So I hate my Hero, A, because it is slow, and B, because it is stuck on 2.1 forever. So I have been looking at the Evo and the Epic, and the other related phones, and here is my question, what is the support going to be like? I know that every time a new phone comes out, the manufacturers seem to forget about the old ones, and for no technical reason, the MyTouch 3G is getting Froyo after all. So one of the things I am looking at with my next phone is that it will be supported for the full two years, the Hero only made it 6 months, so I know that seems like a lot, but I honestly don't think it is too much to ask. If you sell a phone with a 2 year contract, you should support it for at least 2 years, as long as technically possible. So without a vanilla Android phone available on Sprint, which of the two phones do you guys think will be supported with updates longer? I have seen that sources close to Google said the Galaxy S phones will be upgraded to 3.0, but they didn't mention the EVO, even though it meets the spec requirements. Would it be waiting until the end of the year for whatever comes then? Or is just that buying me until December of next year instead of August? Thanks.
No phone will ever be supported for 2 years...some countries even have 3 year contracts as standards...The contract is unrelated to the phone you buy...
The manufacturer warranty is 1 year for all of them...past that you can't really expect them to issue updates for it...that is why we have a community...
You have to remember that the manufacturer is not earning money off your contract, only from the sale and if they have their apps in there, those as well...
The one who is forcing you into the contracts are the carriers...no matter how much you may think the US is a free open country..it is not...out of all the countries we have the most locking of phones and other things...
You are not forced to sign a new contract..you can always pay the full price of the phone up front..the contract just gives you a discount...
Ok, while I will admit all that you said is true, my example is the iPhone. Apple puts out a phone, and continues issuing updates for it, even you you are probably out of your 3G contract now, you can still upgrade to OS 4.0, you won't get all of the features, and it is debatable whether you should have those features, but at least you get part of the update. I don't understand why that can't happen on Android. Even the MyTouch 3G will have had support for over a year. The Hero on the other hand, got its first and only upgrade after about 6 months. Why can't we have some arrangement like that with a non-Google phone? I mean, just give me a full year of updates and I will be happy, if those updates are reasonably prompt, as with the EVO and Froyo. Will that continue with the EVO, or the Galaxy S when we move to Gingerbread?
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Ok, while I will admit all that you said is true, my example is the iPhone. Apple puts out a phone, and continues issuing updates for it, even you you are probably out of your 3G contract now, you can still upgrade to OS 4.0, you won't get all of the features, and it is debatable whether you should have those features, but at least you get part of the update. I don't understand why that can't happen on Android. Even the MyTouch 3G will have had support for over a year. The Hero on the other hand, got its first and only upgrade after about 6 months. Why can't we have some arrangement like that with a non-Google phone? I mean, just give me a full year of updates and I will be happy, if those updates are reasonably prompt, as with the EVO and Froyo. Will that continue with the EVO, or the Galaxy S when we move to Gingerbread?
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Well iPhone is different..Apple actually gets paid a portion of your contract...not to mention all app revenue goes to them as well...
But in case of the Hero..it kinda came at a bad time...it was the point where the device specs skyrocketed and Android was moving fast in development..not to mention the Hero was already an out dated phone before it even came out..US was just slow at getting devices on the shelves...recently it seemed to have picked up..before it used to be 6 month - a year before it got in US shelves but was already all over the world...nowadays we get them 1-3 month or so...
Once 3.0 hits Android also slow down a bit in their release cycle...
Most likely you will get 1 year support around these days..and afterwards it will be community support for life ...
Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls. Then I upgrade to the Hero, and don't get supported.
But what you are saying all makes sense, so I hope either way we get more updates, even if they have to be delivered by the Dev community.
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Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls. Then I upgrade to the Hero, and don't get supported.
But what you are saying all makes sense, so I hope either way we get more updates, even if they have to be delivered by the Dev community.
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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He means from HTC/Sprint official upgrade..not community stuff..
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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So does mine, thanks to Darchstar and all of his fellow developers. And I can't thank them enough for that, because if it weren't for them, I would have thrown this phone out of my car at high speed off a cliff long ago. But it shouldn't be up to developers to support a year old phone. Especially when it is obviously capable of running newer firmware. And because they don't officially support it, these 2.2 ROMs will never be as good as ones with the official HTC base.
