So Android is being ported to WM handsets... is the opposite possible?
I really dig my Hero, and Android is nice, but hands down, I will take HTC Sense 2.5 on WM6.5, 10 times out of 10.
Arent the guts of the Hero and the TP2 very similar... this should not be that hard for the XDA fam, right?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody here really wants it bad enough to put forth the time and effort to port it. Many of us see WM 6.5 as the inferior platform that it is (compared to Android), and it doesn't seem worth it to a lot of people. Another thing is, WM isn't open source like Android, so it would probably be even harder to get working. Sorry mang
blaineball said:
So Android is being ported to WM handsets... is the opposite possible?
I really dig my Hero, and Android is nice, but hands down, I will take HTC Sense 2.5 on WM6.5, 10 times out of 10.
Arent the guts of the Hero and the TP2 very similar... this should not be that hard for the XDA fam, right?
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Most likely NO, why? time to port all the different drivers , UIs etc. and another reason...is WHY?? WinMo is a piece of sh#@ that is why we are using Android based phones
I love some of the apps on WM 6.5, but it's SO dead to me. I don't ever want to see it ever again, as long as I live.
To answer your question, I doubt it will EVER happen. Ever. The reason being is that drivers would have to be written from scratch on lots of the hardware. There would have to be a bootloader modification too in order to actually load the WM image, which I'm not sure how that could be accomplished without a tremendous amount of work either.
Usually when the guts are similar (as you're right in TP2 and Hero) but the screen is definitely different, there's a trackball, what do you do with the hardware keys, etc. Lots of "behind the scenes" differences IMO.
You never know though, I always try not to say "never."
That would be going backwards, and tje 6.5 ui is aweful ugly with the ugly menu buttons on the bottom. Ohhh dont forget about the lag issues
No, but you should be able to pick up a WM 6.5 phone coming soon to a dollar store near you.
I gotta say I made the switch to android because I was able to boot android on my Touch but going from android to winmo is simply insane...
Why dont you buy a TP2 and use the android build thats out, my friend got it up an running and is now saving for a hero or supersonic. I used to swear by winmo even when the gayphone came out but Android ****s on Winmo 6.5 EVERYDAY
People are replacing WM6.5 with Android for a reason.
Only a fool would go the other way.
This may just be the craziest thing that I have ever read.
I think its safe to say most us here came from winmo, I also think its safe to say after about a day or less we said,"im never goin back to winmo." Im pretty sure everyone meant it too. the winmo guys are still sayin
That their waiting to switch because android is still new and not polished enough lol I was sayin it too lol but I was wrong as hell hence why im here
It would be an interesting endeavor, but as others have said you would probably have trouble finding someone with the technical knowledge who cares to do so. Most android users have experienced WM, but most WM users haven't experienced android. I think what will be interesting is when WP7S comes out, then you might see people trying to get that on our phones.
But really why should anyone want to port WM6.5 on to android phones? For the same reason many hacking projects start: just to see if we can
There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
Source code
The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
I understand the questioning since they are porting Android to WinMo phones.. but did you ever stop to think that the reason they're doing that is to get rid of WinMo? Why in the world would you want to put WinMo in place of Android?
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There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
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The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
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that is a great point, didn't think about that.
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I understand the questioning since they are porting Android to WinMo phones.. but did you ever stop to think that the reason they're doing that is to get rid of WinMo? Why in the world would you want to put WinMo in place of Android?
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they are not doing it to get rid of winmo, its just one of those things thats cool to have, just like any other app.if us winmo users wanted android, we would buy android, i mean why would you go with just android when you could go winmo and have both? it not perfect yet but it is getting better. and standard android is so ugly to me, it just looks so simple{as does standard winmo} without sense ui.but sense on winmo just looks alot better than android sense. just my 2 cents.....
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There's a major reason Android can run almost anywhere whereas WinMo is basically trapped on the devices it was originally developed for:
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The marketplace is finally beginning to understand the power of that distinction.
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If source code had anything to do with it, BlackBerry and the iPhone wouldn't be so popular.
Android is overtaking WM because it's a better, more consumer-friendly OS with more, better apps.
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No, but you should be able to pick up a WM 6.5 phone coming soon to a dollar store near you.
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lawl!
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If source code had anything to do with it, BlackBerry and the iPhone wouldn't be so popular.
Android is overtaking WM because it's a better, more consumer-friendly OS with more, better apps.
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Truer words have not been spoken regarding why we all left winmo
i think if a dev wanted to he could port wm to the hero or any android phone. but as others i came from webos & winmo and android is by far the best os ive ever used. i also think wm7 will be a huge fail as android is close to dominating the market share right now. i know what im sticking with!
android is close to beating apple, winmo and palm. it has them all running scared right now, that's why apple is suing htc.
