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a thread of hope!!!

the end has not come, this community is smart it will find a work around for all of this, i am sure. don't throw out ur g1 or say to hell with google (yet) they have not issued a formal public statement about this yet so be patient and pray and tell Google what they are doing to us all and most of all support our devs we will find a way!!!

Hah, I thought there would be some useful information in this thread. Anywho, Google's already damaged it's reputation, I've already decided I'm no longer supporting their OS. Oh and now I look like a twat for telling everyone how great it is >.<

AdrianK said:
Hah, I thought there would be some useful information in this thread. Anywho, Google's already damaged it's reputation, I've already decided I'm no longer supporting their OS. Oh and now I look like a twat for telling everyone how great it is >.<
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lol i put in general 1 because that's where it belongs and 2 because i did not want people to think it was something of developmental use sorry about that. and like i said they have not made on official statement yet so say maybe they just wont want anyone to include the apps like the blog post seems to be trying say.

Hope! Only if Google takes the stick out.
Official Google response
HTML:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/note-on-google-apps-for-android.html
the problem from my perspective is that Google has a little known problem of Premature Release, probably in every sense of the term. the Android OS SHOULDN’T have been release as it stood. way too many short comings. so people that needed more phone functionality looked other places. guess what? Cyanogen filled that need. if Google wanted to keep their apps closed source then the Android OS should have stayed in RD for at least another year to make it a more robust OS that could compete with the Win Mo, and iFunk phones. for those of us that jumped on the wagon early, we were willing to wait for the Community to catch it up. now that Google has taken that away from us, i will not only be looking for a replacement to the G1, but will also, be using word of mouth to condemn their product, what they did and what they will probably continue to do. yep, I'm a schmuck for saying all those great things to early - premature release, it's contagious.
i will be looking for a replacement to my G1. funny, I now have a bad taste in my mouth (premature release, haha). any suggestions? Maybe the HTC Touch Pro II. yep, thats right, you heard it here first. i will be sporting one of those other evil imperial phones mentioned earlier. right after i honor my contractual obligation to my cell provider. BTW, shouldn't paying for the device, cell connectivity, and data plans in and of itself license the apps on the device? it came pre-bundled with those apps when I took it out of the package. another instance of Corporate America fleecing the American middle class!
GOOGLE - wanna see market share run out the door? keep doing what you are doing. keep releasing inferior products to the public, see how that goes.
this world is going to crap! AIG, Blackwater, Iraq, Enron, WorldComm, George W. Bush President for 8 years, Mike Vick able to play in the NFL, Google releases an Open Source OS and then closes it??? WTF? Time for a good ole rebellion against the Man and the Machine. Let your voice be heard!!!
I’m done.!

Frogzilla said:
Official Google response
HTML:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/note-on-google-apps-for-android.html
the problem from my perspective is that Google has a little known problem of Premature Release, probably in every sense of the term. the Android OS SHOULDN’T have been release as it stood. way too many short comings. so people that needed more phone functionality looked other places. guess what? Cyanogen filled that need. if Google wanted to keep their apps closed source then the Android OS should have stayed in RD for at least another year to make it a more robust OS that could compete with the Win Mo, and iFunk phones. for those of us that jumped on the wagon early, we were willing to wait for the Community to catch it up. now that Google has taken that away from us, i will not only be looking for a replacement to the G1, but will also, be using word of mouth to condemn their product, what they did and what they will probably continue to do. yep, I'm a schmuck for saying all those great things to early - premature release, it's contagious.
i will be looking for a replacement to my G1. funny, I now have a bad taste in my mouth (premature release, haha). any suggestions? Maybe the HTC Touch Pro II. yep, thats right, you heard it here first. i will be sporting one of those other evil imperial phones mentioned earlier. right after i honor my contractual obligation to my cell provider. BTW, shouldn't paying for the device, cell connectivity, and data plans in and of itself license the apps on the device? it came pre-bundled with those apps when I took it out of the package. another instance of Corporate America fleecing the American middle class!
GOOGLE - wanna see market share run out the door? keep doing what you are doing. keep releasing inferior products to the public, see how that goes.
this world is going to crap! AIG, Blackwater, Iraq, Enron, WorldComm, George W. Bush President for 8 years, Mike Vick able to play in the NFL, Google releases an Open Source OS and then closes it??? WTF? Time for a good ole rebellion against the Man and the Machine. Let your voice be heard!!!
I’m done.!
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Yeah I was also telling all my iFriends how great android was, as the previous iPhone user they're going to laugh in my face *sigh*
Time for an eBay listing :-(

