All weekend I've been seeing/hearing the Blackberry Torch commercials, posters and radio drops. It made me wonder, where the hell are the G2 commercials and stuff?
I don't really hear or see anyone talking about this phone AT ALL. It's only when I go to specific Android or G2 forums that people like us are talking about it.
Have you seen anything about the G2?
At least it's up on tmo's home page for pre-order info
T-Mobile is knownto have a SH*TTY marketing team.
They real need kahonas to come out say this device beats everything out there...
someone has mentioned before that t-moible's big boys have limited budget for the marketing dept. I personally notice this too. I don't see as many T-mobile commercials as a few years ago
I think a majority of the people interested in the G2 don't need need to be marketed towards anyway. The marketing would probably help with phone sales, but I'm not sure it'd be enough to make it worthwhile.
G1/G2 users seem to mostly be the techy crowd that has been following G2 news for a while anyway.
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I think a majority of the people interested in the G2 don't need need to be marketed towards anyway. The marketing would probably help with phone sales, but I'm not sure it'd be enough to make it worthwhile.
G1/G2 users seem to mostly be the techy crowd that has been following G2 news for a while anyway.
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One could argue that by saying Droid was meant for techy crowd too, but its not like that. The only reason Android became mainstream was because of the heave droid ad/market campaign that verizon did. No one knew what android was until verizon ads showed up showing how droid could muti-task and the whole App business.
If t-mobile could produce Ads half as good as Verizon produced for the droid, I dont see why the Non-techy crowd would jump on.
As of now the G2 is in the eyes of Techy, Sidekick, messaging users....
I hope it becomes mainstream like droid....
I'm not saying they shouldn't market it; I just don't see the big reason for it.
If people already have service with T-Mobile, they'll see it when they decide to upgrade their phone.
If people don't have service with T-Mobile, they'll typically find out when carrier is best for their area then pick a phone.
It's a nice phone, but I don't see it as something that would be a big draw for new customers. IMO phone marketing is pretty useless. People that care will find out the information on their own or when they upgrade. People that don't care about the features won't be buying it anyway. Marketing wouldn't really let out a big secret, people will see the phone when they shop/upgrade anyway.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't market it; I just don't see the big reason for it.
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$$$$$$
(it's this little thing that all profit companies set as a goal)
Remember the phone has not launched yet, the Blackberry Torch commercials did not start until the device launched. Hopefully it will be the same with the G2.
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$$$$$$
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Which is exactly why I said it may not be worth the money in my original comment...
Marketing costs millions. They won't even sell millions of these phones, and profit margins on the hardware itself is next to nil. It's not exactly an 'epic' phone that will bring a ton of new subscribers like some of the others.
So, you answered your own question. It wouldn't be profitable to market this phone. It's not going to be a big draw for new users and the hardware isn't profitable on it's own, so why would they waste the money?
Since they're quite obviously in the business to make money, and they surely pay people a lot of money to make their marketing decisions, I am sure they ultimately decided that it in fact wasn't worth the money. Either that, or they just didn't want to make money (which sounds odd for a company that's out to make profit).
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Which is exactly why I said it may not be worth the money in my original comment...
Marketing costs millions. They won't even sell millions of these phones, and profit margins on the hardware itself is next to nil. It's not exactly an 'epic' phone that will bring a ton of new subscribers like some of the others.
So, you answered your own question. It wouldn't be profitable to market this phone. It's not going to be a big draw for new users and the hardware isn't profitable on it's own, so why would they waste the money?
Since they're quite obviously in the business to make money, and they surely pay people a lot of money to make their marketing decisions, I am sure they ultimately decided that it in fact wasn't worth the money. Either that, or they just didn't want to make money (which sounds odd for a company that's out to make profit).
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Good think verizon never stepped up to plate with their droid line, who wants an android phone anyways right?
And a phone from apple? lol stick to your computers please.
Oh yeah, there's no way people would pay a dollar for a bottle of water either.
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Good think verizon never stepped up to plate with their droid line, who wants an android phone anyways right?
And a phone from apple? lol stick to your computers please.
Oh yeah, there's no way people would pay a dollar for a bottle of water either.
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I wish I lived in your fantasy world where marketing is always profitable. I have a lot of crap I should spend millions to advertise, because it can't possibly fail.
You should send T-Mobile your resume because you seem to have the expertise that they are lacking. Their marketing department, full of people with marketing degrees that have probably been in the business longer than you've been alive, have no idea what they're doing. You, however, understand that anything with a commercial will be a huge success.
Stupid T-Mobile.
