant use the evo.
The my touch 3g slide screen is too small
The my touch screen is too small
The samsung galaxy screen is too small
The g1 screen is too small.
The samsung behold 2 sucked !
THe cliq sucked
The nexus 1 screen is too small
So people do have reasons to have the hd2.
Plus a lot of people I have met with the hd2 didnt realize what they were buying. Most people hate the phone. They then see mine with android and fall in love.
hazard99 said:
I bought the device with the intent on running android. I am not help bent on completely removing it
There hasnt been a device until the evo 4g that had the same screen size. And since i dont hop carriers I cant use the evo.
The my touch 3g slide screen is too small
The my touch screen is too small
The samsung galaxy screen is too small
The g1 screen is too small.
The samsung behold 2 sucked !
THe cliq sucked
The nexus 1 screen is too small
So people do have reasons to have the hd2.
Plus a lot of people I have met with the hd2 didnt realize what they were buying. Most people hate the phone. They then see mine with android and fall in love.
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screen problem will get fix'd with the desire hd ^.^
but running android on the hd2 like it is native would be just awsome.. thats true for sure )
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screen problem will get fix'd with the desire hd ^.^
but running android on the hd2 like it is native would be just awsome.. thats true for sure )
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Can't wait
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Can some one answer this question. What windows mobile 6.5 do, that android can't do? This is my first WM phone and I tho it was alright. I would of got the Evo but I can't switch carriers until the end of the year. Since now we got android, I'm staying with t-mo. I pay full price for this phone ($560.00 in NYC) I first regretted and since android I don't. Anyways I found that android do much more for me than WM. So if I'm wrong please some one tell me. Ps: excuse my english.
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For me, I would consider the NAND flash for Android ROM the 100% fully functional since that is of primary importance to me here.
I bought my HD2 even though I knew it had WM. And at the time I didn't want Android at all, just my WM, but with some configurations & such.
But now that I have Android running on it instead, I never want to go back.
And just like someone else said, there ain't an Android phone around that have the same hardware specs as the HD2. Except the EVO, but I've had my phone a long time before they released the EVO. And from what I know it's only available in the US. Maybe I could import one and configure it to run on Swedish networks, but wth..
The wife and I got this phone and she didn't realize it was Windows Mobile. This was my first experience with Sense UI and thought it was awesome.
I loved the phone for what it could do and actually "Used" it to it's potential. She "HATES" it. Then again, I don't blame her. Sense fails hard when it comes to texting and load lag
She can't wait till I can flash Android to her phone. Me, i'll stick with my options.
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why did u buy a winmo phone when u want android?
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I don't think people who HATE WinMo buy this phone with the sole intent of putting another OS on it. I think most people bought it for the screen & the media capabilities. For me, I saw a lot of potential in the hardware specs and bought mine cause it's the last real WM phone(I'm sappy like that) and because it's a GSM phone that I can unlock & use for years to come. It was like buying a barebones PC that I could run whatever I want on & have multi-boot systems.
I decided to run Android on it initially out of sheer curiosity, and so I can learn the next OS I'm gonna be using. When WM dies out(it's GOING to happen, so we may as well face it), Android will be what I will move on to partly because its Linux & open source, and partly because there's no way in pus-spewing, blood-gutted hell that I would ever use an iPhone or Blackberry(WP7 has NEVER been an option). I must say, Android runs VERY well on this phone even in its current stage of development, I can't wait to see how awesome it'll be as a fully flashable rom. I'm already almost to the point of not even missing WM anymore. I've been running it for a week now & I'm getting to know how everything works & I love it. Very versatile & powerful, and quite stable. I don't think I quite realized just how many lockups and crashes I was really having with WM until I started using Android as my main OS. The first time I used Android I HATED it because I had a bad build & an underpowered phone(One of the first leaked Froyo builds on a Sprint Hero) and it ran like crap. But with the combo I've got now, it's simply awesome. Everything is so integrated & all the programs mesh together so beautifully. It really does 'just work', and it's hackable & customizable at the same time. Best of both worlds. If & when a NAND version of Android for the HD2 comes out, you can count me in.
Don't get me wrong, I will ALWAYS love WinMo. I think it's the best mobile OS there ever was, and it's incredibly sad that it's dying. It would still be going strong if Microsoft had just marketed it better & hadn't copped out with WP7. But I'm not gonna stay with a stagnant platform that nobody develops for anymore(I'd have stayed with Palm OS otherwise), and I was honestly starting to get bored with it. I had pushed WM to it's limits & did everything I could possibly do with it, and it's just time to move on. I believe Android is the wave of the future, and will eventually overtake the iPhone in popularity.
Plus I love robots, so anything named 'Android' is automatically cool in my book
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Friendly robots are a plus in my book.
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Once android 2.2 is fully working, android gingerbread will be released and people can start working on that. Windows phone 7 is also a possibility. Ubuntu is still under development as well. The possibilities are endless.
Why windows mobile 7 when android so much better?
