As all of you, I've been with pocket pc since my hp 1945. Back then ppc was the most advance mobile os out there. I dreamed of a time they would converge this device with a phone to make the worlds greatest all in one. Then it came , the device that started my addiction with windows mobile phone, the imate jAm. From then on it was an exciting journey as I bought new phones when they cAme out. Each one better than the last and more stable. This journey climaxed when I bought my best pocket pc phone ever.. The htc advAntage. I loved that thing. Huge screen graphic processor, fast CPU , 8 gb HD . But alas my advantage was dropped one too mAny times so it was sold. Not wNting to get the same phone twice I purchased the AT&T tilt, then the xperia. Now for the point of my post. Since the begining to about when the first iPhone 3g came out I'd sAy ppc was very much better than the rest. Now after playing with the 3gs iPhone I can see with this device ppc is now in the dust. It does most things our ppc can do , but most of all more and more developers r writing awesome apps for this device. And because it's made by one company and also very popular there are tons of accessories for it. I mean there were times like with my advantage that I couldn't even get a proper case for it. As for os iPhone is wAaY more stAble, windowS is taking too long. They started this race but R finishing up last with their shotty work and programming. I meaN the only reSon I buy htc products is becUse of this awesome site. That's pretty sad when ur only selling point is a site that has no affilation with u but make ur buggy product useable. So with this post I sAy farewell ppc thank you all the chiefs that made All those custome Roms I've used over the past ten years. I've jumped ship and have bought a 3gs.
Ps xperia was the straw that broke the camels back. Worst ppc phone ever. From case problem to shotty os
Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
You could summarise the OP into one sentence.
"The iPhone has a swish GUI and is better supported for apps than the Xperia, so I'm getting one."
My response would be,
"I prefer my device to have a keyboard, and while the Xperia isn't perfect, it has a spreadsheet app out of the box... for free."
It is not our fault that you cannot configure your device properly. Feel free to buy a featurephone like the iPhail. It is simple, not functional and has crappy hardware and software.
WinMo is for tech savvy people who understand modern tech. iCrap is for the ones who want everything configured and controlled for them. The latter will fall behind modern society, because of lack of understanding how things work.
Read this and pay special attention to the links haha:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529998
Let's not be Haters
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
Have fun with your iPhone 3GS - seriously No bad feelings here (why shouldn't there be any lol ).
However, I think you made 2 mistakes here. The first one, was getting an Xperia in the first place. If you now can live without the full qwerty keyboard, you should have gotten a Touch HD. Thats more of a competitor to the iPhone than the Xperia.
The second mistake: You switched when the WM platform finally has come to a point, where almost all new devices feature a WVGA screen, which means, that developers will have less problems to build apps AND WM 6.5 with its marketplace is standing right on the doorstep. The other thing here is, that Microsoft won't be that fussy when it comes to authorising apps to the marketplace.
I personally am not going to jump ship to the iPhone. I'm satisfied with the Xperia, but am really pissed with the problems of the WM ecosystem. No one stop shopping for apps. No music or app downloads straight to the phone (that Handango InHand app was crap!). And, come on guys, customizing a phone and voiding the warranty IS NOT A FEATURE!
I am not even interested in the X2. Hardware alone isn't going to convince me to buy a new phone. It has to have a great ecosystem and UI...period. I'm guessing X3 with WM7 would be my next phone, but if it's crap, then I'm jumping ship to something better (even iPhone 4). My next phone is going to have a really well-designed and clever OS on top of superior hardware. Features should not be half-assed but properly integrated into the whole phone. Good example is Copy and Paste. Many complaints the iPhone didn't have it, but now it's got it and it is very well implemented. Apple didn't just throw some bull**** into their phone to make the feature list longer. My next mobile OS will have to be designed with that same mentality and attention to user-experience.
I'll stick with my X1 for another generation, but next generation, the company with the best designed OS and ecosystem will get my business.
Besides the question if the iPhone is the better phone (Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me, the iPhone is definetely lacking some things) i really have to say that somehow i get the impression, that WinMO got stuck.
A few years back, it was the ultimate OS for powerful PPC and later PPCPhones, but that was because it was the only real one. Microsoft just sat back and sold and sold without improving. I mean even the devices 5 years back already had 400 MhZ and were as fast as todays devices and if you take a look at Windows Mobile 2003 SE and Windows Mobile 6.1 you can't see significant changes at first glance. I've had many WinMo Phones throughout the years and i will stick with it for now, because I love Windwos Mobile and all the functionality that comes along with it and appart from a keyboard i am still missing some other things with other phones like the iPhone, but i guess, if Microsoft does not realize that the Phone OS Market is now an open and very competitive one and does not improve their OS within the next year (Speed is a great factor, other OS are way faster) more and more people will come to the point where WinMo is no longer the OS of choice. As for myself, more and more things that "disgusted" me with the first iphone, get lost more and more, as apple improves the whole package. Alright, an iPhone with Keyboard is way off for now, but who knows
Just my two cents =)
If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
I think the X1 is really good, it's the best WinMo device i've ever had. There is no real comparable device out there regarding the Hardware.