BTW, the G1 was marketed by T-Mobile. Why would T-Mobile spend the money to market a phone that isn't available to new customers? New customers are where the money is, so it'd be pretty retarded to advertise a phone that these new sources of money can't even buy yet. Heck, what do I know.
Why don't we wait until the official launch. It's too early to tell what t-mobile will do.
and you two stop bickering. lol
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I wish I lived in your fantasy world where marketing is always profitable. I have a lot of crap I should spend millions to advertise, because it can't possibly fail.
You should send T-Mobile your resume because you seem to have the expertise that they are lacking. Their marketing department, full of people with marketing degrees that have probably been in the business longer than you've been alive, have no idea what they're doing. You, however, understand that anything with a commercial will be a huge success.
Stupid T-Mobile.
BTW, the G1 was marketed by T-Mobile. Why would T-Mobile spend the money to market a phone that isn't available to new customers? New customers are where the money is, so it'd be pretty retarded to advertise a phone that these new sources of money can't even buy yet. Heck, what do I know.
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T-Mobile's marketing team is known for being rather lackluster.
I'm pretty sure my current clients are satisfied with my expertise in advertising their companies and products. Then again I could be wrong and I'm just scribbling in my notebook during home room, remind me how old I am again?
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Why don't we wait until the official launch. It's too early to tell what t-mobile will do.
and you two stop bickering. lol
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Well, yeah. If anything, they'll wait on the marketing until profitable people can actually buy it.
Right now only people that are already with T-Mobile can buy it (and wait to get it). They'd be pissing in the wind to advertise it now.
I have no marketing experience (because im an engineer) but If we were offered a gig to market the G2, I believe we can come up with some great ideas.
Maybe someone should hit up Tmo on twitter and let them know that we are willing to do this, lol
lol i second the stop bickering request.
you guys have to realize that they dont have the money to advertise/build hype for a phone that isnt on the market yet. Just you wait, they will start advertising once it is released.
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I have no marketing experience (because im an engineer) but If we were offered a gig to market the G2, I believe we can come up with some great ideas.
Maybe someone should hit up Tmo on twitter and let them know that we are willing to do this, lol
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theglock said:
lol i second the stop bickering request.
you guys have to realize that they dont have the money to advertise/build hype for a phone that isnt on the market yet. Just you wait, they will start advertising once it is released.
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You'll see like two commercials run for a week or two, tops, for the G2.
That's just how tmobile rolls.
All I know is that T-Mobile needs to get on the ball. And whoever the hell said marketing isn't a big deal, hmmm... 30 million bucks for a 30 second spot during the super bowl? Nah, not a big deal at all.
There's no such thing that G1/G2 is made for the "techy" crowd. It's ALWAYS about money. They want EVERYONE to buy the phone, not the 5,000 devs out there. lol
But anyways, I want to see some commercials or something about this. Of course it's going to on T-Mobile's website....
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My resoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.
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My reasoning is simple Iphone 4 is set up for pre purchase 06/15/2010. I think that would throw a wrench in Apples plan. I would run a few commercials on Tv like a bad politics campain Android does this and Iphone OS doesent do that. Maybe more people would jump on the Android bandwagon. Also wih AT&T's bad data plans why would anyone want an Iphone 4, with all the data I use I sure dont want to loose my unlimited data plan. I'm not Google so who knows whats going on.
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I dont think It will throw a wrench in Apples plans. I say this because theres average people out there that just care for the name "Iphone". So if google releases there update prior to that it wouldnt matter because theres alot of people out there that dont even know what froyo is. Nothing against android or anything of that nature because im android all the way. Its just that I dont see the effect of releasing it the day before since there arent too many "average" people out there that are aware of the update. thats just my opinion though.
If I were Google, I'd release it when it's ready and rid of bugs. I don't really think Google is concerned about the timing of iPhone 4 preorders. They just need to keep making quality products and people will see the light.
I see your point but maybe it would get the average user thinking. I did I had all the previous Iphones and thought apple was the greatest until I got tired of the same old stuff. I did some browsing about the nexus one and said maybe I'll jump ship. I jumped and never turned back I currently own 2 Nexus Ones for me and the wife who loves the phone.
