Hi i was wondering if this phone will have Fastboot like the G2 does Thanks
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HTC said it would when they unveiled it, I think they demonstrated it on the desire z so it should be on the HD aswell.
is fast boot related to the processor power or what , and could we get it on our recent android devices
Hopefully, If the Desire Z can do it I'm sure the Desire HD should be able too, especially with the advantage of a faster processor.
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I was just at the launch event, and the host clearly said that it's not shutting down, it's just in a hibernation state. It restarts in about 10 seconds.
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The guy at Giant Robot(one of the htc event hosts) said it has "Solid State Memory", felt like believing it,but i thought it was too good to be true
sr1ks said:
The guy at Giant Robot(one of the htc event hosts) said it has "Solid State Memory", felt like believing it,but i thought it was too good to be true
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I had no idea that smartphones use anything else than solid state memory.
vijay555 said:
I was just at the launch event, and the host clearly said that it's not shutting down, it's just in a hibernation state. It restarts in about 10 seconds.
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that would actually explain it. I can't imagine both devices being able to boot this much faster with essentially the same processor speed as the other phones.
hibernation isn't very useful i think. maybe it will be useful if u turned it off on a plane or something? oh, it might be useful to those who turn off their phone everyday before going to sleep.
i believe it is in the OS along with the processor speed.
but the boot speeds are amazing i believe HCDR.Jacob will be putting it into his ROMS when he figures it out
So this thing actually boots device from 0 to operation? I think it's some sort of hibernation here. No way android with sense could boot so fast.
Yer the phone 'sleeps' when you turn it off...
So if you actually yank the battery out the phone will have to boot as normal. Seems pointless to be honest.
matejdro said:
So this thing actually boots device from 0 to operation? I think it's some sort of hibernation here. No way android with sense could boot so fast.
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yeah i have to agree. But i must admit it is actually a smart implementation. Phones should be doing this.
Clearly it's in sleep or hibernate. It's not like HTC were pitching it any differently explaining how useful it might be when you're on a plane.
I think it's a nice feature and I'd be able to use it pretty well. I won't sigh when I have to turn my phone off for an interview or meeting!
Since changing the actual boot behavior will require a kernel change (which htc or google won't perform) - it is highly likely that this is all about "sleep/hibernation" technique, nothing spectacular.
willk22 said:
So if you actually yank the battery out the phone will have to boot as normal. Seems pointless to be honest.
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I'm not so sure of this.
It might also always keep a fully booted up image, even if you remove the battery.
If it's a "Suspend to Ram" implementation, it's probably gonna need the battery indeed.
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If it's a "Suspend to Ram" implementation, it's probably gonna need the battery indeed.
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Right, but it could be something different. If the bootup image resides in a rom you don't have this problem.
Of course, this is only speculation until we know how they implemented it.
Here's one more video...demonstrating fast boot of Desire HD and its recorded with Desire Z @ 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtCLKANMzI
Related
http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now
As the Gizmodo article says on multitasking:
1. It has the ability.
2. we going to make sure that 3rd parties can bring their value to the user even when the app is not running. Live tiles are an example. Data feeds in the hubs are another example.
Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know. As an example we now know the task manager and as on XP we now the window is back or minimized. On this only the core of the app will be active and will send the data to another UI (Tile) or to the HUB...
How free this will be??? We will see.
But if they limit it and it's not hackable than I will buy an iphone or Go to android...
They can't build a such strict OS when they have all these different HW platforms that need OEM SW on the BKGRD... How they will solve this??? Not to mention Mobile Phone providers...
So i believe we all panicking without a reason. But it's good in case they had Multitasking off... they have time to turn it on after seeing all these...
Didn't they made a survey??? They only asked iphone user's??? tststs
I don't think they want another VISTA on their Hand's...
Ah well, it'll never work properly on our HD's so we will all need new devices for Win7Mob.
Plus apps from WM 6.1 and 6.5 will not work
wont work?
