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Our development team who has been assigned to the vibrant seem to have stalled out on interest in porting CM over to our beloved vibrant. I wonder if Samsung will actually release 2.2 before the developers.
Just curious if anyone knows why its moving along so slowly.
I was really hoping to see more fanfare over the vibrant being such a fabulous piece of hardware.
And with that being said.... those who live to rip someone to shreds for talking such blasphemy.... lemme have it.
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If you offer to bankroll their efforts, they might be able to allocate more of their time to Vibrant development.
It's moving slowly since the Cyan devs are still working on the MT3GS. All the supplies (I think) are in place since Wes (The Cyan developer for this phone) got a phone to work on.
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I am just being patient and know that it will be all worth it when it does eventually gets ported over.
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Our development team who has been assigned to the vibrant seem to have stalled out on interest in porting CM over to our beloved vibrant. I wonder if Samsung will actually release 2.2 before the developers.
Just curious if anyone knows why its moving along so slowly.
I was really hoping to see more fanfare over the vibrant being such a fabulous piece of hardware.
And with that being said.... those who live to rip someone to shreds for talking such blasphemy.... lemme have it.
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Samsung said "End of September" which really mean "at the earliest." I have little doubt the CM6 team will have a ROM out long before then.
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It's moving slowly since the Cyan devs are still working on the MT3GS. All the supplies (I think) are in place since Wes (The Cyan developer for this phone) got a phone to work on.
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^^ this is correct, once the slide is done we should see some progress :]
in all honesty, if i was them i would wait. Do all the prep work that is necessary and just wait for Samsung to release the 2.2 source to mod from, it would make it that much easier and more compatible.
I say that fully expecting Samsung not to change anything and that means leaving root/clockwork being super easy to implement. Now should that change, then the prep work is done, just have to get cooking
Wes is a fabulous dev. (kicked him some funds back in the G1 dev days.
I think he should toss that slide to the. Curb and work on a real phone.
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18.4009 said:
Wes is a fabulous dev. (kicked him some funds back in the G1 dev days.
I think he should toss that slide to the. Curb and work on a real phone.
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Plus one on this. The phones got awesome specs to work with. I wish I knew how..lol but ill still try and be patient ...
I could have sworn the evo had roms after a month.. were no where near close to that time frame....
I still don't think Wes should of called that if he got extra donation money for his "laptop" he would purchase a Vibrant and dev for it if he wasn't going to be doing it right away. Since that did kind of help people who has a Vibrant donate for his laptop. I'm glad that there are other talents out there coming into the Vibrant community though.
Saw bbuchacher, justanotherdev, eugene coming along. Hopefully everything will fall into pieces in the upcoming month. And yeah I don't even think myTouch Slide is even popular at all, so iono. Not trying to be impatient or "cry" about it but just speaking justification point of view. Just my 2 cents.
I think most of you guys need to just chill out. Im no where close to being a dev and almost every mod I did on my G1 i've flashed, if you're in the same boat, then definitely need to stop questioning developemnt. If you read closer, or really followed the updates from the other threads, devs and twitter updates you'd see that there is more going on.
Now I can be completely wrong with this, but here is what im getting out of what the current status of Vibrant development is:
-The MTS is currently "first in line" to be caught up to CM6
-The MTS was/is having problems running CM6 being "stable", even with the phone still being manufactured by HTC and Cyanogen working along with side with the devs assigned to it
-Eugene, JAC and others have started to breakdown and develop the Vibrant
-JAC has been asked to merge his work to Github....
Make your conclusions... Donate... Start deving... Shut up... Remember no dev owes you anything.
EDIT: Donation- an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution... usually not tied to any personal gain.
I keep seeing the "Don't worry when CM6 hits it will be amazing. Don't worry when CM6 comes it will fix the problem."
HTC and Samsung are very different animals. Devs have come and gone as well.
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HTC
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You tell me why its going to take so long or be a bit slower? It takes time and there simply has to be a lot of interest from the dev and the users.
I'm just kicking back watching and hoping for the best.
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I still don't think Wes should of called that if he got extra donation money for his "laptop" he would purchase a Vibrant and dev for it if he wasn't going to be doing it right away. Since that did kind of help people who has a Vibrant donate for his laptop. I'm glad that there are other talents out there coming into the Vibrant community though.