Is true that HTC and Apple are competitors. But in my opinion each of them make 2 different cellphones that targets 2 different kinds of consumers. Allthough they share alot of the same functionallity i think they are WAY apart from eachother. I have had both side by side but i fall on HTC because of my personal opinion and the vast things you can do with the N1. BUT i do think Apple make a fine product and sports a phone with a funtionality that does work VERY well. The big difference is of course the open source vs not open source. I think HTC is way more forward on new functionalities while Apple does follow behind because honestly they haven't really done anything more innovative with their phone since they launched the iPhone. But the phone has what most people need. It contain a very stable OS that rarely fail on you, while we are never ending experimenting on combining kernels, radios and ROM's to get the best out of the N1. It's two different phones alltogether, just choose your side. I don't piss on anyone who ditches their HTC for a iPhone. To me Apple and HTC aren't really competitors. I think both does a good job with their products. It has always been the hassle about the End-User agreement all together.
So recently i have come to terms with these two companies that, whatever happens, what they do i don't give a friggin damn really. they both make fine products.
Because we really are geeks aren't we? that is why we love the N1/HTC and not iPhone
Predict the next set of Lotto numbers while you're here, please.
I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
Although i would love to see Google/Android dominate the technology and phone industry, competition is always healthy for us consumers, and for as long as competition exist, we can all be assured our Nexus and our future android devices will always get better.
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Predict the next set of Lotto numbers while you're here, please.
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2-14-32-12 LOL Remember to box it
more and more this seems like a "nice guys finish last" story where Google is playing nice and apple is the confident Chad...
Google needs to step its game up
Who will win?
I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.
Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.
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Im currently eligable for new upgrades. Would like to get 2 but I dont want to dump the nexus one.
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.
Hmm I thought you can keep your plan? And that unlimited plan wouldn't be available to new customers only?
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If I'm not mistaken, AT&T bumped everyones eligibility to NOW (if you were set to be eligible in sometime 2010). My entire family is eligible now, but I don't want an iPhone, nor do I want to lose the unlimited plan I am on as of now.
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If I were Google I would have released Froyo on June 30, 2007 and then I would have kicked Steve Jobs in the balls just for the fun of it. This year, I would have released Android 3.5, Horchata, about 10 minutes ago because that's when I would have wanted to be playing with it.
If only Google was as awesome as me. Alas.
If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.
If you were Google you should ignore threads like these. And concentrate on fixing whatever issues you currently have on FroYo and release it to the public ASAP. You should expect impatient people ranting here, after all this thread isn't violating any forum rules, and if it is, the MODs would've closed this already.
Mr. Google you shouldnt let little things frustrate you. Just saying
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If I were Google I'd post on this forum and tell people to stop posting stupid threads like this. How many "My froyo release date prediction" threads do you really need on a single forum? Make a megathread or stfu already, no one cares when you think Google should do something.
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I don't know about your but it seems to me a looooot of blackberry people like my friends want the new iPhone.
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You are right, i don't know why but blackberry users want the iphone. maybe there is a explenation for? why don't join the freedom
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I agree, specially coz I cant wait for Froyo to come out. But IMO, timing the FroYo release prior to the iPhones pre purchase day will do very little or no effect. IPhone will always be most popular, Apple's marketing strategy is par to none. They attract a broad market of people from all walks of life. And since only a few percentage of the population are techies, most of us could care less about how great an open source device is, android's unlimited potential and the things it can do that the iPhone might not.
Although i would love to see Google/Android dominate the technology and phone industry, competition is always healthy for us consumers, and for as long as competition exist, we can all be assured our Nexus and our future android devices will always get better.
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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...
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You're right about apples advertising, hands down the best in their field. Of course, google refuses to advertise on television so who knows whether they could compete. Personally I'd like to see what google could do on TV . Imagine what they could've done with the nexus if they tried. Its a really curious decision, I'm interested in Google's strategy of avoiding proven successful advertising techniques...that's why nexus sales don't phase me, because google didn't try to sell it so I'm convinced they didn't even really want to sell it. Maybe they wanted to get it out, then really push it when better features/updates came about. Oh well who knows, i could speculate all day. Anyway I still trust google knows what they're doing, for now at least...
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Didn't they release an iPhone-esque video online? Remember seeing 2 versions of it on here. Wasn't all that impressive to me... I think Google knows they're not ready to compete with iPhone just yet . Here's hoping the Nexus Two is a different story.
No useful info in this, but just a story that me and my friend found so funny, I thought I would post it.
So my Apple fanboy friend Colin decided to go and pick up the iPhone4 today. He knows how I feel about Android, and hes also admitted that after seeing all the features of my Nexus One that he has no doubt that Android is dominant over Apples OS. But he still decided to get one, as hes one of those “I just need an iPhone cause its an iPhone “ people. No problem. So I go to T-Mobile with him to watch him seal his fate and sell his soul to Steve Jobs.
We walk in the store and ask for an iPhone 4 to play with, and since there wasn’t one on display (guess people steal them) they said we can play with the model they have open to the public if we do it in the presence of one of the T-Mobile employees. Again, no problem.
