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As all of you, I've been with pocket pc since my hp 1945. Back then ppc was the most advance mobile os out there. I dreamed of a time they would converge this device with a phone to make the worlds greatest all in one. Then it came , the device that started my addiction with windows mobile phone, the imate jAm. From then on it was an exciting journey as I bought new phones when they cAme out. Each one better than the last and more stable. This journey climaxed when I bought my best pocket pc phone ever.. The htc advAntage. I loved that thing. Huge screen graphic processor, fast CPU , 8 gb HD . But alas my advantage was dropped one too mAny times so it was sold. Not wNting to get the same phone twice I purchased the AT&T tilt, then the xperia. Now for the point of my post. Since the begining to about when the first iPhone 3g came out I'd sAy ppc was very much better than the rest. Now after playing with the 3gs iPhone I can see with this device ppc is now in the dust. It does most things our ppc can do , but most of all more and more developers r writing awesome apps for this device. And because it's made by one company and also very popular there are tons of accessories for it. I mean there were times like with my advantage that I couldn't even get a proper case for it. As for os iPhone is wAaY more stAble, windowS is taking too long. They started this race but R finishing up last with their shotty work and programming. I meaN the only reSon I buy htc products is becUse of this awesome site. That's pretty sad when ur only selling point is a site that has no affilation with u but make ur buggy product useable. So with this post I sAy farewell ppc thank you all the chiefs that made All those custome Roms I've used over the past ten years. I've jumped ship and have bought a 3gs.
Ps xperia was the straw that broke the camels back. Worst ppc phone ever. From case problem to shotty os
Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
You could summarise the OP into one sentence.
"The iPhone has a swish GUI and is better supported for apps than the Xperia, so I'm getting one."
My response would be,
"I prefer my device to have a keyboard, and while the Xperia isn't perfect, it has a spreadsheet app out of the box... for free."
It is not our fault that you cannot configure your device properly. Feel free to buy a featurephone like the iPhail. It is simple, not functional and has crappy hardware and software.
WinMo is for tech savvy people who understand modern tech. iCrap is for the ones who want everything configured and controlled for them. The latter will fall behind modern society, because of lack of understanding how things work.
Read this and pay special attention to the links haha:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529998
Let's not be Haters
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
Have fun with your iPhone 3GS - seriously No bad feelings here (why shouldn't there be any lol ).
However, I think you made 2 mistakes here. The first one, was getting an Xperia in the first place. If you now can live without the full qwerty keyboard, you should have gotten a Touch HD. Thats more of a competitor to the iPhone than the Xperia.
The second mistake: You switched when the WM platform finally has come to a point, where almost all new devices feature a WVGA screen, which means, that developers will have less problems to build apps AND WM 6.5 with its marketplace is standing right on the doorstep. The other thing here is, that Microsoft won't be that fussy when it comes to authorising apps to the marketplace.
I personally am not going to jump ship to the iPhone. I'm satisfied with the Xperia, but am really pissed with the problems of the WM ecosystem. No one stop shopping for apps. No music or app downloads straight to the phone (that Handango InHand app was crap!). And, come on guys, customizing a phone and voiding the warranty IS NOT A FEATURE!
I am not even interested in the X2. Hardware alone isn't going to convince me to buy a new phone. It has to have a great ecosystem and UI...period. I'm guessing X3 with WM7 would be my next phone, but if it's crap, then I'm jumping ship to something better (even iPhone 4). My next phone is going to have a really well-designed and clever OS on top of superior hardware. Features should not be half-assed but properly integrated into the whole phone. Good example is Copy and Paste. Many complaints the iPhone didn't have it, but now it's got it and it is very well implemented. Apple didn't just throw some bull**** into their phone to make the feature list longer. My next mobile OS will have to be designed with that same mentality and attention to user-experience.
I'll stick with my X1 for another generation, but next generation, the company with the best designed OS and ecosystem will get my business.
Besides the question if the iPhone is the better phone (Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me, the iPhone is definetely lacking some things) i really have to say that somehow i get the impression, that WinMO got stuck.
