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Just asking if anyone has attempted to flash the "Google" phones with a Windows mobile rom yet? Is it possible. Is anyone looking into it?
No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
I 100% agree with lbcoder,
why oh why would you want to flash it with a Windows Mobile OS ...
Oh FFS!!! WM on a sapphire....Android on a TD....WTF is wrong with you people??
You want one, buy it. you want the other, buy that. personally, after many years of WM, having been using android pretty much exclusively since i recieved a proto magic in early feb, i have no intention of going back!!
By the way....Nice to see you finally stopped trolling and started posting Jedi!
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The Numnuts
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missing the point
you guys are a little hard on the OP, a site like xda is all about getting android to run on winmo device and vice versa!
Hi,
I think that it could be very hard to use winmo in an android device. Android requires some specific hardware and I'm pretty sure, trying this, could be the better way to brick the phone :/
The bootloader isn't made for this... But maybe, it's possible anyway. Like the exploit to run debian over android (without changing anything). The limits of this system will surely be that android doesn't use a real X server (If I've well understand it uses some kind of framebuffer light X).
And to rejoin other voices... WHY, GOD WHY?!?
..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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This is true, besides a heap of drivers would need to be coded aswell.
If you want a Windows Mobile phone we can trade, you have my HTC Diamond with WinMo 6.5 and I'll have your HTC Magic
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No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
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totally agree!
I'm pretty sure it's possible... Nothing is impossible. After all it is a "normal" phone with a Qualcomm chipset (The same as in several HTC phones + Xperia X1). Isn't Windows Phone (?) 7 supposed to support capacitive screens?
WM has more applications, thats one big reason. Its like comparing Windows with OS X, just because you got a Mac doesnt meen you want OS X. People buy stuff because they look good and at first dont think about what software they are going to use.
You cant run Age Of Empire or Duke Nukem on Android, etc.
If all you want is CRAP, but if you want crap, you should buy crap. There is no reason to buy this device when you want something different.
And no, it is not possible because of a lack of compatible drivers, and just because there are a few similar features doesn't mean that everything lines up. Fact is that it would be a *major* undertaking to run crap on these phones. To start with, you would have to write a new bootloader, and I doubt that that is going to happen since most real developers are more interested in converting wm phones to run android than the other way around.
And fyi: these devices dont have the right set of physical buttons to run wmcrap.
While I agree it would be neat to dual boot WinMo and Android on any hardware you wanted, I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to bother going to all that effort since there are already hundreds of WinMo phones out there.
So Android is being ported to WM handsets... is the opposite possible?
I really dig my Hero, and Android is nice, but hands down, I will take HTC Sense 2.5 on WM6.5, 10 times out of 10.
Arent the guts of the Hero and the TP2 very similar... this should not be that hard for the XDA fam, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody here really wants it bad enough to put forth the time and effort to port it. Many of us see WM 6.5 as the inferior platform that it is (compared to Android), and it doesn't seem worth it to a lot of people. Another thing is, WM isn't open source like Android, so it would probably be even harder to get working. Sorry mang
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So Android is being ported to WM handsets... is the opposite possible?
I really dig my Hero, and Android is nice, but hands down, I will take HTC Sense 2.5 on WM6.5, 10 times out of 10.
Arent the guts of the Hero and the TP2 very similar... this should not be that hard for the XDA fam, right?
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Most likely NO, why? time to port all the different drivers , UIs etc. and another reason...is WHY?? WinMo is a piece of sh#@ that is why we are using Android based phones
I love some of the apps on WM 6.5, but it's SO dead to me. I don't ever want to see it ever again, as long as I live.
To answer your question, I doubt it will EVER happen. Ever. The reason being is that drivers would have to be written from scratch on lots of the hardware. There would have to be a bootloader modification too in order to actually load the WM image, which I'm not sure how that could be accomplished without a tremendous amount of work either.
Usually when the guts are similar (as you're right in TP2 and Hero) but the screen is definitely different, there's a trackball, what do you do with the hardware keys, etc. Lots of "behind the scenes" differences IMO.
You never know though, I always try not to say "never."
That would be going backwards, and tje 6.5 ui is aweful ugly with the ugly menu buttons on the bottom. Ohhh dont forget about the lag issues
No, but you should be able to pick up a WM 6.5 phone coming soon to a dollar store near you.