Frogzilla said:
Official Google response
HTML:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/note-on-google-apps-for-android.html
the problem from my perspective is that Google has a little known problem of Premature Release, probably in every sense of the term. the Android OS SHOULDN’T have been release as it stood. way too many short comings. so people that needed more phone functionality looked other places. guess what? Cyanogen filled that need. if Google wanted to keep their apps closed source then the Android OS should have stayed in RD for at least another year to make it a more robust OS that could compete with the Win Mo, and iFunk phones. for those of us that jumped on the wagon early, we were willing to wait for the Community to catch it up. now that Google has taken that away from us, i will not only be looking for a replacement to the G1, but will also, be using word of mouth to condemn their product, what they did and what they will probably continue to do. yep, I'm a schmuck for saying all those great things to early - premature release, it's contagious.
i will be looking for a replacement to my G1. funny, I now have a bad taste in my mouth (premature release, haha). any suggestions? Maybe the HTC Touch Pro II. yep, thats right, you heard it here first. i will be sporting one of those other evil imperial phones mentioned earlier. right after i honor my contractual obligation to my cell provider. BTW, shouldn't paying for the device, cell connectivity, and data plans in and of itself license the apps on the device? it came pre-bundled with those apps when I took it out of the package. another instance of Corporate America fleecing the American middle class!
GOOGLE - wanna see market share run out the door? keep doing what you are doing. keep releasing inferior products to the public, see how that goes.
this world is going to crap! AIG, Blackwater, Iraq, Enron, WorldComm, George W. Bush President for 8 years, Mike Vick able to play in the NFL, Google releases an Open Source OS and then closes it??? WTF? Time for a good ole rebellion against the Man and the Machine. Let your voice be heard!!!
I’m done.!
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the moment i lose hope ill go underground and stating making making bombs for the rebellion.jk but seriously we have nothing more than a vague blog post and are we just kind of reading into and thinking they are going to start being heavy handed like the others. but we don't know for sure yet so like i said just wait before we all start jumping ship.

Some people seem to be mistaken. Android, although owned by Google, are not one in the same. Android is open source, not googles apps. I agree it sucks and Android is almost useless without google apps, but you can't really hate Android for what their parent company is doing. I am sure we will figure something out.
DISTRIBUTING google apps is illegal. When we purchased our device we also bought the right to USE the non-open apps. NOT the right to distribute them. So it is NOT illegal to make "roms" for personaly use right? So if rom developers made roms for "personal use" and someone happened to get a hold of the rom and made a torrent, then the developer would not be in the wrong correct?

CBowley said:
Some people seem to be mistaken. Android, although owned by Google, are not one in the same. Android is open source, not googles apps. I agree it sucks and Android is almost useless without google apps, but you can't really hate Android for what their parent company is doing. I am sure we will figure something out.
DISTRIBUTING google apps is illegal. When we purchased our device we also bought the right to USE the non-open apps. NOT the right to distribute them. So it is NOT illegal to make "roms" for personaly use right? So if rom developers made roms for "personal use" and someone happened to get a hold of the rom and made a torrent, then the developer would not be in the wrong correct?
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or if just made backups or alternatives then i think google will honestly will leave us be. as long we are no trying to get leaked apps left and right its all the leaked builds and apps that are pissing them off. if was htc i would be pissed about all the hero roms being about long before the phone was available its like posting warzs almost.

There are already far too many threads on this subject that I've left open. Please keep discussion in those threads. Thanks!