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He means from HTC/Sprint official upgrade..not community stuff..
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Correct, I just think it is the right thing to do when you sell a phone. Support it for two years. Sprint pays HTC for the phone, and we pay Sprint for the phone and service, so it just makes sense that they Sprint should make sure their customers are supported for at least the two year contract whenever technically possible.
One year of support might be feasable. Htc doesn't want to waste resources supporting old hardware, sprint doesn't want you to reach end of contract. This is why they give upgrade pricing after one year in exchange for 2yr contract agreement. Android platform + this communit have given me the ability to keep a phone for 2yrs with minimal discomfort.
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Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls.
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Wait a second... Why the heck would you EVER have to send the phone in to HTC? If it's under warranty, Sprint repair stores handle it for you. If there's no repair stores near you, care cross-ships you out a new (or refurb) phone. You shouldn't have to be without a phone for more than a day, max.
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Wait a second... Why the heck would you EVER have to send the phone in to HTC? If it's under warranty, Sprint repair stores handle it for you. If there's no repair stores near you, care cross-ships you out a new (or refurb) phone. You shouldn't have to be without a phone for more than a day, max.
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Because it was about 6 months after we bought it, and it we don't buy the warranties. So we called Sprint, and they told us that the only thing they would do is sell us a new phone for full retail, and specifically asked about a loaner or something, and they said that was only for people with warranties. They said the only thing we could do is send it to HTC, so that is what we had to do.
As a rebuttal, you can put 2.2 on a hero, and have everything work. I'm doing that now to get used to not having sense. Sure it doesn't top the charts and 3d games suck on it, but there are plenty 2d games on the market that work fine, you can watch movies that look and sound fine on it if you take the time to convert them properly. Plus, I haven't had any issues with lag, especially with the keyboard. The stock android one us much better than htc's ime.apk in that aspect. And it probably has to do with the haptic feedback. I typed this on my phone and it doesn't feel like a chore.
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As a rebuttal, you can put 2.2 on a hero, and have everything work. I'm doing that now to get used to not having sense. Sure it doesn't top the charts and 3d games suck on it, but there are plenty 2d games on the market that work fine, you can watch movies that look and sound fine on it if you take the time to convert them properly. Plus, I haven't had any issues with lag, especially with the keyboard. The stock android one us much better than htc's ime.apk in that aspect. And it probably has to do with the haptic feedback. I typed this on my phone and it doesn't feel like a chore.
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Thats not what the OP is talking about...he has Hero running 2.2 as well..if you read he says manufacturer support..NOT community support...
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Thats not what the OP is talking about...he has Hero running 2.2 as well..if you read he says manufacturer support..NOT community support...
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Thanks again gTen, and rufflez, I have already said how much I love the devs here and on other forums, and all the work they put into the platform, but the operating system is always the best when based on official kernels and and drivers. And it shouldn't be up to the community to support the devices after such a short time. They should improve on work done by the manufacturer, but they shouldn't be solely responsible for the device's advancements.
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Idk what to do because new phones come out every 2 months that are better and make the previous models obsoletee! Should i get the nexus one or wait for the HTC supersonic? Do you think the nexus one will loose its value over the next 6 months if i decide to sell it?
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Idk what to do because new phones come out every 2 months that are better and make the previous models obsoletee!
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I disagree; better models being released do not make a phone obsolete. Sure it means you're not on the bleeding edge of technology, but your nice new shiny phone will not degenerate into a piece of rusty scrap metal overnight. It will be a long time before these phones are obsolete.
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Should i get the nexus one or wait for the HTC supersonic?
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I can't answer this as a quick Google produces conflicting accounts regarding quality, what stage the phone is up to regarding development, etc.. The specs I've read are also "leaked" (see: subject to change or may not even be true at all).
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Do you think the nexus one will loose its value over the next 6 months if i decide to sell it?
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It wont lose all of its value, obviously, but it certainly can go down just a tiny bit in price. I'd say get a Nexus One and sell it when you're ready; just make sure you take care of it, keep all original boxes and manuals, all plastic wrappers and casings, etc so you can get the maximum amount of money possible for it.