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ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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The HD2 runs WM 6.5, if you dont like it take it back. Get the nexus 1, Sprint Evo or Incredible, you have choices rather than starting another thread about how much you think WM sucks!!!
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ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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Why did you get the HD2 if you hate WinMobile? There will be phone of similar specs coming out for all the OS's soon enough. It will be a long time before there is a fully functional android port. If you can't use WinMo and be happy with it, take it back and don't bash an operating system we love and use on this forum. WinMo 6.5 is the last great open and versatile OS left... it can do more than any other mobile OS is capable of atm and it is so much more customizable. Personally, I think Iphone is crap. Barely customizable and the OS makes it look like a childs toy. Dumbed down to the point that a child can use it as a toy!
Also, a search would have answered your questions a lot quicker than starting a new post and waiting for replies... which you had to assume would be negative towards you as you are saying that WinMo is crap in a WinMo forum...
well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS.
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It depends on what your uses and expectations are. In some aspects WM is inferior to iphone osx and android. In other aspects, the HD2 blows both of them out of the water.
I have an iPhone too, and for my uses, the HD2 is a far more capable phone.
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so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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It was confirmed that the HD2 would not be upgradable to WP7 weeks before it came to T-Mobile USA. No offense, but that was probably something you should have confirmed fully before you spent all that money.
That being said, WM is a very capable, customizable OS. I didn't like my HD2 nearly as much when I first got it as I do now. After tweaking it over the past couple of weeks, I can say with complete honesty that other than the apps, the HD2 runs laps around my iPhone. Its faster, has a better web browser, and thanks to sense, all my core functions easily accesible. No need to open a SMS app, an e-mail app, a twitter app etc etc. All those functions are laid out in front of you. The interface is also much sleeker looking and attractive overall. The iPhones interface is really showing its age.
If you want to get the most of your phone, flash the ROM. I'm using Energy ROM with cookies home tab 1.7. Its a straight-forward, easy to use ROM. The interfaced is tweaked to make it easier to use....plus its very stable...haven't had a crash since I installed it. There wasn't much else I needed to do to my HD2 after flashing to this ROM.
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well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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The HD2 will not have an official WinPhone 7 upgrade. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5 anyways. And I think compared to android and iphone, Windows mobile is much better, more versatile, and much more powerful. I admit it's not as user friendly. You might want to return it if you don't like WM.
Return your phone, get the Nexus 1 or Evo. Or wait for the iPhone 4g.
told ya 2 every week
I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.
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I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.
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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?
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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?
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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
And it's pretty sad that HTC has to create a mask to cover winmo's looks. It's like me putting a mask over my girlfriend's face because I'm too embarrassed to be around her. what is the point of marrying a product with an operating system if even the manufacturer is embarrassed for users to see it?
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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
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People usually only post when there's problems. You don't find most people posting that there phone works fine and has no problems. For every 5 threads of people complaining, theres probably hundreds of happy users. And what are you talking about iphone killer? Its a completely different kind of phone and os for completely different types of users. If you were an iphone user, why did you trade it for the HD2? Why don't you go back to iphone if you don't like WinMo?
HD2 will get Android, make no mistake about it, the community will make it happen. The real issue here is when it will get it.
If you got the phone to put Android on it right now, then it's not the phone for your. If you got it because you wanted an Android phone with the best specs, then by the time Android is running perfectly on the device there'll be better, faster phones.
I got it because I wanted Android on it, but I want to get Android on it myself. I got it as a sort of hobby because now I'll be able to tweak, and turn, and customize, and part of my customization goals is to get Android to load and maybe use it as my daily OS.
But, in the mean time (and I think this is where we're on different situations), I know that the device is a WinMo device, and knowing so has also picked my interest to learn how to work/customize WinMo and make it into something I'll enjoy. That's what XDA is all about. It's sort of the way it was for me when I first used a linux distro. I wanted to rip the hairs off of my head and would be frustrated at how much work it took to do some things I took for granted in Windows. But after working with it for some time, and knowing how it was different, and learning how to use it, now there are tasks that I do in linux that I just can't find myself doing in Windows, so I have both loaded on my computer.
Take the time to work with WinMo, understand that it's different. Only then you'll start seeing how different can mean better in different areas.
Don't get me wrong now, I didn't get this phone to try and find a Android port or WP7 port. I actually traded it because I already know everything there is to know about the iPhone and it was starting to bore me. I wanted to find a phone that would get my tech juices flowing; atleast until the iPhone HD comes. I saw this phone and from all standpoints it looked like and for the most part is still a really nice piece of technology. When I first saw the phone up front I called it Edward's phone cuz the screen sparkles in the sunlight. I think HTC did as good of a job as they could trying to hide as much WM as they could. Some reviews said you have to dwelve pretty deep into the phone to get to WM but I found that to be untrue. Why do I still have it? Because I still have an iPhone 3G and feel like if I give up on the HD2 now, I will never see the full potential of this phone. The 3G is not as fast as my 3GS or even the HD2 but in a world of simpler is better, the iPhone just fits. So for right now my HD2 is my secondary phone when my iPhone battery dies.