Hi, I dont see any reason why it wont work on our HD's, there may be performance issues but it should work, you underestimate the power of the XDA cook...!
also, Later reports suggest that all apps will be backward compatible albeit with a UI change.
dont rule out win7 yet...!
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Hi, I dont see any reason why it wont work on our HD's, there may be performance issues but it should work, you underestimate the power of the XDA cook...!
also, Later reports suggest that all apps will be backward compatible albeit with a UI change.
dont rule out win7 yet...!
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The HD doesnt have a capacitative screen, required for Win7Mob. Slow cpu, and slow flash ram under minimum spec again.
I'm sure a light version of 7 could be ported, but it would be so slow, there wouldn't be any point in it.
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The HD doesnt have a capacitative screen, required for Win7Mob. Slow cpu, and slow flash ram under minimum spec again.
I'm sure a light version of 7 could be ported, but it would be so slow, there wouldn't be any point in it.
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only time will tell
"Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know."
which sounds very much like notifcations like iphones do which is not really multi-tasking
Rudegar said:
"Which means that the multitasking will be different from what we know."
which sounds very much like notifcations like iphones do which is not really multi-tasking
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Yes, that night be a problem for some people, there may be ways around this though, we'll have to wait and see or stick with 6.5
wp7 impossiple on hd even impossible on hd2
hoss_n2 said:
wp7 impossiple on hd even impossible on hd2
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It's not "impossible" for the HD2, as it's going to be officially released for that phone.
I dunno if you've seen it but it starts in about the time it takes my legend to turn the screen on. Anyhoo
Do we reckon it would be possible to put this kind of thing on other phones (Namely our Legend)? It's called HTC Fast boot; so would it be possible to, when they're released, port the stuff in the ROM that does this? Or not? Or anything even close?
It's very early to tell, but if they'll release to other phones (like Desire) there's a very very good chance it's possible.
For what it's worth I don't think the boot time for our Legends is bad at all. I'm satisfied with it.
Yeah, but faster is (nearly) always better
Watch second video, you can see how fast is boot speed! F*** yeah . This is what we need for legend!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/
qzem said:
Watch second video, you can see how fast is boot speed! F*** yeah . This is what we need for legend!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/
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My only worry is that there's some stuff going on there that's not ROM related. Maybe bootloader tinkering; who knows?
From CoolSmartPhone.com (note the last couple of sentences):
Oh, and that boot time is a whole lot quicker too according to HTC. We did give this a test after being told that the device could turn back on in "less than 10 seconds". We tested it and it actually did it in less than 5 seconds, but it seems that there's some clever "suspend" technology going on when you tell the devices to power off from the GUI as, when we popped the battery out to try a complete "cold boot" it took the normal amount of time. We're guessing that this will still be brilliant though, especially if you've had the phone powered off whilst asleep or during a flight.
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Yea.. I had a feeling that it was likely to be a suspend. This does, however, make it more likely to be ported to other phones...
No. Not. At. All.
owenw said:
No. Not. At. All.
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What's that in reference to?
c_man said:
For what it's worth I don't think the boot time for our Legends is bad at all. I'm satisfied with it.
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For what it's worth, I played on the Desire HD (and Z) last night as I went along to the HTC event. The boot speed IS very impressive, but it's a nice to have, not a "need to have".
Some people were overly impressed with the boot speed, some not impressed at all. Afterall, there is more to a phone that how fast it manages to boot up .
Just saw the videos from the htc desire Z and wow. The main thing I want is that htc fast boot. It literally took the phone 4 seconds to boot up. You think we will ever see the light of day on that for our Evos?
Is that an Evo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Link to vid?
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Yea its the second video they have posted.
Www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/
Is that an Evo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
mmanjj said:
Yea its the second video they have posted.
Www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/
Is that an Evo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
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damn - that is fast. But my takeaway from that vid is the fact that lansdcape sense should now be doable.
Yea. If they can do it for sliders it shouldn't be too hard to do it officially for our phones. Love that boot up speed...
Is that an Evo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
I was more excited about landscape sense. The fastboot is defiantly cool but a feature that isn't too useful since my phone is pretty much always on.