I gotta say I made the switch to android because I was able to boot android on my Touch but going from android to winmo is simply insane...
Why dont you buy a TP2 and use the android build thats out, my friend got it up an running and is now saving for a hero or supersonic. I used to swear by winmo even when the gayphone came out but Android ****s on Winmo 6.5 EVERYDAY
People are replacing WM6.5 with Android for a reason.
Only a fool would go the other way.
This may just be the craziest thing that I have ever read.
I think its safe to say most us here came from winmo, I also think its safe to say after about a day or less we said,"im never goin back to winmo." Im pretty sure everyone meant it too. the winmo guys are still sayin
That their waiting to switch because android is still new and not polished enough lol I was sayin it too lol but I was wrong as hell hence why im here
It would be an interesting endeavor, but as others have said you would probably have trouble finding someone with the technical knowledge who cares to do so. Most android users have experienced WM, but most WM users haven't experienced android. I think what will be interesting is when WP7S comes out, then you might see people trying to get that on our phones.
But really why should anyone want to port WM6.5 on to android phones? For the same reason many hacking projects start: just to see if we can
There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
Source code
The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
I understand the questioning since they are porting Android to WinMo phones.. but did you ever stop to think that the reason they're doing that is to get rid of WinMo? Why in the world would you want to put WinMo in place of Android?
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There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
Source code
The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
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that is a great point, didn't think about that.
surrealbliss said:
I understand the questioning since they are porting Android to WinMo phones.. but did you ever stop to think that the reason they're doing that is to get rid of WinMo? Why in the world would you want to put WinMo in place of Android?
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they are not doing it to get rid of winmo, its just one of those things thats cool to have, just like any other app.if us winmo users wanted android, we would buy android, i mean why would you go with just android when you could go winmo and have both? it not perfect yet but it is getting better. and standard android is so ugly to me, it just looks so simple{as does standard winmo} without sense ui.but sense on winmo just looks alot better than android sense. just my 2 cents.....
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There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
Source code
The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
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If source code had anything to do with it, BlackBerry and the iPhone wouldn't be so popular.
Android is overtaking WM because it's a better, more consumer-friendly OS with more, better apps.
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No, but you should be able to pick up a WM 6.5 phone coming soon to a dollar store near you.
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lawl!
jonnythan said:
If source code had anything to do with it, BlackBerry and the iPhone wouldn't be so popular.
Android is overtaking WM because it's a better, more consumer-friendly OS with more, better apps.
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Truer words have not been spoken regarding why we all left winmo
i think if a dev wanted to he could port wm to the hero or any android phone. but as others i came from webos & winmo and android is by far the best os ive ever used. i also think wm7 will be a huge fail as android is close to dominating the market share right now. i know what im sticking with!
android is close to beating apple, winmo and palm. it has them all running scared right now, that's why apple is suing htc.
Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
After seeing the Android rom working for about 5 minutes I'm more excited for that than Win7.
I wouldn't doubt if there are people making a Win7 ROM for the HD2.
Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
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+1
I was with Android from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1 on my g1 and having switched to WinMo I do not want to go back. I am not intetested in Android or Phone 7 for my Hd2.
I have to agree with freeincolorado and silencer, android just doesn't cut the mustard. I finally loaded it on my TP2 and have been playing with it all weekend, and while there's a few things about it that I wish winmo had, I was still very relieved when popped my sim back in my HD2 this afternoon.
As for the original topic of this post, I feel extrememly confident that someone will try to to get wp7 working on the HD2, if only for the accomplishment. Even if it's never tried with any other existing phone, the HD2's hardware should certainly be capable, if the drivers etc can be made to work with it.
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable. I just preordered the T-Mobile Vibrant but will be keeping my HD2 for work and will end up flashing some cool new roms on it.
I've been sticking with android because unlike Win Mo 6.5x, it's not a dying platform. It's completely on the rise with the upcoming Froyo and Gingerbread updates. Google has also promised even more updates in the future. I see LOADS of potential. The Android market is constantly growing along with XDA development e.g., CyanogenMod, etc..