But right now it looks like this is the climax of Windows Mobile and if this stays like that till the next time i have to get a new device i will be looking seriously into other Phones, because my love to WinMo is not unconditionally, they really need to do something
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
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Word! **** the iPhone.
WinMo and X1 is good enough that I'll wait for WM7 to give it a chance (and I'll put the OFFICIAL WM6.5 on my X1). But after that, I'll have to jump ship to a/the keyboard iPhone or something else if Microsoft and SE doesn't get it's s**t together by next generation of phones (The X3).
I have to agree. I updated my X1 using the SE update service to R3A and now get regular crashes. I'm trying to find away to roll back but not having any luck. As mentioned before, cooking your ROM is all well and good to improve your phone, but it voids your warranty and shouldn't be needed. Lazysoft should start investing some of their vast mountain of money into programmers who can produce a stable, fast and easily customizable OS. As Apple slowly realise their mistakes with the iPhone and introduce firmware upgrades to compensate WM is going nowhere and offering nothing new or improved. As soon as iPhone is capable of everything other phones are, it's game over for WM.
I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
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Keyboard will not be a substitute for all the features it lacks.
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The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
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Agreed, but not 100%. Function beats aesthetics any day. WinMo has cool looking apps as well.
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I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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I thought the same thing. Maybe a Mod can drop by and tell us if we are right?
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If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
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I had an iFail for a month (back in the 2G when you could jailbreak without contract)
I am happy I don't have it any more
Crappy keyboard, with only qwerty, no 3rd party keyboard support, apps were alright, nothing incredible, no real bluetooth (A2DP, tethering etc) and no hardware keyboard, hardware was mediocre at best and the camera sucked
Took them 2 years to sort out some of those issues, hardware/camera still suck and the apps.....lets just say I wouldn't take a lot of them if you paid me, not to mention being forced to use iTuneDeaf, I'll stick to my media players that support OGG thanks.
I am quite impressed with the iPhone 3GS, I do not understand how they can make the MP3 player so remarkably fast compared to any windows mobile mp3 program + phone. I know capacitive screen takes away the need to apply pressure but the iPhone OS looks as if it takes alot of processing power and yet 600 Megahertz is almost the same as 528 and yet iphone is blazing fast.
The same also applies to the Ipod Touch which has a 400 mhz processor.
I am just so discontented that the iPhone os is not good for automated apps and modification apps. If it had those features + a true file system than I would consider.
This is the reason why all iphones and ipod touch have mostly games and games and games, because it can only support certain types of foreground apps (since the Mac OS isn't designed for background apps)
I pity all the iDiots......
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/video-iphone-copy-and-paste-is-a-pretty-incredible-thing-sur/
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Today markes the day that Sony Ericsson Ends it partnership with Wm, I guess the Next smartphone the X2 Will either be for Symbian S60 or Google's Android OS. Welll the had a good run with windows mobile but now its over.
But Atleast We know that there will be/could be a PSP Phone coming.
Source plz.
I'm not surprised. SE was barely involved in SEX1 developement, x1 is HTC device excluded panels... And even panels... I don't know how much has been developed by SE
so, who cares basically? I purchased X1 'cause I need a qwerty small device... that's it
Here You Go!!
http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/05/sony_ericsson_to_dump_windows_mobile.htm
Thats true, Thats why i nvr Bought one. But its a little sad that no more inovative things for Wm like panals. But its okay tho.
The article is barely a reliable source to confirm that SE is ending partnership with Microsoft.
The rumor has been been going around since even before X1 was launched and if Ericsson is really off loading their shares to Sony, if i remember correctly Sony was always a big fan of Windows Mobile.
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The article is barely a reliable source to confirm that SE is ending partnership with Microsoft.
The rumor has been been going around since even before X1 was launched and if Ericsson is really off loading their shares to Sony, if i remember correctly Sony was always a big fan of Windows Mobile.
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Well this time it is most likely true because First there sales for the flagship X1 sucked, second There phones arent selling so there losing money, Third Wm is the MOST expensive OS out there, so there trying to cut cost and maybe save them self from Spliting up. There almost sdoing as bad as Motorola. And ya
I heard a rumour that it was the andriod phones that are likely to be reduced or stopped by companies like sony and a few others as it does not really hold its own market. i think people see it like symbian for normal phones and mw for business. android is like iphone but companies are thinking if u want something like iphone u would buy an iphone.
not saying the rumour is true as there is at the mo nothing to back it up but i hear that was what a lot of mobile phones companies were thinking
Ya, and i have use Symbian i Wm has just 2 things over it, 1 Its UI is very costumizable and Its great intergration with everything Windows. But symbian has Way better res 16 million colors, better Costumizablility Video ring and others, better more stable Wi-Fi connection, Faster too. So really X2 would be alot better on symbian even.