GPS Fix and Froyo ETAs

Since a new thread seams to pop up every day asking for ETA's I suppose we can have a thread specifically discussing what we ACTUALLY know. Here is what "I" know at the moment.
GPS Fix
Currently there is a leaked firmware (see development forum) that looks like it improves the GPS functionality nicely. This has a build date of Sept 7th so it is fairly new. Due to certain issues, this appears to be a beta still. However, it does have the TMO apps on it so it is further along than a pre-carrier build. Given a beta cycle of a couple of weeks, if this goes out as an OTA, it would look to be at the end of the month at best.
It has been reported in another thread that TMO will start rolling out a GPS/Lag fix on Sept 20th. This is most likely based on, or is, the leaked ROM that you can find in the dev section. So far, reports on the GPS fix are "mostly" positive.
Froyo (Android 2.2.)
There have been no leaked ROMs for the Vibrant yet although there is for international versions. Samsung_mobile on twitter said Froyo at the end of September. Given the information in the previous section, it seems an interim build may be coming to TMO first, before a Froyo is pushed out. This one though is a complete unknown besides from that twitter post.
It is currently expected that Samsung will release a Froyo build TO CARRIERS on Sept 23rd. We are not likely to see a Froyo update for at least 45 days after that if not longer depending on how long it takes TMO to "wiz it up"

GPS is working very nicely for me on that new rom with no issues.

I was locking onto 6 birds yesterday. All stock. WHATUP NOW
Still take some froyo though haaa
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.

KerryG said:
While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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Yeah, if we are lucky, we may get it by the time Google releases Android 3.0 in October....
I am sooo disappointed that every Android manufacturer locks down their product so tight, that without their cooperation, the phones are simply not upgradable to the new OS versions. In a way it's worse than dealing with the iPhone

Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.

couped said:
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.

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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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are you serious?
I think you need a new hobby...

There is really no good excuse for the delay.
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.

Amen.
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In T-mobile/Samsung's defense...
When the first update for the G1 came out, it released in the UK before it hit the U.S.
Turns out that there was some kind of security bug in it, and they actually had to stop offering the update.
The testing aspect is why these updates take so long. It takes longer to test (and fix minor issues) than to correct the main problem.
What it boils down to is that no one really knows these devices in and out. You have cameras from one company, radios from another company, GPS chipsets from a third company, processors from a 4th, etc... and on top of it all your OS is written by a company that is very new to the electronics business.
The problem is the pace of technology.... sure you could pay 2 or 3 geniuses $100,000 a year for 2 years to learn every idiosyncrasy of ONE of your devices... but does that make sense when you have 2 or 3 new models going to market in 6 months?
Apple is probably the best suited company to have a team of experts who know their ONE device in and out... and even they screw it up (proximity sensor, antenna debacle).

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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.

Maybe old news by now, but Androidspin is reporting Froyo for the international version with a Sept 23 release date.
noob user, can't post links. visit android spin for the story.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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Ill agree with this, if Samsungs priority was 2.2 it would have been done by now, easily. I mean 2.2 has been out since may. Its 4 months later, they could roll it out now if it had been properly and timely worked on.

It's not like all Samsung makes are phones.
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I'm still waiting for the HTC TV, HTC Washer and Dryer, maybe a Nokia Refrigerator....
When the other Companies start making all of this stuff, then u can compare

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.

mjpacheco said:
So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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Well, I do a bit of most of the above.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers is so tough it takes years?
Or that we should not expect much from Samsung products, because they are a diversified company and can't focus on any particular product?

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
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I pay 400 people to do software development, and I agree with the other guy.