Saw bbuchacher, justanotherdev, eugene coming along. Hopefully everything will fall into pieces in the upcoming month. And yeah I don't even think myTouch Slide is even popular at all, so iono. Not trying to be impatient or "cry" about it but just speaking justification point of view. Just my 2 cents.
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Last time I checked his Twitter, Dell is taking forever to get his laptop to him as he did some customization to the configuration... Dell took over a month to get my mom her laptop when she changed a few options.
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Last time I checked his Twitter, Dell is taking forever to get his laptop to him as he did some customization to the configuration... Dell took over a month to get my mom her laptop when she changed a few options.
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Took me over 2 months for Dell to build a laptop actually, I'm never buying from Dell again.
Still saying, there was a forum thread on the Development forum saying to donate to Wes to get the Vibrant and all that. Kind of a deceiving, im not impatient whatsoever.
Wes still has access to a computer, I believe and is coding for the Slide so it's not like he doesn't have a computer.
I understand that it would look bad on his part if he bailed on the Slide like that. There could of been better outcomes if a developer who was primarily dedicated to porting CM6 to the Vibrant from the very beginning rather than as a secondary objective.
wesgarner and Scepterr are the developers assigned to the Samsung Galaxy S.
I just donated $25. Donate and lets get this phone off the ground.
Thanks for the donations Wes has his Vibrant coming and soon his laptop. Great Job!!
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I understand that it would look bad on his part if he bailed on the Slide like that. There could of been better outcomes if a developer who was primarily dedicated to porting CM6 to the Vibrant from the very beginning rather than as a secondary objective.
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There are a few already in the development forum. Not sure if any of them are "Teamdouche" but none the less they are devs. JAC already said "I'll be moving my stuff to Github upon request" and "As long as I'm credited for my work you can use it."
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
what a bunch of cry babies don't worry the Vibrant's turn will come, its definitely a good platform worth doing **** to, a few little things here and there are messed up with the phone but its nothing that hasn't already been addressed.
just be patient, you have to remember that its not like it used to be. Its not just the G1 anymore its a **** load of Android phones with their own issues and with a bunch of cry baby owners just like you lol
the day XDA goes away is the day all of you guys will pull all your hair out. the phones been out for a couple weeks and to be honest i dont think the Galaxy S line sold as well as a lot of other high end devices (EVO,Droid X) so of course devs are gonna go where the masses are.
You think we have it bad? go look at the Captivate section of XDA, they dont have ****, no cases, no roms and out of the Galaxy S line we actually have a decent amount of little morphs and fixes to get us by for now. Be patient dont give up
if you built it they will come
we'l c wut happens lol
I am by no means complaining and am not at all a developer. just a happy android user and rom flasher I just came from MT3G.
I know the Vibrant is new, but with a Galaxy being released on all 4 major carriers, I am honestly surprised a bunch of developers have not jumped all over the Vibrant and Captivate that are out with the 2 others expected soon...I mean this is basically the first time that I know of that virtually the same phone is being released on all 4 US carriers! it seems like a developers dream. are the US galaxy's just still too new?
Going along with that, when Dev start making Roms for US Galaxys, will basically all the same Roms easily run on all 4 US Galaxy variants? basically will they just need some very minor tweaking bc the same hardware? (except for qwerty version)? or will there have to be major modding with the same rom between the different US variants? (if very little tweaking is needed, that is why it seems to me that the US galaxy S versions would be so appealing to dev's)
Lastly, even though ive not rooted mine yet, (mt3g was rooted for the past year), I am looking forward to CM6 like everyone else. But it seems thats mostly what I have seen talked about is CM6. no doubt that the CM team are at the top of the game, but what about developers bringing other Roms too, for example Sense? I am just wondering why most seem to just talk about wanting CM6 when there are tons of other developers and other Roms (coming from my experience with g1/mt3g)?
I know this was a long post, but these topics have been on my mind lately. what do you guys think to any of my thoughts/questions posted above?
The phones haven't even been out a month, give it time. They're drastically different from the HTC setup that most devs are used to, so there is a steep learning curve that needs to be tackled. Also the devs have more then one phone on their plate. They should focus on what they started first before taking on another project, so I expect them to get the slide where it needs to be before starting on the galaxy s.
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Guys, we have a custom kernel. That was a huge step. There is significant progress here. JACs kernel is on rev2. We have other good devs outside of the main CM team looking at things as well. Give them some time, this is a whole new way of doing things, they are having to learn how Samsung does stuff. I honestly think we will see a custom AOSP 2.2 before Samsung releases their custom one.