A few years back, it was the ultimate OS for powerful PPC and later PPCPhones, but that was because it was the only real one. Microsoft just sat back and sold and sold without improving. I mean even the devices 5 years back already had 400 MhZ and were as fast as todays devices and if you take a look at Windows Mobile 2003 SE and Windows Mobile 6.1 you can't see significant changes at first glance. I've had many WinMo Phones throughout the years and i will stick with it for now, because I love Windwos Mobile and all the functionality that comes along with it and appart from a keyboard i am still missing some other things with other phones like the iPhone, but i guess, if Microsoft does not realize that the Phone OS Market is now an open and very competitive one and does not improve their OS within the next year (Speed is a great factor, other OS are way faster) more and more people will come to the point where WinMo is no longer the OS of choice. As for myself, more and more things that "disgusted" me with the first iphone, get lost more and more, as apple improves the whole package. Alright, an iPhone with Keyboard is way off for now, but who knows
Just my two cents =)
If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
I think the X1 is really good, it's the best WinMo device i've ever had. There is no real comparable device out there regarding the Hardware.
But right now it looks like this is the climax of Windows Mobile and if this stays like that till the next time i have to get a new device i will be looking seriously into other Phones, because my love to WinMo is not unconditionally, they really need to do something
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
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Word! **** the iPhone.
WinMo and X1 is good enough that I'll wait for WM7 to give it a chance (and I'll put the OFFICIAL WM6.5 on my X1). But after that, I'll have to jump ship to a/the keyboard iPhone or something else if Microsoft and SE doesn't get it's s**t together by next generation of phones (The X3).
I have to agree. I updated my X1 using the SE update service to R3A and now get regular crashes. I'm trying to find away to roll back but not having any luck. As mentioned before, cooking your ROM is all well and good to improve your phone, but it voids your warranty and shouldn't be needed. Lazysoft should start investing some of their vast mountain of money into programmers who can produce a stable, fast and easily customizable OS. As Apple slowly realise their mistakes with the iPhone and introduce firmware upgrades to compensate WM is going nowhere and offering nothing new or improved. As soon as iPhone is capable of everything other phones are, it's game over for WM.
I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
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Keyboard will not be a substitute for all the features it lacks.
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The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
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Agreed, but not 100%. Function beats aesthetics any day. WinMo has cool looking apps as well.
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I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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I thought the same thing. Maybe a Mod can drop by and tell us if we are right?
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If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
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I had an iFail for a month (back in the 2G when you could jailbreak without contract)
I am happy I don't have it any more
Crappy keyboard, with only qwerty, no 3rd party keyboard support, apps were alright, nothing incredible, no real bluetooth (A2DP, tethering etc) and no hardware keyboard, hardware was mediocre at best and the camera sucked
Took them 2 years to sort out some of those issues, hardware/camera still suck and the apps.....lets just say I wouldn't take a lot of them if you paid me, not to mention being forced to use iTuneDeaf, I'll stick to my media players that support OGG thanks.
I am quite impressed with the iPhone 3GS, I do not understand how they can make the MP3 player so remarkably fast compared to any windows mobile mp3 program + phone. I know capacitive screen takes away the need to apply pressure but the iPhone OS looks as if it takes alot of processing power and yet 600 Megahertz is almost the same as 528 and yet iphone is blazing fast.
The same also applies to the Ipod Touch which has a 400 mhz processor.
I am just so discontented that the iPhone os is not good for automated apps and modification apps. If it had those features + a true file system than I would consider.
This is the reason why all iphones and ipod touch have mostly games and games and games, because it can only support certain types of foreground apps (since the Mac OS isn't designed for background apps)
I pity all the iDiots......
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/video-iphone-copy-and-paste-is-a-pretty-incredible-thing-sur/
Hello all, please excuse the ignorance of this post. I have been an Iphone user from day one of the 2g Iphone, currently having a 3g one. Getting a little tired of the Iphone, and have tried Win Mo on a Touch Diamond (dont hate me but I wasnt a fan of the OS). I have been looking at the vids of Hero on www.coolsmartphone.com, and starting to become quite taken. Was just curious if anyone out there is an Iphone user switching to Android OS, in particular the Hero. Really just looking for some opinions, and I am not trying to start an Iphone haters thread, just looking for some advice.
Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
Cheers for the quick reply, still undecided.
I'm not quite an iPhone user, just an iPod touch. All I can really say is that the iPhone has a lot of great apps, browsing and calendar is great, as well as other features. I've never owned an Android device but I'm looking at the Hero too and like how customizable it is. I guess I just want to try something different.
