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I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
freelo123 said:
I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
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In my opinion this really comes down to your choice of carriers and like or
dislike for slightly larger screens. Everything else is more or less kind of a wash.
The screens are comparable in quality, many will prefer the SAMOLED due to the
richer colors and better darks. Many will think the LCD on the Droid X is perfectly fine. I had a Nexus one prior to my Droid X and feel that the screens were comparable. Due to personal preference of size I pick the Droid X. I have gorilla hands so the extra space is welcomed when it comes to me using the phone.
As for the graphics processing:
Droid X /w SGX530 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected])
Samsung I9000 /w SGX540 (28 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/[email protected]
While the 540 chip does kick up the graphics performance by quite a bit I feel that in the current software market it doesnt matter. Most games and emulators work without much of a hitch on the Nexus One which is pretty weak compared to the Droid X graphics, let alone the I9000. The Droid X handles graphics and benchmarks with ease. While the I9000 would play just as well as the Droid X but slam the crap out of it in benchmarks.
My point? Until we get software that actually uses the graphics horsepower we have it makes no difference. My quality of gaming is close to equal to the I9000 and is only slightly better than the Nexus One (Nexus has the occasional hiccup due to slower graphics).
In the end I feel it comes down to carrier preference, screen preference and feature preference. Aesthetics could come into play as well. I really like the way
the Droid X looks and feels.
Both phones do have a huge advantage over te snapdragon powered phones in that they have a whole separate GPU. The TI and hummingbird are basically equal as far as CPU'S te SGS maily pulls ahead bc of te GPU. However, not to slam the HTC phones but both the X and SGS have far superior CPU's compared to snapdragon. I will def say that the build quality of te motorola droid series are second to none. Mostly metal as well they come with guerrilla glass which is much stronger than normal glass found in cell phones. Also when we get the ability on the x i believe that the OC ability will be greater on the x if they original droid says anything about the processors ability. The D1 could have its stock clock speed almost tripled, not to say that the hummingbird cant be done that way either. Te snapdragon is a good CPU as far as application processing goes but doesn't hold a bar to the hummingbird or TI OMAP overall. It really all comes down to user choice. Motorola has shown strong support for the droid series bc the droid 1 has has 3 os upgrades (2.01, 2.1, 2.2) so i think they will continue to support there phones strongly. Good luck in ur choice!!
sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid
freelo123 said:
I'm new to the forums. I can't decide yet which phone should i choose. Though i know here is Galaxys forum, but i'm glad to listen to your advices.
1.Screen SAMOLED VS 4.3 inch
2.GPU 540>530 I9000 is better But i wanna know how 540 much better than 530. Is that a large gap or just small?
3.Do you think that i9000 looks like a iphone? Droid x looks much better than i9000 Just outward appearance.
4.What about the cpu?
Plz help me to make a choice between two good devices THX a lot~~
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It comes down to what you like. I have the Droid X and Droix 1. My Droid was fast but the Droid X speed is amazing. As for the Sanding Galaxy S series they are great phones. A coworker has the T-mo version the Vibrant.
I do think it looks like the iPhone. When my coworker brought it I thought she had moved to Att. The phone seems no faster than my Droid X or even Droid 1. However the SuperAmoled screen is definitely crisper and more Vibrant.
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Is the text crisper? I thought SAMOLED's sub-pixel matrix left a slight color halo around sharp edges, like text (they compensate with beyer color contrast).
Thank you all guys' advises. I do love DROIDX and i believe there is no difference between two good devices. Droid X can run all the apps smoothly just like what I9000 can do. 540 is much better than 530 in data but there is a small gap in actual use.
I'm really disappointed in mto who just put efuse and 530 in droidx..
The eFuse so far has not been an issue at all. What makes you think it will become one?