But don't get me wrong I love Win Mo. It's by far and truely open source vs. android. I was surprised that I can already do things on my stock HD2 that a stock and unrooted android device can't (saving apps to sd, overclock the cpu, playing Flash etc). But with these forthcoming android OS updates, these features will finally be included.
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I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Well we got great devs here on our side so were gonna be just fine. I see a modified Win 6.75 coming out once WP7 is out. Taking key features and benefits from WP7 and merging them into Win6.5. Hell I'm running Kumars Classic rom and haven't had to reboot in like 10 days now. Then I see dual boot with an android port that works good but has a few bugs. Then I dream of possibly WINXP or a good UBUNTU running as a 3rd or dare it 4th os. With all the tablets coming out we may have many more OS options and choices floating around.
winmo 6.5 crushes android 1.6 imo...I Had a g1 running 1.6 and absolutely loved it, great device and great os..i use winmo 6.1 on a motorola mc55 for work so i thought i would hate the hd2 but compared to the motorola cliq which was my only android "upgrade" option from tmous at the time, the hd2 ran circles so I went with it and got the xt for the wife to compare...no contest hd2 ftw...she's still waiting for 2.1, moto delayed it again she's still at 1.5! haha . I do miss some android features but i just look at that huge screen and forget all about it...
i realize that many people want windows phone 7 for hd2, but this thread is really about windows mobile 7. I'm thinking photon. do you think thats possible?
ryan562 said:
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
As for WM7 - I'm sure it will be ported to the HD2. The real question is will the GPS, bluetooth, and camera work with it properly - which is my complaint about Android. If those 3 things don't also work along with everything else (I *suppose* I could live without the FM radio) - then it's pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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i remember reading that on engadget. google *seems* to be acting in good faith to protect themselves from liability from apps that would violate certain copyright infringements and the like. but i just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market. steve jobs wasn't joking when he made a comment about that.
ryan562 said:
just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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google *seems* to be acting in good faith
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practically every horror story in history can be seen as acting 'in good faith' when viewed from teh correct (incorrect?) stand point. Good faith is no measure of goodness.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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its also my right to protect my kids who have droid phones from seeing those types of programs.google should at least have the devs place an "18 and up" disclaimer for these apps. i wasn't too happy to see my lil nephew dl and use one of these apps.
yea, but what does any of this have to do with windows mobile 7 (photon)?
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Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
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What do you think this would gain you vs. 6.5?
Perhaps more enjoyment of a longer lasting device?
....and FUN! But just imagine, working really hard to create something that no one gives a rats butt about. Thats why I posed the question, would it be interesting, would anyone even care?
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)
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The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
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When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
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Fabian1985
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.
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The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.
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This is a stupid and pointless thread.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
Have you ever thought of searching it?
eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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SWITCH, you won't regret it
amosher13 said:
SWITCH, you won't regret it
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x2, there are several WM converts on here that can assist you if you are looking for specific functions..Android has everything, just about.
mekeke said:
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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Yes i did..
scriz said:
So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
I switched from a TP2, and if you search my name you can see how I went from all WM to several Android phones, and I went back in the Rhodium forums and had discussions about WP7, WM6.5, and Android compared.
I had no intention of switching. I had no interest in WP7. I loaded Android ROMS onto my Rhodium for fun. In our discussions I decided all hardcore WM fans shoudl naturally migrate to Android. The reason is because WP7 is not the XDA Windows that WM was. However Android is. It is like WM in that you can customize everything. It is unlike it only in the fact that we customize here more out of fun than need, because Android is way more inherantly stable. However everything from the dialer, to the lockscreen, to the homescreen, is natively customizable. You just download, install, and hit the 'default' check.
I would suggest you load an Android rom on your Rhodium and check it out.
BTW... I ended up with an Epic 4g bc it was most similar to the Rhodium, however HTC has done amazing work with Sense on Android. It's not a cover on Android, its its own system.
eazy2001x said:
Yes i did..
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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After making the switch to Android from the TP2, holy crap is WinMo garbage. Android is so much ridiculously better.
eazy2001x said:
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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Why so resistant to change? Do you miss the days of the telegraph? Do you wish you could drive a Model T? Flawed logic and resistance to advancement and change is just ludicrous. You may have liked WinMo 6.5, but it's a dead OS. Either go Android, WP7, or just get a plain non-smartphone ffs.
It's easy to find the ROM.