So the lady comes up and pulls the glorified app launcher out of her pocket and hands it to him. He starts to play with it and asks me “does your Nexus One have a larger display?”. I pull it out and lay it down next to the “can only hold me with a certain hand and in a certain manner if you want me to even half ass work” device. Now keep in mind, Im American and my friend is British, but we both live in Berlin, Germany. When I lay my phone down next to the iFLOPPED, she says in German “oh you cant even compare the iPhone to any Android phone. It s just on another level”. I smile, as I can speak German, but I didn’t want to take on a salesman with my half ass broken German. I just smile and he asks if she speaks English. Then then replies in perfectly spoken English “why yes, I lived in the UK for many years”. I almost got an erection….
So I nicely ask her…”when you said its on another level, could you give me an example how”? She replies “ where do I start? Firstly, the camera is great. It has a 5mp camera that’s much better than the 3GS model”. I say “So does mine”. She then says “ It shoots video in very high quality 720p”. I replied “um..yeah so does mine” (who cares if a hack did it..it still does ) She then says “Something that’s also been added is that the phone can now multitask with all the apps you want in the background. I replied “um, no it cant". I then said (thank God I had Quickdesk installed) “what it can do is have specified applications that can be chosen to run in parallel to one another, like this” ( I then used quickdesk to show EXACTLY what the iPhones “multitasking looks like and does). I then said, “true multitasking can do this…” I then loaded up my SNES emulator, booted Donkey Kong Country, started playing, then turned on Eminems new Recovery album and had it running in the background, turned on Fring and left it running in the background, and then went to Google Talk and messaged my friend Rene that I would swing by his house later and went back to the game, right on the level I left it. Thankfully, my Enomther rooted Nexus didn’t skip a beat.
So at this point, she starts to get upset. Colin is chuckling to himself but is a bit embarrassed. He then asks “so how much can I buy it for without a contract”? She says “you cant actually buy the phone without a contract right now”. I say “that’s strange. My phone is 6 months old, has done everything that you claim only your iPhone can do, and I got it for 400 euros NEW WITHOUT CONTRACT” (eBay auction sniped in the last 15 seconds ) . After adding up the insane amount of money he would have to pay for the iPhone in the end if he renewed his contract, he put the phone down and just said “hmm..”.
So now shes getting VERY upset. Not only have I just proven her to be a salesman who doesnt know **** about Android OR the iPhones OS, she asks impatiently “so did you want to upgrade?” I then playfully say “yeah Colin. After the way the iPhone just pretty much owned my Nexus with everything she just said, youd be dumb not to buy it right”? She then took the iPhone, walked over to her manager and talked to him for like 2 minutes. They both came back and the manager says “Im sorry sir, but we re going to have to ask you to leave the store. If your friend wishes to upgrade, you will need to wait outside. Colin then says “its ok..I think I wanna have a think about it before I upgrade”. I say thank you to the manager and that “im sorry if I made anyone upset. I just wanted to defend my phone agains the comment the lady said about it earlier”. We then walked out, and Colin starts BUSTING out laughing. But the GREATEST thing is that 30 minutes later, we walked into Vodafone, and we walked out 20 minutes later….with his brand new Nexus One (and hes LOVING it).
Now, if she would have known her stuff, she could have said “it has a front facing camera, higher screen resolution, ect (which I could have still countered with “useless if your friends don’t all have smartphones, blah blah). But she didn’t. Sorry, but I work as a marketing manager and did sales before. So if your gonna attack something Im passionate about, you better know your stuff.
Whats the moral of this story? Simple. If your gonna be an Apple fanboy..fine. But if you want to enter a debate with an Android user, KNOW YOUR STUFF, because we certainly do. (thanks to the awesome and intelligent as FOOK Android community)
Just thought you guys might find that story as funny as we did.
Edit: BTW, I dont encourage making anyone lose a sale at ANY type of store. What I did was self defense, not provocation.
Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
Oops, must have missed the UK part in my initial read through.
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Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
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Nah...ATT is U.S only. Only T-Mobile sells the iPhone4 over here in Germany, and only Vodafone has the Nexus One.
Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.
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Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.
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WRONG. First rules of sales are "ABC" (always be a closer) and KNOW YOUR PRODUCT LIKE THE BACK OF YOUR HAND. She didnt, and at the same time SHE DOGGED MY PHONE. Thats the ONLY reason I said anything. If she would have known her product like she should, firstly she wouldnt have tried to sneak a low blow on my Nexus, and more importantly she would have had ALOT more features she could have named to defend their most popular product.