But taking out the stock MicroSD card really does help. I really think there should be a some sort of recall on those SD cards if that many people are having issues with them.
hmmmm thx for the information....I just found out about flashing the phones with other roms....did not know i could do that with my hd2
well that being known i guess i could get the most out of my hd2
And i do totally agree that iphone does not come near my hd2 in many aspects
just have to tweaked it to my ways...
any advice of available roms? for my tm hd? and also...where can I get GPS software like tomtom, garmin, igo or copilot? where can I purchase/download them?
I have said it once and Ill say it again.
I did buy my Hd2 in hopes that android would be ported.
BUt over all I am happy with my decision to buy it.
Some people forget that its easy just to say go buy this phone or that phone.
but Some people dont have service with those companies or have had bad experiences'
I love my hd2 but i can admit when I see more Dev's working on Iphone apps.
Android suffers from that same fate. But they are gaining more and more.
I have had my hd2 since the US lauch. The first few days were fustrating. Its gotten easy as I have found roms that make it perform so much better.
One thing I have also learned is .. We techies are the minority. Phones are not designed with us in mind. Phones are designed with the majority in mind .
Yes the Iphone is dumb down. No one cares how it works aslong as it works.
Once we get use to that everything will be gravey.
being An original Iphone user for more than 2 years I can honestly say it gets old after a while.
Ill stick with my Hd2
I cant really say this enough but windows mobile and S60 to me are the only Operating systems that never bow down to the apple trend. Sure S60 and windows mobile were the last ones to get pinch to zoom and capacitive touch screen and people might say oh look their following android and apple. but in all reality s60 and windows mobile innovated the market for what it is now. who came out with the email and PDA system back in the day people would drool to have that windows did! who came out with the crazy camera and media power house N95 s60 did. compare to what android and apple are innovating comes wayyyyy short what windows mobile and s60 have done.
Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol
Im just gonna say this no matter how far we get booting android it will never be as good as an android device unless its flashed to it if you buy a windows mobile device is because you like it not for what ever hacks come out. its like those people that buy hondas and toyotas and turn them too look like an audi or a ferrari or a bentley you buy a device because your happy for what it is not for what you can turn it into. what happen if xda developers banish everyone its going to throw their android and windows to the trash??? first be happy with what you have then be happy what you can do
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Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol
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I can pretty much guarantee that that is bs. They are not gonna have an official update to put android on the hd2. It's a WinMo phone... they don't just update phones with different OS's.
Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
After seeing the Android rom working for about 5 minutes I'm more excited for that than Win7.
I wouldn't doubt if there are people making a Win7 ROM for the HD2.
Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
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I was with Android from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1 on my g1 and having switched to WinMo I do not want to go back. I am not intetested in Android or Phone 7 for my Hd2.
I have to agree with freeincolorado and silencer, android just doesn't cut the mustard. I finally loaded it on my TP2 and have been playing with it all weekend, and while there's a few things about it that I wish winmo had, I was still very relieved when popped my sim back in my HD2 this afternoon.
As for the original topic of this post, I feel extrememly confident that someone will try to to get wp7 working on the HD2, if only for the accomplishment. Even if it's never tried with any other existing phone, the HD2's hardware should certainly be capable, if the drivers etc can be made to work with it.
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable. I just preordered the T-Mobile Vibrant but will be keeping my HD2 for work and will end up flashing some cool new roms on it.
I've been sticking with android because unlike Win Mo 6.5x, it's not a dying platform. It's completely on the rise with the upcoming Froyo and Gingerbread updates. Google has also promised even more updates in the future. I see LOADS of potential. The Android market is constantly growing along with XDA development e.g., CyanogenMod, etc..
But don't get me wrong I love Win Mo. It's by far and truely open source vs. android. I was surprised that I can already do things on my stock HD2 that a stock and unrooted android device can't (saving apps to sd, overclock the cpu, playing Flash etc). But with these forthcoming android OS updates, these features will finally be included.
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I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Well we got great devs here on our side so were gonna be just fine. I see a modified Win 6.75 coming out once WP7 is out. Taking key features and benefits from WP7 and merging them into Win6.5. Hell I'm running Kumars Classic rom and haven't had to reboot in like 10 days now. Then I see dual boot with an android port that works good but has a few bugs. Then I dream of possibly WINXP or a good UBUNTU running as a 3rd or dare it 4th os. With all the tablets coming out we may have many more OS options and choices floating around.
winmo 6.5 crushes android 1.6 imo...I Had a g1 running 1.6 and absolutely loved it, great device and great os..i use winmo 6.1 on a motorola mc55 for work so i thought i would hate the hd2 but compared to the motorola cliq which was my only android "upgrade" option from tmous at the time, the hd2 ran circles so I went with it and got the xt for the wife to compare...no contest hd2 ftw...she's still waiting for 2.1, moto delayed it again she's still at 1.5! haha . I do miss some android features but i just look at that huge screen and forget all about it...
i realize that many people want windows phone 7 for hd2, but this thread is really about windows mobile 7. I'm thinking photon. do you think thats possible?