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What I mean is, the eFuse is not some sort of "OMG you cannot mod this phone because it will brick itself forever!" kind of scenario. Its simply got a locked boot loader, so it will take a bit longer for it to be hacked and for smart people to figure out a way around that. We have root and we have SBF, and the two together gives you the ability to modify just about anything on the DroidX and fix it if you "break" it. So, whats the big deal?
i have the droid x and the samsung vibrant.....both are really nice phones.
the vibrant screen is more...well.....'vibrant', and i actually prefer it to the droid x screen but mine has a bluish tint when brightness is set to low levels.
the vibrant actually has MORE lag than the droid x, especially when opening and closing apps. it's not something you notice on all apps, but sometimes it's ridiculous, especially considering the 'horsepower' of the vibrant. as far as games go, i really don't notice the difference between the two, other than the fact that the vibrant is much more colorful.
yes, the vibrant looks a lot like my iphone 2g. whether that's bad or good is up to you.
the droid x feels MUCH more solidly built and my vibrant already has a minor 'squeak' or two....nothing major though.
for myself, the droid x screen is a bit more visible in direct sunlight.
MOST importantly, verizon has MUCH better coverage where i live now. i spent the weekend out of the city and my vibrant had ZERO signal....makes the choice between the two easier
gerelee said:
i have the droid x and the samsung vibrant.....both are really nice phones.
the vibrant screen is more...well.....'vibrant', and i actually prefer it to the droid x screen but mine has a bluish tint when brightness is set to low levels.
the vibrant actually has MORE lag than the droid x, especially when opening and closing apps. it's not something you notice on all apps, but sometimes it's ridiculous, especially considering the 'horsepower' of the vibrant. as far as games go, i really don't notice the difference between the two, other than the fact that the vibrant is much more colorful.
yes, the vibrant looks a lot like my iphone 2g. whether that's bad or good is up to you.
the droid x feels MUCH more solidly built and my vibrant already has a minor 'squeak' or two....nothing major though.
for myself, the droid x screen is a bit more visible in direct sunlight.
MOST importantly, verizon has MUCH better coverage where i live now. i spent the weekend out of the city and my vibrant had ZERO signal....makes the choice between the two easier
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That's really a nice advise for me. I do love Droid X so so much. Droid X was so cool when i just saw him at the first time. To be honest i dont love the appearance of i9000. So i think i've had the decision.
i don't think you can go wrong with either choice though it looks like you've settled on the droid x. i hope you enjoy it
I think the boot loader/eFuse issue will become more apparent when we get to gingerbread and beyond. Who knows how long or how speedily Moto will support the X. at least with the Galaxy S's you'll have other options.
Regarding the faster app startup on the X, I think it has faster access memory. At lest it send that way.
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Regarding the faster app startup on the X, I think it has faster access memory. At lest it send that way.
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No it doesn't..the Vibrant as is has a bug in the I/O and the RFS system..the community already made a workaround to get it working properly...it gets 2200+ quadrant scores as well with the fix running 2.1 lol
Either way the lag is fixed once you do that I/O fix...my guess is samsung will release an official fix for the I/O as well...
How does TouchWiz 3.0 compare to nijablur?
I would think Froyo 2.2 should see a larger improvement on the Galaxy S compared to Droid X going from 2.1 to 2.2.
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How does TouchWiz 3.0 compare to nijablur?
I would think Froyo 2.2 should see a larger improvement on the Galaxy S compared to Droid X going from 2.1 to 2.2.
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You gotta judge that for yourself..personally I like Touchwiz 3.0 better then sense and motoblur....but thats my personal opinion...some people hate on Touchwiz 3.0 because they don't realize its completely different then the previous Touchwiz...best way is to try it yourself since everyone has their preferences. Most of the hate so far for Touchwiz 3.0 was the "iphonish" look rather then anything else lol
As for improvement, I hope so..with the I/O fix the I9000 gets a 2200+ Quadrant score running 2.1...now Imagine running froyo?!?!? If it hits 5000 I'd wet my pants lol
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You gotta judge that for yourself..personally I like Touchwiz 3.0 better then sense and motoblur....but thats my personal opinion...some people hate on Touchwiz 3.0 because they don't realize its completely different then the previous Touchwiz...best way is to try it yourself since everyone has their preferences. Most of the hate so far for Touchwiz 3.0 was the "iphonish" look rather then anything else lol
As for improvement, I hope so..with the I/O fix the I9000 gets a 2200+ Quadrant score running 2.1...now Imagine running froyo?!?!? If it hits 5000 I'd wet my pants lol
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Its been coming out from multiple sources that this is only because a partitioning tweak being done for the most part. Not saying it isn't a nice phone but comeon. You get one benchmark and all of a sudden its pants wetting time? The Droid X and the Samsung are pretty much right next to each other in real performance.
