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I currently have the N1, and I feel that the vibrant may end up being a better phone in the long run, even if there's small things missing from it. I want a phone that would be good with gaming and the Vibrant seems to be that phone.
Basically if you have owned an N1 please let me know if you're satisfied with the Vibrant. What makes it better, if not, again reasons why. I'm very curious.
mafaesto said:
I currently have the N1, and I feel that the vibrant may end up being a better phone in the long run, even if there's small things missing from it. I want a phone that would be good with gaming and the Vibrant seems to be that phone.
Basically if you have owned an N1 please let me know if you're satisfied with the Vibrant. What makes it better, if not, again reasons why. I'm very curious.
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Coming from a former N1 user, I think you'll definitely enjoy the Vibrant a lot more. It's just something about the phone...it's powerful, fast, sleek design, perfect screen size, 16GB built in memory and the AMOLED screen is best in class hands down.
The two fastest phones available for processing / gaming is the Galaxy S (Vibrant) and the iPhone 4 which uses the same Samsung CPU made in Korea.
Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7 million triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
And for comparison a few consoles:
* PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
* Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
I think the biggest advantage of our phone is the AMOLED screen. There's nothing like it. Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6mAgHO1_8c
There are a lot of reasons of "why the Samsung Vibrant..."
You'll like it.
I'm a old n1 user for 6 months, although I miss froyo and the trackball alerts and flash, the vibrant is all around better. Its smoother, more sensitive awesome screen, amoled is beautiful and the gpu is amazing, its already been rooted so just wait, there will be some bad ass ****...
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Definatly a worthy upgrade
While I can see that Vibrant may be a better phone on a paper and during the first impression, I get really annoyed with the list of issues that just keeps growing:
1. Signal issues (even if it's software related)
2. GPS issues
3. Market issues
4. No LED alert
5. No trackball/trackpad
6. Lag after few days of use
7. No adjustment for button backlight
8. No dev. support (althought I'm sure that will change)
I also understand that 2 of those are personal preferences but it still scares me that people experience all these issues 2 days after phone came out.
Good luck.
borodin1 said:
While I can see that Vibrant may be a better phone on a paper and during the first impression, I get really annoyed with the list of issues that just keeps growing:
1. Signal issues (even if it's software related) I heard the signal issue wasnt even an issue, its just displaying the wrong number of bars when it has full signal
2. GPS issues Not sure, havent tested yet since I dont have the phone yet
3. Market issues Market Issues are happening even on my G1, so i dont think thats vibrant specific
4. No LED alert Workaround is being developed now using the screen OLED, search the General Forum for progress
5. No trackball/trackpad True
6. Lag after few days of use Same as 2.
7. No adjustment for button backlight I heard that was annoying but its only 4 buttons and im sure it doesnt take long to memorize their location
8. No dev. support (althought I'm sure that will change) lol its only been 2 days, dont worry im sure its gonna change besides we have JAC on here of G1 fame lol
I also understand that 2 of those are personal preferences but it still scares me that people experience all these issues 2 days after phone came out.
good luck.
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Personally I think its worth it and those gripes are minor and easily solvable with either a custom rom, apk's being developed right now, and/or an OTA update.
speedysilwady said:
Personally I think its worth it and those gripes are minor and easily solvable with either a custom rom, apk's being developed right now, and/or an OTA update.
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I certainly value everyone's input but my mind is already made up, I'm not getting it and here's why: I spent enough time working out issues, fixing problems and finding workarounds with G1 (apps2sd, 10mb hack, Danger SPL etc). I want to get a phone that will be good out of the box so I can start improving it, not fixing it and Vibrant is not it, at least for me. I also don't think that I can overcome not having LED notification as I ALWAYS use it (along with a trackball but I don't think I really need it with a bigger screen)
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I certainly value everyone's input but my mind is already made up, I'm not getting it and here's why: I spent enough time working out issues, fixing problems and finding workarounds with G1 (apps2sd, 10mb hack, Danger SPL etc). I want to get a phone that will be good out of the box so I can start improving it, not fixing it and Vibrant is not it, at least for me. I also don't think that I can overcome not having LED notification as I ALWAYS use it (along with a trackball but I don't think I really need it with a bigger screen)
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That is probably a wise decision. I am probably returning my Vibrant in the next couple of days.
The signal attenuation of holding the phone naturally utterly kills my data speeds and the compass is a piece of crap. That compass does not work at all, it just randomly points around and jerks about.
The phone's display and speed are great, makes it a whole new experience compared to the G1, but with all the random bugs and the unfix-able antenna attenuation, I can't recommend this phone. Maybe if a firmware patch comes out for the compass and if you lived in an area that has excellent reception, then the phone would probably be great.
borodin1 said:
I certainly value everyone's input but my mind is already made up, I'm not getting it and here's why: I spent enough time working out issues, fixing problems and finding workarounds with G1 (apps2sd, 10mb hack, Danger SPL etc). I want to get a phone that will be good out of the box so I can start improving it, not fixing it and Vibrant is not it, at least for me. I also don't think that I can overcome not having LED notification as I ALWAYS use it (along with a trackball but I don't think I really need it with a bigger screen)
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*shrug* to each his own, but for the record, I do believe this phone will be the most customized phone in Android history. For the reason that this phone is already in 110+ countries.
t1n0m3n said:
*shrug* to each his own, but for the record, I do believe this phone will be the most customized phone in Android history. For the reason that this phone is already in 110+ countries.
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Well said. It's funny seeing some of these people complaining about personal issues. The phone is badass and all the points they pointed out can be fixed.
To the post originator, dude just get the phone. Play with it and if you don't like it you'll have 14 days to take it back. What have you got to lose?
You don't know what you don't know.
t1n0m3n said:
*shrug* to each his own, but for the record, I do believe this phone will be the most customized phone in Android history. For the reason that this phone is already in 110+ countries.
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I'm with you.
After thinking about which Sammy GAlaxy i was going to get, i decided on the Vibrant. As a 5 year member and at times developer here, i too think that the Vibrant will get the most support from us. For as many reasons there are to not like the Vibrant, there are more for the other models.
Here are my personal evaluations on the Sammys.
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Pro's for Vibrant
-Most like the original Galaxy (big plus for O.S. tweaks)
-Lightest weight, and best looking. This phone was meant to look good.
-Tmobile didn't load this with any junk.
-16 gigs of internal storage. Huge plus for apps. To expand to 32 gigs, only need to buy a 16 gig HC class 16 micro card. About a $100 cheaper than a 32 gig type card for Verizon/sprint.
-True 4G speeds, without paying the extra fee for it.
cons against tmobile vibrant
-LED (would be nice for knowing when phone is fully charged.)
-weird location for charging (TOP)
-no flash (front camera means nothing to me)
Con's against ATT captivate
-same hardware as tmobile but ....
loaded with ATT junk, restricted maps, ****ty network.
-no free movie, extra backplate or great headsets.
cons against Verizon fascinate
-2 gigs of Internal ROM storage (see above)
cons against Sprint EPIC.
-1 gig of internal storage (see above)
-Keyboard can be a plus/minus, for me, it's unwanted extra weight.
-HUGE. Biggest and heaviest of the bunch.
-Sprint extra fees for 4G even if you don't get it.
So it's all a matter of ranking those and more. To me, the biggest pluses are ease of development of which i believe the Vibrant is withs its' near Galaxy stock version. And the internal high speed memory of both ATT and Tmobile.
If a keyboard is a must for you, then the choice is easy.
If a flash camera is needed, then the Verizon/SPRINT is a mimimum. For those live for the webcam things, assuming you have or will have friends that use one of these front camera things, then only Sprint should be your choice.
I personally can't think of a reason to get the ATT model unless Tmobile doesn't have service in your area. And outside of a flash camera, I can't see a reason to get the lower memory Verizon version. I think it's a 2 horse race between the Vibrant and the EPIC.
orateam said:
After thinking about which Sammy GAlaxy i was going to get, i decided on the Vibrant. As a 5 year member and at times developer here, i too think that the Vibrant will get the most support from us. For as many reasons there are to not like the Vibrant, there are more for the other models.
Here are my personal evaluations on the Sammys.
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Pro's for Vibrant
-Most like the original Galaxy (big plus for O.S. tweaks)
-Lightest weight, and best looking. This phone was meant to look good.
-Tmobile didn't load this with any junk.
-16 gigs of internal storage. Huge plus for apps. To expand to 32 gigs, only need to buy a 16 gig HC class 16 micro card. About a $100 cheaper than a 32 gig type card for Verizon/sprint.
-True 4G speeds, without paying the extra fee for it.
cons against tmobile vibrant
-LED (would be nice for knowing when phone is fully charged.)
-weird location for charging (TOP)
-no flash (front camera means nothing to me)
Con's against ATT captivate
-same hardware as tmobile but ....
loaded with ATT junk, restricted maps, ****ty network.