The real question is how are you going to install with your Windows 3.1 computer?
So the answer to my question is?? There is no WM 6.5.X rom?
no. there is not.
Hey, don't be so tough on the guy. I can see where he's coming from...
I was a Windows mobile guy myself (going back before it was put on a phone), and it wasn't easy to just give it up. What got me to switch... was playing with Android before even thinking of making a purchase.
I played around with the Android SDK Virtual for a few days (which I quickly realized was gimped until you start adding the Market and all the apps), but even with just the very basic shell, it was completely functional - moreso than WM.
So, my suggestion is to play with Virtual machine on your PC, or find a friend who will let you fiddle around with their phone. I'm pretty sure you will quickly change your mind.
I had to read this thread. My first thought when I saw the title was that it was a joke. I had come to the conclusion that I would keep my TP2 forever with the Energy roms on it... now it's a whole new world out there and I'm looking forward to all the developers here providing all the "play with" fun I can handle and not just making my phone work. The Epic is wonderful hardware...why hold it back?
Wait.. this was a serious post?.. dude trust me i came from a touch pro 2.. i flashed pretty much every single rom that was made for it an none of them come close to being as good as the epic stock.. i hve no doubt in my min you wont regret the switch
Tapatalkin' it from my EPIC 4g
eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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While we are asking silly questions, is there anyone that can port a Rom of Windows Me for the Epic, so I can take a great OS and replace it for a giant steaming pile of crap.
There isn't one, and I don't think it's going to happen.
Windows Mobile is just dead. Microsoft killed it when they decided to ditch it for WP7.
It may be possible someone can get WP7 to run WM programs in some of compatibility layer similar to wine for unix. Of course in that same token, ARM is ARM, it should be similarly possible to get WM running in a virtual machine on Android, but a lot less likely. Mostly because, even though WP7 isn't WM, it is in fact still running on Windows CE.
So hypothetically it could be as simple as copying over some dll's from WM. It'll probably be a lot harder than that, and quite possibly too hard for the dev community that's left clinging to WM.
Unlike some people here, I have a lot of respect for your position. WM is an OS written for a handheld computer that had a phone added to it as an afterthought. I liked this, because I used it on PDA's before that. I even remember telling people, "one day your PDA, cell phone, and music player will all be the same thing".
While I'm just being silly, I tell you what I'd really like to see, and that's a netbook with a "snap in" (a piece of hardware) handset. We're already carrying around 5" devices, let's go on up to a netbook size, but have the phone part detachable. At this point I almost feel silly carrying around a laptop AND a smartphone, because there's so much redundancy. I'll just put the netbook in a manpurse and be done with it.
So anyway, back on topic, no there's not a WM ROM for the Epic, and I seriously doubt there will ever be. The reason simply boils down to drivers. There won't ever been any drivers written for Galaxy S hardware for WM, and writing drivers is really tough stuff. There probably aren't even that many people who know how to write WM drivers from scratch, let alone in the dev community. And it would take so many man hours you'd really need a team to do it before the hardware reached obsolescence.
You really have three options at this point. The first is to wean yourself off WM. Android really, really is linux running on a phone, with a pretty GUI. The GUI is so good that, until you really dig down into it, it's hard to realize that. Think about what you like about WM, and then see if you can get the same functionality out of Android. Almost everyone does if they give it an honest try.
The second is to see what Microsoft is going to offer you in terms of continued support for WM. There's some talk about them separating consumer mobile Windows (WP7S) from business mobile Windows. Motorola did the ES400, and more might follow. But that could be a tougher pill to swallow than swapping platforms. (More info here.)
The third is rely on the dev community to get virtualization or a compatibility layer for WP7 going, and hopefully mod the UI.
That's really it. I wish you the best. I decided like a lot of people here to swithch to Android, and I haven't regretted it one bit. The Epic is an amazing device. There's an Android learning curve, but it's really not that bad.
thank you for your reply.. Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7. also thank you to anyone who gave me a simple answer to my question.. "NO"..
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Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7.
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Never buying a new phone again eh?
I just stumbled on this thread... HA. I came from the mogul->tp->tp2 and I am so glad I am rid of windows mobile. My wife has my old tp2, and I hate working on it now. Roms w/ android are just better all around.
Anything wimo can do android can do better.