I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
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Free app, tasKiller - works great for shutting down running apps, just put an icon on your homescreen and 2 taps is all it takes.
I was suffering major app slowdown before installing this, sometimes multiple instances of the same app were running and slowing things down, this app is a god send!
Thanks. I figured there would be something like that - my comments were more in reference to the iPhone v Android discussion.
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I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I will agree with some of your points othese I wont.
I find that andriod is more asthetically pleasing than the iPhone and when you state that the poster would think "the iphone did this" they will also think wow my iphone didnt do this...
To the original poster, why dont you take a trip to t-mobile and try their phone before you buy, only you will know what you prefer.
I used to be an iphone user and hated it after about a week, the main issue for me seemed to be multitasking, amazing how much I use that.
Anyways just my opinion, each to their own, but dont discard the Hero nor should you leap into buying one, read, read, read and try in store.
Certainly, do not discount the Hero, it is a beautiful piece of tech.
If it helps you any, I kept my Hero for 3 days, then returned to the Kaiser. I have sent the Hero back.
Now, is the Kaiser better? As a tech experience, NOT a chance, the Hero is much better. As a functional tool, the Kaiser is more (for me).
Example, it syncs locally, completely flawlessly. The Satnav apps on it are mature and established, if truth also be told, I found an onscreen keyboard not a patch on a hardware one. These are key reasons I need my phone.
Will I go back to Hero? I would have thought very likely. It needs to mature a little, then I will be back in. I will still miss the hardware keyboard though. Pressing a screen is not a patch on pressing buttons. But as an iphone user, that will not be any issue for you.
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I predict you will very quickly long for where you once were and end up with another iphone. Sure of it.
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Hahahaha. Whenever i see somone with an Iphone its like Whatever. Its like so not 2009. It just got old for me. I sold my Magic to get a Htc Hero:
I had a G1, sold it to my friend from work, bought a Magic, played with it for 1-2 weeks. Sold it and now im getting a Hero soon!
Hi,
This thread is to provide comparison and feedback exclusively from those that have both an iPhone 3G or later and an HD2, as is my case.
So here's my first go at comparing a 3G vs. HD2:
First and foremost: Handability and visual - which one is really usable
HD2 of course has a bigger screen, easier to read for those over 40 and more fancy, more show-off than a 3G, however:
- 3G easier to hold in the hand
- 3G can be operated one-handed. nearly impossible with HD2 due to its size
- HD2 easier to drop on the floor - it's not very handy, even for big hands
- Lets face it: Apple User interface is light-years ahead. 3G has an A LOT more intuitive, and more ergonomic user interface compared to the HD2: just compare how SMS threads are managed on the iPhone compared to the 3G - despite WM65, HD2 is pre-historic compared to the iphone. Same for email, browsing, ....
- The 3G touchscreen has a more responsive screen. On the HD2 sometimes you have to repeat swipe, pinch. Never happens on the 3G. The HD2 screen is nice and big, but close to the boarders, so you get many unwanted keypresses depending on how you hold it. Pinch zoom not native to WM65. Look at how iPhone handles the internet browser and compare with Explorer and Opera on the HD2 -WM65 is lagging behind the iPhone. (You do get pinch zoom on video in HD2, but who really needs that?)
- what about copy and paste on HD2? Pre-historic and not finger-friendly on WM65 - check out the cool new copy-paste feature on the iPhone latest firmware.
- HD2 keypad impossible to type with - I get one error per word; Apple 3G since the 3.1 firmware is more usable (try turning of the click sound - you will be surprised how fast you can go without error)
- in car handling while driving - you have to really pull over with the HD2, where the iPhone only requires a swipe and a keypress.
Conclusion: clear win to Apple on ergonomics and usability. WM65 suffers from its heritage. Unless MS decides to develope a new mobile OS from scratch, the game is lost against Apple. And there's a lot more non-tech people buying smartphones than there are WM geeks. MS - wake up !!!