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Its been coming out from multiple sources that this is only because a partitioning tweak being done for the most part. Not saying it isn't a nice phone but comeon. You get one benchmark and all of a sudden its pants wetting time? The Droid X and the Samsung are pretty much right next to each other in real performance.
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I said if the Galaxy S hits 5000 quadrant score with Froyo then its pants wetting time...
The Droid X is a nice phone yes..BUT the specs on the Galaxy S is a lot higher.
1ghz OMAP(Droid X) < 1ghz Hummingbird(Galaxy S)
SGX530(Droid X) < SGX540(Galaxy S)
SGX530 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected]) for the handheld mobile market
SGX535 (28 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/[email protected]) - http://www.imgtec.com/partners/NEC.asp http://www2.renesas.com/news/en/archive/0710/0201.html (Intel calls it the GMA 500)
SGX540 (90 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/[email protected], Max Memory Band (GB/s) 4.2GB/s) for handheld high end mobile, portable, MID, UMPC, consumer, and automotive devices
Even the iPhone 4 has a SGX535 which is 2x better gpu then whats in a Droid X...the GPU in the Galaxy S though is sick..it pretty much is better then a PS2 ...
What apps besides a handful of intensive 3D games use the GPU?
Mikerrrrrrrr said:
What apps besides a handful of intensive 3D games use the GPU?
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Games, Flash and Video...and once the Gingerbread comes out the whole OS.
none of us will care by then, as we will have moved on to the next 'hot' phone, lol!
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none of us will care by then, as we will have moved on to the next 'hot' phone, lol!
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Gingerbread is gonna come out this fall...but performance wise the Galaxy S is actually pretty good...The Galaxy S is pretty much 3x more powerful then an EVO...so I can easily see it lasting at least a year...if anything will bottleneck this phone for future is the 512mb ram...or if dual cores are implemented will enable better multithreading..but these features will take time to implement...
This is why the Galaxy S is pretty much the best it can get in the specs given and should last at least a year.
I'm thinking about getting into the world of Android and smartphones but I'm not sure which phone to get. The Samsung Captivate is good and I have used it before but the Bravo just came out and it seems good as well. I'm not sure which one would be a better choice. Can anyone help?
good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
yanks27xwc said:
good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
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If I got either one, I would root it since I'm not a big fan of TouchWiz or MotoBlur and would get rid of it. Is the Bravo as smooth as the Captivate for performance, games, and overall usage? Can you list pros and cons of both?
I too am pondering getting the Bravo or going back to the Captivate, has the Captivates GPS issues been fixed?
If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
yanks27xwc said:
If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
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I won't really use the GPS so that's not an issue for me. How's battery life on them? Also I heard the screen on the Bravo is actually pretty good for a TFT LCD. Do you think once Froyo comes to the Bravo it will perform just as good as the Captivate?
As a Galaxy S owner I would add that you would need to be clinically insane to choose a Bravo over the Captivate =P
It's just no comparison...Captivate has better specs, MUCH better screen, better camera/video, guaranteed upgrade to Froyo and most likely Gingerbread.
Motoblur sucks bigtime, and who knows, it could take a year before you get Froyo.
Is it worth upgrading right now? I can upgrade in October of 2011, but my dad said I can take his account to upgrade......
What are you using now? Yes the bravo screen is decent but it does not compare to the amoled...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 rollin a ridiculously quick Axura beta 2
i'm using just a regular feature phone. the thing about the bravo that intrigues me is the better battery life, crystal talk, and fm radio
I have both phones.
The captivate is a better phone (spec wise) and the screen and size are awesome, but Samsung really goofed with their file system - reports of lag are true in many database intensive uses (email access) and really makes things annoying. Also, the Samsung email and Calendar customizations have nice pros, but also many cons.