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Idk what to do because new phones come out every 2 months that are better and make the previous models obsoletee! Should i get the nexus one or wait for the HTC supersonic? Do you think the nexus one will loose its value over the next 6 months if i decide to sell it?
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no offense to you, sasha...
but do these types of posts ever cease here?
heheh...seriously...if your opinion is that a new, bigger, better phone will be out in 2 months, then perpetually wait for that phone! based on that statement, you'll never feel comfortable buying a new phone.
do yourself a favor...buy a nexus one, enjoy it, and when you're tired of it, buy a new one.
A phone backed exclusively by GOOGLE is not going to loose any value.
Any other phone is just that a new phone. But a phone sponsored by a company I.E apple (iphone) Palm (pre) Google (nexus One) etc. Fall into a different category.
At the end of the day people look at google and know their phone is the nexus one so that adds value to the device.
Plus i prefer to be backed by google all the way. This means that the moment a new release is out in the AOSP rep the google backed phone will have first dibs on it so youll always be up to date.
Perfect example is look at the htc devices and motorola. 2.1 Been out for q month now and the only phone with it officially is the nexus one.
The other devices are not making the leap to 2.1 till probably next month or april. T oeach its own but there is a difference between a FLAGSHIP company phone and just a Released updated phone.
please excuse my being ignorant... besides wimax, will supersonic support WCDMA&GSM I am totally an idiot about WiMax technology...
The bigger issue in my mind would be who in the modding community is going to support it.
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Idk what to do because new phones come out every 2 months that are better and make the previous models obsoletee! Should i get the nexus one or wait for the HTC supersonic? Do you think the nexus one will loose its value over the next 6 months if i decide to sell it?
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The absolute BEST way to play this game is to buy the first phone that comes out on the market using the next best processor.
The N1 currently has the only Snapdragon processor on the market.
It will be 9-12 months before the next 3.7 inch (or larger) Android phone with the next best processor is released.
Nuff said.
I bought the Nexus One, because I like having the lastest coolest stuff available to me, ie Android 2.1. I don't think we'll be sitting around 6 months after Android 3.0 (or whatever release) waiting for Google to push us an update. After owning an iPhone since day one I realized hardware isn't everything (This applies to other devices & hardware as well) I think we'll have the latest features with the N1 for a very long time, if we don't it'll be hacked in under 30 days, ie Desire ROM.
I will say this about the N1, when I first received it I thought I made a mistake coming from the iPhone but after a month with the phone there is no way I could go back to that glorified VTech toy. Every issue or complaint I had about the phone has been addressed by either Google, Cyanogen or a third party developer. (Other than my palms continually touching the screen but a case fixed that)
But seriously, you're looking at phones like they are software. Always something new around the corner. Outside of IT stuff, my other passion is cars. When considering a phone, look at it like you would a car. There is always going to be something out there faster, nicer and more fuel efficient but that doesn't mean your current car isn't fast, fun to drive or even a "clunker" And don't take me the wrong way I'm not talking down or preaching I had a hard time getting over the idea of not having the "best phone" for at least the next year coming from the iPhone that had zero competition (IMO) for two years. I waited for the Nexus One because it can out do pretty much anything the iPhone can do but that doesn't make my old iPhone any less of a great phone (despite what I'm sure others in this forum have to say about it). But also like a car, do your research and be very sure of your decision because you're going to be stuck with it for a very long time (Owning a phone for 2 years is like owning a car for 5 or 6 years)
Hope that helps you make a decision!
i bought the Nexus One. more then likely i'll strongly consider buying the SuperSonic.
tis' the life of a phone geek. good thing you get back some of your money reselling i guess.
Get the Nexus & try it! Maybe you'll like it so much that you won't want to get rid of it so soon But if do, then just trade up
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Idk what to do because new phones come out every 2 months that are better and make the previous models obsoletee! Should i get the nexus one or wait for the HTC supersonic? Do you think the nexus one will loose its value over the next 6 months if i decide to sell it?