MacGuy2006 said:
No, I run a company.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers takes years?
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Ha, no. I'm OS and hardware agnostic across all platforms.
My point is realistic expectations. If the GPS update was top priority for Samsung and/or easy to fix (it very well may not have been), it would be done.
As the owner of a company, you know more than anybody the tradeoff's that need to be made when making business decisions. It easy to complain when you are individually impacted about the priority of some specific piece of work, but for Samsung you know they made concious decisions about release scheduling.
Given recent news, it looks like the GPS/hardware fix is being release seperately from 2.2. I'm a little dissapointed in this, it's seems likely that means we will not get the 2.2 fix before the end of September. Ideally they would be rolled together if 2.2 was close... unless the fix just took so long the release timeframes have been squeezed together. And all assuming the GPS fix is merged with 2.2.
Anyway, I'm rambling, no way to know unless we sit in on Samsung development meetings and what challenges they have had with the 2.2 release.
My 'guess' is Samsung had marketing dates to meet with the original OS and released the product before everything was baked in. There are lots of oddities and bugs in the phone I have not seen in other platforms (like HTC), and these are hopefully fixed and may explain the extra time.
I agree with you re: the UI. For those that care, and it likely the more technically savy are the ones that care, it's easy to change... one of the compelling things about any android device.

The Tab is nearly ready to launch. I'm sure it has been tested with 2.2 for a number of weeks, if not months. The have the drivers ready. They are likely devoting tine and energy to hardware releases at this time. It would be nice if they would release vanilla android then the other stuff in the market. They already do that for the samsung home and car apps.
It is really frustrating that these companies cripple good devices with bloatware and make you root to uninstall it. Gingerbread will be nice because all of these extras will be apps. Which is how it should have been from day one.
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Gingerbread OTA in 'the coming weeks' still

http://twitter.com/googlenexus/status/16974464310845440
Why is it always 'the coming weeks' with Google?
Could mean the ATO goes out the end of this week and continues over the coming weeks, or it could mean the OTA will start in a few weeks.
But I'm happy to wait, we've got stuff to tide us over for now.

Clarkster said:
http://twitter.com/googlenexus/status/16974464310845440
Why is it always 'the coming weeks' with Google?
Could mean the ATO goes out the end of this week and continues over the coming weeks, or it could mean the OTA will start in a few weeks.
But I'm happy to wait, we've got stuff to tide us over for now.
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iirc:
days = weeks
weeks = months
months = go fishing

This "a few weeks" crap is really starting to get old.

There's a shock.

This is BS. Jan 6 they will announce Honeycomb/MotoTab while Nexus One owners are still waiting for 2.3 OTA?
So what is the true developer device? Nexus One? S? MotoTab for Honeycomb whether its 2.4 or 3.0?

They said the same thing about our OTA when they announced Froyo. I think was pushed about a month later.
I don't really care about the OTA but I'd like some updated drivers so AOSP would run smoothly.

I honestly expect more out of Google.
I mean, I do systems engineering and I totally understand what its like to develop firmware and software development, but this is google. Theyve got armies of engineers and talented people who I think are passionate of their product.
For them to jumble and bobble these dates, is this a case of internal politics between program teams, bad marketing strategy, or is google human like everybody else and cannot execute a software release cleanly and on time?
Take a look at CM. They don't promise dates and work their tails off to get you a stable release. And they're not getting at 10% pay raise across the board. Talk about passion (pun intended).

I would just like to know when they changed the statement that the N1 would get all future updates ahead of all other devices...

I would say that the delay will be like the one with Froyo. Every time a new build is tested, new bugs will emerge. It's frustrating, but they'll be working hard on it.
Sent from my Nexus One

dowmace said:
I would just like to know when they changed the statement that the N1 would get all future updates ahead of all other devices...
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Technically no other phone has received the 2.3 "update" ahead of the Nexus One.
The Nexus S "launched" with 2.3

This feels like a polygamous relationship. lol

I am suprised there hasnt been a leak yet like froyo did

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I am suprised there hasnt been a leak yet like froyo did
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Because Gingerbread was developed using a Nexus S...and Froyo the Nexus One.
The only builds that happened to have a chance for leaking before 16th of December were those coming from the Nexus S used for Demos by some sites.