Next, what you can do with it: the apps: the app store speaks for itself
Ever since I bought the HD2 3 weeks ago, the number of available apps in MS marketplace has not changed: a total of 60 apps only (!!!!!!!!!!) - compared to how many tens of thousands for the iPhone (!!!!!!!!!) including superbe games that beat a Nintendo DS. On WM65, there's nearly nothing. Now that I realized this after buying the HD2, I would not have bought it in the first place, because in the end, that is what counts for a smart phone. What good is a smart phone if you have no apps to do anything with it, no matter how great the smartphone looks? Here again, MS beware and wake up !!!
Proprietary vs. open platform: who's really open and who is not?
The long standing critique on the iPhone is that it was a closed, proprietary platform compared to WM65. Well, given the app note above, think twice. Even without jailbraking the iPhone you get a lot better than what you get for an "open" WM65 machine. And if you can't withhold tweaking everything, you can also jailbrake an iPhone and tweak everything on it. No advantage to WM65
Comms
HD2 a lot better. For instance when listening to streaming radio, the iPhone often disconnects / interrupts in the car when reception is more difficult, where the HD2 keeps on reception without interruption on the same route.
GPS functionality
Clear win to HD2, despite using an inferior non-SirfIII GPS chip I believe from Qualcomm. The iPhone GPS in contrast is the worst of the worst of all on the market. I mean even my old HTC P3600 without any quickgps works a lot better than an iPhone. For some reason on the iPhone the position is always wrong, the signal lost every 20 seconds, ....
That said, the HD2 is only good as long as there's Agps available. Traveling to a different country, you lose the AGPS advantage. In place, you will discover the joy of 2minute warm fix times, when you need the quick fix the most (note my official ROM does not have the Quickgps). I never understood why HTC dropped the Sirf III chip after the P3300 model, replacing with the inferior qualcomm chips. If anyone from HTC is reading this: do you know a Sirf IV is out, its cheap, consumes less power, small, and a lot quicker / precise than anything else available for civil use?
Now the GPS apps: None available on MS Marketplace so far. That said the GPS apps are generally better on WM65 - richer functionality (you can add your own POI and have POI warning when approaching) which is not possible on the iPhone.
Other technical and other features
Battery not exchangable in iPHone? who cares? I've had an iPhone for more than a year, using and charging every single day. Performance has not been impacted to date. the HD2 has the same battery charge life approximately as an iPhone
Memory: HD2 only comes with a 2G micro SD card. You need to put another 100 EUR for a 32G micro SD on the table to match iPhone's 32G.
Periferilia:
Did you notice since several months in the electronics and mobile phone stores, all of the periferilia was replaced and more than 90% of it today is exclusive to the iPhone. If you chose something else, tough luck - a lot less chargers, cases, screen protectors, etc. Everything in the shop today is for the iPhone.
My conclusion:
First and formost: the HD2 is a lot better than all other WM65 smart phones.
But, despite that I only have the 3G, not the newer iPhones, and the 3G has a slow processor, I feel the iPhone usability and app availability makes up for some of it. HD2 is a lot faster, and in the end WM65 is good for the disguised computer scientists and geeks like me. But anyone non-computer or IT savvy will feel a lot more comfortable with the iPhone- this is not against HTC, it's the OS the machine runs, WM65 that is at fault, and furthermore, there are currently really very few Apps for the HD2 where you have 10 of thousands for the iphone. The size of the screen, the processor speed, the show-off effect surpasses the iPhone, but app availablity and usability is lagging behind.
Would be interested in your thoughts
[NEW] Camera: HD2 is a lot better than iPhone, and the video is better than my old camcorder
I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.
Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.
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Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.
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ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.
I'd agree with most of what you've written. I also own both the iPhone (3GS) and, now, the HD2.
Loving the screen size on the HD2, but comparing it to the iPhone in almost EVERY other respect, it falls short.
I'm persevering with the HD2 though, as I wanted a change from the iPhone for a while.
But deep down, I'm 99% certain I'll be selling the HD2 long before I think about leaving the iPhone.
The iPhone is so easy to use. The keyboard is a million miles ahead of any other virtual keyboard. The media interface is better than any other I've seen. Battery life is better on my iPhone than on my HD2 (although the HD2 is better than it was). Apps availability is a big plus, even though so many are pointless. I've never liked anything Apple before, but the iPhone is still the phone to beat.
If it wasn't, the media wouldn't still be searching for the "iPhone killer" would they?
I do like my HD2, but realistically, it's not even close to matching my iPhone for everything that I want from a handset.