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I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
As for WM7 - I'm sure it will be ported to the HD2. The real question is will the GPS, bluetooth, and camera work with it properly - which is my complaint about Android. If those 3 things don't also work along with everything else (I *suppose* I could live without the FM radio) - then it's pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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i remember reading that on engadget. google *seems* to be acting in good faith to protect themselves from liability from apps that would violate certain copyright infringements and the like. but i just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market. steve jobs wasn't joking when he made a comment about that.
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just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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google *seems* to be acting in good faith
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practically every horror story in history can be seen as acting 'in good faith' when viewed from teh correct (incorrect?) stand point. Good faith is no measure of goodness.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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its also my right to protect my kids who have droid phones from seeing those types of programs.google should at least have the devs place an "18 and up" disclaimer for these apps. i wasn't too happy to see my lil nephew dl and use one of these apps.
yea, but what does any of this have to do with windows mobile 7 (photon)?
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aptness leadership said:
Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
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What do you think this would gain you vs. 6.5?
Perhaps more enjoyment of a longer lasting device?
....and FUN! But just imagine, working really hard to create something that no one gives a rats butt about. Thats why I posed the question, would it be interesting, would anyone even care?
will a custom ROM have android instead of WM6.5 ?? i mean it will direct boot to android or we still have to open android from WM6.5 ??
at the moment you run android as an application in windows mobile.
other way is to flash andoid to nand like we now flash our windows mobile roms.
as far as i know there is not enough room to flash both OSes to nand. <- pls correct me if im wrong
oh ok when it will be 100% functional with everything working it could be flashed to nand without the WM ?
why did u buy a winmo phone when u want android?
...the world as we know it...will come to an end... lol well what's most likely to happen is people wanting to get windows phone 7 on the phone.
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PhoneConnect247 said:
...the world as we know it...will come to an end... lol well what's most likely to happen is people wanting to get windows phone 7 on the phone.
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loooooool i saw the title and was about to write the exact same thing ...
what would happen ..... it will run 100% no more no less , alltho i doubt that will ever happen cuz it occasionally has bad days on nexus too , like all the OS-es
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at the moment you run android as an application in windows mobile.
other way is to flash andoid to nand like we now flash our windows mobile roms.
as far as i know there is not enough room to flash both OSes to nand. <- pls correct me if im wrong
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i think thats wrong. android is NOT an app running in windows mobile. this would mean android is runnning as some kind of emulation. as far as i know, winmo is still needed in order to initialize the hardware. by starting haret.exe, the wince-kernel is shut down and a linux bootloader is started.
hopefully we'll be able to flash an android rom to nand and have a device which can hold either OS equally. I personally like the fact that the HD2 can become versatile. I agree - that if someone wants to run android only, he should buy an Android device. I wanted to have a taste of android with the ability to run WM as i have for the past 4 years.
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I agree - that if someone wants to run android only, he should buy an Android device.
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but if someone wants to run android on such a beautiful piece of hardware like our hd2? have you ever seen a good looking android device (i mean the physical device itself, not the ui)?
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but if someone wants to run android on such a beautiful piece of hardware like our hd2? have you ever seen a good looking android device (i mean the physical device itself, not the ui)?
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I bought the device with the intent on running android. I am not help bent on completely removing it
There hasnt been a device until the evo 4g that had the same screen size. And since i dont hop carriers I cant use the evo.
The my touch 3g slide screen is too small
The my touch screen is too small
The samsung galaxy screen is too small
The g1 screen is too small.
The samsung behold 2 sucked !
THe cliq sucked
The nexus 1 screen is too small
So people do have reasons to have the hd2.
Plus a lot of people I have met with the hd2 didnt realize what they were buying. Most people hate the phone. They then see mine with android and fall in love.
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I bought the device with the intent on running android. I am not help bent on completely removing it
There hasnt been a device until the evo 4g that had the same screen size. And since i dont hop carriers I cant use the evo.
The my touch 3g slide screen is too small
The my touch screen is too small
The samsung galaxy screen is too small
The g1 screen is too small.
The samsung behold 2 sucked !
THe cliq sucked
The nexus 1 screen is too small
So people do have reasons to have the hd2.
Plus a lot of people I have met with the hd2 didnt realize what they were buying. Most people hate the phone. They then see mine with android and fall in love.