Edit: And the fact that I like to know what I pay damn near 550 U.S dollars for doesnt make me a geek. I like to know what I invest my money in, and at the same time I like to know the competition and the alternatives
I didn't know people actually did that irl.
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I didn't know people actually did that irl.
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Didnt actually do what exactly? Argue with a salesman?
I guess she's used to people who want the iPhone to be the types that are just dazzled by the design and taken in by the marketing.
Still, your mate made the right choice in the end
you sounded like a douche there
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Heh. Agreed!
Dude all she wanted to do was make the commission money. The iPhone has one of the higher commission for the sales person out of any other phone. To her its just some stupid job that pays her bills, not some smartphone war between geeks.
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I didn't realized there were volunteer spokepeople for products, let alone get into it with a salesperson trying to earn a buck.
Yeah, she wants to make a commission, so what? His friend wanted to get a value for money smartphone. He probably wouldn't have if you were there.
If I were the sales person I'd say something like "I don't go to your job and knock the d!cks out of your mouth!"
Look everyone... the OP has a point. She should have done her homework instead of B.S.'ing his friend "to make a buck". Since she didn't... a Vodaphone salesperson made a buck instead. That's capitalism.
OP, I don't think you were a douche... you didn't whip out your phone until your friend asked about screen size, and you didn't really diss the iPhone so much as you simply pointed out that your 6 month old N1 could do the same. You're fine...don't listen to these guys.
i dont get what everybody's deal is, "trying to make a buck". Know your god damn product and sell it well. its not like he did it to be a ****. she asked.
Nice story, the sales person should know their product, especially if they attack another product. If you're going to make statements back them up. Oh and if I was you're friend who just witness you being asked to leave the store, I would just politely say that I wouldn't buy the phone from this store anymore and that it was bad customer service.
She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.
That's a story I know too well. I know what I want and no salesrep has so far been able to sell me something. Even when I WANT to be convinced that buying the phone I want is a smart choise, they still can't win over my more sensible side
And this being an iPhone only makes the story more entertaining :-D
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She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.
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Damn, they got us there...
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
kinda like the facebook page idea. I hate that Samsung doent give a **** about selling us a broken phone, even if they said they were really sorry itd be ok if they didnt fix it. Not only are they pricks, they're dicks too.
Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. There will be people showing up to buy them. They will be watching its debut day. There will also be press and reviewers about its debut. Thus, if you have a crew of buddies willing to help you out in boycotting their Vibrant 4G or any of the coming Galaxy S product with picket signs and banners for in front of the local stores with drums and horns. Have your buddies call up local news and it will make it to some news since people will wonder what is going on... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up. Too bad we just missed the CES. With all those press there, that would have been perfect! We need to organize into big group to do this more effectively even if lawsuit takes forever.
This will get them to know how angry we are about this "Froyogate"
Also, maybe somebody needs to make a boycott app for ALL Galaxy S product.
Report our problems on site like RipOffReport.com, scam.com, ScamBusters.org
Give the bad review that you think the product deserve on sites like amazon epinion, pricegrabber, cnet, etc.
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/samsung-responds-to-froyogate-accusations
Corporations want to maximize their profits, both for themselves and their shareholders. Thus, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
A tipster has come forward and said that Samsung is holding back the Android 2.2 (Froyo) update from the T-Mobile Vibrant (Samsung Galaxy S variant) because they are afraid that such an update will impact sales of their upcoming Samsung Vibrant 4G Plus.
Reportedly, the new device is little different than the original Vibrant. In addition to the original Vibrant, the Vibrant 4G Plus has a front-facing camera, Android 2.2, and HSDPA+ 21 support.
Here's what the tipster said:
Some disturbing things have happened the last week or so concerning our “Vibrant”. Samsung has NOT allowed us to push the update OTA for 2.2 because they feel it will decrease the value of the upcoming Vibrant4G +. While from a marketing aspect i totally understand, as the Vibrant 4G is what the original Vibrant should have been in the 1st place. But to shun off and bold face lie to customers is NOT what T-Mobile is about.
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Furthermore, if Froyo works in "Vibrant 4G" - another product of Vibrant, this means it should be already for distribution for the Vibrant 3G version with minor changes.
I like the sound of all of this. I can't stand the idea that samsung suffers no repercussions for selling so many broken phones. Froyo or no froyo, the phones gps is broken, samsung shouldn't have the option to not fix it, it's INSANE
I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
OP, check out the hashtag thread. If everyone screams the same thing our voice is louder.
cwoodworth said:
I thought that if you demonstrate to T-Mobile that the official Samsung GPS Tool fails, they would consider it defective and send for a replacement. Don't crucify me if I'm wrong, I haven't dealt with either companies.