I never used an iphone, and I don't intend too.
But reading you 90% of your post, you seem totally biased
Really cheap flamewar bait ..
I believe the competition have caught up with Iphone, and for me personally, the only thing that is awesome with iphone is itunes store.
I prefer my HD2 to my old Iphone 3GS any day...not sure what i will say when they bring a new one out though!
Well I had to purchase my HD2 because orange don't yet stock it in the UK but they offered me the Iphone so I borrowed my sisters 3GS for a while and decided against it I think it boils down to what you are used to I already have lots of WM apps which work well there are lots to chose from on WM. You already mention GPS The HD2 is awsome with this a major reason I bought it.
I found the screen much more responsive on the HD2 than on the Iphone where you have to tap things twice sometimes to get them going.
I actually would have prefered the HD2 to be the Iphones size, but there is not that much difference and when you get used to the size other screens seem tiny in comparison.
I found the Iphone interface very boring to use there is no homescreen as such just a grid of apps, there is much more info on the Windows mobile homescreen.Both on Titanium and HTC sense.
I dont know what you mean by dropping the phone both can be dropped.
The camera is better on the HD2 and it has a flash (even taking into account the pink blob)
Another plus was XDA developers and the choice of what you can do with your phone regards cooking different roms. You are basically stuck with the Iphone as is,I probably would have got bored with it very quickly.
I would agree the Iphone is a very good phone especially good for gamers and music fans, etc and has a very slick flowing interface, I would consider the HD2 as a good alternative with a lot of potential for further improvements.
I was tempted by the darkside and I hate it. 3GS going on ebay and im returning to WM, with the HD2 cap in hand.
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ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.
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I sold my iphone 3GS to fund my Hd2 purchase - no guesses about what position I have on this post - which btw is like the millionth one here in Leo section. Don't miss it one single bit and love my HD2 to bits - everyone has they're personal view....
ITunes and the usual apple - "you will do it this way or else" attitude to the OS are the only things I'm going to say. Stick to the general consumer products fella
You now comparing old Iphone hardware with old Windows Mobile. Boh will be updated in the next 6 months. In my opinion the batlle then really begins.
Biglia05 said:
I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.
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WM 6.5 was never meant to be earth shattering but a stepping stone to WM 7. I believe this is MS last chance of redemption as they have lost ground for over a decade. Standing by for the real difference of WM7 ! IT's COMING !! Good luck MS! However from a hardware perspective, HD2 Kicks Ass !!
granted for a long time the ifun was tied into an exclusive deal with o2 but that never,imho,excused the exorbitant tarifs that were charged for it then or since and as such I'm proud to say I've given it a wide berth (appart from prodding someone else's just to see what all the fuss was about) and at the end of the day the question you have to ask yourself is: "did you ever see anyone drooling over an iphone?" the first purchase I'll make for a HD2 when I get mine is a wetsuit for it!
Hi the-uki,
I see many of your points, but please tell me:
Why are you looking for WM-Apps only in this crappy shop??? Why are you not a bit more autonomous to find the thousands and thousands WM-Apps in the www by yourself, without the helping of an app-store? I think we are all old enough to help ourselves, so this is not a negative aspect you know
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LOL - I read these threads with interest..
I've never owned an iPhone of any kind, probably one of the very few tech gadgets out that I didn't convince myself I needed in my life. Have always been a Nokia phone man and Windows Mobile PDA man, then as of the last few years have been just about coping with a single device running WM6.1 (Diamond) and now 6.5 with the HD2.
I think WM comes up short in many areas, and I'm comparing it to just a normal bog standard Nokia phone here!, but getting there. I can still txt quicker on any basic Nokia; that said at least I can actually txt on a WM phone now!
Anyways, I have two longstanding Vodafone contracts, yet I always seem to buy offline (providers never seem to have what I want). Being slightly more cost conscious at the moment (ish!) I was pleased to be able to get my HD2 on Vodafone. I now have my other contract which is due an upgrade (has been for something like 4 yrs lol) and I'm tempted to get an iPhone just for the hell of it (like the idea of getting a subsidised handsets for a change after all these years!) and give it a go. Have I really been missing out on greatness??! Who knows.. I almost want to not like it )) however equally I might well be won over.
Doubt anyone actually cares. But I'll probably let you know non-the-less!