-no free movie, extra backplate or great headsets.
cons against Verizon fascinate
-2 gigs of Internal ROM storage (see above)
cons against Sprint EPIC.
-1 gig of internal storage (see above)
-Keyboard can be a plus/minus, for me, it's unwanted extra weight.
-HUGE. Biggest and heaviest of the bunch.
-Sprint extra fees for 4G even if you don't get it.
So it's all a matter of ranking those and more. To me, the biggest pluses are ease of development of which i believe the Vibrant is withs its' near Galaxy stock version. And the internal high speed memory of both ATT and Tmobile.
If a keyboard is a must for you, then the choice is easy.
If a flash camera is needed, then the Verizon/SPRINT is a mimimum. For those live for the webcam things, assuming you have or will have friends that use one of these front camera things, then only Sprint should be your choice.
I personally can't think of a reason to get the ATT model unless Tmobile doesn't have service in your area. And outside of a flash camera, I can't see a reason to get the lower memory Verizon version. I think it's a 2 horse race between the Vibrant and the EPIC.
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Well said and thanks for sharing.
I agree with you that the front facing camera means nothing to me. The led flash is not a big deal either.
It's important for people to realize that this is a phone, not a flash camera so they should really evaluate what the sole purpose of a phone is. Then they may begin to realize the appreciation of what the Vibrant offers and not lose sleep over the ffc or led flash on the camera.
As for the carriers, TM and ATT are contracted to share towers, therefore, the reception between the two are the same. What you have to do is to make sure you go to network settings and turn on the network to AUTO...by default they are selected specifically to their carrier and you'll only connect to that tower. How do I know this about the two carriers? Somethings are left better unsaid.
What I can tell you though is that it's very real. I know it's real and have experienced it myself in places I had 0 reception, now I have full bars. I check my phone and sure enough it says ATT, when I'm a TM customer.
mafaesto said:
I currently have the N1, and I feel that the vibrant may end up being a better phone in the long run, even if there's small things missing from it. I want a phone that would be good with gaming and the Vibrant seems to be that phone.
Basically if you have owned an N1 please let me know if you're satisfied with the Vibrant. What makes it better, if not, again reasons why. I'm very curious.
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As far as performance, the Vibrant benchmarks better than the Cyan 6.0 Nexus One, except for the linpack because of the JIT on 2.2.
Now I will tell you what I like better about the Vibrant than the Nexus One.
Hardware:
* Larger more beautiful screen and MUCH better in the sun.
* I actually like the lightness of the phone.
* VERY thin, thinner than the N1.
* Capacitive buttons that actually work correctly, the N1 has a problem with the lower section of that area.
* Battery Life is better. 1500mAh! Just don't load up the screen with all the widgets available.
Software:
* I do enjoy the daily briefing widget
* The camera takes photos as soon as you hit that button, no lag!
* Messaging is MUCH better with a nicely done "bubble" thread style.
* The calendar is MUCH better showing your agenda under the "31month" view like iPhone does. Better polish to it.
* Integration with contacts is huge! Facebook, twitter, SMS all in one place under "updates" in contacts. Swipe right to call and swipe left to text!
* World Clock! Something I use greatly on my old iPhone but Android never had one and the market versions I do not like. The Vibrant copied the alarm, world clock, stopwatch, timer app from iPhone and it is beautiful!
* Beautiful memo pad!
* Drop down power control! Just swipe down and there is your power controls, no need to use screen space for that now!
Samsung has done a great job at polishing up Android! I look forward to the improvements Gingerbread brings to the polish of Android but until then, I feel Samsung has done a great job!
unxconformed said:
That is probably a wise decision. I am probably returning my Vibrant in the next couple of days.
The phone's display and speed are great, makes it a whole new experience compared to the G1, but with all the random bugs and the unfix-able antenna attenuation, I can't recommend this phone. Maybe if a firmware patch comes out for the compass and if you lived in an area that has excellent reception, then the phone would probably be great.
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I returned two today. Compass is useless but I can live with that. But the GPS is also VERY VERY bad. Didn't work in my unit, didn't work in my wife's unit, and, best of the best, didn't work in the store unit.
It simply a very bad GPS sensor.
nricci said:
I returned two today. Compass is useless but I can live with that. But the GPS is also VERY VERY bad. Didn't work in my unit, didn't work in my wife's unit, and, best of the best, didn't work in the store unit.
It simply a very bad GPS sensor.
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Sorry you had a bad experience, I have not had any issues with my Vibrant (albeit anything that I didn't inflict LOL, overall my thoughts on the phone has been extremely positive and everything works accordingly and I have not had some of the issues that others have had regarding the GPS and compass.
nricci said:
I returned two today. Compass is useless but I can live with that. But the GPS is also VERY VERY bad. Didn't work in my unit, didn't work in my wife's unit, and, best of the best, didn't work in the store unit.
It simply a very bad GPS sensor.
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i know the GPS has issues but you have a whole new level of issue with it not working at all. hopefully we'll get this fixed ota
I just tested my Vibrant to my N1 in maps and the direction the Vibrant thinks I am going is all over the place. There is a serious problem with the GPS or compass.
(Update) After a battery pull all seems well but slower to respond than the N1.
nricci said:
I returned two today. Compass is useless but I can live with that. But the GPS is also VERY VERY bad. Didn't work in my unit, didn't work in my wife's unit, and, best of the best, didn't work in the store unit.
It simply a very bad GPS sensor.
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Mine and my wife's GPS works flawlessly.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
mafaesto said:
I currently have the N1, and I feel that the vibrant may end up being a better phone in the long run, even if there's small things missing from it. I want a phone that would be good with gaming and the Vibrant seems to be that phone.
Basically if you have owned an N1 please let me know if you're satisfied with the Vibrant. What makes it better, if not, again reasons why. I'm very curious.
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Boy did I see this at the right time, I am currently holding a vibrant in my hand, well its on my desk, I LOVE IT, sold my Nexus on Ebay for 450.00 and got this for 345.00 becauseiIt was an early upgrade. Well let me tell you, the Phone is INCREDIBLE (not the Droid..lol) The screen is amazing, it is fast, its thin and light, the rep told me its a Gorilla screen which is scratch resistant, but I still put a screen protector on it. The down side its android 2.1-update, but 2.2 shortly, I probably will not rom the phone, not sure why you would the Interface is amazing, and the screen I still can believe is amazing. Also there is no Flash for the Camera but it has some kind on night shot, the HD 720p video is amazing. (I should go work for Tmobile... lol). If you like to know anything else let me know.
Thanks
Lou.
SugarMouth said:
As far as performance, the Vibrant benchmarks better than the Cyan 6.0 Nexus One, except for the linpack because of the JIT on 2.2.
Now I will tell you what I like better about the Vibrant than the Nexus One.
Hardware:
* Larger more beautiful screen and MUCH better in the sun.
* I actually like the lightness of the phone.
* VERY thin, thinner than the N1.
* Capacitive buttons that actually work correctly, the N1 has a problem with the lower section of that area.
* Battery Life is better. 1500mAh! Just don't load up the screen with all the widgets available.
Software:
* I do enjoy the daily briefing widget
* The camera takes photos as soon as you hit that button, no lag!
* Messaging is MUCH better with a nicely done "bubble" thread style.
* The calendar is MUCH better showing your agenda under the "31month" view like iPhone does. Better polish to it.
* Integration with contacts is huge! Facebook, twitter, SMS all in one place under "updates" in contacts. Swipe right to call and swipe left to text!
* World Clock! Something I use greatly on my old iPhone but Android never had one and the market versions I do not like. The Vibrant copied the alarm, world clock, stopwatch, timer app from iPhone and it is beautiful!
* Beautiful memo pad!
* Drop down power control! Just swipe down and there is your power controls, no need to use screen space for that now!
Samsung has done a great job at polishing up Android! I look forward to the improvements Gingerbread brings to the polish of Android but until then, I feel Samsung has done a great job!
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I agree. Samsung has done a fine job with the Galaxy S phones.
So I got the wife the T-Mobile variant of the Galaxy S, T-Mo's latest and greatest Android until next month when the 21 mb/s G1 Blaze comes out.
The T-Mo version on paper is the retarded brother compared to Sprint's version (which has a front camera, hard keyboard and LED flash), but T-Mobile's family plan saves us over $50 per month over going to Sprint (we pay $140/month for unlimited minutes and data for two Android phones), and TMo's HSPA+ is very quick here, in many cases faster than Sprint's 4G.
On to the review...
Good: screen is bigger (4"), but not TOO big. The brighter, multi-touchscreen is a generation ahead of ours and very accurate and responsive. Watching Avatar on it is unreal. Though it does not have the resolution of the iPhone 4, the contrast and vibrance is superior. It makes the N1 and iphone4 look a tad washed out by comparison. Samsung has itself a sick little screen here. It's very thin and light. Comes with an internal 8gb memory so with a 32 gb sd card you're carrying 40 gb of space! Speed of phone appears to be really snappy, due to dedicated video processor. You can definitely see the difference in 3d rendering. The speaker is much nicer than ours. IT has a TV out and a mini usb to HDMI support coming, so you can plug it into a TV and embiggen your screen. The camera and camcorder software is very nice (and quick).