Rumors, nothing else. (it's a symbian "fan-page" )
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Rumors, nothing else. (it's a symbian "fan-page" )
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But It also says android, Also there saying what the head of Ericsson said so it couldn't be to far from The truth. But I think its true, Bad Pofits+Low selling Wm phones+ EXPENSIVE OS($99 each Vs $29 s60 vs Free android)=Bye Bye Window Phones, And For them to Truly have a High tech Phone and Feature packed the cant Us wm, cuz it doesn't support alot of things I.e OMINIA HD left Wm because it couldnt support half the things it has especially HD. But maybe Windows Phone 7 will change that.
workingman, your specific facts are all wrong, all your arguments are retarded and your source is just pure speculation of a dumb writer. go back to your homes citizens nothing interesting here.
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workingman, your specific facts are all wrong, all your arguments are retarded and your source is just pure speculation of a dumb writer. go back to your homes citizens nothing interesting here.
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"Go back to your home" What are you a racist. I bet you voted for McCain. Wow havent heard something like that for a while But hmmmm I dont know, maybe your right. Just because I work As a Firmware engineer For samsung in California i dont know anything right.... Sorry. I guess a person that most likely works a walmart knows more than me.
I also bought the X1 because it is just an amazing phone. Although I owned two SE-phones before the X1 I never thought that I HAVE to buy a SE-phone again... The X1 is a HTC device and I think it opened the HTC-window for many SE-users; I think the X1 is a better commercial success for HTC then for HTC, because SE will loose with the X2 at least all the users that don't like Android and Symbian (including me).
With the X1 I said in fact 'goodbye SE', 'hello HTC'
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"Go back to your home" What are you a racist. I bet you voted for McCain. Wow havent heard something like that for a while But hmmmm I dont know, maybe your right. Just because I work As a Firmware engineer For samsung in California i dont know anything right.... Sorry. I guess a person that most likely works a walmart knows more than me.
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label me whatever you like . that does not change the fact that you are spreading garbage based on a very dumb article writen by a symbian "freak" (pun intended) and a very retarded speculation from your part.
the recent development in software and some of the leaks about the x2 hardware (better keyboard, based on 6.5..etc) as mentioned in the other thread suggests that SE are committed to WM.
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I also bought the X1 because it is just an amazing phone. Although I owned two SE-phones before the X1 I never thought that I HAVE to buy a SE-phone again... The X1 is a HTC device and I think it opened the HTC-window for many SE-users; I think the X1 is a better commercial success for HTC then for HTC, because SE will loose with the X2 at least all the users that don't like Android and Symbian (including me).
With the X1 I said in fact 'goodbye SE', 'hello HTC'
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True, True, But ya. I think your right with that But another reason i like the X1 is because of the designe , Thats why i like most Phone, I mean teh OS is very important to me BUt if The feature List is Killer like The Upcoming Nokia n97(which i already pre-odered for $750). Its sooo advanced that i would give Up the best OS out there WM for a less advanced but still good S60. You gatta be open minded when it comes to OS's. I have owned and used all the Mobile Os. Android, Mac, S60, RIM, Wm, Palm and touch wiz, so i know what i am talking about when i say what i say. Now i am using the HTC HD because its super sexy, In 1 month ill be using the Nokia N97 because its sexier, Way more features, 32 GIGS of memory, 3.5 inch screen With 16:9 Res, NOW no Phone can top that. Can you name one, that has better features?
Oh well, windows mobile is actually a really good OS.
I have an iphone, blackberry bold, nokia n82, and my beloved Xperia X1i.
That being said, I've come to learn and know about almost every OS, of course there's Android which I probably will not experience.
I love Windows Mobile. Symbian is quite responsive, but simplistic.
The iphone's OS is also simple, beautiful, and good for gaming.
Blackberry's OS is mainly for eye candy and business, I couldn't really find many games on its platform.
Android, not too sure!
Heres a little proof That Sony ericsson is starting its move FROM WM http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-foxconn-sourced-android-phones-from-sony-er/
But also you could be right that the are not gonna completely Move. I can admit to my wrong, But im say theres a huge chance there gonna start to move away from WM
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-epic-quarterly-loss-adds-another-round-of-j/
Like this is the years flagship phone and guess what its a symbian OS phone UHHHH
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_idou-2683.php
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Oh well, windows mobile is actually a really good OS.
I have an iphone, blackberry bold, nokia n82, and my beloved Xperia X1i.
That being said, I've come to learn and know about almost every OS, of course there's Android which I probably will not experience.
I love Windows Mobile. Symbian is quite responsive, but simplistic.
The iphone's OS is also simple, beautiful, and good for gaming.