I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.
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I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.
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Here here, what this man said!
I do think the OP intended to write a genuine head-to-head, however I think then seemed to get too involved in the fact that his own personal opinion is with the iPhone and therefore nullified any real level comparative value.
Each to their own and all that..
I live in USA and switched to the iPhone 2 years ago. I had used WM for many years until I switched. I was reluctant, but am now quite used to the device.
When the HD2 surfaced, I was being pulled back to WM, as I HAD to try it out.
SO, as an iPhone user trying to go back to WM, it is hard. I must agree with the OP that the fruit phone is much easier to use, especially with the App Store and iTunes.
I understand that XDA-Dev is WM-centered and I have been a big fan of this site and come for WM info. I used to cook ROMs quite a bit. You can't do that with the iPhone.
I will say that the HD2 is a beautiful phone. The screen is amazing. Having not used WM for a couple years, it has come a long way, thanks in large part to HTC. If I had 3G here on the HD2, I might be more aggressive trying it out. I think I will get a VZ Mifi and try it out more.
So, don't bash! I love both phones, but being an iPhone user, I am spoiled.
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My thoughts? Simple. You should have gotten an iPhone 3GS instead of a HD2 as you're clearly more suited to that platform. I also agree with what has been said, you're clearly biased towards Apple's device so there was no real comparison in your post.
Hey guys-
Please bare with me here . I recently purchased an almost brand new T-mobile HTC HD2 from a person on Craiglist for 300 bucks. Well it turned out that the phone the person sold me was defective, i.e. a hardware malfunction of somekind , and because T-mobile thought I had bought it through them online, they said it was covered under the "Buyer's Remorse" period. So because of this I sent the one I had originally bought back to T-Mobile for a replacement, and they are sending me a brand new one in the box with all the accesories, factory sealed. But, since I had a chance to play around with winmo 6.5, and HTC Sense, I hate them both. So my question is, because I'm getting a brand new HTC HD2, should I return this one in exchange for a refund and buy something like a nexus one? Or should I stick with this phone? Or...should I exchange the HD2 for something else on T-mobile's network? Any advice would be appreciated. Btw, I payed 300 for the original hd2 I bought, but T-Mo is sending me one worth $450, so it's like there paying me 150 bucks, and they didn't even ask for a proof of purchase, lmao. Kinda cool that's all.
-regards, Bobofosho123
I had the HTC HD and ended up not liking it at all, I really wanted to but just hated everything about it in the end with the exception of the camara. I ended up trading my HD with someone on CL for a T-Mobile 3G Slide and I LOVE it! Im originally coming from an iPhone which I loved but got tired of Crapple and not having 3G speed and this slide is turning out to be even better than my iPhone. It sells for almost the same price as the HD. Just thought i would tell you that and maybe you can send your HD back (if you dont like it) and see if they will give you a slide.
Yeah, thanks for the response. And to he honest, to go from a high-end phone like the HD2 down to a mid-range phone like the slide seems like a ripoff to me. If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).
get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone
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get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone
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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.
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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.
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The android port will probably never work like an android phone... it probably won't be good enough to use full-time instead of winmo for at least a year... so if you want android, get an android phone.
The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.
Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
The things is the HD2 just seems sleeker and more refined to me personally, sure the Vibrant may have the Android OS but I'll wait to get Android on my HD2.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)
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If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).
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This sounds like a really bad idea. Ever hear the phrase, "Take the money and run" Take the HD2 and sell it on ebay, then go buy what ever you want. If you have no receipt and your not listed as the owner on the account you may get screwed. What if this guy got the phone on a payment plan? What if he got the contract deal and they won't issue the refund and won't send you your phone once they discover the error. Just think about it a bit and count your blessings because this whole thing could of gone a whole other direction.
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The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.
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Yes, they are making great progress... but there will probably never be a full "completed" port.... it will probably never run like an android phone. It's ridiculous to think it will. Have you used any of the other android ports for winmo phones? Some have been developed for years... and development went just as quick for some of them... and they are still a long way from being complete or "fully" functional. It will be awesome to have winmo, which I consider the best and most customizable mobile os, on my hd2 most of the time and be able to boot into android to use specific apps or play around with when I want. It will be somewhat functional in the next couple months (probably missing camera, and a few other things, and will probably be a battery drain... but usable)... but it will not be as functional as an android phone and probably not functional enough to want to use full-time on the hd2 instead of winmo for probably a year or so. Like I said... do some research... look at the development history of the other ports.