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Depends on your situation. Supersonic means you have to be with Sprint, N1 means T-Mobile or ATT(w/o 3g). If you have prefer one over the other, choose your phone accordingly. Otherwise, getting N1 now isn't a bad idea if you want to be on the cutting edge.
Now, the downside of being on the cutting edge is that things don't always work smoothly. N1 even with the latest (beta?) radio rom still give me lots of dropped calls, touchscreen randomly borked, etc.. Not that I wasn't prepared for this, but it kinda surprised me to see these problem from Google. Maybe they should have just released it as BETA(tm).
I have a feeling that there are bugs to be weeded out with N1. While Google is 100% behind the handset, remember that this is actually their first handset. So don't expect smooth experience with N1.
As for losing value, I never really thought of that since I save all my old cellphones.
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Now, the downside of being on the cutting edge is that things don't always work smoothly. N1 even with the latest (beta?) radio rom still give me lots of dropped calls, touchscreen randomly borked, etc.. Not that I wasn't prepared for this, but it kinda surprised me to see these problem from Google. Maybe they should have just released it as BETA(tm).
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That's a Bummer! I have none of the issues you mention, and it's been super from day one!!
I believe that the Nexus One will have a much bigger hacker community than Supersonic.
If you can still wait until the Supersonic is out, you might as well wait for that time and see *all* your options in the market. Who knows? Maybe, Nexus One (or HTC Desire) will be cheaper by the time Supersonic is out or there's another great phone with nice specs and a huge dev community.
If you really can wait for so long, you might also want to consider waiting for Nexus Two.
If you can't wait for so long, buy the Nexus One now. Beside the hardware; the support from Google, HTC (especially because of the Desire ROM ports), and a huge community make Nexus One a winner.
The Nexus One seems to be the G1 when in comes to the developing community, and its popularity/all the Android newcomers. The G1 seems to get the most development of all the Android devices (judging from this place, always seem to be something going on over there with the G1). Despite it's design, and processor.. people do seem to love the G1, it even still seems to be going strong after its 2008 release too.
I assume the N1 will be the same ~.~ loved, and loved for long.
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The Nexus One seems to be the G1 when in comes to the developing community, and its popularity/all the Android newcomers. The G1 seems to get the most development of all the Android devices (judging from this place, always seem to be something going on over there with the G1). Despite it's design, and processor.. people do seem to love the G1, it even still seems to be going strong after its 2008 release too.
I assume the N1 will be the same ~.~ loved, and loved for long.
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Agreed. I used to get the newest and best of everything, now I stick to the ones with the best community - problems get fixed and new things get ported. The less widespread, but "newer" stuff usually has very little support.
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The Nexus One seems to be the G1 when in comes to the developing community, and its popularity/all the Android newcomers. The G1 seems to get the most development of all the Android devices (judging from this place, always seem to be something going on over there with the G1). Despite it's design, and processor.. people do seem to love the G1, it even still seems to be going strong after its 2008 release too.
I assume the N1 will be the same ~.~ loved, and loved for long.
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Agreed. It can't be pointed out enough that this is not only "Google Phone 1", but "Android Dev Phone 3." Every Android 2.1+ app will be proofed and bug tested on a N1.
xdaIf it's an HTC android device...why wouldn't it be a prominent device in the xda community ?
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Actually the HTC HD2 has the snapdragon too and technically hit the market before the Nexus One.
Your theory is sound though. Buy a phone with the next step in technology and it will age slower. As everyone has said, phones are probably the fastest moving field of technology so there is always a better model just a couple of months away. Get something like a Nexus One that has good support from it's manufacturer, good support in the community, is still very new and will have good resale value and thats your best bet.
If 4G is important for you, wait for the supersonic. Otherwise, get N1 and enjoy it until the new HTC Olympian. I read this will be the android version of HD2!
how about wait for the HTC Hypersonic, I hear it allows you to travel in time ;-)
Hi,
im in need of a new smartphone, and i have been thinking of buying the Hero since it costs somewhat cheap and almost all the reviews said that its a really good phone, moreover, it looks good.
but some say that its a bit old, and that new phones are really close to get released so i better wait a bit more and get the new ones.
is it a bad/late time to buy a Hero? what do u think of the phone in general? are there enough apps (compared to the iphone)?
or should i want more time and get the new ones? if yes, then is tehre an idea of how much they gonna cost? cuz im not willing to spend much on a phone.
or should i forget all this and just get an IPhone 3G (not the 3gs cuz it costs a lot)?!?!
any help would be very appreciated.