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Because Gingerbread was developed using a Nexus S...and Froyo the Nexus One.
The only builds that happened to have a chance for leaking before 16th of December were those coming from the Nexus S used for Demos by some sites.
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Then why was it always a Nexus One when Google was showing off Gingerbread? Or when we got that leaked video of the screen off animation? Or the other leaked videos? Always Nexus Ones.
I assume that it wasn't perfect yet and near the Nexus S release date all development was shifted to that to get rid of bugs there first, now it's time to go back and finish the Nexus One.

a few weeks is starting to sound like a few months...

austinwsj said:
This is BS. Jan 6 they will announce Honeycomb/MotoTab while Nexus One owners are still waiting for 2.3 OTA?
So what is the true developer device? Nexus One? S? MotoTab for Honeycomb whether its 2.4 or 3.0?
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gosh...talk about mixing apples and tennis balls.
What has the Honeycomb/MotoTab announcement to do with the Nexus One being the Dev. Phone.
Do Nexus S buyers have reasons to feel betrayed cos just only 20 days after buying the newest of phones with the latest of Androids, suddenly a newer version of the latter is announced? Please...
It's the same with Nexus One users and updates, be patient, that's all. Is FroYo that bad that you can't wait or just want to get Gingerbread asap? Novelty wears fast.
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From the release of 2.2 a few weeks translates into 6 weeks.

BiTXBoi said:
gosh...talk about mixing apples and tennis balls.
What has the Honeycomb/MotoTab announcement to do with the Nexus One being the Dev. Phone.
Do Nexus S buyers have reasons to feel betrayed cos just only 20 days after buying the newest of phones with the latest of Androids, suddenly a newer version of the latter is announced? Please...
It's the same with Nexus One users and updates, be patient, that's all. Is FroYo that bad that you can't wait or just want to get Gingerbread asap? Novelty wears fast.
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Well, this is the problem with being open, developing fast and the problem of fragmentation.
Frankly I was surprised and impressed when Rubin announced that Honeycomb will run on both phones and tablets, implementation of panes will be different per device, but ultimately both form factors will share the underlying framework.
That being said, it does seem that the general strategy is to create a mobile OS across multiple form factors and use cases.
If that is the case, what is the true "google experience"? Nexus? the tablet? a new developer device?
I dont think its been stated explicitly but the beauty of Android is how quickly its evolved due to its disruptive nature. 500 dollars is well spent if the product gains functionality by software updates over the course of time it is used. If you think about it, wouldn't the nexus line of phones be theoretically depreciate the least for a product that is considered an expense?
Thus the excitement/impatience for the latest and greatest.

Maybe Google secretly hates everyone still using an N1 and their righteous outrage at not having everything yesterday. Maybe Google gave Samsung gingerbread exclusivity until 2011. Didn't the Droid get a fair bit of fanfare with it's 2.0 exclusivity? 5 days into 2010 and we were introduced to the N1 and 2.1.
I have to imagine it would have been a pain to develop on a phone while Samsung was still monkeying around with the GPS and then there's the video evidence of gingerbread on the N1. My guess is that gingerbread is probably nicely baked for our consumption and just waiting on the calendar.
So why not ever give us precise dates? It's not like OTA updates happen in a day, it's taken weeks for updates to reach me in Canada (when I don't do it manually). Google has told us it's coming and coming soon at that. That's a hell of a lot more than the users of any other phone (barring 1) can say.
People on sites like this will ***** if it's not the right colour, if it doesn't make toast for them, if they don't know when they're getting it down to the minute. Google may as well just let us *****, there's nothing they can do about it.
I'd encourage patience but if you're browsing XDA patience is not in your nature.

If it means so much for all of you to be first on the list for updates - GO BUY A NEXUS S AND SHUT THE HELL UP.
Otherwise, acknowledge your phone is a year old and quit being unrealistic FFS, half of you must be ten years old - if that's the case, do what you did the first time; go grab mommy or daddy's credit card and order a Nexus S.