Blackberry's OS is mainly for eye candy and business, I couldn't really find many games on its platform.
Android, not too sure!
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Yes your Right.. I dont think anyone on this web site can say the have had a better OS(even me) but im just saying SE is loving Wm now. Did you know that the Have only made 1 Wm phone and the sales were BAD, All other smartphones have been Symbian(which i like because how it interhrates everything into its Ui(which cant be costumizedbut okay)
For example The P series, M series G series and W series.
your silly topic is now your signature. seriously dude, you have issues
-SE releasing android does not mean leaving WM. it just means they are experimenting with something new . SE said they were supporting android since LAST YEAR.
-your other links (idou and SE losing money) are pointless and irrelevant here
-whare the hell did you come up with the wm OS price and the very poor X1 sales numbers??!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello all, please excuse the ignorance of this post. I have been an Iphone user from day one of the 2g Iphone, currently having a 3g one. Getting a little tired of the Iphone, and have tried Win Mo on a Touch Diamond (dont hate me but I wasnt a fan of the OS). I have been looking at the vids of Hero on www.coolsmartphone.com, and starting to become quite taken. Was just curious if anyone out there is an Iphone user switching to Android OS, in particular the Hero. Really just looking for some opinions, and I am not trying to start an Iphone haters thread, just looking for some advice.
Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
Cheers for the quick reply, still undecided.
I'm not quite an iPhone user, just an iPod touch. All I can really say is that the iPhone has a lot of great apps, browsing and calendar is great, as well as other features. I've never owned an Android device but I'm looking at the Hero too and like how customizable it is. I guess I just want to try something different.
I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
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Free app, tasKiller - works great for shutting down running apps, just put an icon on your homescreen and 2 taps is all it takes.
I was suffering major app slowdown before installing this, sometimes multiple instances of the same app were running and slowing things down, this app is a god send!
Thanks. I figured there would be something like that - my comments were more in reference to the iPhone v Android discussion.
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I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I will agree with some of your points othese I wont.
I find that andriod is more asthetically pleasing than the iPhone and when you state that the poster would think "the iphone did this" they will also think wow my iphone didnt do this...
To the original poster, why dont you take a trip to t-mobile and try their phone before you buy, only you will know what you prefer.
I used to be an iphone user and hated it after about a week, the main issue for me seemed to be multitasking, amazing how much I use that.
Anyways just my opinion, each to their own, but dont discard the Hero nor should you leap into buying one, read, read, read and try in store.
Certainly, do not discount the Hero, it is a beautiful piece of tech.
If it helps you any, I kept my Hero for 3 days, then returned to the Kaiser. I have sent the Hero back.
Now, is the Kaiser better? As a tech experience, NOT a chance, the Hero is much better. As a functional tool, the Kaiser is more (for me).
Example, it syncs locally, completely flawlessly. The Satnav apps on it are mature and established, if truth also be told, I found an onscreen keyboard not a patch on a hardware one. These are key reasons I need my phone.
Will I go back to Hero? I would have thought very likely. It needs to mature a little, then I will be back in. I will still miss the hardware keyboard though. Pressing a screen is not a patch on pressing buttons. But as an iphone user, that will not be any issue for you.
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I predict you will very quickly long for where you once were and end up with another iphone. Sure of it.
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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Hahahaha. Whenever i see somone with an Iphone its like Whatever. Its like so not 2009. It just got old for me. I sold my Magic to get a Htc Hero:
I had a G1, sold it to my friend from work, bought a Magic, played with it for 1-2 weeks. Sold it and now im getting a Hero soon!
Hi,
This thread is to provide comparison and feedback exclusively from those that have both an iPhone 3G or later and an HD2, as is my case.
So here's my first go at comparing a 3G vs. HD2:
First and foremost: Handability and visual - which one is really usable
HD2 of course has a bigger screen, easier to read for those over 40 and more fancy, more show-off than a 3G, however:
- 3G easier to hold in the hand
- 3G can be operated one-handed. nearly impossible with HD2 due to its size
- HD2 easier to drop on the floor - it's not very handy, even for big hands
- Lets face it: Apple User interface is light-years ahead. 3G has an A LOT more intuitive, and more ergonomic user interface compared to the HD2: just compare how SMS threads are managed on the iPhone compared to the 3G - despite WM65, HD2 is pre-historic compared to the iphone. Same for email, browsing, ....
- The 3G touchscreen has a more responsive screen. On the HD2 sometimes you have to repeat swipe, pinch. Never happens on the 3G. The HD2 screen is nice and big, but close to the boarders, so you get many unwanted keypresses depending on how you hold it. Pinch zoom not native to WM65. Look at how iPhone handles the internet browser and compare with Explorer and Opera on the HD2 -WM65 is lagging behind the iPhone. (You do get pinch zoom on video in HD2, but who really needs that?)