Thanks.
about the iphone... that really is up to u and your personal comfort in a little tinkering with the OS. If you are scared and want things set for u and comfined to what they think it good for u.. then iphone is a good device.
I love my hero and it is great! The Android OS is GREAT and lets the owner more control of what he wants his phone to do.
Yes, it is old tech, but it can handles itself very well. It's OS is scheduled to be upgraded from 1.5 to 2.1 in Q2 (maybe at end of March). This new OS will refresh its abililties.
If you can wait a few months for a new phone...
I would! New phones are scheduled to drop, and what carrier you use will depend on which phone u can get. My guess on the new prices will be $180 -$250. But on the flip side, currently the Hero is $80 with new 2 yr contract.
Again, I love my hero/android...best phone I have ever owned. Most users should be fine with the Hero's abilities.
but I will be looking to upgrade in fall, to new android phone, because I love tech toys.
Hoped i helped.. a little
I got my Hero about 3 weeks ago. Cost me £10 on a 2 year contract with Orange UK.
I considered waiting for the new phones to drop, but after reading about all the problems the Nexus One seems to be having, I decided that a more "mature" handset would be best. Also, any new phone would cost considerably more at launch. If I decide to upgrade the handset in 12 months (although I don't think I will), I can just buy a new one knowing that I haven't spent much on the Hero.
As for the Hero itself I love it! Sure, it could be a little faster or have more RAM, but I'd say that about whatever device I had. I can honestly say that the Hero has changed the way I do many things... from emails, Facebook & Twitter to ebook reading & geo-logging. The Android Market is great, with many great free apps (e.g. Astrid, Listen, etc)
Obviously the choice is yours, but for cost & functionality, I'd recommend the Hero to anyone!
Cheers.
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I got my HTC Hero yesterday on contract with three uk for £28 per month for 750 mins, unlimited text and internet .... the phone is superb .. it is very easy to set up .. emails come straight to your phone (I was told that 3 email push was available but its not as its not supported but the inbuilt email client is superb) the market place has loads of stuff and the phone is fast and doesnt lag even though ive loads on the screens ....
i looked at the iphone also but pound for pound the hero is best for money and to be honest you will get most apps on the hero ..... and good thing is 90% are free unlike iphone
I had debated to wait for the next htc that 3 uk are getting however the chaps told me its like a brick and thats one thing the hero isnt
highly recomend it !!!
The Hero has a great amount of RAM compared to other android smartphones, I sold my iPhone, and purchased a used (practically new) hero from two chinese foreign exchange students for only $250!
Honestly, with MrBang's proformance ROM, I am a witness to speeds which I thought were't possible on anything but a Nexus One. My phone is snappy and it's speed is comparable to that of an iPhone 3GS.
Not to mention how easy it is to overclock it to 528Mhz (iPhone 3GS runs at 600Mhz)
Just download the widget from the market!
I hope that whatever decision you make, you're happy with what you choose
If you want a phone that will be taken care of, updated timely and frequently, and so forth, get a Nexus One.
If you want a phone that has already been all but abandoned by HTC, with bugs still looming from when it was released, then get a Hero.
It's a nice phone and I have one myself, but really, I think the best phone right now is the Nexus One, since it is supported directly by Google, as opposed to just another phone that HTC is tweaking slightly and throwing down the assembly line.
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The Hero has a great amount of RAM compared to other android smartphones, I sold my iPhone, and purchased a used (practically new) hero from two chinese foreign exchange students for only $250!
Honestly, with MrBang's proformance ROM, I am a witness to speeds which I thought were't possible on anything but a Nexus One. My phone is snappy and it's speed is comparable to that of an iPhone 3GS.
Not to mention how easy it is to overclock it to 528Mhz (iPhone 3GS runs at 600Mhz)
Just download the widget from the market!