The Bravo is a midrange phone but Moto did a nice job on email and calendar enhancements if you like Exchange integration.
I like the form factor and screen of the captivate, but the Bravo is a good solid phone. If you could get rid of MotoBlur it would be even better, but it is possible to ignore blur and enjoy the phone.
I used to think the Captivate was the hands down winner, but it has enough irritations that I like the Bravo for business use. For movies, the Captivate cant be beat.
dude, the Captivate is packed full of problems. the biggest downside is that it shuts off by itself. Unless you are a real tech wiz, I highly suggest you pick something else in the Galaxy S family. The vibrant is a good start.
get the MOTOROLA BRAVO!
Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
BravoMotorola said:
Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Just because the benchmark scores are higher doesn't make it a better phone. I use them as reference for seeing how good a phone is but I don't think too much of them.
I might go to the AT&T store and try the Bravo out for myself. But there's that rumored Motorola phone with the Tegra 2. Should I hold out for that?
Well yea, true.
The benchmark scores are a big deal though, I mean it shows you how powerful the phone is, but the Captivate does have a AMOLED screen and it takes HD video..., but I've always known Motorola to make pretty good quality phones.
And yes...that phone will be really awesome if they can find a way for a battery to power all of that stuff! It seems interesting to wait...and you know the more you wait the better things get, and I think it would be interesting if you waited, and if the phone didn't work out or if it was for a different carrier, then you could always go back to these phones, and by then they will be much cheaper!
If you don't wait then I think you should still get the bravo, it's a really nice phone!!
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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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I suggest that you do some research in the captivate forum. 1036 quadrant score? If my Galaxy S would score that low I would be worried. I rarely get lower than 2200 quadrant score, personal record is 2504 by the way... only need a lag fix app and preferrably a custom kernel. the galaxy s series are bad ass phones if you enjoy fiddling a bit with them. cheers!
agreed, so much out there you can do with the captivate, i've had so much fun with this phone. not saying i didnt like the bravo, but i'd choose captivate as of right now
Id still consider the bravo...
Once th xda REALLY gets a hold pf this phone, the Bravo, it will be MUCH more powerful. This thing has the capabilities of clocking the processor to 1ghz. And those scores are with 2.1, 2.2 will double the performance and like I said, thats coming soon! I rooted mine and was able to somewhat over clock, got it up to like 1400...but I can't wait until 2.2. It will be an awesome phone. But yea, stock Bravo to stock Galaxy S...Bravo wins. So I'm guessing over powered Galaxy S to over powered Bravo, the Bravo will easily win.
I mentioned this in another thread here, but this is my first smartphone, coming from a Moto RAZR. Two weeks later, I'm not sure how I hung onto that dinosaur for so long. I like the Bravo and will keep it. It may feel like my RAZR in six months, but for now it's a huge leap.
Tis true, you would have to be a crazy to even put the bravo in the same class as the captivate.. Captivate by a longshot wins..
Hey G2 people!
I just got this phone for free and I was wondering, is there anything else new on the horizon that I should wait for (and therefore sell this phone)?
I have the option to go with this or the Vibrant, (was offered both). Not sure which route I should pick or if I shouldn't pick either at all and just sell it off and put that towards something else.
Any input on the matter would be great.
Take it, the ETF is $200 but they still fetch almost $400 on ebay (since the free G2 deal is harder to get now than it was in November).
I'm kinda holding off on selling mine yet, I might just do it and go get a Virgin Optimus if/when those come around. Trading down sounds like a yucky idea but I wouldn't mind a considerably cheaper bill <3
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Take it, the ETF is $200 but they still fetch almost $400 on ebay (since the free G2 deal is harder to get now than it was in November).
I'm kinda holding off on selling mine yet, I might just do it and go get a Virgin Optimus if/when those come around. Trading down sounds like a yucky idea but I wouldn't mind a considerably cheaper bill <3
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Oh, I wasn't going to cancel on my contract, since I'm perfectly happy with my HD2. Lawl.