So I was browsing the forums yesterday eating leftover christmas food. I literally spent some time on diff development sections and noticed the EVO has an AMAZING community. I am an epic 4g owner and can't help but admire the amount of development, the bountys to get certain feautures and roms going.
There are also many other popular devices like the i9000, nexus one, g2. MY question is, what is the most popular phone with the most active DEVELOPMENT on XDA? Is it EVO? NEXUS? Who is the king of the hill?
Also, what phone is the successor in terms of development is it nexus s?g2?
the evo has a pretty deep community, in my opinion one of the best, i would also say that the motorola phones have good support and both nexus phones will continue to have very strong support. You can't go wrong with an evo in terms of the community and yes i have heard the epic has very scarce pickings
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So I was browsing the forums yesterday eating leftover christmas food. I literally spent some time on diff development sections and noticed the EVO has an AMAZING community. I am an epic 4g owner and can't help but admire the amount of development, the bountys to get certain feautures and roms going.
There are also many other popular devices like the i9000, nexus one, g2. MY question is, what is the most popular phone with the most active DEVELOPMENT on XDA? Is it EVO? NEXUS? Who is the king of the hill?
Also, what phone is the successor in terms of development is it nexus s?g2?
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Go check out the CDMA hero. It still has an incredible amount of dev support for being a "legacy" device. I chose the Evo over the epic essentially for the community here. I had a couple of bad experiences over in the epic subforum and decided that was enough.
I own an EVO 4g, and I absolutely love it, I never turn off my phone, has long lasting batteries, and fosure runs great with the custom ROMs and kernels we have here from XDA.
If you get an EVO, make sure your absolutely setting time aside for your new EVO as it can be devastating not to correctly root your EVO the right way. Good luck.
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I own an EVO 4g, and I absolutely love it, I never turn off my phone, has long lasting batteries, and fosure runs great with the custom ROMs and kernels we have here from XDA.
If you get an EVO, make sure your absolutely setting time aside for your new EVO as it can be devastating not to correctly root your EVO the right way. Good luck.
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Yea, I really want to be on a device that people actually care about not just having the best hardware
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i can't speak for any other phones in regards to that, but i can tell you the evo has that, plus some trolls thrown in for good measure. you know you have arrived when you get trolls
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Yea, I really want to be on a device that people actually care about not just having the best hardware
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king is a strong word, but I think its one of the more preferred android devices just because of the potential power it has with the hardware, also it has a very strong community backing both on xda and devs websites. Not to mention the sprint network was rated #2 with consumer reports even beating out Verizon in some aspects. I know when the time comes to choose a new phone I want to make sure cyanogen has roms for it because I love CM!!!
To answer your question, I'd say it's fairly tied up between the EVO and Nexus One... Maybe even the Droid coming in a close third place.
I had an Epic 4G, I was impatient and went out and bought one the day they came out....ANYWAY....I then took my Epic back because it was a lemon....I had the Hero before my Epic and I knew the community was awesome for HTC Devices and I remember using Flipz ROM's on my Hero and remembered he went to the Evo so I returned my Epic, much to the dismay and whining of the Radioshack employees. I then went to a Sprint store a week later and got luck they had an Evo. I havent looked back since!
Having been new to android, at the time of puchase of my Evo, I feel lucky to have chosen a device that has garnered such significant support n the development community. I got my Evo on day one solely on the fact that I knew this would be the best phone ever to touch the sprint network. With all the benifits of the Epic (hummingbird, amoled, & cam), having the likes of toast, cyanogen, caulkin, flip, myn, netchry, shinzul and all the other devs responsible for the awesome romz, kernals and themes make the Evo (and other similarly supported devices) king in the mobile world. I will base all my future mobile device purchases (phones & tablets) on whether they have similar support. I'd suggest everyone else do the same!
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Despite the technological advances of other devices....there has yet to be a device that has 4G, HDMI, a 4.3in screen, a large dev community, front facing cam, 720p recording, kickstand and the great build quality that the Evo has....so in my opinion yes the evo is still king...android 2.3 means nothing when u have devs that can port it over in a matter of hours....
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These are all of the reasons that Im looking forward to getting rid of my galaxy s and grabbing an evo.
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These are all of the reasons that Im looking forward to getting rid of my galaxy s and grabbing an evo.