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It seems that android has come to an end for the HD2. There hasn't been major updates in a long time. Not just NAND but lets say the Light sensor hasn't been fixed in any clean froyo builds or random freezes and crashes. In regards to NAND, there hasn't been much activity going on with porting it. I wonder y? could it be that the project just got too old and boring or is it because windows phone 7? in any case it seems to me that this project is slowly coming to an end and only a few chefs are starting to realize it (shubCRAFT, Hyperdroid) are no longer supported (which is due to personal reasons too) i understand that. Im not angry or venting just confirming it. should I sell my [email protected] to get a My touch 4g or a g2? at this point it seems better than waiting for android to work.
I am not trying to anger anyone I just wanted to hear some thoughts.
Im using MDJ FroYo Sense Clean and its stable, fast and the battery drainage is really ok, so i dont think "android for hd2 comes to an end", but "android for hd2 becomes nearly perfect". Sure WP7 is here, so xda-chefs are working for first ROM for HD2 , but i don't think Android-Development is stopped completely
I don't think it will be at an end for years.... but they have done most of the major stuff they can do. I dont think nand is really working as well as they hoped it would... it sounds like it may be slower than sd card. They're still working on it, though. Bugs will continue to be worked on, too.
What more did you expect out of a port? They've done an amazing job. You can't expect it to be as stable and smooth as a native android phone. I always said if you want to use android full-time, you're better off with a native android phone. But what other phone can run winmo and android this well. And its the best winmo phone out there. And there's a possibility of running meego and wp7. Its gonna be my phone of choice for a long time still.
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Very well said. I will never sell this phone for the mere fact that I can dual boot and the GPS on this thing is amazing. Way better than my Samsung Captivate.
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Android on the hd2 is already better than I ever expected it to be, so I'm happy. I use winmo when I need the phone to be stable and for certain apps... then when I'm playing around or want to use certain android apps I can boot into android in less than a minute. What more could I want. If they were still developing winmo phones, I'd still buy winmo phones... most new winmo phones eventually run android good enough to use any apps you want to use.
People who say the hd2 runs android better than native android phones always compare it to android phones still running stock roms without tweaks. If you tweak and customize a native android phone, it runs way better than a hd2 ever will... that's why if I wanted android full-time I'd get a native phone.
But I love the many options and possibilities the hd2 offers... and I still like winmo and the way I can customize it. Android runs good enough for me on it.... and you can't run winmo on an android phone.
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I fully agree with you. But I'm tired from winmo. I want to feel something new. Something undiscovered for me. Its something like a new car. But I've already bought hd2 and i don't want another phone. I just want android without Linux. I just want a fully based android for my phone.. so, can i get it anywhere?
Sorry for my bad English.
Greetings from Russia
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Do you mean NAND (Android without WM-loading)? There isnt a ROM yet, but stay tuned
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Do you mean NAND (Android without WM-loading)? There isnt a ROM yet, but stay tuned
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One Guy just told me about HTCClays SuperHD2 that he founded forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768768 and it runs with minimal screenfreezes and a great battery life.
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Im using MDJ Froyo Sense and i have NO freezes and battery drainage is about 1%/hour
I think it'll be a big mistake to sell your HD2. It is probably be the best and most versatile Windows Mobile device ever built. One device able to run Windows Mobile, Android and very soon Windows Phone 7.
I'm currently been using Mdeejay Evosense 2.3 with hastarin kernel 7.8 and the latest pop wrapper currently being tested. For me android is 99% perfect and I've not had to boot back to Windows mobile in more than 2 weeks. The thing with these android builds is that you've got to try several till you find one which works for you. I tried 7 different builds before finding my current one.
However, we are all different and so you have to decide for yourself. If you feel you can't handle the various issues that are still being worked the, the maybe you should sell your HD2 and get a native android. I personally won't do that.
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oh come on guys. Gingerbread is right around the corner. That will boost interest again. I started with the G1. Interest in it didn't die until i got the HD2. The main reason i got the HD2 is because the G1 couldn't run 2.2 very well. That has been a few months now and I'm sure they got things running well on it. Seriously and they said that the G1 wouldn't run 2.1!! The difference between G1 and HD2 TONS! I honestly dont think there will be anything that android releases that the HD2 wont be able to run.
Granted they have slowed down big time with the releases of android OS but thats a good thing. They were launching stuff so quickly it didn't give the devs time to make stuff rock solid.
I read today that the nexus 1 dev phones will have 2.3 (gingerbread) pushed to them next week! I'm ready bring it on! I know the devs here will tackle it asap.
I fail to see how it is anywhere near the end of the road. Android as it stands now is more stable for me than WinMo ever was. The only slight detractor is battery life which is still not bad at all, I get 20-22 hours straight out of my battery which is only slightly worse than I get with WinMo (about 26 hours).
The reason there's little in the way of amazing, groundbreaking advances in Android is because there's very little left to do. The latest kernels are fantastic, battery life has improved greatly, reliability is amazing now, there's very little left that doesn't work or breaks. I cannot remember the last time I've had a force close, screen of death or anything else terminal, and I no longer boot into windows at all.
Most of the chefs and devs here have things called "personal lives" that require time, and while there's little left to do they are spending time concentrating on themselves. Give it a few weeks/months until gingerbread comes along and the scene will pick up again. In the mean time feel free to get hold of the tools yourself and see what you can do?
If your Android doesn't work properly when I personally have installed Android on about 8 Hd2's for myself and my friends and they never have any complaints then you should investigate why, not give up and sell your phone. That's half the challenge!