I hope that whatever decision you make, you're happy with what you choose
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Iphone 3GS runs at 800mhz AND it's using a far more powerful cpu/gpu, not sure what you're trying to compare.
Hero is kinda outdated, I'd wait for the Legend.
Haha, funny you mention it cause Legend will also be rather outdated hardware wise. Rather go for the Desire.
That's what I'm trying to say. HTC is throwing slightly different hardware into slightly different cases and selling it. They don't appear to be trying to innovate at all. Both of these claims are supported by the fact that their LATEST AND GREATEST is just a Hero redux.
Honestly, the Android phone to have right now is the Nexus One/Desire. Even though the N1 is manufactured by HTC, it is supported by Google. That means it will likely be the first device to get every upgrade until Google decides otherwise. It also has significantly better hardware than the HTC branded LATEST AND GREATEST (i.e. HTC Legend).
I would not go the Hero route at all if I was buying now.
I have a Hero and HTC are not doing the current users (mugs) any favours by cynically stalling the 2.1 roll out.
Nexus One is the best choice for a new Androider. For me though, I will avoid HTC where possible as a result of this Hero 2.1 debacle. I have owned HTC mobiles for many years but this current level of customer contempt is the Kaiser 3D qualcomm issue all over again
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I would not go the Hero route at all if I was buying now.
I have a Hero and HTC are not doing the current users (mugs) any favours by cynically stalling the 2.1 roll out.
Nexus One is the best choice for a new Androider. For me though, I will avoid HTC where possible as a result of this Hero 2.1 debacle. I have owned HTC mobiles for many years but this current level of customer contempt is the Kaiser 3D qualcomm issue all over again
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I vehemently agree with this.
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It also has significantly better hardware than the HTC branded LATEST AND GREATEST (i.e. HTC Legend).
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Errhhh - the latest and greatest HTC branded Android phone is the Desire, which is essentially the same as the N1.
Whilst Hero was HTC's top of the range Android phone when it was released, the Legend never will be.
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Dave
I love this phone regardless of how old it is. I just got myself a new contract with T-mobile on one of these. Brilliant.
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Errhhh - the latest and greatest HTC branded Android phone is the Desire, which is essentially the same as the N1.
Whilst Hero was HTC's top of the range Android phone when it was released, the Legend never will be.
Regards,
Dave
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You're right. I edited my post but forgot to get everything. I still think it is safe to assume that the N1 will still be updated more frequently (depending on how the hierarchy is setup now between Google and HTC for the N1).
I have my HTC Hero since 1 week and a half ago. I must say that it hasn't dissappointed me even though i expected A LOT from it. I came from an HTC Touch and the change is incredible. I bought it "2d hand", i say it between quotes because the seller had open it just to see how it was. I spent 130€ + 11€ for network unlocking. The advantage? I'm not tied to any company. I don't have the last technology, neither the best phone, but i'm pretty happy with what I have. The relation between the money I spent, and the company freedom, doesn't have price
But I have to say aswell, that if you have money for a Nexus One, go for it. If not, i highly recommend you the Hero.
I suggest going with either Nexus 1, or any of the new HTC phones coming out excluding Legend. I'm not dissing HTC or anything, but their delayed response to any updates on the HTC Hero, just...Dissapoints me. If you can't afford the newer models, then HTC Hero is still a good choice, all because of XDA you can still test out Android 2.1.
We need to know your budget really before saying "yes you should buy" or "no you shoudn't", if you could pick up a cheap hero, and don't mind getting your hands a little dirty, then by all means go for it and put a hacked 2.1 ROM on, or wait for the HTC release.
Failing that, and if you are a little more flush, then get an N1.
I have just found evidence that the HTC myTouch3g, not just the last revision of the headset but the entire line is getting the 2.2 update (see ref. Android 2.2 coming to the full myTouch 3G range )
Since all of the mytouch line phones are from HTC, and all of them are of lower spec or same spec as the Hero, does this not mean that maybe ours will get it sooner or later down the line?
Now to be honest, yes it almost sounds dumb for the fact that HTC sent out the press release that states only MOST of the HTC handsets that came or is coming out this year will be getting the update, AND the fact that it is HTC, so we could be speculating this till 2022; however I do also realize that though they detailed exactly which headsets coming out this year are getting the update vs. those that will not, the ones that are NOT getting the update are of lower specs all the way around than the Hero making them physically unsuitable for the update.