Bad: Tmo's version looks like an iPhone, which is silly (maybe so tmo users can stay but still look trendy in public?). It's made of plastic instead of our elegant metal, and is a fingerprint magnet. It doesn't have an LED flash. Night time indoor shots worked fine in ambient light, but forget about taking pictures in a bar. GPS is spotty, but i understand there's already a fix for that (Fixed. It works fine now) No Froyo yet, but Samsug S version has already been leaked on the interwebs and the phone does come with what appears to be flashlite. Uninstallable bloatware. Big Boo to that. Die in a fire, Slacker and TeleNav GPS... (REALLY, TMo? TELENAV GPS?)
Things that make you go, "Meh":
Samsung's user interface is both a blessing and a curse. They've got some interesting widgets (buddy call, buddy updates), but I miss stock. No LED notifier light (like N1's trackball). However this has been remedied by a third party app that renders a small notifier light on the screen when phone is asleep, but eats up battery. The lack of customization ability to the UI's default buttons is an annoyance, but I have to admit the integration of social services (twitter, facebook, snapfish, kodak etc.) into the contacts is impressive and convenient.
End result:
Tmo did castrate a lot of this phone's capability. I'd love to play with Sprint's Epic, which will have the hard keyboard, LED Flash and front facing camera (no wi-fi required for the equivalent of FacePalm).
Though I have an upgrade available now, I'm sticking with the N1 fdr several reasons. It's a more elegant looking phone and it's "pure." It will still get all of Googles software upgrades way before the other Android phones out there-- I love you Froyo! I use the heck out of the LED flash. Plus we have noise cancellation which is a godsend for me.
Also, if i want to use graphics intensive apps and games, I can always temporarily steal the wifie's phone.
PS.
Ok, her phone does something completely awesome that blew me away. i found out accidentally that it can share videos from itself to our TV over the wireless network. It actually took over the TV and played our HD videos on it without any setup at all. All I had to do was longpress any picture or video in the gallery and share it to TV. Supposedly it can also grab media from other sources on the network and play it on the TV but I haven't tried that yet.
Unfortunately, my efforts to rip the app out and install it on the Nexus One have failed miserably...
For now.
Oh, I just saw one yesterday and my buddy is gonna buy one! I am seriously jealous, should i sell my amazingly awesome modded n1 for the galaxy??
If it had a camera flash and stock Android [FroYo] on it, I'd probably switch. Not having stock Android or FroYo on it can be hacked on of course, but updates will always take much longer to hack than on the N1. And the lack of a camera flash is downright absurd in 2010.
I believe DNLA support is the source of the tv sharing.
Awesomeness that can be brough to any device with the right developer.
honestly the camera flash is not a factor unless you plan on taking lots of low light pictures (ie. outdoors at night or in a bar).
I've had apps that turn the N1 into a DLNA server, but none that actually took control of the TV. That was sweet. Probably doesn't hurt that the TV was a Samsung too.
mythamp This phone is very nice, performs great, but it's certainly not worth spending an upgrade from the N1. To be honest, my first thought when holding the phone was, "Wow, this phone feel cheap."
It definitely excels at whatever it is designed to do. That said, they left out a lot of stuff (little and big) we N1 users take for granted.
If you're really that itchy for a new phone, I'd at least wait for the G1 Blaze
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If you're really that itchy for a new phone, I'd at least wait for the G1 Blaze
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Indeed! I was slightly itchy for this phone just for the simple fact that I'm getting tired of having to apologize to myself every time the N1 digitizer messes up, but seeing the spy pics of the alleged G1 Blaze have stopped the itch entirely until we see what's up.
I think nexus one is pretty straightforward and clean from massive junk.
The only thing I want from Vibrant is: internal storage.
No camera light is a big minus, but you can expect same thing on all GSM variants.
The Blaze will purportedly max out at 14mbps...not 21.
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the lack of a camera flash is downright absurd in 2010.
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I never really thought I would use an LED flash coming from the iPhone 3gs but I have to say its just one of those things that once you've had one it sets a standard that you can't go backwards and give it up. I love the ability to have a flashlight and to take pictures in places that are too dark for night mode.
How much do you think T-mobile saved by telling Samsung to not include an LED flash? $2 - 4 per phone? Probably alot considering the amount they might sell but still leaving off an LED flash when BOTH Sprint & Verizon versions have one just screams penny pinching to me.
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I never really thought I would use an LED flash coming from the iPhone 3gs but I have to say its just one of those things that once you've had one it sets a standard that you can't go backwards and give it up. I love the ability to have a flashlight and to take pictures in places that are too dark for night mode.
How much do you think T-mobile saved by telling Samsung to not include an LED flash? $2 - 4 per phone? Probably alot considering the amount they might sell but still leaving off an LED flash when BOTH Sprint & Verizon versions have one just screams penny pinching to me.
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I don't think it was a t-mobile decision, none of the four Galaxy S phones have a flash on them (epic/vibrant/captivate/fascinate).
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I don't think it was a t-mobile decision, none of the four Galaxy S phones have a flash on them (epic/vibrant/captivate/fascinate).
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You a great man JCopernicus
I think the Epic and Fascinate both have LED flash's. Lemme check to make sure...
Edit: Yeah Sprint told Samsung to have an LED flash on the Epic - http://androidandme.com/2010/07/carriers/sprint/samsung-epic-4g-spec-sheet-finally-surfaces/
And Verizon told Samsung to include one as well on the Fascinate - http://phandroid.com/samsung-fascinate/#specs
So it was T-mobile that decided not to include the LED flash just to save a few bucks and pinch pennies
I agree with everything you posted - I've got my own N1, and scored a Vibrant just for fun.
It just feels cheap and gimmicky, which is weird, because on paper, it really is a good looking phone.
I hate TouchWiz - too many tweaks that don't really make it any more efficient. The amount of bloatware is insane too. Things it should have: TV out, LED flash.
it does have tv out
Doesnt the Vibrant have 16gb internal storage?
As far as the lack of flash im not for sure if i will miss it. My n1 seems to make everything off color using the flash..........also if i want to take pics Ill use my DSLR.
I havent picked the vibrant up yet. I'm going today to get it and use the 14 buyers remorese time to see if i like it.
I also got a guy wanting to trade a new 32gig Iphone 4 for my N1
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IT has a TV out and a mini usb to HDMI support coming, so you can plug it into a TV and embiggen your screen. The camera and camcorder software is very nice (and quick).
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Yes... good connectivity embiggens the smallest screen
I always have said nexus build quality is above all other phones, especially the galaxy s t-mobile version. Build quality and materials is a big factor for me, if you're paying 500 dollars, you want it to feel like it.
RogerPodacter said:
I always have said nexus build quality is above all other phones, especially the galaxy s t-mobile version. Build quality and materials is a big factor for me, if you're paying 500 dollars, you want it to feel like it.
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I always respect your comments Roger, you speak the truth!
Embiggen.. It's just. fun to say! So played a bit more with the touchwiz, and must say despite its drawbacks, it's growing on me. It has call rejection with text message which I would love. Can we install that? I still can't believe how much nicer the sound is. Bummer is you can only add custom ring tone to contacts in the phone, not, say, a gmail Contact. However the is very good about linking duplicate contacts together automatically. Very nice feature,
So I'm sitting at home patiently waiting for the UPS man to come with my new Vibrant. In my pocket is my beloved Nexus One.
I had a chance to play with a vibrant in a Tmo store and really liked it. Seemed speedier than my N1 in almost every aspect and that screen is just gorgeous!
I'd like to hear from any Nexus One users that jumped ship to the Vibrant. Are you happy with your decision? Any issues?
I'll be side by siding these two beasts for the next 14 days (return period). And only one will stay with me. I'd just like to hear some other peoples experiences.
I find the Vibrant better in every regard. The one thing I miss is how speedy development came to the N1 (for obvious reasons). I (and the developers) are more accustom to HTC phones...
BUT, speed, screen, sound, keyboard, I really like everything better.
Some people complain about a GPS issue, that a lot of us do not have.....
You wont have froyo immediately....
I like how solid the N1 feels in my hand....
those are about the only things I can think of.
I sold my rooted nexus one for this.
The good:
Better screen (WOW) you'll see
Better Speaker
Faster Data Pulling (you'll be surprised how good edge is even )
Better widgets (touchwiz is lovely)
The bad:
doesn't open apps as fast as Nexus
Switching from 3g to Edge takes way longer than the nexus
Battery a tiny bit worse than nexus
Feels horrible compared to the nexus build (the vibrant is cheaply built) PLASTIC
going from screen to screen, you will get a slight jerk... not smooth like launcherpro/ADW or 2.2 Froyo default home
Other than that, this phone is lovely and its a keeper. I'm waiting for a replacement battery. maybe the 3500Mah they had for the nexus one.That will also put some weight on it. it's like a feather now.