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screen problem will get fix'd with the desire hd ^.^
but running android on the hd2 like it is native would be just awsome.. thats true for sure )
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screen problem will get fix'd with the desire hd ^.^
but running android on the hd2 like it is native would be just awsome.. thats true for sure )
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+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
Can't wait
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Can some one answer this question. What windows mobile 6.5 do, that android can't do? This is my first WM phone and I tho it was alright. I would of got the Evo but I can't switch carriers until the end of the year. Since now we got android, I'm staying with t-mo. I pay full price for this phone ($560.00 in NYC) I first regretted and since android I don't. Anyways I found that android do much more for me than WM. So if I'm wrong please some one tell me. Ps: excuse my english.
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For me, I would consider the NAND flash for Android ROM the 100% fully functional since that is of primary importance to me here.
I bought my HD2 even though I knew it had WM. And at the time I didn't want Android at all, just my WM, but with some configurations & such.
But now that I have Android running on it instead, I never want to go back.
And just like someone else said, there ain't an Android phone around that have the same hardware specs as the HD2. Except the EVO, but I've had my phone a long time before they released the EVO. And from what I know it's only available in the US. Maybe I could import one and configure it to run on Swedish networks, but wth..
The wife and I got this phone and she didn't realize it was Windows Mobile. This was my first experience with Sense UI and thought it was awesome.
I loved the phone for what it could do and actually "Used" it to it's potential. She "HATES" it. Then again, I don't blame her. Sense fails hard when it comes to texting and load lag
She can't wait till I can flash Android to her phone. Me, i'll stick with my options.
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why did u buy a winmo phone when u want android?
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I don't think people who HATE WinMo buy this phone with the sole intent of putting another OS on it. I think most people bought it for the screen & the media capabilities. For me, I saw a lot of potential in the hardware specs and bought mine cause it's the last real WM phone(I'm sappy like that) and because it's a GSM phone that I can unlock & use for years to come. It was like buying a barebones PC that I could run whatever I want on & have multi-boot systems.
I decided to run Android on it initially out of sheer curiosity, and so I can learn the next OS I'm gonna be using. When WM dies out(it's GOING to happen, so we may as well face it), Android will be what I will move on to partly because its Linux & open source, and partly because there's no way in pus-spewing, blood-gutted hell that I would ever use an iPhone or Blackberry(WP7 has NEVER been an option). I must say, Android runs VERY well on this phone even in its current stage of development, I can't wait to see how awesome it'll be as a fully flashable rom. I'm already almost to the point of not even missing WM anymore. I've been running it for a week now & I'm getting to know how everything works & I love it. Very versatile & powerful, and quite stable. I don't think I quite realized just how many lockups and crashes I was really having with WM until I started using Android as my main OS. The first time I used Android I HATED it because I had a bad build & an underpowered phone(One of the first leaked Froyo builds on a Sprint Hero) and it ran like crap. But with the combo I've got now, it's simply awesome. Everything is so integrated & all the programs mesh together so beautifully. It really does 'just work', and it's hackable & customizable at the same time. Best of both worlds. If & when a NAND version of Android for the HD2 comes out, you can count me in.
Don't get me wrong, I will ALWAYS love WinMo. I think it's the best mobile OS there ever was, and it's incredibly sad that it's dying. It would still be going strong if Microsoft had just marketed it better & hadn't copped out with WP7. But I'm not gonna stay with a stagnant platform that nobody develops for anymore(I'd have stayed with Palm OS otherwise), and I was honestly starting to get bored with it. I had pushed WM to it's limits & did everything I could possibly do with it, and it's just time to move on. I believe Android is the wave of the future, and will eventually overtake the iPhone in popularity.
Plus I love robots, so anything named 'Android' is automatically cool in my book
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Friendly robots are a plus in my book.
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Once android 2.2 is fully working, android gingerbread will be released and people can start working on that. Windows phone 7 is also a possibility. Ubuntu is still under development as well. The possibilities are endless.
Why windows mobile 7 when android so much better?
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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SWITCH, you won't regret it
amosher13 said:
SWITCH, you won't regret it
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x2, there are several WM converts on here that can assist you if you are looking for specific functions..Android has everything, just about.
mekeke said:
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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Yes i did..
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
I switched from a TP2, and if you search my name you can see how I went from all WM to several Android phones, and I went back in the Rhodium forums and had discussions about WP7, WM6.5, and Android compared.
I had no intention of switching. I had no interest in WP7. I loaded Android ROMS onto my Rhodium for fun. In our discussions I decided all hardcore WM fans shoudl naturally migrate to Android. The reason is because WP7 is not the XDA Windows that WM was. However Android is. It is like WM in that you can customize everything. It is unlike it only in the fact that we customize here more out of fun than need, because Android is way more inherantly stable. However everything from the dialer, to the lockscreen, to the homescreen, is natively customizable. You just download, install, and hit the 'default' check.
I would suggest you load an Android rom on your Rhodium and check it out.
BTW... I ended up with an Epic 4g bc it was most similar to the Rhodium, however HTC has done amazing work with Sense on Android. It's not a cover on Android, its its own system.