The history of phones with proper keyboards is that this is only the SECOND decent one (after the DREAM). All the other phones with keyboards have some stupid crap that makes the keyboard useless (like improperly aligned buttons -- see anything motorola for example). The wait was 2 years. If history repeats, it could be another 2 years before another good phone becomes available.
Note that there will ALWAYS be something newer and better waiting to come in the future. This will NEVER change. At some point, you need to say to yourself... ok, that's enough waiting!
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The history of phones with proper keyboards is that this is only the SECOND decent one (after the DREAM). All the other phones with keyboards have some stupid crap that makes the keyboard useless (like improperly aligned buttons -- see anything motorola for example). The wait was 2 years. If history repeats, it could be another 2 years before another good phone becomes available.
Note that there will ALWAYS be something newer and better waiting to come in the future. This will NEVER change. At some point, you need to say to yourself... ok, that's enough waiting!
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Hmm, thank you, you make a good point. How "fast" is the G2 under stock speeds? I am aware of the crazy 1.8 GHZ overclock going on with this processor (I'm still amazed that the processor doesn't melt). Do all of you guys run it at 1.8 GHZ all the time? Or do you just keep it at 1.4 or 1.5?
Also, any input about the Vibrant? Any users who moved to the G2 from the Vibrant?
Only a complete idiot would go to a Samsung device Go to the store and hold it in your hand, then you'll know what I mean
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Hmm, thank you, you make a good point. How "fast" is the G2 under stock speeds? I am aware of the crazy 1.8 GHZ overclock going on with this processor (I'm still amazed that the processor doesn't melt). Do all of you guys run it at 1.8 GHZ all the time? Or do you just keep it at 1.4 or 1.5?
Also, any input about the Vibrant? Any users who moved to the G2 from the Vibrant?
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I generally keep mine at the stock 800 MHz, sometimes I run it at about 1 GHz, and I only crank it up to 1.5 GHz for benchmarking. It runs really smooth with very little or no lag at 800 MHz even with live wallpapers and widgets, and at 1 GHz, it's perfect in my opinion.
I think this is the best phone you will see on T-Mobile for quite a while. To me, it's significantly better than the Vibrant, Nexus S, or the new MyTouch, and I think it will be solid for a few years as it is an excellent phone with a strong dev community.
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I generally keep mine at the stock 800 MHz, sometimes I run it at about 1 GHz, and I only crank it up to 1.5 GHz for benchmarking. It runs really smooth with very little or no lag at 800 MHz even with live wallpapers and widgets, and at 1 GHz, it's perfect in my opinion.
I think this is the best phone you will see on T-Mobile for quite a while. To me, it's significantly better than the Vibrant, Nexus S, or the new MyTouch, and I think it will be solid for a few years as it is an excellent phone with a strong dev community.
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Hmm, thanks for that input, I appreciate it. I guess I'm going to finally make the move from WinMo (I'm one of the few nutjobs who actually like Windows Mobile) to Android soon from my HD2. With the whole MAGDLR going on, I'm going to let that settle over the next few months before I permanently put Android on that.
I'm not sure about this, but does the G2 have a separate GPU chip (Like the Vibrant), or is the SNapdragon in the G2 an "does-everything" kinda of chip?
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Hmm, thanks for that input, I appreciate it. I guess I'm going to finally make the move from WinMo (I'm one of the few nutjobs who actually like Windows Mobile) to Android soon from my HD2. With the whole MAGDLR going on, I'm going to let that settle over the next few months before I permanently put Android on that.
I'm not sure about this, but does the G2 have a separate GPU chip (Like the Vibrant), or is the SNapdragon in the G2 an "does-everything" kinda of chip?
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Android is light years ahead of WinMo. Android is so much smoother, more stable, and more usable. You will not be disappointed if you get the G2.
The GPU is integrated into the Snapdragon chip.
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Only a complete idiot would go to a Samsung device Go to the store and hold it in your hand, then you'll know what I mean
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I had a pretty poor impression of the plastic housing of the Galaxy S devices based on comments like this one. But when I went to the store and actually played with one, I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, its plastic and light. But didn't feel as cheap or poorly made as I had imagined. The build quality seems fairly solid, but that's just a personal opinion. And not nearly impressive (or sturdy feeling) as a brushed aluminum housing.