I too sold my N1. I did for all the aforementioned reasons plus I really like being able to take the phone instore for warranty issues instead of waiting a week or two for htc to get my phone fix it and ship it back.....
The battery specs on the Vibrant seem WAY better than the N1, but I've been seeing some complaints on battery life. Whats the deal with that? Was Samsung overexerting the standby time?
I'll miss froyo, But once it hits the vibrant I assume it will be BLAZING fast with JIT on the hummingbird. Besides the speed, Flash in the browser kinda sucks anyways on N1 (slow!). So going back to 2.1 wont be a huge loss.
I love my nexus, but its had its issues. I'm currently on my 3rd swap out from HTC due to the screen not working and dust under the digitizer. Hoping I have good luck with the vibrant and its GPS issues.
I guess I'll have to wait and see which wins... I plan on keeping both for a couple of weeks before I decide.
thanks for your opinions!
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Feels horrible compared to the nexus build (the vibrant is cheaply built) PLASTIC
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I beg to differ.. its user preference, I prefer it being lightweight its a lot different than the G1 whereas it feels like a brick. I don't think its a con whatsoever, doesn't feel cheap at all.. check out the videos where they try and "scratch" and damage it. The phone could take a hit.
Just got the Vibrant today, bought the Nexus on the day it was announced. I'm likely sending the Vibrant back and keeping the Nexus. Here are my first impressions:
1: Unbelievably light and, unfortunately, cheap feeling, particularly the buttons (Vol. and on/off). The build quality of the Nexus One feels like it's in an entirely different league here.
2: Nice screen size though my phone will not display a true white or grey. Instead, everything has a cyan/blue tinge. This actually is my biggest issue with the phone right now. The Nexus gives true whites and greys and, even with the brightness all the way up, no true white or gray on the vibrant. Menus, text, market and web pages show this every time I open them - it's driving me nuts.
3: The music app contains a real to life Equalizer and a number of other sound settings. This is one feature I really love and will miss if I send the phone back. Sound quality is very good, though not through the crap headphones Samsung provides. Here again, the quality of the Nexus headphones are noticeably better.
4: Neither the Compass or the GPS work correctly on my phone making the phone useless until a fix is released for what I actually use it most for - Google Places and voice navigation.
5: The image quality of photo's taken with the camera are very good for a phone. Auto weight balance works perfectly under various light sources. Much better than Nexus in this department, though I do miss the flash - which I used mostly as a flashlight!
6: The size feels a little uncomfortable in the hand compared to the Nexus but that's likely just something I have gotten used to.
7: Battery life seems like it will be much better than Nexus.
Anyway, I know the GPS and Compass will be fixed and perhaps I could get used to the flimsy build quality but the screen is a deal breaker as I expected it to be superior to the Nexus One. It's not. If I had to guess, I suspect Samsung has used some sort of Polarizing film to reduce glare outside in bright light which is resulting in the blue/cyan tinge.
Sold my Nexus and both docks, got a nice chunk if change and got the Vibrant. Its the best phone out right now IMO.
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tariqgibran said:
Just got the Vibrant today, bought the Nexus on the day it was announced. I'm likely sending the Vibrant back and keeping the Nexus. Here are my first impressions:
1: Unbelievably light and, unfortunately, cheap feeling, particularly the buttons (Vol. and on/off). The build quality of the Nexus One feels like it's in an entirely different league here.
PERSONALLY I don't equate light-weight with cheap...it's very VERY light weight, but it doesn't feel cheaply made to me. The biggest complaint I have about the build quality personally is the "metal" bezel(of course it's plastic). I feel like that will scratch if it's looked at incorrectly. lol. But IMO it doesn't feel cheaply made at all
2: Nice screen size though my phone will not display a true white or grey. Instead, everything has a cyan/blue tinge. This actually is my biggest issue with the phone right now. The Nexus gives true whites and greys and, even with the brightness all the way up, no true white or gray on the vibrant. Menus, text, market and web pages show this every time I open them - it's driving me nuts.
Direct Quote about OLED's that explains the blue tint:
"...since the OLED material used to produce blue light degrades significantly more rapidly than the materials that produce other colors, blue light output will decrease relative to the other colors of light...In order to delay the problem, manufacturers bias the colour balance towards blue so that the display initially has an artificially blue tint, leading to complaints of artificial-looking, over-saturated colors..."
4: Neither the Compass or the GPS work correctly on my phone making the phone useless until a fix is released for what I actually use it most for - Google Places and voice navigation.
This is a problem only SOME units have, and additionally, even if yours DOES have the problem, there's a fix for it here in the forums
6: The size feels a little uncomfortable in the hand compared to the Nexus but that's likely just something I have gotten used to.
I think this depends on the size of your hands. Going from a Touch Pro2 with a 3.6" screen to a 4.3" on the HD2 I didn't like it. It was hard to text on when trying to reach across the screen...but this 4" screen fit perfectly into my hands. It also makes it feel more like a "phone" and not a "pda". I know the Nexus has a 3.7" screen, but like he said, I think you'd get used to it.
7: Battery life seems like it will be much better than Nexus.
Trust me....depends on what you have running and when you have it running lol. This thing will randomly start apps that you never tell it to start(telenav for example) and they'll run in the background for no reason at all lol. I've had situations where with ZERO use....it just sitting idle....after 8 hrs it used up almost 50% of the battery. Darker(blacker) backgrounds help on battery life too. I tested a live wall paper at 100% brightness for 30 mins and a completely black wallpaper at 100% brightness and there was a 100% increase of battery life drain. 4% after 1 half hour vs 2% after 1 half hour(i actually think the same would apply to the nexus one since it's an amoled screen)
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As he stated at the end though, the GPS will soon be fixed(officially that is) by Samsung, and you'll probably have to get used to the feel of it vs the Nexus 1...but I had an opportunity to buy either, and I used both for 1 day, and couldn't put the Vibrant down so I went with it.
Edit: and though not as good as an LED light, because the Vibrant uses SAMOLED the white screens at full brightness are ridiculously bright lol. So if you use one of the screen flash light apps, it'd probably be the brightest...but again, it's not as bright as an LED flash light. But Trust me...it definitely works lol
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As he stated at the end though, the GPS will soon be fixed(officially that is) by Samsung, and you'll probably have to get used to the feel of it vs the Nexus 1...but I had an opportunity to buy either, and I used both for 1 day, and couldn't put the Vibrant down so I went with it.
Edit: and though not as good as an LED light, because the Vibrant uses SAMOLED the white screens at full brightness are ridiculously bright lol. So if you use one of the screen flash light apps, it'd probably be the brightest...but again, it's not as bright as an LED flash light. But Trust me...it definitely works lol
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The screen on the specific Vibrant I received is nowhere near as bright as the Nexus screen, even at full brightness and the cyan/blue tinge is not so subtle. Many are stating that the blue look is normal with OLED's yet neither my Nexus nor my wife's have this problem at all. There is also growing evidence that the Vibrant display is not consistant from phone to phone, with some reporting the blue issue more than others, even when examining four vibrants simultaneously (so this is not just subjective). Thus, don't buy the whole explanation that Samsung added mor blue to counteract future blue degradation over time. I think what those of us with extremely tinged blue screens are experiencing is a quality control issue, plain and simple - perhaps it has something to do with an inconsistency in the SOLED manufacturing process, I don't know. I do know that all OLED's do not have this issue and, apparently, not even all Samsung SOLED Vibrants!
Regarding the "cheap" feel, my volume button rattles when I handle the phone and has no definite "detent" feel. Perhaps mine is unique, but this definitely lends a flimsy feel to the phone, particularly compared to the firm feel of the Nexus buttons. Think I wil return this vibrant and see what a replacement offers as I must have received a dud. To be fair, the Nexus my wife received initially had to be returned due to a quality control issue. I think most of these devices today are at the bleeding edge of manufacturing technology.
I got rid of my 3 week old N1 for the Vibrant, and I have no regrets at all. I'm very much in love with this phone. I think the only major issue with the phone for most is the GPS problems, but Samsung already said they're working on a fix.
Yeah, the phone is very light weight, but as soon as I bought the thick gel case from T-Mo it really did add a great weight to the phone.
I'm a phone whore that switches phones pretty much every time a new phone hits the market, and I've gotta say the Vibrant just might be the best I've ever owned.
I sort of gave up my Nexus One for a Vibrant. My wife wanted my Nexus One because T-Mobile still doesn't have a good phone for photographs (Vibrant included).
I had just gotten her a MT3G Slide, so I trade it back to them for the Vibrant.
So far, the only thing I have to complain about is the lack of a Camera flash, it completely hinders the camera in most lighting situations after 6PM EST, haha.
Also, the body does feel cheaply constructed. The Nexus One had the most solid design of any phone I have ever owned or held in my hand.