- what about copy and paste on HD2? Pre-historic and not finger-friendly on WM65 - check out the cool new copy-paste feature on the iPhone latest firmware.
- HD2 keypad impossible to type with - I get one error per word; Apple 3G since the 3.1 firmware is more usable (try turning of the click sound - you will be surprised how fast you can go without error)
- in car handling while driving - you have to really pull over with the HD2, where the iPhone only requires a swipe and a keypress.
Conclusion: clear win to Apple on ergonomics and usability. WM65 suffers from its heritage. Unless MS decides to develope a new mobile OS from scratch, the game is lost against Apple. And there's a lot more non-tech people buying smartphones than there are WM geeks. MS - wake up !!!
Next, what you can do with it: the apps: the app store speaks for itself
Ever since I bought the HD2 3 weeks ago, the number of available apps in MS marketplace has not changed: a total of 60 apps only (!!!!!!!!!!) - compared to how many tens of thousands for the iPhone (!!!!!!!!!) including superbe games that beat a Nintendo DS. On WM65, there's nearly nothing. Now that I realized this after buying the HD2, I would not have bought it in the first place, because in the end, that is what counts for a smart phone. What good is a smart phone if you have no apps to do anything with it, no matter how great the smartphone looks? Here again, MS beware and wake up !!!
Proprietary vs. open platform: who's really open and who is not?
The long standing critique on the iPhone is that it was a closed, proprietary platform compared to WM65. Well, given the app note above, think twice. Even without jailbraking the iPhone you get a lot better than what you get for an "open" WM65 machine. And if you can't withhold tweaking everything, you can also jailbrake an iPhone and tweak everything on it. No advantage to WM65
Comms
HD2 a lot better. For instance when listening to streaming radio, the iPhone often disconnects / interrupts in the car when reception is more difficult, where the HD2 keeps on reception without interruption on the same route.
GPS functionality
Clear win to HD2, despite using an inferior non-SirfIII GPS chip I believe from Qualcomm. The iPhone GPS in contrast is the worst of the worst of all on the market. I mean even my old HTC P3600 without any quickgps works a lot better than an iPhone. For some reason on the iPhone the position is always wrong, the signal lost every 20 seconds, ....
That said, the HD2 is only good as long as there's Agps available. Traveling to a different country, you lose the AGPS advantage. In place, you will discover the joy of 2minute warm fix times, when you need the quick fix the most (note my official ROM does not have the Quickgps). I never understood why HTC dropped the Sirf III chip after the P3300 model, replacing with the inferior qualcomm chips. If anyone from HTC is reading this: do you know a Sirf IV is out, its cheap, consumes less power, small, and a lot quicker / precise than anything else available for civil use?
Now the GPS apps: None available on MS Marketplace so far. That said the GPS apps are generally better on WM65 - richer functionality (you can add your own POI and have POI warning when approaching) which is not possible on the iPhone.
Other technical and other features
Battery not exchangable in iPHone? who cares? I've had an iPhone for more than a year, using and charging every single day. Performance has not been impacted to date. the HD2 has the same battery charge life approximately as an iPhone
Memory: HD2 only comes with a 2G micro SD card. You need to put another 100 EUR for a 32G micro SD on the table to match iPhone's 32G.
Periferilia:
Did you notice since several months in the electronics and mobile phone stores, all of the periferilia was replaced and more than 90% of it today is exclusive to the iPhone. If you chose something else, tough luck - a lot less chargers, cases, screen protectors, etc. Everything in the shop today is for the iPhone.
My conclusion:
First and formost: the HD2 is a lot better than all other WM65 smart phones.
But, despite that I only have the 3G, not the newer iPhones, and the 3G has a slow processor, I feel the iPhone usability and app availability makes up for some of it. HD2 is a lot faster, and in the end WM65 is good for the disguised computer scientists and geeks like me. But anyone non-computer or IT savvy will feel a lot more comfortable with the iPhone- this is not against HTC, it's the OS the machine runs, WM65 that is at fault, and furthermore, there are currently really very few Apps for the HD2 where you have 10 of thousands for the iphone. The size of the screen, the processor speed, the show-off effect surpasses the iPhone, but app availablity and usability is lagging behind.
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[NEW] Camera: HD2 is a lot better than iPhone, and the video is better than my old camcorder
I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.
Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.
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Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.
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ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.
I'd agree with most of what you've written. I also own both the iPhone (3GS) and, now, the HD2.
Loving the screen size on the HD2, but comparing it to the iPhone in almost EVERY other respect, it falls short.
I'm persevering with the HD2 though, as I wanted a change from the iPhone for a while.
But deep down, I'm 99% certain I'll be selling the HD2 long before I think about leaving the iPhone.
The iPhone is so easy to use. The keyboard is a million miles ahead of any other virtual keyboard. The media interface is better than any other I've seen. Battery life is better on my iPhone than on my HD2 (although the HD2 is better than it was). Apps availability is a big plus, even though so many are pointless. I've never liked anything Apple before, but the iPhone is still the phone to beat.