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I was sort of hoping maybe Sprint & HTC would do an update for the EVO . Since we have a kickstand and all.
zone23 said:
I was sort of hoping maybe Sprint & HTC would do an update for the EVO . Since we have a kickstand and all.
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Exactly - Although at this point I'm too attached to launcherpro to go back to sense, the fact that I couldn't use sense in landscape with the kickstand is what pushed me to launcherpro in the first place.
Yeah that fast boot was pretty impressive.
All sorts of HTC love going on today. Wild.
landscape sense ftw
here's hoping they update us (wont be holding my breath)
conqu1stador said:
Yeah that fast boot was pretty impressive.
All sorts of HTC love going on today. Wild.
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I don't have the audio so please correct me if I'm wrong; but to me it looked like they demonstrated the startup time for Sense, not the whole phone. i.e. Android will still take its usual time to start up, it's just the Sense portion of it (the very last part before you see the unlock screen) will be faster. If that's true, overall it will be a marginal improvement.
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I don't have the audio so please correct me if I'm wrong; but to me it looked like they demonstrated the startup time for Sense, not the whole phone. i.e. Android will still take its usual time to start up, it's just the Sense portion of it (the very last part before you see the unlock screen) will be faster. If that's true, overall it will be a marginal improvement.
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HTC GUY: And that's the boot, its ready to use.
Camera Guy: Was that the whole boot
HTC GUY: Yes, we've done a lot to improve boot time etc.
So I'm guessing it is the boot time.
I want landscape sense!!!!!! Now!!!!! Lol... When can I haves it?
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While some have noticed that the "fastboot" was incredibly fast another video showed the phone booting up and taking longer.
Read somewhere, was a couple hours ago, that a reboot was the speedier of the two, not necessarily powering up a cold phone. Is that the case? Maybe I misread, but I forgot where I saw it so I can't really go back and read again ... maybe I missed something. And I probably did, have been drinking.
Pretty impressive I hope this comes to the EVO.
why do you guys want landscape sense? don't see a use for it. But I do like the new status bar and the customization as well.
I would like landscape sense because, if I were to be using a sense ROM, I constantly hold the phone in landscape. So when I go from here to homescreen I have to turn the phone, which is incredibly taxing for me rolleyes and this would solve the issue.
As it stands, have used CM6 damn near the whole time it's been out, but I understand why people want it. A buddy got his new Evo and this was something I noticed. He'd go from portrait to landscape to portrait to landscape and he was like, dude, this is getting old. I had to agree with him. I know the widget solution ... yeah, sure, but it looks awkward.
Ah hope this is released for evo.. looks great.
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This has to be released for the Evo, its HTC sense.. so it should arrive on the incredible too.. if they only choose 1ghz devices. What I'm wondering is how and when will this be implemented.
They're launching htcsense.com next month, maybe this will include updates for in use devices.
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Chyeahhhhhh boy!!!! I definitely cannot wait for this!!!
While I was waiting for the G2 to come out, I watched this video on youtube of the Desire Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6yQQRl6q8
And was disappointed that my G2 does not have that quick rebooting option. I see that one has a modified Android, so is that something the G2 just doesn't have or is it something to enable?
That is a feature of the Sense UI installed on the Desire Z. It's called hibernate. It's not actually the bootup time, just waking from a deep sleep. Like when a laptop dies and boots up again quickly because of hibernation. The actual bootup time will most likely be the sme as the G2 or longer because of the Sense UI
I knew it wasn't a true shut down, just thought it was pretty cool. Oh well lol
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theratdude64 said:
While I was waiting for the G2 to come out, I watched this video on youtube of the Desire Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6yQQRl6q8
And was disappointed that my G2 does not have that quick rebooting option. I see that one has a modified Android, so is that something the G2 just doesn't have or is it something to enable?
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WOW! This would be a nice feature to have, but remember the Desire Z is running the Sense UI, and that maybe a feature exclusive to it. I am sure if someone at TMO or HTC wanted us to have it we would. It just looks like a "sleep" mode, no different than on my laptop. Still cool though...