I miss my N1, but the Vibrant is a GREAT alternative. I can say I love this phone, and most of that love is coming from the BEAUTIFUL screen.
I had a Nexus, and my wife had a MyTouch. She was wanting to upgrade, so we decided that I would get a Vibrant, and she would get my Nexus. We have since given away the MyTouch.
I have to say, at first, I was LOVING my Vibrant! it was incredible! The screen, and benchmarks spoke for themselves! Heck, I was even able to ditch a couple of mediocre apps for the pre-installed apps!
I've had my Vibrant for...17 days now. I've NEVER had any luck with the GPS, although it is handy for a game called "The Great Land Grab", since I can now buy land in states and countries I've never even been to before! (I bought a piece of land in CHINA!!! WOOT!) I've tried ALL of the fixes posted here at XDA and elsewhere. All of them seemed to help, but then I realized it was mostly a placebo effect. "742 people said this fix worked perfectly! It's gotta fix my GPS! Hey, it only took 17 minutes this time! YAY! It's all better!" Coming from a long line of HTC phones (G1, MyTouch, Nexus), I've come to expect good GPS performance, and I use maps and nav a LOT. (Well, I used to) I'm extremely disappointed in this, to the point that I will never buy another Samsung phone again.
The screen is AMAZING! The picture quality is intense, and it displays video so fluidly! I can't say enough good things about how beautiful it is! The screen difference is .4 inches, but it looks and feels like it's HUGE in comparison. I've never seen a screen on a cell phone that can show as deep black as this. If you set your phone up poroperly, you can have it on, but not be able to tell (ADW.Launcher/black wallpaper/no status bar/no icons/empty dock/dock open - Looks amazing!) It's such a nice display!
The phone SHOULD be WAY faster. the specs make the Nexus look old and dated. Of course, when you're used to touching an app shortcut, and it just HAPPENS, a 2-10 second lag seems like FOREVER! There are some MAJOR design flaws in the Vibrant, such as the 16 gig internal storage. It's a class 6, yes, but it's got VERY serious i/o issues, so almost everything that calls on the resources on it stalls and lags. (You'll see TONS of people who say there's no lag, but most of those people came from a dated phone, like a G1 or MyTouch. It's WAY faster than any of the older generation 1 or generation 2 phones, but it's painfully slow when you're used to the powerhouse known as Nexus. (2 seconds doesn't sound long, until you're trying to show off your phone, and you feel the need to explain that "it takes a second or two to load up, but when it does..." and you have TIME to explain that to someone while you wait. It's not nearly as snappy or responsive as it should be, considering this is a flagship device with specs to make most phones look like crap. SUPPOSEDLY, this phone is more powerful than a PSP, but the design flaws make it perform more like an NES. Once it gets going, it's GREAT, but it's the getting it up and running that sucks.
The phone does feel lighter, and cheaper, but it depends on your point of view if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I personally prefer the feel of the Nexus, because it feels more solid.
The loudspeaker on the Vibrant is WAY better than the speaker on the Nexus, although I have to think it something to do with the "hollow-ish" phone back echoing the sound, and therefore amplifying it somewhat, but I haven't tried a direct comparison with the phone backs off.
The Vibrant out-performs most phones on the market in terms of benchmark scores (linpak not included) however, if you were to perform a side-by side comparison of getting those benchmarks loaded up, you would likely have no doubt that the Vibrant is considerably slower. (I'm talking of the latest generation of 1ghz phones, like Nexus, DroidX, and EVO)
If the GPS (and compass, which is HOPELESSLY broken) and lag issues could be resolved, I think the Vibrant could be a contender as possibly the best phone on the planet, but in it's current form, it feels a lot like that funky cousin you try to avoid at family reunions. "Well, he came from a great family, and he's really smart, but he's just a bit off...I mean, look at him, he's pouring his soda into his shoes!"
Overall, I think in it's current state, the Vibrant can't hold a candle to the Nexus, and depending on the I/O issues, it may NEVER compare, but if they can get it running better, and make everything WORK, it will make the Nexus feel like a G1.
My choice for best phone: Nexus
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4: Neither the Compass or the GPS work correctly on my phone making the phone useless until a fix is released for what I actually use it most for - Google Places and voice navigation.
This is a problem only SOME units have, and additionally, even if yours DOES have the problem, there's a fix for it here in the forums
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You sound like a PR rep for samsung, not an actual end user. It's comments and sentiments like these that make forums useless for researching products. Too many people bitterly rationalizing bad purchases.
As an owner of a Vibrant I'm probably returning mine, after waiting the full 14 days to see if Samsung would at least indicate that they're working on any sort of fix. They finally started talking about the GPS, but there is no mention of the compass problem yet and I suspect it will remain broken.
The sick part is there are so many people new to android that they don't even realize how broken the compass is. Try using Layar, wikitude, anything related to augmented reality or positional awareness and you'll realize how useless it is.
If you don't care about fancy augmented reality/positional awareness applications or GPS working properly then the vibrant is a great phone.
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"Well, he came from a great family, and he's really smart, but he's just a bit off...I mean, look at him, he's pouring his soda into his shoes!"
Overall, I think in it's current state, the Vibrant can't hold a candle to the Nexus, and depending on the I/O issues, it may NEVER compare, but if they can get it running better, and make everything WORK, it will make the Nexus feel like a G1.
My choice for best phone: Nexus
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Thanks, you made gave me a good laugh today.
+1 on everything you said.
hollabax said:
You sound like a PR rep for samsung, not an actual end user. It's comments and sentiments like these that make forums useless for researching products. Too many people bitterly rationalizing bad purchases.
As an owner of a Vibrant I'm probably returning mine, after waiting the full 14 days to see if Samsung would at least indicate that they're working on any sort of fix. They finally started talking about the GPS, but there is no mention of the compass problem yet and I suspect it will remain broken.
The sick part is there are so many people new to android that they don't even realize how broken the compass is. Try using Layar, wikitude, anything related to augmented reality or positional awareness and you'll realize how useless it is.
If you don't care about fancy augmented reality/positional awareness applications or GPS working properly then the vibrant is a great phone.
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Just out of curiosity, are the GPS and Compass interrelated somehow such that a GPS fix would fix the compass? OR, is there distinct hardware functions that control the two independently?
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Just out of curiosity, are the GPS and Compass interrelated somehow such that a GPS fix would fix the compass? OR, is there distinct hardware functions that control the two independently?
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Last I heard, they think the compass is what breaks the gps, according to Tmo and Samsung. Which worries me, because a compass is just a floating magnet. If it's hardware broken, and that's what breaks gps, there may be NO way to fix it. ):
I really hope I'm wrong.
I'd like to thank Swype for all of my typos.
my GPS works fine.....I dont use compass and never did. Gave my Nexus to GF and using Vibrant. While there are many improvement to be made, its MUCH better then Nexus when it was released (I had 3 replacements, all 3 had: 3g issues, light sensor issues, pink camera, and crappy touchscreen....phone was almost useless, but after 3rd party ROMs, Nexus became a good phone with many flaws fixed)
yeah, compass seems to be ****ed, just checked. will compare to Nexus today. ps. navigation-wise I checked both and they seemed to perform the same.
read that compass is software issue and should be fixed. i think its fair to say that we ALL need to give Samsung a chance to fix issues. so far there was no update to Vibrant and it WILL come end of September....maybe October....
and its gonna be a pretty damn big update, not only we get fixes for bugs and possibly more add-ons (features) to Touchwiz, we are also getting a Froyo !
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I had a Nexus, and my wife had a MyTouch. She was wanting to upgrade, so we decided that I would get a Vibrant, and she would get my Nexus. We have since given away the MyTouch.
I have to say, at first, I was LOVING my Vibrant! it was incredible! The screen, and benchmarks spoke for themselves! Heck, I was even able to ditch a couple of mediocre apps for the pre-installed apps!
I've had my Vibrant for...17 days now. I've NEVER had any luck with the GPS, although it is handy for a game called "The Great Land Grab", since I can now buy land in states and countries I've never even been to before! (I bought a piece of land in CHINA!!! WOOT!) I've tried ALL of the fixes posted here at XDA and elsewhere. All of them seemed to help, but then I realized it was mostly a placebo effect. "742 people said this fix worked perfectly! It's gotta fix my GPS! Hey, it only took 17 minutes this time! YAY! It's all better!" Coming from a long line of HTC phones (G1, MyTouch, Nexus), I've come to expect good GPS performance, and I use maps and nav a LOT. (Well, I used to) I'm extremely disappointed in this, to the point that I will never buy another Samsung phone again.
The screen is AMAZING! The picture quality is intense, and it displays video so fluidly! I can't say enough good things about how beautiful it is! The screen difference is .4 inches, but it looks and feels like it's HUGE in comparison. I've never seen a screen on a cell phone that can show as deep black as this. If you set your phone up poroperly, you can have it on, but not be able to tell (ADW.Launcher/black wallpaper/no status bar/no icons/empty dock/dock open - Looks amazing!) It's such a nice display!