My Samsung Vibrant came hardware locked, with faulty GPS. Samsung told me it wasn't there problem (no warranty because I brought it into Canada without an "international warranty"). Have I thought about a class action suit? Nope. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm Canadian or something, but I've just tried to fix my own problems. It's not the first product that's let me down, and I don't expect some lawyer to make it all better. Eventually the awesome people on this forum came up with a fix for the hardware lock. Then they brewed up roms based on the 2.2 leaks. Then a hardware GPS fix, combined with new software updates and now my GPS locks on in under 15s.
So what have I learned from all of this? I won't be purchasing a Samsung phone again. They've lost a customer. I vote with my wallet, not by signing some e-petition, or joining a Facebook group.
Do you really think a class action would change anything? Even if you are successful, you'll probably just get a credit towards your next Samsung purchase, or a refund on the cost of the GPS chip.
Let them know how you feel, and that you won't purchase any of their products in the future, and will be advising friends/family to do the same. kobesabi has outlined some great ways to let them know.
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I understand your feelings. And I think most people in here is of the mindset that we can fix our phones better than Samsung. What is going on here is a movement towards holding Samsung to their promises. They are in the OHA and therefor are legally bound to release the Source Code for the Vibrant. The second thing is that they promised multiple times throughout the last year that they would release Froyo to the US Galaxy S phones, and they didn't. If you vote by your wallet that is OK. How much do you spend on buying a new phone? With the current pricing around $500 without contract. If one person doesn't give Samsung their $500, Samsung doesn't care. If all the people on XDA doesn't give them $500, Samsung still won't care. However if we can get enough people to realize that Samsung is not a good company to buy from as they have TERRIBLE software support for their phones, if we could get 100,000 people at first, that is $50 million, which is still just a drop in the bucket for them, but that is surely more painful than $500. This is to try to make Samsung take responsibility for their products.
Agreed, Samsung should be held to the agreements made regarding their source code. I also agree that people should be informed Samsung as a company, and their poor customer relation choices.
I just think a Class Action is the wrong way to do it
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Well, debut day of Vibrant 4G or Successor is coming up. ... Resist if they give you and your buddies Vibrant 4G to shut you guys up.
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Riiiiiight...I promise I will do that!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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Send me all your grievances
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Copy and paste them on RipoffReport
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Thanks for all the Support
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I made a theme song
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6815946
(To be honest I would have made this song at least a month ago before all of this but I was real busy all through December)
Here's one more thing we can do:
Post bad reviews of Samsung Galaxy phones on all online retailer web sites that sell them. Got an Amazon account? Post feedback there and drive this phone's rating down it gets Samsung's attention and warns potential buyers about buying a product that they will most likely be dissatisfied with once they realize that GPS is marginally functional and that it's running now outdated version of Android with no update in sight. Do the same on Tiger Direct, NewEgg and whoever else sells this phone.
Collectively we can definitely make Samsung take notice.
Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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Lol the iphones attenna doesn't work.... no one sued over that
Although im all for the law suit
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Let me google that for you..what do you know...multiple lawsuits filed regarding antenna gate.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...on-suits-filed-over-iphone-4-antenna-flaw.ars
Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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Also, people can also get creative on Youtube. Or something like MicBeast...the more sabateurs try to oppose him, the more view counts it gets and the more people pay attention to it.
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http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_6834100
I will be working on a YouTube video
exactly what kobesabi said
don't be fooled by the saboteurs
they had my thread closed
and I will not respond to any more of their BS
I am still going through with this class action
My original thread regarding the CA had nothing to do with this song
This came out of me complaining to people
about the constant issues I've had with my Vibrant
They would say "just shut up and make a song about it"
So I finally did
Agent Jones is one of those users that joined this forum for the sole intent and purpose of having my thread closed, and possibly having me banned from this forum. These are his posts see for yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=56507152
please join me in having saboteurs like him banned from this forum
people like him
whose sole purpose is to silence anyone who opposes their best interest
have no place in any public forum
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I have just joined the Facebook group NeverAgainSamsung: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_119358658137499
C'mon!
AndroidPerson said:
As someone else said, imagine what would happen if the iPhone's GPS didnt work, so why is Android held to a lower standard? Why are we supposed to accept whatever we are given, regardless of what we are promised? The SGS and iPhone 4 cost about the same amount, but we, as Android owners are supposed to just be grateful for anything that we get even when its less than promised?Samsung is already "rumored" to be planning our phone's successor. Thats bull****, we dont deserve to be treated like this. I love the Class Action Suit, but does anyone have any other creative ideas to not only help out current SGS owners but also ruin possible SGS 4G prospects? Samsung needs to be taught that we wont just be grateful for whatever we get, we demand what we are promised, we demand what we pay for; this is only reasonable.