Physical design aside, negative comments I've read here and elsewhere regarding various issues with the Samsung devices (CPU lag, GPS issues) as well as poor customer support have been enough to turn me away from that manufacturer. Plus, I've read posts by a couple users on here that have owned both a Galaxy S device and the Vision, and say that the Vision is a better phone hands-down.
Thanks redpoint. Your opinion on the matter alongside others here pretty much have me set that I didn't make the bad choice by getting the G2. (The rep initially flat out denied and didn't want to give it to me and tried to sell me on the Vibrant ).
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I had a pretty poor impression of the plastic housing of the Galaxy S devices based on comments like this one. But when I went to the store and actually played with one, I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, its plastic and light. But didn't feel as cheap or poorly made as I had imagined. The build quality seems fairly solid, but that's just a personal opinion. And not nearly impressive (or sturdy feeling) as a brushed aluminum housing.
Physical design aside, negative comments I've read here and elsewhere regarding various issues with the Samsung devices (CPU lag, GPS issues) as well as poor customer support have been enough to turn me away from that manufacturer. Plus, I've read posts by a couple users on here that have owned both a Galaxy S device and the Vision, and say that the Vision is a better phone hands-down.
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Thanks redpoint. Your opinion on the matter alongside others here pretty much have me set that I didn't make the bad choice by getting the G2. (The rep initially flat out denied and didn't want to give it to me and tried to sell me on the Vibrant ).
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Your welcome! I think the only thing you are really gaining with the Vibrant is the bigger screen, which is also slightly more vivid due to it being AMOLED. But direct comparisons in reviews I've read (haven't had a chance to compare side-by-side personally) say the display on the Vibrant/Galaxy S is only slightly better than the display on the G2. The display on the G2 is still really darned good!
The Galaxy S phones have a much better speaker as well as the nicer screen and bigger internal storage. The negative points of the Galaxy have been debated again and again, but it does handle multimedia better, as well as shooting better video and pictures, in my opinion.
I still wouldn't swap my DZ for one though, even if you paid me - I NEED my keyboard, plus compared to my friend's Galaxy S, the battery life is WAY better
You just have to try both out and see what you like. I personally have both the Vibrant and the G2 and I have to say I like the Vibrant much better. Not only is it significantly lighter and won't weigh my pants down, the screen on the Vibrant just appears so much nicer than on the G2. While the G2 screen is nice, it appears no different than the one on the Touch Pro 2 that I had.
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Hmm, thank you, you make a good point. How "fast" is the G2 under stock speeds? I am aware of the crazy 1.8 GHZ overclock going on with this processor (I'm still amazed that the processor doesn't melt). Do all of you guys run it at 1.8 GHZ all the time? Or do you just keep it at 1.4 or 1.5?
Also, any input about the Vibrant? Any users who moved to the G2 from the Vibrant?
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I keep my max frequency in SetCPU at 1.5GHz, but I use the on demand governor so it's only that fast when it needs to be.
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I haven't touched the clock speed -- running it at 800 MHz. The thing is just wickedly fast. Most of this has to do with having a very decent GPU, and out-of-this-world I/O performance thanks to the eMMC. Changing the clock speed really won't yield a major overall performance improvement -- it will just benefit functions that are computationally intense...
Thanks guys for all the feedback.
I've actually seen the Vibrant in person, while I only played with it for like a minute, I remember noticing how "artificial" the screen looked. The colors just "popped" too much, like it was on max saturation settings.
But yeah, I guess I'm excited to have a look at a stock android phone for the first time (I hate any skin over it).
Cheers!
Sold my galaxy s, too many damn problems. Fixable, yes, but the list is almost endless G2 is the first phone I've ever had that is 'complete' from my perspective. Other phones advertise a lot, but don't do what they say on the tin. The galaxy s screen was very nice and bright, but as soon as you hold it at a slight angle it goes blue tinted.
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While the G2 screen is nice, it appears no different than the one on the Touch Pro 2 that I had.