The phone SHOULD be WAY faster. the specs make the Nexus look old and dated. Of course, when you're used to touching an app shortcut, and it just HAPPENS, a 2-10 second lag seems like FOREVER! There are some MAJOR design flaws in the Vibrant, such as the 16 gig internal storage. It's a class 6, yes, but it's got VERY serious i/o issues, so almost everything that calls on the resources on it stalls and lags. (You'll see TONS of people who say there's no lag, but most of those people came from a dated phone, like a G1 or MyTouch. It's WAY faster than any of the older generation 1 or generation 2 phones, but it's painfully slow when you're used to the powerhouse known as Nexus. (2 seconds doesn't sound long, until you're trying to show off your phone, and you feel the need to explain that "it takes a second or two to load up, but when it does..." and you have TIME to explain that to someone while you wait. It's not nearly as snappy or responsive as it should be, considering this is a flagship device with specs to make most phones look like crap. SUPPOSEDLY, this phone is more powerful than a PSP, but the design flaws make it perform more like an NES. Once it gets going, it's GREAT, but it's the getting it up and running that sucks.
The phone does feel lighter, and cheaper, but it depends on your point of view if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I personally prefer the feel of the Nexus, because it feels more solid.
The loudspeaker on the Vibrant is WAY better than the speaker on the Nexus, although I have to think it something to do with the "hollow-ish" phone back echoing the sound, and therefore amplifying it somewhat, but I haven't tried a direct comparison with the phone backs off.
The Vibrant out-performs most phones on the market in terms of benchmark scores (linpak not included) however, if you were to perform a side-by side comparison of getting those benchmarks loaded up, you would likely have no doubt that the Vibrant is considerably slower. (I'm talking of the latest generation of 1ghz phones, like Nexus, DroidX, and EVO)
If the GPS (and compass, which is HOPELESSLY broken) and lag issues could be resolved, I think the Vibrant could be a contender as possibly the best phone on the planet, but in it's current form, it feels a lot like that funky cousin you try to avoid at family reunions. "Well, he came from a great family, and he's really smart, but he's just a bit off...I mean, look at him, he's pouring his soda into his shoes!"
Overall, I think in it's current state, the Vibrant can't hold a candle to the Nexus, and depending on the I/O issues, it may NEVER compare, but if they can get it running better, and make everything WORK, it will make the Nexus feel like a G1.
My choice for best phone: Nexus
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I had the nexus, and already I've had more problems with the nexus than I did the Vibrant, it's by far faster and more usable. I LOVED my Nexus, but still..seeing all the things wrong with it I definitely like the Vibrant better. True multitouch, super crisp clear screen where even Avatar looks like you're watching it in stereoscopic 3D. Everything has been superb. The GPS problem is a given and I read up before I bought. Still more satisfied, an yes battery life is better as I could never get a "full" days use out of my Nexus even with everything turned off.
I know the two devices' internals are extremely similar, but I'm strongly considering getting the G2 anyway. I'm just having a hard time fully commiting to justifying the purchase even though I really, really want it, haha.
What do you think? Are the pros and cons for this upgrade a worthwhile endeavor?
Here's what I'm thinking so far:
Pros:
The Adreno 205 GPU, supposedly 4 to 5 times more powerful than the N1's: http://gizmodo.com/5633855/g2s-benchmarks-show-that-despite-processor-speed-it-should-be-fast
Flash Hardware Acceleration, which apparently the N1 cannot do (wtf? really?) (see "Adreno 205 features": http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...t-compare-to-other-gpus/page__pid__65#entry65 )
Lower clock speed CPU (800 MHz) vs the N1's 1 GHz, yet the same performance (or better). This, along with the last point = possibly better battery life?
Better multitouch panel (no axes flipping). Would be good for those multitouch games, which I've mostly avoided with the N1
No screen miscalibration issues (having to turn screen off to fix)
Optical trackpad rather than trackball = longer life / won't get dirty / break.
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HSDPA+!!! For faster 3G, or "4G" even!
Much more internal space for apps etc (4GB on the G2 vs 512MB on the N1)
(Hopefully) the soft button weirdness is fixed (ie the pressure points on the N1's soft buttons aren't directly on the button labels)
Wifi Calling Possibly? http://phandroid.com/2010/09/27/t-mobile-g2-to-feature-wi-fi-calling-but-no-tethering/
Cons:
Slower Google Updates since the N1 will still be the developer phone and the T-Mobile G2 won't be
The G2 will be a bulkier and heavier device
Optical trackpad = no trackball notifications [Edit 9/30]: --> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUrxJg_TwQ !!!!!!!
Cost / inconvenience of switching devices (my contract ends in March 2011 so I'd buy off-contact and re-sell my N1 to cover the cost)
Small screen; I'd really like a 4" screen, preferably a Super AMOLED. Sticking with 3.7" is a downer. And there's always some better device on the nearby horizon. However, one with Stock Android is going to be rare, is it not?
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No FM Radio, HDMI-Out, or Front-Facing Camera (not that the N1 has these, but surely other phones coming out a month or two after the G2 might)
And then there's the keyboard, which at this point I consider neither a positive nor a negative. I've grown accustomed to an on-screen keyboard (Swype) on my N1, and I'm not really that heavy of a texter anyway. So it could be amazing to have a physical keyboard again (I had the G1 previously), or I might ignore it and hate the added weight/bulk.
What do you think? Is this a worthwhile upgrade? Any other pros or cons that I'm missing?
i want one, but to justify it like u said is hard. The N1 is still IMO one of the top phones out even after all these other phones. I will keep mine for some time. Since I never upgraded with my N1 I will buy my wife the G2 since shes coming from the Cliq. They just got 2.1. She will enjoy the bigger screen, flash for the cam, and flash/ 2.2 and she has to have a keyboard.
Will there be a N2 or a phone the google will call there N1 in the future? Thats what I wait for. There is no way Im selling my N1 either
N1 to Vibrant or G2 or what?
I had the misfortune of having my N1 "go away" (don't ask) and I ended up going for a Vibrant as the "next best thing" -- but have since been feeling left out of the Android game (I'm an Android developer, as well) and have been looking at the G2 with some interest.
I've pretty much decided to wait. The N1 is still the phone of choise for developers, ROM cookers, and modders. Part of it is because it's great hardware, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's the closest thing to the Android code base. It will always get the first updates, it will always get a more stable platform, and it's pretty much the phone that Android itself is coded for/on. Every google employee has one (or at least had one at one point), including the google devs. And I think it will be that way until google either launches another phone, or has an intimate connection to a specific phone (maybe even on a specific carrier.) That's the phone I'm waiting for. And hopefully my Vibrant will catch up a bit with the custom ROMs and I can go back to "pure" stock Android. Not into my Android looking so much like iOS.
The N1 and the G2 are great phones, and I think they'll be at the top of the pile for a while longer, but they won't be forever. And I'm just waiting to see where the next next generation phone shows up.
Just sharing my thoughts, not really looking for debate on my points.
My biggie would have to be INTERNAL SPACE. This is a major flaw in the nexus. I can't even install sense like roms along with my necessary apps because of this.
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I had the misfortune of having my N1 "go away" (don't ask) and I ended up going for a Vibrant as the "next best thing" -- but have since been feeling left out of the Android game (I'm an Android developer, as well) and have been looking at the G2 with some interest.
I've pretty much decided to wait. The N1 is still the phone of choise for developers, ROM cookers, and modders. Part of it is because it's great hardware, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's the closest thing to the Android code base. It will always get the first updates, it will always get a more stable platform, and it's pretty much the phone that Android itself is coded for/on. Every google employee has one (or at least had one at one point), including the google devs. And I think it will be that way until google either launches another phone, or has an intimate connection to a specific phone (maybe even on a specific carrier.) That's the phone I'm waiting for. And hopefully my Vibrant will catch up a bit with the custom ROMs and I can go back to "pure" stock Android. Not into my Android looking so much like iOS.
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If you're a developer, wouldn't it make more sense to stick with N1 instead of the Galaxy? Even with Gingerbread/3.0 coming out soon (read: Nov/Dec) the N1 is still pure Android supposedly be able to run 3.0 as well.
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My biggie would have to be INTERNAL SPACE. This is a major flaw in the nexus. I can't even install sense like roms along with my necessary apps because of this.
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How many necessary apps do you require? I was able to install the Sense ROM from these forums without issues.
One in particular is a space hog for corporate email "Good for Enterprise" takes up well over 35mb on a slow day and it contains widgets so i cant move it to SD.
Did you go through all HTC apps and move them to SD card?
Either way to most internal space i have even now on cm6 is 30mb, internal space on the nexus is horrible.