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Really? With the Nexus S coming up, the Galaxy S devices should be getting more dev work.
And I wish I could go to a Galaxy S phone. lol. I don't like the Evo's GPU.
True can't change that however there is a great community and some pretty sweet software to run on her though
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Really? With the Nexus S coming up, the Galaxy S devices should be getting more dev work.
And I wish I could go to a Galaxy S phone. lol. I don't like the Evo's GPU.
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I got a hold of a Nexus One about a week and a half ago. After messing around with it on XDA, if we're talking about the depth and especially quality of community support, the Nexus One wins.
Phone-wise the EVO would be the best if device IMO if not for the GPU weakness. All the features in the world just doesn't make up for something that's now so crucial for a smart phone. The EVO just came out at a bad time -- right at the end of the first gen Snapdragon. That's my own view, you might disagree so leave it at that.
I've just rooted my phone and had it since launch day. The Evo was running stock for 5 months and was getting bored w/ it. I was extremely intimidated of rooting till I found unrevoked 3. Thanks to the xda community, I've become infatuated w/ this phone and I'm constantly flashing it
I Just got my Evo this Christams eve. I used to be pretty deep into the Hero communty and was loving their roms and kernals (much respect to deca and darch). After moving to the Evo its almost overwhelming to see the size of the dev community here, and this is just one site! And yeah I understand that the only real weakness is the GPU buy Ive always known that the first gen snapdragons can still hold their own even today.
To be honest the only things I have trouble with is deciding whether or not to use my rubber case that I got with it. I want to protect it but I love the build quality of this device.
The Evo 4g will run strong as one of the top three Android phones for a least another 6 months. Thats almost certain.
I just got my evo four days ago and I am in heaven. I actualy made the jump to android using the samsung moment. I hated the device but loved android. So then I went back to my tp2. I have always loved my htc devices I have had in the past so when I found out target had the evos for 99 dollars last week I put my moment up on craigslist for 100 and sold it that afternoon. Went straight to target. I think after 4 days I am ready to root now.
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I'm an epic user former hero user. I will say the epic is a beautiful phone with awesome hardware. The specs are definitely above what the evo has to offer but I enjoy trying different roms, talking with the community and just doing thing to improve my phones and the epic doesn't have that. The epic community also isn't as nice and helpful as the HTC community is, not even close. So in saying that I am actually going to be trading my Epic with a friend that has an Evo. I'm sure I will miss somethings about the Epic but I won't miss Samsung jerking us on updates and the just plain nasty demeanor of the Epic community folks.
Only a matter of time before the Nexus S takes over in dev. support. =(
in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.
I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings
I was just reading up on the villain rom team and low and behold, it would seem nprussell is about to start work full time for samsung http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/content.php?267-VillainROM-Monthly-Update
Down near the bottom he mentions some work he is doing on the sgs and the other family members. Maybe samsung has really seen the power of good xda devs?
Good news, hope SGS and SGS2 owners benefit from this
Samsung really needs a good themer (not me)
And voodoo sound improvements
The problems with this, that devs still have to jump as samsung tells them, and it might not be different at all.
If I were that developer, I would certainly set some conditions to make samsung firmwares genuinely better.
I don't get why this doesn't happen more often; there's a lot of talent lurking around these forums, not to mention a genuine interest in making our phones better. Supercurio(seriously why hasn't he been hired yet?), Darky, Doc and the whole CM7 team would all deserve getting a decent payment for what they do.
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The problems with this, that devs still have to jump as samsung tells them, and it might not be different at all.
If I were that developer, I would certainly set some conditions to make samsung firmwares genuinely better.
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right. samsung may just make them work on the galaxy s3 or something. who's to say they will be working on the sgs at all?
also working for a "boss" or company per say, is not as much fun as working on your own.
you have to follow all kind of boring rules, and you don't really get to do all the stuff that you want to it.
when you work on your own, you have total free control of the development
of course... the big difference is one gets you paid meanwhile doing what you like, and the other you don't get paid at all, and if lucky you might receive some donations
I would have to agree about working for a boss being a drag and all...... but as far as working on the newer versions of SGS, he says he's already worked on a recently published rom.... att update maybe? And is promising custom roms based on future work. Smells of gingerbread to me
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
Sent from Vibrant with CM7.
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
eminembdg said:
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.
Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.
Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.
Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
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Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.
While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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