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Yes i did..
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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After making the switch to Android from the TP2, holy crap is WinMo garbage. Android is so much ridiculously better.
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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Why so resistant to change? Do you miss the days of the telegraph? Do you wish you could drive a Model T? Flawed logic and resistance to advancement and change is just ludicrous. You may have liked WinMo 6.5, but it's a dead OS. Either go Android, WP7, or just get a plain non-smartphone ffs.
It's easy to find the ROM.
The real question is how are you going to install with your Windows 3.1 computer?
So the answer to my question is?? There is no WM 6.5.X rom?
no. there is not.
Hey, don't be so tough on the guy. I can see where he's coming from...
I was a Windows mobile guy myself (going back before it was put on a phone), and it wasn't easy to just give it up. What got me to switch... was playing with Android before even thinking of making a purchase.
I played around with the Android SDK Virtual for a few days (which I quickly realized was gimped until you start adding the Market and all the apps), but even with just the very basic shell, it was completely functional - moreso than WM.
So, my suggestion is to play with Virtual machine on your PC, or find a friend who will let you fiddle around with their phone. I'm pretty sure you will quickly change your mind.
I had to read this thread. My first thought when I saw the title was that it was a joke. I had come to the conclusion that I would keep my TP2 forever with the Energy roms on it... now it's a whole new world out there and I'm looking forward to all the developers here providing all the "play with" fun I can handle and not just making my phone work. The Epic is wonderful hardware...why hold it back?
Wait.. this was a serious post?.. dude trust me i came from a touch pro 2.. i flashed pretty much every single rom that was made for it an none of them come close to being as good as the epic stock.. i hve no doubt in my min you wont regret the switch
Tapatalkin' it from my EPIC 4g
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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While we are asking silly questions, is there anyone that can port a Rom of Windows Me for the Epic, so I can take a great OS and replace it for a giant steaming pile of crap.
There isn't one, and I don't think it's going to happen.
Windows Mobile is just dead. Microsoft killed it when they decided to ditch it for WP7.
It may be possible someone can get WP7 to run WM programs in some of compatibility layer similar to wine for unix. Of course in that same token, ARM is ARM, it should be similarly possible to get WM running in a virtual machine on Android, but a lot less likely. Mostly because, even though WP7 isn't WM, it is in fact still running on Windows CE.
So hypothetically it could be as simple as copying over some dll's from WM. It'll probably be a lot harder than that, and quite possibly too hard for the dev community that's left clinging to WM.
Unlike some people here, I have a lot of respect for your position. WM is an OS written for a handheld computer that had a phone added to it as an afterthought. I liked this, because I used it on PDA's before that. I even remember telling people, "one day your PDA, cell phone, and music player will all be the same thing".
While I'm just being silly, I tell you what I'd really like to see, and that's a netbook with a "snap in" (a piece of hardware) handset. We're already carrying around 5" devices, let's go on up to a netbook size, but have the phone part detachable. At this point I almost feel silly carrying around a laptop AND a smartphone, because there's so much redundancy. I'll just put the netbook in a manpurse and be done with it.
So anyway, back on topic, no there's not a WM ROM for the Epic, and I seriously doubt there will ever be. The reason simply boils down to drivers. There won't ever been any drivers written for Galaxy S hardware for WM, and writing drivers is really tough stuff. There probably aren't even that many people who know how to write WM drivers from scratch, let alone in the dev community. And it would take so many man hours you'd really need a team to do it before the hardware reached obsolescence.
You really have three options at this point. The first is to wean yourself off WM. Android really, really is linux running on a phone, with a pretty GUI. The GUI is so good that, until you really dig down into it, it's hard to realize that. Think about what you like about WM, and then see if you can get the same functionality out of Android. Almost everyone does if they give it an honest try.
The second is to see what Microsoft is going to offer you in terms of continued support for WM. There's some talk about them separating consumer mobile Windows (WP7S) from business mobile Windows. Motorola did the ES400, and more might follow. But that could be a tougher pill to swallow than swapping platforms. (More info here.)
The third is rely on the dev community to get virtualization or a compatibility layer for WP7 going, and hopefully mod the UI.
That's really it. I wish you the best. I decided like a lot of people here to swithch to Android, and I haven't regretted it one bit. The Epic is an amazing device. There's an Android learning curve, but it's really not that bad.
thank you for your reply.. Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7. also thank you to anyone who gave me a simple answer to my question.. "NO"..
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Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7.
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Never buying a new phone again eh?
I just stumbled on this thread... HA. I came from the mogul->tp->tp2 and I am so glad I am rid of windows mobile. My wife has my old tp2, and I hate working on it now. Roms w/ android are just better all around.
Anything wimo can do android can do better.