@fnirt: Yeah you're right; I forgot to mention that the N1 will probably have more support from XDA etc than the G2. Although... Cyanogen, THE man himself, is actually purchasing a G2... So who knows, maybe the G2 will gain just as much support from the community as the N1?
@gkaugustine: Ah yes, I didn't even consider internal space. The N1 has 512 MB of space for apps while the G2 has 4 GB? Wow, good jump. Although I can't say I have trouble with this since I use the Apps2SD feature of CyanogenMod6 to move all my large apps.
Oh yeah! HSDPA+!!
Well, I didn't even think about this until you mentioned it...no trackball alerts?
There better be some blinking (and I mean every 2 seconds, not the idiotic one every 15 seconds we had at the launch of the nexus) led notification.
Otherwise it's a dealbreaker for me.
But if they're right about flash being hardware accelerated...I'm intrigued, for the first time. (I don't care about gaming because the only time I find myself having TIME to game, I'm already home and my PS3 with Wipeout HD are right there).
Honeslty Paul I wouldn't upgrade until you know that there are no GPS issues like the galaxy phones and other issues which may not be apparent until later.
IMO, the Nexus One is still the most complete package of a phone.
Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
Honeslty Paul I wouldn't upgrade until you know that there are no GPS issues like the galaxy phones and other issues which may not be apparent until later.
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Yeah, I'm definitely not going to pre-order the G2. I want to at least play with it in store (unlike I did with the N1, though that was a HUGE jump from the G1, so it didn't matter as much).
Also, because my upgrade date is 6 months away, I actually can't pre-order haha.
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Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
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I realize that, and I am already starting to worry about my Nexus's trackball becoming dirty/sticky and I have no idea how I'm gonna replace it. I'm all for trackpads, but having no dedicated LED light like on the iPhone or the Galaxy S phones is totally a dealbreaker for me. I don't want to have to grab my phone to know I have a message. Do you know if the G2 will have one?
But I like the idea, IF true, that it will hardware accelerate Flash, because more and more sites are starting to have higher quality videos which get choppy on the Nexus, and that's unfortunate, since one of my regular bashing points on the iPhone is the lack of flash.
Does anyone have the internal spec sheet on the G2? im interested to know where the radio antenna is installed.
I love my trackball... especially when I had my sidekick 3 and it had trackball notifications. Awesome and convinient.
I would hold off... I have a full upgrade with tmobile and I'm holding off for a bigger screen, front facing camera, and other gingerbread goodies to come next year.
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I realize that, and I am already starting to worry about my Nexus's trackball becoming dirty/sticky and I have no idea how I'm gonna replace it. I'm all for trackpads, but having no dedicated LED light like on the iPhone or the Galaxy S phones is totally a dealbreaker for me. I don't want to have to grab my phone to know I have a message. Do you know if the G2 will have one?
But I like the idea, IF true, that it will hardware accelerate Flash, because more and more sites are starting to have higher quality videos which get choppy on the Nexus, and that's unfortunate, since one of my regular bashing points on the iPhone is the lack of flash.
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I'm sure that at the very least it has a charging light, that can be hacked. I've also heard for other phones of people looking into hacking one of the 4 soft buttons, so that the backlight on one of them acts in a similar manner to our trackball notification.
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I love my trackball... especially when I had my sidekick 3 and it had trackball notifications. Awesome and convinient.
I would hold off... I have a full upgrade with tmobile and I'm holding off for a bigger screen, front facing camera, and other gingerbread goodies to come next year.
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Ah yes, I forgot about the front-facing camera feature. Buying a new phone without it makes me pause... Though to be honest I would never, ever use it, but it's just a point so that iphoners can't brag about it to me.
Trackball alerts are great, but a poor alternative may be the Blinker app. It uses the charging LED for notifications, so you only have a few options (orange, green, blue), but with rate combinations...
I'm thinking about a new phone for my wife, and there's not many Androids with keyboards.
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Just a heads up. There is a led notification at the top right of the phone that Does appear to blink. Also, a lot of people are saying the ring around the trackpad lights up. So we'll see.
I just sold my N1 for $400 and pre-ordered the G2.
What sealed the deal for me:
4GB internal memory
720p recording - I know the N1 has it hacked, but it was always slow for me.
Dedicated GPU
Flash Acceleration
No multi-touch/screen positioning issues - This was a big one for me
HSPA+
Keyboard - I text a lot :\
What I'll miss:
Fast updates
Crazy dev support
Beautiful styling
Noise-canceling
AMOLED display - G2 uses STFT.
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I'm just having a hard time fully commiting to justifying the purchase even though I really, really want it, haha.
What do you think? Are the pros and cons for this upgrade a worthwhile endeavor?
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I really hope we don't lose you Paul since your one of my favorite guys here on Xda. I've thought about getting the G2 before as well but it just isn't a big enough upgrade for me to justify it.
I would def wait for something better. You just KNOW something will come in the next 2 months.
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Yep, no trackball alerts. Though I think the trackball as we know it will soon be phased out of all phones forever (in favor of trackpads), so you can pretty much kiss that feature goodbye. In addition to trackballs getting dirty and eventually trackball failure, it's probably cheaper in the long run for the manufacturer due to less support and fewer phone replacements.
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They could, and should think about doing a light halo around the trackpad like around the button on the touch pro... (obviously it should be a RGB one, not just plain white leds)
Even better let it have segments (like an xbox...)
HTC... gimme a job!
Oh yeah, I also forgot the soft button weirdness on the N1. I've always found that it works better to tap above the white labels than directly on them. Hopefully the G2 has this fixed.
Trackball alerts are great, but a poor alternative may be the Blinker app. It uses the charging LED for notifications, so you only have a few options (orange, green, blue), but with rate combinations...
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Where do you get the Blinker app?
http://www.appbrain.com/search?q=blinker -- No "Blinker" app exists?
I just sold my N1 for $400 and pre-ordered the G2.
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Just a random question: what are you using in the meantime? I'd be without an Android phone.
What I'll miss:
Beautiful styling
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Well, take a look at the G2's back and wow-wow-wow. That brushed aluminum is downright beautiful. Picture here: http://www.engadget.com/photos/t-mobile-g2-preview-hands-on/#3410970
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I really hope we don't lose you Paul since your one of my favorite guys here on Xda. I've thought about getting the G2 before as well but it just isn't a big enough upgrade for me to justify it.
I would def wait for something better. You just KNOW something will come in the next 2 months.
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Ah, thanks
There definitely will be better devices around the corner, which is what kills me. However, how many of them will have Stock Android *and* get the massive community support that the G2 will get (especially since Cyanogen is literally purchasing one himself)?
Blinker:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744138
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I have prepared this thread to help myself and others compare and contrast the different phones and hopefully come to a decision here. If anyone has anything to add to the comparison that I have missed, please list it and we can get it all chocked up.
For the record. I have only listed something as a "Disadvantage" if I believe that the category is below what we would expect of the average Android.
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Battery Life - This is a big thing for me. I can make my vibrant last through a 14 hour day by crippling every single possible feature. But people here are saying that the Atrix runs solid though 30 hour periods. This is a huge plus for me.
Higher Resolution (even if its fake) - Even though this resolution is fake and can actually cause text to blur, I can say first-hand that I saw the screen in action at a local wal-mart and found it to be acceptable by my standards. I think it may help overall with browsing. The GS2 has a larger screen size, and no pentile matrix display, which could possibly be considered better. This is one that may work out to be a tie.
Tegra 2 - I list this as an advantage not because it is faster, the various benchmarks for either processor seem to be inconclusive at this point. I am listing it as an advantage because it has its own series of games optimized specifically for it, and because Google has chosen to build their framework around tegra 2.
Webtop - I am initially hesitant to even mention this. The phone has a webtop environment, it is most likely Debian Linux and it is said to also be very sluggish. If, in the future, devs gain access to this environment and find ways to optimize it and add in worthy apps such as Chrome and open office, then this will be a massive advantage, but right now it is pretty much just a gimmick.
The webtop interface retains its session when you disconnect it. So you can plug the phone back into another dock and go right back to what you were doing. This is one of the good things about webtop.
Laptop Dock - We all know it is hideously overpriced right now and maybe in the future a cheaper solution will be available. But regardless of how you get the dock, it is an advantage to run your apps in full screen, even if you don't use the sluggish webtop interface and firefox.
The dock charges your phone, but plays sound through your atrix speakers, it has no speakers of it's own, you can answer calls by removing the phone, picking it up on bluetooth or by just yelling at it from behind the laptop. The phone retains its session when you remove it and there is no special unmounting procedure, you just grab it and run.
GALAXY S2
Screen - Bright beautiful and extremely rich. Those who have seen the screen firsthand have claimed that there is nothing like it at all and that it is miles above even the old Super Amoled display. The 4.3 inch size is also a bonus for those of us with large hands. This is probably the best overall feature of the Galaxy S2.
Camera - 8 Megapixels, and 2 megapixel front facing camera. People say that megapixels don't really matter in the long run but the Atrix camera is also said to have a purple wash to it and that the video can be splotchy in certain situations.