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You sir, are smoking crack. The screen on the TP2 is not even close.
as an owner of both, i personally prefer the vibrant, when its not out for repairs. In the last 60 days i have had the vibrant fewer days than the repair shop.
Vibrant has a much larger screen, more basic layout, and is a LOT lighter. Desire Z has a slower processor but sense runs faster, and the more i use it the more i realize that sense is... nicer. just a better, more thought out layout for everything.
Personally given the choice i like my vibrant better, but its not very relyable and the canadian version anyways has a high tendancy to crash and burn, so given this information thats why i currently use my Desire Z.
In short: Vibrant has a much nicer screen, i like it better
Desire Z is more reliable, very nice phone well worth keeping considering vibrants issues
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.
Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it
I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?
Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.
If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.
So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
Tried my friend's Sensation out for a day and he tried my Atrix out for the same day.
The Sensation was slightly laggy, even for such a powerful processor (or was i just used to the smoothness of the Atrix?) camera was awesome and overall the phone is pretty damn good! However, he got it back with a full battery (had to charge it overnight or else it would die on me) whereas when he gave my Atrix back, it was still running on the charge from a day ago, after his heavy use too (albeit, it was nearly dead). If i was you, i'd stay with the Atrix, but at the end of the day, it's up to you.
Only if you don't mind losing battery life...
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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AFAIK it was all stock, not even rooted. We just like to swap our devices every once in a while (done the same with game consoles). I'm not saying it's a bad device though
If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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yea i dont see that as a good idea as your buddy who gets the atrix will be the clear winner in that trade!
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double posted, same reply as above, sorry!
I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
We all have difference opinions. Some may love it but some may not. Try testing out at places or with a friend and get the feel for it. Dev here are not very active just yet but in mean time they will.
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I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
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I used to have an atrix and personally.. trading it for a sensation was the best move ever. However, I had to add on a bit of cash
I hate how the atrix recognizes the internal as an "sd card" and my other reasons was because Sense>Motoblur (in my opinion!) and I liked the looks of the sensation more + on top of that, (correct me if I'm wrong) the development in atrix forums seemed to slow down.. and on the other hand, sensations dev is still going strong! I also think that the back cover is 100x better - but, there's also flaws with the sensation cover. Can't say it's perfect
Also everyone complaining about battery life.. my sensation was unplugged 10pm last night, went to bed, woke up with 90% remaining, went to work! Got home it's now 3pm and I'm at 55% (I had a ~30 minute call and lots of texts as well as gmail syncing 2 accounts/facebook/twitter) HOWEVER I'm using a different battery. Look up "Anker". This thing is a beast! Surprisingly, it's lasting very well. I wouldn't say the battery is an issue. With this 55% it will definitely last me until tonight!
Just my two cents! I'm also in canada as well and signal/speed isn't an issue either.
You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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Well, if he defends it and everyone elses opinions/arguments are better than his, then the atrix will be the clear winner! and agreed with the opinions part!
I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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i would stick on the Atrix bandwagon for a little while longer, we're about to get nightlies on CM7 which means all our devs will be able to work on their own individual projects again. the only reason our development slowed down was because ibproud organized most of the Atrix devs into a group to port CM7 for us; now that it's almost done, people will start building their own ROMs and hacks.
it may take a month or two more, but it'll most definitely be worth the wait
Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
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- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
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If i were you i'd look to swap for the sensation XE not the sensation as i believe the atrix to be better than the normal sensation
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OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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?? Wtf?
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Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
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- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
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I wouldn't say that the Geforce ULP is betfer than the Adreno 220 GPU. Just look at the benchmark results on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17 (don't forget the qHD resolution on all Adreno 220 phones either). Also the processor of the Atrix is not faster; it handles flash better because of software reasons, but that 0,2GHz difference is visible in Linpack, so I guess custom ROMs would unleash that power with software optimizations. Also something you left out is the lack of NEON support in the Atrix (no .mkv playback or high profile h.264).
I don't want to say that the Atrix is not a great phone - I had it for a while, but then sold it for an SGSII (great decision) - but the Sensation is just better imo.