If it wasn't, the media wouldn't still be searching for the "iPhone killer" would they?
I do like my HD2, but realistically, it's not even close to matching my iPhone for everything that I want from a handset.
I never used an iphone, and I don't intend too.
But reading you 90% of your post, you seem totally biased
Really cheap flamewar bait ..
I believe the competition have caught up with Iphone, and for me personally, the only thing that is awesome with iphone is itunes store.
I prefer my HD2 to my old Iphone 3GS any day...not sure what i will say when they bring a new one out though!
Well I had to purchase my HD2 because orange don't yet stock it in the UK but they offered me the Iphone so I borrowed my sisters 3GS for a while and decided against it I think it boils down to what you are used to I already have lots of WM apps which work well there are lots to chose from on WM. You already mention GPS The HD2 is awsome with this a major reason I bought it.
I found the screen much more responsive on the HD2 than on the Iphone where you have to tap things twice sometimes to get them going.
I actually would have prefered the HD2 to be the Iphones size, but there is not that much difference and when you get used to the size other screens seem tiny in comparison.
I found the Iphone interface very boring to use there is no homescreen as such just a grid of apps, there is much more info on the Windows mobile homescreen.Both on Titanium and HTC sense.
I dont know what you mean by dropping the phone both can be dropped.
The camera is better on the HD2 and it has a flash (even taking into account the pink blob)
Another plus was XDA developers and the choice of what you can do with your phone regards cooking different roms. You are basically stuck with the Iphone as is,I probably would have got bored with it very quickly.
I would agree the Iphone is a very good phone especially good for gamers and music fans, etc and has a very slick flowing interface, I would consider the HD2 as a good alternative with a lot of potential for further improvements.
I was tempted by the darkside and I hate it. 3GS going on ebay and im returning to WM, with the HD2 cap in hand.
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ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.
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I sold my iphone 3GS to fund my Hd2 purchase - no guesses about what position I have on this post - which btw is like the millionth one here in Leo section. Don't miss it one single bit and love my HD2 to bits - everyone has they're personal view....
ITunes and the usual apple - "you will do it this way or else" attitude to the OS are the only things I'm going to say. Stick to the general consumer products fella
You now comparing old Iphone hardware with old Windows Mobile. Boh will be updated in the next 6 months. In my opinion the batlle then really begins.
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I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.
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WM 6.5 was never meant to be earth shattering but a stepping stone to WM 7. I believe this is MS last chance of redemption as they have lost ground for over a decade. Standing by for the real difference of WM7 ! IT's COMING !! Good luck MS! However from a hardware perspective, HD2 Kicks Ass !!
granted for a long time the ifun was tied into an exclusive deal with o2 but that never,imho,excused the exorbitant tarifs that were charged for it then or since and as such I'm proud to say I've given it a wide berth (appart from prodding someone else's just to see what all the fuss was about) and at the end of the day the question you have to ask yourself is: "did you ever see anyone drooling over an iphone?" the first purchase I'll make for a HD2 when I get mine is a wetsuit for it!
Hi the-uki,
I see many of your points, but please tell me:
Why are you looking for WM-Apps only in this crappy shop??? Why are you not a bit more autonomous to find the thousands and thousands WM-Apps in the www by yourself, without the helping of an app-store? I think we are all old enough to help ourselves, so this is not a negative aspect you know
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Bluecharge
LOL - I read these threads with interest..
I've never owned an iPhone of any kind, probably one of the very few tech gadgets out that I didn't convince myself I needed in my life. Have always been a Nokia phone man and Windows Mobile PDA man, then as of the last few years have been just about coping with a single device running WM6.1 (Diamond) and now 6.5 with the HD2.
I think WM comes up short in many areas, and I'm comparing it to just a normal bog standard Nokia phone here!, but getting there. I can still txt quicker on any basic Nokia; that said at least I can actually txt on a WM phone now!
Anyways, I have two longstanding Vodafone contracts, yet I always seem to buy offline (providers never seem to have what I want). Being slightly more cost conscious at the moment (ish!) I was pleased to be able to get my HD2 on Vodafone. I now have my other contract which is due an upgrade (has been for something like 4 yrs lol) and I'm tempted to get an iPhone just for the hell of it (like the idea of getting a subsidised handsets for a change after all these years!) and give it a go. Have I really been missing out on greatness??! Who knows.. I almost want to not like it )) however equally I might well be won over.
Doubt anyone actually cares. But I'll probably let you know non-the-less!
I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.
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I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.
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Here here, what this man said!
I do think the OP intended to write a genuine head-to-head, however I think then seemed to get too involved in the fact that his own personal opinion is with the iPhone and therefore nullified any real level comparative value.
Each to their own and all that..