Everybody chill! =)

Just wanted to say - I got my Xoom, and yes, I do see some freezes and weird behavior every once in a while.
It doesn't bother me though.
We're all early adopters helping to push Honeycomb forward. Since Xoom is the only tablet atm that uses honeycomb, and it's a pure "Google Experience Device", I'm sure we'll have updates from ElGoog soon and often. Plus, this device is a heaven for developmental though and experimentation, so I'm sure we'll see great things from our local genuises at XDA.
So everyone chill and enjoy a rare opportunity to be there when it all starts =)

DarkDvr said:
Just wanted to say - I got my Xoom, and yes, I do see some freezes and weird behavior every once in a while.
It doesn't bother me though.
We're all early adopters helping to push Honeycomb forward. Since Xoom is the only tablet atm that uses honeycomb, and it's a pure "Google Experience Device", I'm sure we'll have updates from ElGoog soon and often. Plus, this device is a heaven for developmental though and experimentation, so I'm sure we'll see great things from our local genuises at XDA.
So everyone chill and enjoy a rare opportunity to be there when it all starts =)
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I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.

Yea I couldn't agree more.just be patient.we'll have a flash update coming within two weeks also.I love my Xoom
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keitht said:
I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.
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+1 mines never froze, fc'd or lagged either. Its a little slow rotating sometimes but its not an issue.
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I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.

Apple doesn't release products before they are ready? Really? Have you used an iPhone 4 and tried to make a phone call? Did you used an Ipad when it first came out? It had no software for it. Once competition comes and millions of people buy android tablets, the developers will come.
While I agree I would of prefered and more polished Honeycomb, there are ALWAYS growing pains with new technology...especially with brand a new OS. My xoom, like wine, will only get better with age.
Just give it time. It isn't a half assed product....it just needs some software updates. Lets all be happy that soon the mod community is going to do things with it that won't be possible with other devices.
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Yeah. It's not halfassed. Only about 5% assed.
I think the update will work wonders.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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I just wonder how you can give a valid opinion about something you don't own. It would be like me giving an opinion on a ferrari italia.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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i am using my bt keyboard on the xoom. honeycomb is quite e finished product in terms of its normal use. ive not had one freeze or rrreboot. i had one force close becasue i tried to run a rdp/vnc app. it force closed and i move to next app which did work for controlling my pc. you have people on here either talking without owning the product or loading things not designed or updated for this hardware OR software. such as flashlight apps, launchers, etc. ive used all the apps designed for tablets in the market and ive had no issues. ive played the couple of free games (which performed quite well) and used things as simple as the weather app. smooth sailing. i WOULD like to see more apps (like dish networks sling app) but thats not moto or googles fault.
the bugs ive read about in most topics dont happen to me. im gonna be testing the 720 rip playback later as i havent moved much media to mine yet.
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keitht said:
I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.
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Hey, I was first in line at my South Fla Costco...lol. You must have gone to Flagler.
I've had a few FC's but I'll admit they were mainly on the first day. Since then I've been good.

colbyb25 said:
Apple doesn't release products before they are ready? Really? Have you used an iPhone 4 and tried to make a phone call? Did you used an Ipad when it first came out? It had no software for it. Once competition comes and millions of people buy android tablets, the developers will come.
While I agree I would of prefered and more polished Honeycomb, there are ALWAYS growing pains with new technology...especially with brand a new OS. My xoom, like wine, will only get better with age.
Just give it time. It isn't a half assed product....it just needs some software updates. Lets all be happy that soon the mod community is going to do things with it that won't be possible with other devices.
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The iPhone4 was a design decision. Had they waited 3 more months it still would have had that same problem.
The iPad had over a thousand third party apps at launch, what are you talking about?
And Android isn't going to compete in the tablet world by releasing beta tablets with buggy software. A normal user would have returned the Xoom after seeing 7 apps at launch, no flash at launch, non functional SD card slot, buggy OS and apps force closing. If normal users see this as their first impression of a Google tablet, that will stick with them for a while. The "early adopter" nonsense is absolutely the worst argument that anyone could make.