I also disagree about what you say about winmo... I've used it since 2003. I've also used android for a couple years.... Winmo is just as stable, and much more customizable and functional than android is at this point. I admit.. its not as user friendly... and it takes time and knowledge to set it up to use it's functionality. Android is quickly catching up as it's constantly being developed, and android was designed from the beginning to be a phone os. WinMo was designed to be a stand alone pocket pc os, and phone functionality has been added since the convergence of pocket pcs and phones... so the phone functions of it can be a little awkward or not implemented efficiently. But if you're looking for pc functionality, winmo blows android out of the water.
Don't get me wrong... I love android too... and can't wait for the hd2 port to be developed more... but be realistic with your expectations. There's plenty of past times this has been done to know what to expect with it if you do some reading. Android on the HD2 will be great... that's another great thing about winmo phones... they usually get android ported at some point. But if you want to use android full-time, its best to get an android phone. If you can't stand winmo, don't keep the HD2 expecting a perfect android port that runs like an android phone.
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the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)
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Yeah man, I'm watching some reviews on the vibrant now and it definitely looks like the phone for me, and I can deal with .3 inches less screen size, as compared to the HD2. Not to mention, the vibrant seems to have a better screen than the HD2 anyway. And to think I only paid 300 bucks for my HD2 on Craigslist originally, lmao!!!! I'm certainly going to get one hell of a trade here, woot woot !!!!
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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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You got to remember, when i first saw it on tmobile website, the Vibrant was in the list and it was sold for $350 bucks. And that was like 4 or 5 in the morning. I got really stoked because i thought tmobile watned to surprise anyone by releasing galaxy s. But turned out, it think it was their mistake for putting up the price tag. Anyway, my point is, no matter how good Vibrant could be, the hardware quality does not come any near my HD2. No matter how some people hate this device, they must admit it is the highest quality device out there. Vibrant has plastic back, no flash and 4in screen is a joke compared to 4.3 And heard it was light which doesn't feel expensive. Anyway, i'm waiting for even bigger one HD3. I know it is a rumor, but HD2 was a ridiculous rumor, but hey, i'm holding one right now.
Which one is better? I already have HTC HD2 and I am thinkin to buy an iPhone 4S. I think iPhone is way more powerful than HTC HD2.
what do you mean with "powerfull"
i started angry birds on my hd2 with wp7.5 and on the iphone 4s at the same time...
hd2 was faster
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what do you mean with "powerfull"
i started angry birds on my hd2 with wp7.5 and on the iphone 4s at the same time...
hd2 was faster
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It is faster and more reliable.
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It is faster and more reliable.
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sounds to me like you already decided.
if you want a phone that makes calls and installs apps, get an iphone, if you like messing about, flashing, tweaking, changing, tinkering stick with the hd2. its that simple.
I have both and as much of a HD2 fan I am, the smoothness of iOS interface is unbeatable. User experience wise, no crashes, better battery life, and basically "just works". After 3 years of HD2, flashing android & WP7..... i find that everyday life with iPhone is more productive than my past years with HD2.
However I'm still a flashaholic and use my HD2 off hand to continue to find the rom that surpasses iOS in regards to these features.
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Which one is better? I already have HTC HD2 and I am thinkin to buy an iPhone 4S. I think iPhone is way more powerful than HTC HD2.
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What you mean more powerful? HD2 is 2009 model, but iPhone 4s - 2010! Definitely iPhone more powerful and stable? but HD2 - The best!
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What you mean more powerful? HD2 is 2009 model, but iPhone 4s - 2010! Definitely iPhone more powerful and stable? but HD2 - The best!
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I think I am gonna stick with my HD2.
Well, iPhone is nice for less potent people.
HD2 with it's capability is powerhouse.
iPhone 4s isn't much more powerful than HD2, if any at all
Hd2 is powerful. Even there are comparison b/w them roaming around in web.
Its the os. Sure android won't be as smooth as ios, but its way more powerfull.
Its like Java and c . While Java is eyecandy and smooth, its not powerful as c.
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i prefer hd2 .....very much!