Design - Even though it looks way too much like the iPhone, this phone actually looks exceptionally nice. I like the three button design much better than the 4, the search button is pretty useless overall. The thinness of this phone is also amazing if you are into that sort of thing. Naturally it may come down to the US carriers to ruin the design, but by it will likely be summer before that happens.
32GB internal storage - Expect to pay for it, but it is there, you get 64 gigs total with this phone.
Gingerbread - The Atrix won't likely get gingerbread until at least this summer, this phone will have it much sooner if you get the international version coming sometime this quarter.
Gyroscope - This phone has it, do any apps support it? Not sure, but it is there.
NFC - In the off chance that any stores upgrade to NFC this year, you will have the ability to use it. NFC may have other uses that we haven't envisioned yet. It is a protocol, so it can be applied to just about anything. You could potentially set it up to unlock your home, cars could start with it, whatever.
So it has a lot of potential use other than having your money stolen from you.
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ATRIX
Bootloader - To sum it up for those not familiar, the phone can be rooted, a custom ROM can be flashed, but the kernel cannot be altered at all. (someone will likely correct me here) but if part or all of the webtop code is contained in the kernel somehow it will be difficult to alter it to add new software or make it run more efficiently. This would be a terrible shame.
I can tell you that Team Whiskey has made my Vibrant browse faster than I have seen in Atrix videos, with half the memory and a single core processor. It is scary to think of what this phone could actually accomplish if Moto decided to allow it.
Motoblur - I read that this requires you to sign up for an account before you can even use the phone. I find it alarming that Motorola has decided to help themselves to all this information and it makes me wonder just exactly what they really have access to and why.
Crippled FM radio - WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY. All of these phones have both transmitters and receivers for FM. So can someone tell me why in god's name anyone would disable them? FM radio has many more uses than just listening to local stations and why again should I have to burn my limited data on
internet radio when there is a receiver right in my phone?
GALAXY S2
Heat - My current Galaxy S runs very hot already, if the screen is active while the phone is being charged it will heat up to what seems to be a very dangerous temperature. The pre-release Galaxy S2 was said to be scorching hot after running with the screen on and the charger active.
Fail File System, Hideous and crippling lag - Update: the galaxy S2 is said to not use RFS. Chock one up for Samsung.
Updates - Samsung has a horrible reputation for updates when working with US carriers, even for new phones. If it was not for this community I would have likely given up on Android and Samsung altogether. Although I know that part of the update delay has been t-mobile, it is also in Samsung's interests to ship out new phones instead of updating their old ones.
Battery Life I have a feeling that Samsung tried to push the limits to get their phone to be as thin as possible and I am worried that they have done so at the expense of battery life. We won't know for sure until it gets in people's hands but I expect the battery life to be subpar.
NO HID Bluetooth Support (possibly) - I have had a black wiimote sitting here for 6 months waiting to connect to my Vibrant. I love emulated classics but action games are near impossible to play with the on-screen kb. So if you want this feature, I would make sure that the GS2 has it first, because it is not likely that it will.
Availability - What it really comes down to now. Unless you want to shell out over 1000 for the phone, you will probably need to wait 5 months from now for any kind of US availability this summer. And don't doubt that those versions will become crippled and even more bloated in the process. But again there is no locked bootloader here.
Ok I think that covers it. Having written all this down, I think I am really leaning more toward the Atrix. There just doesn't seem to be anything else out there now that will be able to match it at the moment. And as you can see, our experience with Samsung has not been exceptional.
Good comparison there. I am also looking at the exact 2 models and thank you very much, looks like Atrix will too be my choice.
I guess I'll get the atrix laptop dock too and prays for the devs here to make it all better. Otherwise, I think its still a good piece of hardware I don't mind owning.
""Samsung's dual-core, Gingerbread-powered Galaxy S II has appeared on Play.co.uk alongside a tentative SIM-free price and release date. According to Play, which is currently taking pre-orders for the phone, it'll ship Mar. 31 for £599.99 (~$960). Pre-release prices are never guaranteed to be accurate and are always subject to change, but £599 seams like a realistic price point for the Galaxy S II, as it's slightly higher than current single-core offerings from other manufacturers.""
Just published at androidcentral. £599.99 (~$960)?? Get a grip..
Not bad, just a couple of things to note that I thought of while reading. First, the screen resolution can be arguable considering the Pentile screen that the Atrix uses. That gives the SGS2 more sub pixels, but then it's a bigger screen, so less (I believe) pixel density still... it's really kind of a toss up, but I think they will both look great. I think the lower resolution and bigger screen on the SGS2 will look just fine with the full 3 subpixels per pixel.
Also, the SGS2 looks nothing like an iPhone. I wish people would stop saying that about every phone that comes out. Apparently every square black phone with a screen is an iPhone now.
And also it's been reported that the SGS2 does not use RFS.
The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The updates aren't really an issue for people who visit sites like this. I would never rely on Samsung to update my phone. My Captivate has been running 2.2 for ages while they just released the update for everyone else. Yes, Samsung sucks at updating, but the hacking community will always get it done regardless.
I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I wouldn't mind if the buttons were hardware, thats another debate. I just want all four of them!
The back button is beyond crucial. Maybe back and home should be two hardware with the other capacitive? For symmetry, obviously a concern for samsung .
I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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King Shady said:
I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
SGS2 is apparently RFS-free. Also, some versions will have Tegra2 instead of Exynos - hope this includes us.
People knock Samsung's plastic designs, but they're actually a lot harder to break than the "well-built" iPhone 4.
Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
By looking at my signature, you can see that I just got the Atrix as well, and I love the phone. Amazingly fast, awesome screen (love the higher density and the effect itbhas on the overall experience), and the battery is pretty good too.
I'm seriously thinking about buying the laptop dock, but I don't know how well that will perform, and I haven't seen any live videos of it.
I really like the design and specs of the GS 2, but there are a lot of possible problems holding me back....
Rooted/ROM Captivate (For Sale)
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Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
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Thanks a lot, bro.
I am no engineer and I can't build tools. But I can put a few thoughts together and provide someone with some information.
This is an amazing community and what people do here is outstanding, I just want to do what I can to add to that.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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S2 looks like meizu m9
I have both and a Galaxy S 2 on order
Why? I really liked the Captivate. My plan was to use both but the Atrix is so much more fun to use I'm selling the Captivate. Well, maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday after I removed the SIM card and replaced it, the Atrix went bonkers with freezes and instability issues. After numerous soft resets, two factory resets and replacing the SIM card, SD card and battery a couple of times it seems to be back to normal. I suspect I had reinserted the SIM card incorrectly but maybe there was another issue.
So why would I pay $1000 for the Galaxy S 2? The Captivate was that much fun. Although I'm sure we will be able to do more custom rom's shortly on the Atrix, the Galaxy S 2 sounds like an even bigger blast than either. And boy oh boy does that LG 3D look interesting. But you have to draw the line somewhere.
Here is what the Atrix has that the Captivate does not:
1-better graphics and screen quality, dynamic and vivid visuals, a joy to read and watch (text as well as video quality is sharp and crisp, very clear)
2-more interactive features with outside devices (i.e. computers)
3-interacts more efficiently with e mail, voice and text programs (really like the way it handles multiple incoming calls especially when you are already on one-notification, instructions and directions for handling)(I can now actually use Excel spreadsheets and Word documents) (works well with contacts)
4-updated browser can handle more types of video content and pop up windows better
5-it feels better when you hold and talk or watch or do most anything with it (I did make one call and even though I could hear the other party clearly they could not hear me-I do not what happened.)
My friends all tell me I should get an iphone. I had one for years and the Androids are far more fun. I'll never return. I don't think. LG 3D anyone?
I think Tegra2 is actually a disadvantage for Atrix 4G.
As a new generation dualcore processor, it's early, but not strong.
It's video playback ability of H.264 is limited, but H.264 is currently the most frequently played format.
It has no neon support, big loss on processing power.
Till now Tegra2 has not proven itself in Graphics power. In benchmarks it's no superior to Hummingbird.
However the performance of Mali400MP on GS2 is also questionable, so just wait and see...
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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King Shady said:
The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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See, I don't understand that. There is far less plastic on the Captivate than the majority of the phones out there. The front is all glass, and the back is mostly metal. It's only the top and bottom on the back that are plastic, and they have both felt very solid to me since I got the phone on launch day. I came from an iPhone 4 as well, and granted nothing compares to the iPhone 4 in build quality, the Captivate definitely doesn't seem bad at all to me.
As long as you're happy with what you have now though, that's what matters. I just think the Inspire is a bit of a waste of money considering it's lack of power compared to all the other phones coming out now. It feels like it's last generation still. I did play with it a little at the AT&T store though, and it seemed nice. If it had come out last summer with the Captivate (even if it didn't have 4G), I might have gotten it. Now I'm going to wait until a dual core offering I like though.