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Hey, I was first in line at my South Fla Costco...lol. You must have gone to Flagler.
I've had a few FC's but I'll admit they were mainly on the first day. Since then I've been good.
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I went to Pompano Beach Costco. The Verizon guy there gave me trouble with the activation thing. I had to keep pushing him to call more people. Each person he called at Verizon didn't know about the change that activation is not required. Hopefully I helped anyone that came after me

I had two freezes while playing cordy. There was an update for it yesterday that seems to have fixed it. Other than that I have not had any stability issues, just some minor graphical issues.
As far as Apple stability goes am I the only one old enough to remember the axiom "never buy a first Gen apple product."? Apple is somewhat notorious for problems with first Gen products.
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muyoso said:
The iPhone4 was a design decision. Had they waited 3 more months it still would have had that same problem.
The iPad had over a thousand third party apps at launch, what are you talking about?
And Android isn't going to compete in the tablet world by releasing beta tablets with buggy software. A normal user would have returned the Xoom after seeing 7 apps at launch, no flash at launch, non functional SD card slot, buggy OS and apps force closing. If normal users see this as their first impression of a Google tablet, that will stick with them for a while. The "early adopter" nonsense is absolutely the worst argument that anyone could make.
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I'm glad you knew this, I was starting to think I had no argument.

JanetPanic said:
I had two freezes while playing cordy. There was an update for it yesterday that seems to have fixed it. Other than that I have not had any stability issues, just some minor graphical issues.
As far as Apple stability goes am I the only one old enough to remember the axiom "never buy a first Gen apple product."? Apple is somewhat notorious for problems with first Gen products.
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I think you can say the same with most companies that release version 1 products.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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Obviously they could have waited, its about supply and demand. The demand was there, so they got it out as fast as they could in working order. It has its problems, software problems, I love it it and didnt want to wait a day longer. They know what they're doing, google isn't Microsoft lol. It works, we want it, were willing to sacrifice a little functionality to be able to have it now, we love it , if you don't like the problems then thats your problem dont cry about i, either don't get one or wait to get one, everyone who bought it knew for the most part what types of problems we might come across, nobody is making you buy it nor keep it! You have no right to speculate on why they should or should not have released it like this, only the right to not buy or use it

parrotheadmjb said:
Obviously they could have waited, its about supply and demand. The demand was there, so they got it out as fast as they could in working order. It has its problems, software problems, I love it it and didnt want to wait a day longer. They know what they're doing, google isn't Microsoft lol. It works, we want it, were willing to sacrifice a little functionality to be able to have it now, we love it , if you don't like the problems then thats your problem dont cry about i, either don't get one or wait to get one, everyone who bought it knew for the most part what types of problems we might come across, nobody is making you buy it nor keep it! You have no right to speculate on why they should or should not have released it like this, only the right to not buy or use it
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sorry but a user has every right to gripe about the limitations of the product they purchased.
Google has a history of releasing buggy products, and improving them over time. its just how they do it. (a la google tv, nexus one launch, etc) does that make them a bad company? no. but to a mainstream (non techie) user who uses the product as is, the xoom out of the box is somewhat of a disappointment because of some basic feature limitations at launch. (no software sd support, no flash support, lack of proper video encoding support, which is a surprise as Google is normally great with cross compatibility). I personally feel that the Xoom launch was rushed in order to get as many early adopter sales before the iPad2 hits. I'm verrry sure that had the xoom been released the same time as iPad2 launch date, xoom sales numbers would be much lower.
i was an avid iPad user (gave it away), and currently awaiting for the xoom to arrive in the mail. i'm looking forward to using it.