I live in USA and switched to the iPhone 2 years ago. I had used WM for many years until I switched. I was reluctant, but am now quite used to the device.
When the HD2 surfaced, I was being pulled back to WM, as I HAD to try it out.
SO, as an iPhone user trying to go back to WM, it is hard. I must agree with the OP that the fruit phone is much easier to use, especially with the App Store and iTunes.
I understand that XDA-Dev is WM-centered and I have been a big fan of this site and come for WM info. I used to cook ROMs quite a bit. You can't do that with the iPhone.
I will say that the HD2 is a beautiful phone. The screen is amazing. Having not used WM for a couple years, it has come a long way, thanks in large part to HTC. If I had 3G here on the HD2, I might be more aggressive trying it out. I think I will get a VZ Mifi and try it out more.
So, don't bash! I love both phones, but being an iPhone user, I am spoiled.
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My thoughts? Simple. You should have gotten an iPhone 3GS instead of a HD2 as you're clearly more suited to that platform. I also agree with what has been said, you're clearly biased towards Apple's device so there was no real comparison in your post.
Recently sold my HD2 - although a cracking device which i personally miss.. No Windows 7 Mobile upgrade was enough to annoy me into selling.
Purchasing a HTC Desire this week..
It does seem like an interesting year ahead for Android itself - the application store has grown a huge amount over the last few months.. Motorola Droid pretty much changed the fortunes of that company, plus sold more in it's first 2 weeks than the iPhone 2G did. Which i find simply jaw dropping.
Now Samsung, LG and Sony are all releasing Android phones... Pretty much abandoning their own platforms for the most part.. Which can only mean more apps for Android - any developer would be insane not to with the user base about to exploid with majority of mobile manufactures moving to it (with exception of Nokia obviously)
I was going to wait for the new iPhone release in June - then again.. Any upgrade Apple will make will be a 5mp camera, AMOLED screen, 1GHZ(ish) CPU and larger screen (pos).. Which HTC Desire has, so i can't see myself wanting it over the HTC Desire in a few months.. Plus i general detest how overly priced the iPhone is..
I've always thought what set the iPhone apart from current phones - isn't the OS interfaced or the hardware.. HTC have caught up in that respect.. But the application store was always it's biggest seller - more to do with third party developers than Apple itself... But now with Android getting such a massive uptake - you gotta wonder.. In 6 months is that really going to be the case? How long will it be till the Android marketplace is actually bigger and better than the iPhone AppStore... It's got to happen.. Simply from a numbers game - developers have a much higher potential earnings with a much larger user base..
Your opinions on Android?
Android just pwns.
Case closed.
Well,
I used an LG phone with propietary OS before and it sucked. Switched to a Windows Mobile phone later (used 6.5) and it sucked too! Apps? I did see like 5 good apps on the Marketplace.
I'm now using the Nexus One for 2 months and a week and this is my first Android phone and I fcking love it and most of the apps are great! I even see that some iPhone Apps were already "ported" to Android.
You see Samsung, LG and Sony are all releasing Android phones and that means Android will be grow a lot in the next 6 months! There'll be much more apps at the end of the year because everyone who's buying a new good phone is going to buy Android (I hope xD) and develop for it.
I've had my nexus for about a month & a half, before that a g1, then a wm running dash (excalibur) definitely loving android. It's linux, you can't go wrong. To be honest though I've only held an iphone once. It was kinda cool, but apple locks their **** down too much. Just my .02
Just received my Nexus One yesterday and I could not be happier. This thing is so fast and full of features that flow very well. The apps that I have decided to use are well built, many are as nice as iphone apps..
I've had the g1 since it came out. The app store has just been growing every week.
I'm still rockin a g1 cuz I'm waiting for a darn good keybored android phone to come out with amazing specs. I'm on tmobile, I thought about the cliq, but there's not much devolopment yet. Although that's not amazing specs at all lol. Although I hear the cliq is built like a metal monster
Android is the beez knees. Simple as is.
And with so many phone company's picking up android
Iphone will be down eventually. All in due time when they can't get over the same design
Sorta like the razr hahah
The Android Marketplace is going to sink the Apple App Store for sure.
It seems that developers have an easier time managing and publishing their apps through Google instead of Apple. Apple's store censosres too much and people with jail broken phones can't find any apps for their rooted devices . In the Android marketplace you can find root only apps. Open source is going to win and beat closed source. That is the way it should be.
I've heard many iPhone devs are going to develop android apps now
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I've heard many iPhone devs are going to develop android apps now
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Ya xPatriicK, what a small world.
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If they make them as nice as the iphone apps I wont mind spending cash on them, winmo apps were always so ugly! (in general)
I have to agree.
Android is growing so fast that Apple started wetting themselves and took a first strike against HTC as a warning shot accross the bow. Apple may end up suing everybody making Android phones to try and slow down the rabid growth. We'll have to wait and see what happens though.