Well, I prefer ANY Android phone to the iPhone...
To start with ... what's with the iTunes rubbish ???!
I rest my case.
Had an HD2 for 1 year... brilliant ! flexible and reliable, with a very VERY VERY active community of users and devs...
used the iphone4 from the day it came out in stores til i sold it (app 6 months ago) and started using my motorola triumph soley then i recently got the hd2.
the iphone4 is extremely usable when it comes to interface and that nice display. I actually really enjoyed surfing the web on the iphone4.
i thought the camera took very decent photos for a phone camera.
i couldn't stand the typical apple restrictions when it came to loading music or videos to the iphone4
i use linux and have never been a fan of itunes. I have had some success with ipods and syncing music in linux but the iphone4 never worked correctly, esp after i upgraded the firmware (biggest mistake to make with apple products im learning)
I use an iphone 3g as a backup and that was a complete headache to unlock because it had the newer firmware on it.
switching to android first with the triumph and now with the hd2, with an external sd card and third party apps to play a variety of files is the way i like my phone to work.
i don't find myself using it to surf the web as much, although i much prefer swype to the ios keyboard so i do find myself replying to emails more on the phone.
and texting it that much easier.
it comes down to preference. itunes vs drag and drop, ios keyboard vs swype type keyboard, etc
i think a hardware "clone" of iphone4 with the addition of an external memory card running ICS would be an AWESOME PHONE.
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to me, for my needs, the hd2 is FAR more amazing then the iphone4.
i have had some really nice phones, i was into symbian phones starting with the football 6620 to the N80, to the E72 to N95 to E90 etc.
for my needs the Hd2 is the best phone i've had. although i would have to say the n95 was most impressive when i got it.
there wasn't many phones that had the feature set it did at the time.
iphone has much better hardware (GPU, screen,touch panel etc).
Hd2 is a very nice multi os device but cannot compare to iphone. Specialy if you are simple user who want's a mobile that..just works...
I prefer hd2 and android.
I would say, buying an iphone is like buying a house and hd2 is like building a house.
1st one is simple,and less complicated, but the thing is u have to be get satisfied with a good work of other person.
2nd one is complcated,and bit tricky. But the thing is u will get or make thing that suits ur needs and taste. Say more personal.
Sorry but americans prefer the first, and the rest of the world goes with 2nd choice. The reason why apple hq is in California. And not in japan.
Of course those who had worked with itunes either to sync or restore had said "what the fck" for one time in their life.
Lol iphone world is like jail( remember why they use "jail broken "), even if you use to jailbreak , u will be caught the nxt time u get a firmware update.
But do u think android is such a Hippocrat? Noooo.. and dont think its a fool, but its a wise buddy trying to adopt himself to the situations it live on..
We indians have a reasonable quote " if u went to a country where people eat snake, then u should eat its middle pieces " ... that applies here too..
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People comparing a 3 year old phone with current flagship just shows how good that phone must really be....enuff said
HD2 is still the king of phones
On a serious note, HD2 completely crushed iphone 3gs when it came out even with WinMo 6.5, was on par with iphone 4 with android...4S is obviously better no denying that because of its newer hardware but functionally both are equivalent, you will not find anything that you can't do with HD2 with what you can do with the 4S except for hardware related things like better photo's, video, screen, etc...
However you can do much more with HD2 like running multiple OS'es or multiple flavors of android and android naturally being open gets my vote over iOS
For me Mango and ICS running on my HD2 place it well ahead of pretty much anything. I had my share of Iphones coming in for repairs - cheap flashy toys surviving only on the strength of the market apps. Until I got my HD2 (and I was saying it's a phone of my dreams that I just had to have for some time before I got it), the best phone I ever had, my Toy of the Year award winner, was HTC Universal with upgraded RAM.
The thing about the whole Iphone phenomenon is the fact people who switched to them, any model, did so from old and run down, sometimes monochrome, phones that were due to be thrown out. In comparison Iphone seemed beyond amazing and it would be fair to say the best toy they ever owned and the reason they refuse to consider there are better phones out there.
My work allows me the best opportunity to see what's on the market and play with them all, I had seen triumphs and failures in architecture and design, pluses and minuses of each. Iphone 4/4s is great, not without its problems, just like any other phone, but the average user will find it superb - just a matter of personal preference, really.