Yeah, I know its so locked down and blah blah blah but in all actuality with the amount of support it's getting already it could be an amazing OS. Android didn't get this much love upon initial release. Most people who bought the first run of G1s couldnt tell the difference between a cellphone and a toaster and look where it's at now. WM6.5 is dead... I mean I love it, I love the amount of customization but I would like to have a phone that is relevant again also... In all honesty I wouldnt care if Cotulla released the version that was more or less a glorified feature phone, I would be right on top of it. We all know it will be app-unlocked in time and when thats the case who needs a marketplace? I know HD2 can run android and WP7 but android, regardless of how awesome it is, will always be lacking in the same manner as iphones are in terms of physical appeal. There is none. Just like no other type of phone has a music program that doesnt just more or less suck (If you think iphones music player is just the best then you're likely a tool.) I think that we should be working more on WP7 than gingerbread and its almost non-existent updates.
You can all go ahead and flame me now
Who's this? Steve ballmer?
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Yes, I'd be speaking ill of 6.5 if I was that incompetent republican. I'm not even sure that antique knows what a cellphone is. He probably bought his current one second-hand from Zack on Saved by the Bell.
Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
The core WP7 might be better than WM6.5.
WP7 was built with only touchscreen phones in mind, whereas WM6.5 can work on touchscreen phones, non-touchscreen phones, PDAs and loads of industrial units. And WP7 isn't designed for many phones, but basically due to the specification laid out by MS, one phone (ie the Windows iPhone).
After all WP7 doesn't have to deal with legacy issues that the more generalised WM6.5 has to.
If MS had just stuck to the core and put on their front, but allowed the manufacturers to put their own front end on (and thus the XDA Developers to really develop the system) then maybe I would be more inclined to move to WP7.
As for the specification, why go down the fixed internal memory? HTC tried it with my HTC Diamond (4GB) only to see an 8GB microSD card come out not long after. Thus the Diamond 2 went back to the microSD card.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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It's from the same OS's branch, (your comparison is wrong) you may say a Modern house is better than a shack, However they're made in a completely different way and structure .
Microsoft's OS will remain Microsoft's. wether they called it Windows Mobile 7 or Windows Phone 7
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Who's this? Steve ballmer?
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lol. that's well put my friend.
IMHO, the entire HD2 comunity will switch to Android,sooner than later,including myself,my son already did,he havent used WM since over a moth now.
The reason is obvious every each one of us had the chance to compare the two OSs side by side,even someone sceptical as myself keeps on visiting to my Android neighbour living on my SD card.well should confess that its already starting to grow on me.
I wish we had the chance to test the WP7 side by side with the Android as well on our HD2,but seems to me that MS may be is not confident enough that His new OS will hold itself against Android,or may be the mnufacturers want to sell more phones.in either case I want to say this:
Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones,the overwhelming portion of the users will no doubt switch to Android,it is in the interest of MS to port the WP7 full experience not just to the HD2 but to every single phone out there,to IOS devices,Android devices,people must have the chance to see what it is all about.
Looks like the WP7 devices sales are dissmal so far,if it turns out to be a fail,the Manufacturers will be the first to abandon the ship.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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Its like me saying im better sober than drunk.
Its better in my opinion due to its difference so it can be better, its from the same OS maker so how cant it be....that means you cant say one football team is doing better than the other cause they are different....wise up.
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Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones
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No way man, I think your underestimating the longevity of the HD2, by all accounts it should have died out already, it was saved by droid porting, it wasn't going to have survived with WM6.5, but look it has survived and is still standing up to phones like the EVO and thats something.
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Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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I've got both a nexus one and an HD2 running android and for those of us who are big in the gaming aspects of android sure it's awesome but hell, if that was my core interest I'd sell out and buy an iphone. Call me greedy but I want something functional that also looks clean and iphones jumbled mess certainly never pulled that off, same goes for android, I don't care how many widgets you have on there or anything. I keep a plain black screen with minimal dock options in launcher pro and it is still just unattractive. I'm all for functionality over form but until wp7 it's as though no one ever even bothered trying to make a phone look nice. Windows mobile is still the most functional OS to date if you really know what you're doing but honestly, who wants to play on a system whos best games look like they were released for the sega saturn? Android has all the gaming in the world but is not very pretty regardless of what launcher you use. iOS is just trash, no reason needed. but WP7 may be the first phone that in time has a pretty UI and a great app community and that is what I want in a phone.
We need to understand that we represent a small number of cell phone users. Most are happy with what they get from the manufacturer. A small number of us love hacking our phones and making them do things they weren't meant to do. That being said, comparing OS's is useless. Everyone has different needs and wants. I, for example, don't care anything about gaming on a phone. So Android has no appeal to me (and yes I have owned an Android phone). Each OS appeals to folks with different needs. We are all entitled to our opinion as to what OS we like to use. I am one of those folks still impressed with the HD2. When it is tiime for me to upgrade (and I don't see a need for that anytime soon) it won't be Android. I'll be looking seriously at the Win7 phones or will be returning to Blackberry.
agree with Illusive Man.