A company should at least have some concern for their consumers, even if its barely recognizable. Samsung left us with a broken device we paid handsomely for, they have 0 concern for us. So I pray to whoever is listening up there that the SGS 4G fails miserably. If I knew how, Id make and circulate a Facebook page with just a couple of sentences outlining the case against Samsung. Even those who dont know much about Android would pay attention to a facebook page saying Samsung has ripped off SGS consumers, so avoid any Samsung phone at all costs, there are plenty of great alternatives. Maybe there is a more effective avenue, maybe we could even pursue multiple avenues. The goal is to bring attention to the shortcomings of the SGS we currently have, it deserves Samsung's attention. And now is the time, while the class action is getting attention, lets pile it on. Im happy to do what I can, im just not sure what to do. Any ideas?
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I love the facebook idea, we can have a vote "buy from samsung again, yes/no"...set that up and lets start a movement and make other consumers aware of what samsung had done.
Lot of good ideas here, maybe op can update with an organized list. I registered at scam and tipoff report so I'll start or add to samsung complaints, and th facebook thing sounds great. Let's keep it up
We egg sammys ceo house all day long )
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http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252442468100086
We should show that we are all united to help HTC and not let Apple take down the company who make our devices. One of the best Android makers there is in the world currently.
HTC isn't going away. They will just have to pay a bunch of money to Apple and Google said they will help HTC stay in business if that happens.
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
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I think all of them would rather see a competitor fail. Best case scenario in their mind: HTC sales drop, get hit with more fees per phone, become weak and get sold on the cheap.
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This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
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Based off of your post, I'm pretty sure that I know about a couple of dozen iPhone owners (ie almost every one of them) who clearly smarter than you.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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For the same reason - patents.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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Well, lets Google.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5
Lets see what we have here. We have people that wants Apple (an American company) to fail. We have the same people who wants HTC, LG, Samsung, and etc (all foreign companies) to take down apple. I don't follow the line of reasoning.
I don't like GM cars but I sure don't want them to fail or be underdog to the foreign markets.
I'd rather bug HTC for source code to 2.3.3 update
As for buy american, I agree but I also disagree: https://www.insightcommunity.com/case.php?iid=1333 (move down)
'Buying American' used to mean more than buying an American based company's goods ... mainly product made in America. Or at least for the most part. The two might be based (for the most part), as a whole, in two different regions ... in a way. But they are essentially coming from similar locations, in this case; not America / US.
But, hey ... 'merica! *waves mini flag*
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Apple is having ZERO profitability issues.
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stoc...surd-AAPL-DELL-HPQ-RIMM-NOK-GOOG-PHG0720.aspx
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Just wow! Where the hell is it posted that Apple had a loss of profit because of Android? Apple is just pulling a **** move, that is all. Android is NOT a threat to iPhone/iPad sales in the least!!!
Read this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
And then this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/
Please educate yourself before you talk out of your ass.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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Lets say that Apple makes it $10 a handset. How much does HTC pay for a WP7 license? I've heard $5-10, that makes it more espensive or equal. But then consider the additional costs: a WP7 license comes with IP protection (HTC is spending a lot of money fighting MS and Apple), then there's QA testing that has to be handled by the OEM, development costs for drivers, and then finally design and development costs for HTC sense. Android itself is free but creating/selling a consumer version of it isn't. Is $10/handset + the additional costs too much? I have no idea but I don't think it helps.
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I think the best response to apple trying to shut down android would be for every android user to file a class action suit against apple to recuperate the money spent on their android phones, I think there would be enough interest to make apple pay attention, maybe just the threat might be enough, who knows....just a thought
Most of us are now aware that the sale of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablets have been blocked in Europe (at least for now) by an injunction in favor of Apple's lawsuit...now it appears they are suing Motorola in Europe as well.
(Source: FOSS)
Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16511779#post16511779
That's why I bought my wife a xoom now.
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>Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
That'd be true in two months, regardless.
>Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation
Honestly, you're ranting. That's fine, if it makes you feel better, although not sure why you should feel worse. It's big companies fighting it out. Let them.
Give the judge the benefit of the doubt for competence. If the suit was frivolous, Apple wouldn't have secured an injunction. Whatever legal merit the suit has, frankly, we don't know. Getting upset about it doesn't make us understand it any better.