*SIGH* Bloody Brits get all the cool stuff...
Honestly I wouldn't mind the Sense UI on this, got real used to it after my 3G Slide...
Once we get root, other roms will offer that feature. Cyanogen 6.1 will include that feature on all his roms, eventually the G2 as well, once we get perm root.
Tatdude806 said:
WOW! This would be a nice feature to have, but remember the Desire Z is running the Sense UI, and that maybe a feature exclusive to it. I am sure if someone at TMO or HTC wanted us to have it we would. It just looks like a "sleep" mode, no different than on my laptop. Still cool though...
*SIGH* Bloody Brits get all the cool stuff...
Honestly I wouldn't mind the Sense UI on this, got real used to it after my 3G Slide...
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Call me ignorant....but I can't see myself EVER using this feature. While in hibernation, your phone won't ring, your e-mail notifications won't fire, etc. The phone is off.
Today, when you turn off your display, your phone goes into a power-save mode and consumes less power to stay "on".
Who really shuts down that often to notice 10 seconds vs 60 seconds?
Hi everybody.
A few weeks ago, I finally upgraded from my rooted G1 to a stock Desire Z and I'm really happy about it. I want to wait for the announced official gingerbread by HTC and then decide wether to root or not. Performance is great so far and with no storage problem whatsoever, I don't really miss having root access for now.
I really liked the fast boot technology HTC implemented and have been using it a lot to turn off the device when having meetings and such.
Just recently, it stopped working though. Every boot takes just as long as it would have taken choosing the reboot option before.
I got an update to sense version 1.82.405.1 not long ago and I'm not sure if it has anything to do with that.
Anyone experienced the same? Any tips or comments?
Thanks!
You haven't inadvertently turned off the feature, have you? Its under Settings > Applications > Fast boot.
Haha!
Actually, I was browsing the settings for anything related to my issue. Didn't find anything and never expected it to be under "applications".
My bad, and finally, I can't remember changing it. Could it be, that the standard setting of the new software version changed it to false?
Anyway, thanks four the help and not trolling at me. ;-)
Your welcome. Be sure to click the "Thanks" button on my post!
No idea if the update affected the fastboot setting.
I do not seem to have this option in my Settings/Applications menu. If I am to understand this correctly this lets you basically reboot way faster then the typical reboot command correct? I am running a G2 with Cyanogenmod 7 RC2.
I don't see this either on a stock G2. I am wondering if it is just a Desire Z thing.
Terrier Hockey said:
I don't see this either on a stock G2. I am wondering if it is just a Desire Z thing.
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It's a Sense UI thing (DZ was the first to incorporate it I believe)
omarsalmin said:
It's a Sense UI thing (DZ was the first to incorporate it I believe)
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Thanks now I know why its not in CM 7 lol!
jonm said:
I do not seem to have this option in my Settings/Applications menu. If I am to understand this correctly this lets you basically reboot way faster then the typical reboot command correct? I am running a G2 with Cyanogenmod 7 RC2.
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Yep, it's very similar to having your notebook in sleep mode. I think they dump the whole memory on the phone's flash. So if you start up, it literally takes 3 seconds before you can enter your pin and are ready to go.
I like it because the only reason of not turning off the device before, was that you'd have to wait about a minute to get going again whilst having lost the webpages you had currently opened plus the state of winamp/maps/etc.
I never use the airplane mode in meetings any more. If I can't use the phone anyway, why not turn it off and save battery life?
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It's a Sense UI thing (DZ was the first to incorporate it I believe)
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Exactly. It was a feature introduced with the "new" Sense 2.2 UI on the Desire Z and the Desire HD.
I liked the feature when I was still on the stock DZ ROM, since I travel by air quite a bit, almost always with connecting flights. So I am constantly turning my phone on and off. Too bad CM doesn't have something similar.
Sure would be nice if its in Cyanogen. So many other features. I say a few of us just send a request, like start a thread over there.
Hmm works for me.
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