I'm using WinMo 6.5 over years now, but I also used iOS and Android due to my work.
iOS is perfect for noob Users. Really, everything you need to know is how to register to the AppStore.
But don't want something special from your phone like to store youre files on a special place...
Android is perfect for Gaming and perfect for all "Open Source is better than Microsoft" users don't forget google won't save your data, and the earth is a disc
WinMo 6.5 is perfect for Business Users espacially when the Business Infrastructure itself is based upon Microsoft/Office/Exchange. Also for industrial Use.
WP7
Microsofts answer to iOS/iPhone. It's simple. When I don't have to take care about that someone put/change Files in my System and don't have to care about supporting so many different phones, than it's easier to bring up a smooth and stable OS
So we see, each OS has it's right to live all over this world, they're different and each user should choose for his own preferences....
PEACE
sthEn said:
How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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I totally agree man, I tried skateboard and it was not for me - but I got into green in late '08 and there is no turning back!
When my co. took away windows phone and went all BB, I did not like bb's and while they improved it was never remotely close enough. Got HD2 when it came out, showed the co. all the productive things I can do with it, still no go - in fact they said "you can have iPhone or BB, pick one now." I took iPhone since at least that helps our bb-centric IT guys get used to pop3 mail handling. But for some odd reason I can't stand iPhone and just love WP7. Maybe it's the difference between built-in Office 2010 mobile w/sync-to-cloud and sync-to-sharepoint, vs... what, angry birds?
You can all go ahead and flame me now
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WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
All in all it comes down to what you want to use it for. When I want to play games with a pocket sized device, I whip out my PSP. When I have to edit a spreadsheet or word document while I just happen to be at my kid's Tae Kwon Do practice it's nice to be able to do that on a pocket sized device rather than lug around a lap top and hope you can find Wifi service.
hungry81 said:
WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
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Just about every time Microsoft updates to a new and improved OS, it mucks with the end users ability to change some things.
I guess with Andriod, it will never change in that respect.
I would like to see the capabilities of WM7 but I fear the phones comming out with it are left a bit short even by WM 6.5 standards.
I dont see anything wrong with WM 6.5 as long as I don't bloat it down with alot of shortcuts and what not.
I am not saying the apps and tools here don't cut it... just I would think some body would program each hard key to do funtions like toggle and page flip on shortcuts.
They are there and you dont need to make some new fangled gui or shell.
No I am not a programmer, but it seems so obvious that this is the only touch phone with 5 hard keys. To me that would be pretty damn awsome yet they are so rarely used for anything but short cuts to options that are already available as a sof tbutton or short cut.
Here is my 2 cents.
I was an avid Symbian S60 fan for a good 5 or 6 years, enjoyed playing with it and tweaking here and there, hell, I had it set up as a wifi hotspot long before the mainstream caught wind.
I then went to WinMo 6.1 on my X1, a nice shiny 'new' toy with more bells and whistles than I could ever dream of, I loved it. Unfortunately it seemed O2 and Sony conspired against me, and decided I couldn't have an X1 as a warranty replacement when mine broke. I managed to talk them into giving me a HD2 instead.
There it was, 4.3" of tweakable goodyness. I loved it, and still do, but I've just got bored, or no longer bothered with fiddling. Maybe its my change of career (from IT guy to developer) but I've just lost interest in what my latest gadget can do.
My girlfriend has got hold of a HTC 7 Trophy, and after playing with it for a weekend, I'm pretty impressed. I was one of the first to scream "OMG WTF is that UI all about?", but once in my hand, it is very smooth and intuitive.
Granted, it has it's faults, like no bluetooth contact transfer (you have to put your phonebook in the cloud (LiveMail or Facebook), but overall, its not bad for a locked in system, much to my disbelief.
Its not got features that I need (like the wifi hotspot) and bluetooth file transfers, which are ultimately putting me off for now, but I can see where it's going.
Android I don't think is for me, I've played with 1.6 and 2.2 (froyo) but I just can't get into the loads of homescreens, it just feels cluttered (Yes, I am aware of the one long start menu in WinPho7)
guyz... we should change our thinking style... HD2 has not only the hardware capability of running WM6.5 but also Android builds, iOS, WP7 OS and MeeGO... sooo we must respect this device... till now android is the most usable nd userfriendly OS,now some peoples might like WP7 OS,after this when gingerbread will run fully then we will run it...
after that we will use HONEYCOMB...
i used HD2 in WM6.5 then i loved it...
now running android builds(2builds on 2SD cards) my love is getting deeper and deeper
will love it more and more day by day in future
At the end i wanna say HD2 is a great(1of the best) device we got so far ..
in the near future it will be replaced by multicore 3D screened devices
until then long LIVE HD2 ...