Debating and speculation is this. Remember not too long ago, if it were not for the few twitches of "please be patient, we are working with HTC to come out with a stable release of 2.1 blahblahblah" from providers (and only providers), we didn't think we would see a 2.1 update for the Hero (and most of us do not have it still..) But the fact remains that no one from HTC has given the Hero the final NO on 2.2, so it's still on the table specifically.
FEI, I don't know anything. Don't go around getting anyone's hopes up without proof.
Probably on December 21, 2012.
So this is what the Mayans were talking about?
Probably on December 21, 2012.
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hahahahaha dude i laughed so hard! hahahaha
I really doubt that Sprint will ask HTC for a 2.2 update for the Hero because of Sprints new love child (Evo) with HTC. Long story short....Sprint wants us to upgrade to Evo to get that extra 10$ per month per phone. I dont think so Sprint (not me). Sprint will soon start throttling data even though Evo owners are paying 10$ more per month just for the priviledge to use what is turning out to be HTC's ****tiest Android phone to date. New issues are found and develop daily....with software and hardware. Anyway....I digress.....Hero will almost certainly not get an official 2.2 (but i hope I eat my words).
on the bright side, if it does come to mytouch3g (non-slide, with headphone jack), we could really easily make a working rom for our phones. Would have the drivers we need to make everything work that doesn't in the current 2.2 from zen
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on the bright side, if it does come to mytouch3g (non-slide, with headphone jack), we could really easily make a working rom for our phones. Would have the drivers we need to make everything work that doesn't in the current 2.2 from zen
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This is what i was going to say. If we can get a phone with the same hardware as our phone to get 2.2 then we are set on having a 2.2 for cdma hero. Its easy to port over. Darchstar would be all over it.
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I really doubt that Sprint will ask HTC for a 2.2 update for the Hero because of Sprints new love child (Evo) with HTC. Long story short....Sprint wants us to upgrade to Evo to get that extra 10$ per month per phone. I dont think so Sprint (not me). Sprint will soon start throttling data even though Evo owners are paying 10$ more per month just for the priviledge to use what is turning out to be HTC's ****tiest Android phone to date. New issues are found and develop daily....with software and hardware. Anyway....I digress.....Hero will almost certainly not get an official 2.2 (but i hope I eat my words).
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Sprint isn't going to start throttling data, that rumor's been debunked on Engadget.
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I really doubt that Sprint will ask HTC for a 2.2 update for the Hero because of Sprints new love child (Evo) with HTC. Long story short....Sprint wants us to upgrade to Evo to get that extra 10$ per month per phone. I dont think so Sprint (not me). Sprint will soon start throttling data even though Evo owners are paying 10$ more per month just for the priviledge to use what is turning out to be HTC's ****tiest Android phone to date. New issues are found and develop daily....with software and hardware. Anyway....I digress.....Hero will almost certainly not get an official 2.2 (but i hope I eat my words).
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Also have you actually read the forums? Yes i agree some things that are discovered are just bad. But most of the things are just simply people *****ing. Its just sick reading what people are complaining about. And even for things that have simple solutions to them, people ***** because they have to spend a minute of there day fixing it and expect htc to have already done it. But what phone doesnt have a few problems when first released? They didnt have millions of people testing the device and now that they do, they discover things. Its apart of electronic device history and always will be.
Ok that had nothing to do with htc hero, but he brought up the Evo.
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HTC will release Android 3.0 for all of its phones which will then start a countdown everyone of our phones will explode..
I think if they get 2.2 it can easily be ported over to our phones. I don't think we will get it for ours as they just spent the last 6 months working on 2.1
Yes, I have read the forums and you are correct that most complaints are silly but there are more "real " issues than the Hero has had in 10 months time. I have also checked out a working demo and my Hero was much faster and smoother on stock 1.5 and now 2.1 than the Evo Demo. Just my 2 cents worth.
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...
Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
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Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.
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Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.
OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
lviv73 said:
My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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bentiger said:
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
lviv73 said:
True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...