Seeing the new Android SDK supports openGL ES 2.0 makes me very happy, as some iPhone users were still sassing me on my Nexus with games like Streetfighter 4 and stuff. Now it's my turn. (as soon as some decent games are developed)
Honestly. 1.5 made android what it is today, by making it into a usable experience.
I downloaded the Android SDK the first day it was available, and ran it on my computer to see what could be done with it. I swiftly dismissed Android as nearly unusable (at that point, at least I was right)
I ended up replacing the Cingular 8525 I had at that point running WM6.1 with a HTC Fuze running WM6.1. What a great device with awful software. WM isn't nearly as bad as people say it is, the problem is most rom chefs don't put on near the same amount of polish that I did with any Doom maps I made, or any of the Stepmania themes I made. To see problems solved in other roms crop up in a rom 4 versions later started to annoy me. Plus, chef's obsessions with some of HTC's awful UI staples (I swear, I will be the one to kill the engineer who wrote the full screen volume control. A change in volume shouldn't be a project, it should be a task) and the little things piled up. It never got any better. This was the future.
Let me say one thing. CRC, the chef for the HTC Hermes, is the main reason I obtained this view of the future of WM. If you ever get stuck with a HTC Hermes, use his roms. They're excellent, and bug free.
Just about the time I was getting REALLY sick of the idiocy around WM roms, and 6.5 in general, the Android porting project for the MSM7200 chipsets started releasing builds that ran more than acceptably on the Raphael. So I got involved. Downloaded some, tested kernels, the whole nine yards. This new view of Android, with a usable UI, and honest to god workable system made the decision for me. I just had to pick a device. At this point I knew I would want a Hardware keyboard, and that I would want 3g. Being an AT&T customer, this severely limited my options as to what devices I could have access to (yeah, at that point, around October last year, to none). Eventually the Droid came out and the Milestone was announced. I ended up buying a Telus Milestone from Canada on the first day it was out. Haven't looked back. If you are on the fence about android as an OS, try it out. Its available on so many of the WM phones that are talked about on this board, so if you can, run one of those builds from SD. Or just go into a Verizon store and ask to play with a Droid. They'll gladly let you play with it, because they're selling more of those than they know what to do with. Its really a great operating system, and everyone who is complaining about not having 2.1 yet is splitting hairs.
I was a long time WM user and a flashing junkie. I started off with the HTC xv6700, then the Vogue, Diamond and Touch Pro. After having a WM device for almost 5 years I just got sick of their over-priced 3rd party apps and programs and wanted to move onto something bigger and better and didn't want to wait for WP7. When I started checking for a new device, there was only one direction to go and it wasn't going to be an iphone. Android was the logical choice and this is coming from someone who wasn't initially a fan, I was loyal to WM, but after going into the Verizon store and playing with the Eris and Droid, I was sold. I had the Android ports on my Vogue and TP, but nothing is like the real thing. I found a cheap Eris on craigslist and it has been great, especially since the Eris Dev Team finally rooted it. As nice of a phone as the Eris is, I'm on the look out for something with more balls(The Incredible!!) which hopefully should be out in a month or so, which makes me really happy I didn't use my NE2 on the Eris. I can just about guarantee that HTC and Android are going to run away with the smartphone market, leaving WM, apple and RIM in the dust. With some great "super phones" coming out(EVO & Incredible) this should be a great year for Andoid, not to mention HTC.
I think when my upgrade comes through later this year, I think it's time to say goodbye to Microsoft and Windows phones. I am so disappointed with how far behind Apple and Android they are and of there is something descent developed it costs far more then the others do. Android is up and coming with loads of apps and apple speaks for themselves. Microsoft you really need to get your act together, instead of spending all your time coming with operating systems that aren't much better then the previous ones get on with creating stuff that will actually keep people buying your phones.
Must say I agree. I was very disappointed with the news about Mobil 7. What is it about 'social networking' that makes Microsoft so excited? If it wasn't for xda-developers, I would have moved away from windows mobile two years ago. I'm only sticking around until I drain the last few drops from WM6.*, and I'm a WM developer (business apps).
totally agree with you....i have just sold my blackstone and bought a Google G1 (which costs less) and it is much better there is no doubt about it.
I will never buy an iphone i just dont like apple but the WM7 phone looks potentially disappointing so I am holding out for gingerbread.....apparently it will be amazing
Yes, that's the same thing I thinking about. I'm put off by Apples total control of the system (£60-ish to register and develop). I can't ever see myself going down the Apple route. Android, on the other hand, with their (download development environment for free) attitude has a lot more potential. Unfortunately, I've only just got this Blackstone HD. Now thinking about selling it and moving to android.
I'm just waiting for my contract to end in few months and I'm going for Android. Looks very promising.
Tottally dissapointed with what I hear about WP7 and where its going. Its kinda sad. I'm on WM for 7 years I think.