I will never ever purchase an apple product ever
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I will never ever purchase an apple product ever
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My rant:
Likewise. I bought the second Gen iPod when they were a decent company. Then they got in their mind that they can take over the world (which they might) but I think that is very indecent to innovation. I have never had such a hatred to one company and always will.
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It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
It's about time Apple tried to sue someone with a strong patent portfolio. As long as Motorola don't roll over, Apple *are* going to get a bloody nose, because suing over patents nowadays seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the merit of your case.
If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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So you're saying is it would be OK to live in a dictatorship country if it was pretty and had good weather?
Sure Apple makes good products, however there are very good if not better alternatives. Apple improves on one product in the market and makes it incredible. Then other companies start making the products better as well and Apple sues them. Happened to mp3 players and iPods, now happening for tablets and iPads. It hurts innovation and I know Google and Microsoft also sue companies but not as much and not as narrow minded/take over the market mentality that Apple has. Now don't get me wrong I have owned Apple before, and yes their products are well made and innovative. But so are a lot of other brands.
But I do agree on the grander scheme of things if we arn't just talking tech toys that yes it is not a good idea to be narrow minded on anything. I believe that's what you were trying to get at.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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You are saying this as if it is a new phenomenon.
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Put simply, it is easier to deal with absolutes and it is easier to convey opinion to others in absolutes.
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It is human nature to ally with a particular group, society, or set of ideals and denigrate the things that differ from the ideal you are allied with. Countries, religions, sports teams, type of car.... the list is as long as there are comparable objects. It is possible for people to see in shades of right rather than absolutes but this provides no stable platform on which to hang a set of beliefs.
- It is far easier to say "Motorola is incompetent and I will never use them again" than it is to say "Motorola made some serious mistakes with the Xoom but they did do some things right."
- It is easier to say "Motorola is out to screw early Xoom adopters." than it is to say "Motorola is not communicating well with early Xoom adopters."
- It is easier to say "thou shall not kill" than it is to say "thou shall not kill unless it is needed to preserve other life"
- It is easier to say "Other religions are wrong" than it is to say "other religions are different."
- and it is easier to say "Apple is evil" than it is to say "Apple's stance on the similarity between the iPad and Xoom is not reasonable."
Absolutes allow a person to place an idea, group, or company into a position within opinion that requires less thought and little debate. This is comforting to most, requires less consideration, and makes life easier to deal with. The more you deal with a specific idea/group/company the more details you learn and the less likely you are to paint your opinion on the subject with such broad strokes. No one wants to try and know everything in such detail however.
So while it would be better if mankind as a whole took an effort to see the merit in differing opinions on subjects, it is not the nature of man. To try and remove the polarizing nature of the psyche would possibly lead to less conflict but it would also to moral and ethical confusion.
There have been and are individuals who have evolved past this need but those individuals are not common, indeed the most notable have been quite extraordinary.
Here is one take on the patent issue that underlies the various recent legal spats. The commentary delves into more detail than the usual regurgitated pap, and the arguments made are reasonable, at least based on the material as presented.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/11/broken-patent-system/
http://www.daniweb.com/hardware-and...obile-devices/news/376718/1621537#post1621537
DaniWeb can reveal exactly what it is that Apple thinks Samsung has copied, and we hope you are sitting down because the actual community design images contained within that certification are basic to say the least.
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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I don't think you need to worry. Get the Xoom for your girlfriend. If you root it (or even if not) you will continue to have plenty of support for your tablet from this community as well as from Google/Moto. I just think that Apple is not allowed to take over the world. We have to take a stand some time, somewhere.
nooomoto said:
It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
okantomi said:
Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
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Totally agree on using better negative terms...I would actually call them "smug and arrogant" more than anything else.
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whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
MitchRapp said:
whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
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That's a pretty extreme statement.
Apple has the best marketing in the tech world. They also have some decent products, with plenty of objective reasons to choose Apple over the alternatives.
However, remember that marketing is simply making people aware of a product and its features.
I find when talking to people that decisions on platform aren't made over which commercial was the coolest, but rather the features and/or familiarity with the brand.
I would argue that very few people are so superficial as to choose a platform based on "hip"-ness.
The real problem here is not Apple. Whatever you think of iOS, they are just a company using every tool at their disposal to succeed. If roles were reversed any company would do the same.
The problem is a hopelessly broken, pitifully antiquated Patent system that allows absurd patents to be approved.
This problem is compounded by the abuse of "patent troll" companies that never developed a technology or released a product, but simply bought patents and create lawsuits.
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