What you are totally missing is the fact that the majority of apps look and work just fine. None of this "2x" bull crap that apple did with there tablet launch. I ask, did you purchase an Ipad when it first came out? Do you own a Xoom? If no to one or both counts, you lose some credibility with your argument.
No one is giving Motorola or Google a pass, but there is some kind of understanding with new gear. That is not an excuse, but something to take into account. I personally love xoom, both for what is and what it can and will be. You want a completely bug free and flawless piece of equipment, make it yourself. If you have ever ran your own company, you would know that every prouduct and system goes through some level of growing pains.
Too many people think the xoom is supposed to magically outsell the I pad...which will never happen. Apple, if nothing else has done an AMAZING job at marketing and creating demand for their sometimes sub par, at least technologcally, products. That being said, android is picking up steam and offering a solid competition to the ios system. Does it still have a ways to go...sure. But it is heading that way and things are only going to get better from here.
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aohus said:
sorry but a user has every right to gripe about the limitations of the product they purchased.
Google has a history of releasing buggy products, and improving them over time. its just how they do it. (a la google tv, nexus one launch, etc) does that make them a bad company? no. but to a mainstream (non techie) user who uses the product as is, the xoom out of the box is somewhat of a disappointment because of some basic feature limitations at launch. (no software sd support, no flash support, lack of proper video encoding support, which is a surprise as Google is normally great with cross compatibility). I personally feel that the Xoom launch was rushed in order to get as many early adopter sales before the iPad2 hits. I'm verrry sure that had the xoom been released the same time as iPad2 launch date, xoom sales numbers would be much lower.
i was an avid iPad user (gave it away), and currently awaiting for the xoom to arrive in the mail. i'm looking forward to using it.
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You just contradicted yourself, you said
1. They have the right to complain about the product being released too early
2. Google has a history of releasing buggy products
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They have no right to complain, they knew in advance or they don't possess the ability to think
Also, you can just return it.... but no *****ing about the obvious is a better idea

Well, the no software argument is pointless, you'll have to wait here. Phone Android didn't start with that much apps either, same for iPhone, Windows, any OS.

Guess evos features set trends :) (Poll)

Lol in my words I'll sum up the article from sammys pov...oh shyttt htc is pumping out 1.2 quick let's upgrade it so it won't fail...to me epic fail, stop copying if you want to do something different at least try to beat them, don't match em
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/06/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-dual-core-cpu-getting-bumped-up-to-1-2ghz/

Don't forget to thank him, guys.

conqu1stador said:
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
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Damn straight playa

It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.

Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.

mattykinsx said:
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
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Oh no doubt I was only speculating on the fact that they used 1.2, they could have done 1.1 for battery life or even 1.3 to "beat" the competition I just found it funny how they did this, it kind of utters what they did like a month ago or maybe weeks with the galaxy tab, once they saw the iPad 2 s pricing they delayed the release and then came out with cheaper pricing, IMO samsungs trying to change their somewhat poor reputation which I respect but at the same time do something that the competition hasn't already, you guys see what I'm saying

I'm with you HTC over Samsung any day!!!

blackroseMD1 said:
Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.

Thanks for the feedback with posts and votes guys

mattykinsx said:
There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
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i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"

Dan330 said:
i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.

housry23 said:
No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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Ding ding
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Well it'd be nice to have all the phones updated that way it leads to more competition, thanks for voting everyone

housry23 said:
No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"

someone really had to be the dbag...smh, samsung lmao, whateverrrr

Dan330 said:
hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile

HTC Evo 3d.
I played with a Vibrant when I was with T-Mobile and an Epic when I first started Sprint (I actually still have Odin and the software package to run to return to 2.1 unrooted in case my idiot friend bricks his phone again ). I just like HTC's hardware and software better. The phone feels faster, looks faster, feels more durable, looks more durable, performs better, looks prettier and seems more stable than touchwiz sammy phones. Even with their Nexus S, they still manage to screw a lot of things up. No expandable memory = a 16GB Android iPhone. Make entirely out of cheap plastic. Fail.
HTC > Samsung

mattykinsx said:
Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
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cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!

Dan330 said:
cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
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No its not what I said.
I said there is going to be a non fragmentation clause.
I'm sure there will be rules to it because at some point old phones really can't handle the new software improvements ...however....there iis NO EXCUSE BUT LAZINESS for practically all phones not running android 2.3.3.
Furthermore it does NOT violate the definition of open source.
Just as the GPL does not violate the idea of open source.
Its merely a condition...you use the software on your devices...you keep the software updated to protect your users.
Its just another stipulation.

how would that stipulation or clause be worded or enforced on an open source product?
i agree it would be great...
but i dont think it will work for this enviroment