Lol in my words I'll sum up the article from sammys pov...oh shyttt htc is pumping out 1.2 quick let's upgrade it so it won't fail...to me epic fail, stop copying if you want to do something different at least try to beat them, don't match em
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/06/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-dual-core-cpu-getting-bumped-up-to-1-2ghz/
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
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Don't forget to thank him, guys.
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Damn straight playa
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
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It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
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Oh no doubt I was only speculating on the fact that they used 1.2, they could have done 1.1 for battery life or even 1.3 to "beat" the competition I just found it funny how they did this, it kind of utters what they did like a month ago or maybe weeks with the galaxy tab, once they saw the iPad 2 s pricing they delayed the release and then came out with cheaper pricing, IMO samsungs trying to change their somewhat poor reputation which I respect but at the same time do something that the competition hasn't already, you guys see what I'm saying
I'm with you HTC over Samsung any day!!!
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Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
Thanks for the feedback with posts and votes guys
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
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i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
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i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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Ding ding
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Well it'd be nice to have all the phones updated that way it leads to more competition, thanks for voting everyone
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
someone really had to be the dbag...smh, samsung lmao, whateverrrr
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
HTC Evo 3d.
I played with a Vibrant when I was with T-Mobile and an Epic when I first started Sprint (I actually still have Odin and the software package to run to return to 2.1 unrooted in case my idiot friend bricks his phone again ). I just like HTC's hardware and software better. The phone feels faster, looks faster, feels more durable, looks more durable, performs better, looks prettier and seems more stable than touchwiz sammy phones. Even with their Nexus S, they still manage to screw a lot of things up. No expandable memory = a 16GB Android iPhone. Make entirely out of cheap plastic. Fail.
HTC > Samsung
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
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cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
Dan330 said:
cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
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No its not what I said.
I said there is going to be a non fragmentation clause.
I'm sure there will be rules to it because at some point old phones really can't handle the new software improvements ...however....there iis NO EXCUSE BUT LAZINESS for practically all phones not running android 2.3.3.
Furthermore it does NOT violate the definition of open source.
Just as the GPL does not violate the idea of open source.
Its merely a condition...you use the software on your devices...you keep the software updated to protect your users.
Its just another stipulation.
how would that stipulation or clause be worded or enforced on an open source product?
i agree it would be great...
but i dont think it will work for this enviroment
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Galaxy S is a wonderful phone with many-many hardware advantages but with one major disadvantage, and it's called Samsung Software Support.
I really like this phone but I believe that Froyo will be the last update that Samsung is going to give, so i believe that the only hope of this phone is custom Roms
Nexus One have great cookers like to support it. Does anyone have the intention to do the same thing for Galaxy S?
If you are worried about that, then don't buy the Galaxy S now. Wait a month or two and see how it looks then?
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Thats what I'm going to do, I don't plan to buy it now, but I have my eye on it and I didnt find any info on the subject, so I made this thread.
hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, google said that in the next 6 months is going to amaze us. I believe that mean gingerbread.
I also believe that google has many innovations to show us with android so an upgradeable device is necessary.
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hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
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True, true, but i mean at the very least some common and very easy bug fixes and stuff. I own the Omnia II and the only bug fixes come from cookers and very very few ppl who has privileged access to samsung new roms (and they "won't" tell where they get it from, so prolly insider roms imo).
By the way, what's that "amazing" thing google has announced??? hardware or software??
i think the "bad support" by samsung is exaggerated by people...
i would not call it bad support, if samsung releases updates to add the following long after the release of the phone (they could have said "we already got your money ... bad luck for you"):
they fixed photocontacts, then after it was fixed they changed photocontacts because people did not like the way it worked (but it worked nontheless)...
what company would change something after they just fixed it so it is not broken anymore ? that is really bad support, to hear the wishes and likes of how things should work (even if they are currently not broken).
then they gave us kinetic scrolling .. something that was never even mentioned as feature for the phone in the first place ...
i think its just greedy people who spend some money on a phone and now expect the manufacturer to keep it updated forever so it is always the best with all features that even where not invented when the phone initially was released ... go to work, earn some dollars and buy a new phone instead of expecting a company (whos target is to make money) to spend money just so you have the finest things for free without giving a dime for it and after that the spoilt users will still moarn that they did not get unlimited updates for free
If you check out their open source website, you will find Galaxy S' Kernel and driver. I'm not custom ROM developer, and dose not know about that well.
However, other XDA member said that this is enough to port other ROMs such as Sense UI.
According to Samsung Mobile twitter, Froyo will come 100%. Ginger-Bread is not clear.
I will buy Galaxy S. More people means More support from home cooker.
Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Agreed lol!
the 2.1 on the sammy seems VERY usable, yes forever, not just for a year, because it has nearly everything we would need.
the more you get, the more you want.
I question whether people actually sit down and think. Some say "no 2.2 froyo = a failure".. while before it was "no 2.1 = a failure".. and before that no "1.6 = a failure". it's a foolish never ending cycle of wanting more more more even though each version is fully usable.
seriously what kind of comment is that, the phone has everything almost, even if it doesn't according to the person, it has enough for us to use it as a phone and camera and internet and mp3/video.
I hope people will realize what is on the sammy is enough (unless you want to install themes only that's cool).
Obviously not indicative of whether or not the GS will get Gingerbread, but as for bug fixes Samsung are apparently releasing GS firmware updates in Singapore:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2781948&page=95
From my own limited experience, there were several firmware updates for the Omnia I as well, although never an official upgrade from WinMo 6.1 to to 6.5 even though the phone could run it just fine (probably because they wanted to sell Omnia II instead).
Well, that's what i mean. I also had omnia, it's a very good phone that never got win6.5 officially even though it could.
That's what i'm afraid of with galaxy.
I expect many innovations with every new version of android so it would like to be able to have it in Galaxy s if im going to be an owner.
Lets hope that a great cooker is heading this way
Well, concerning Samsung's support, I'm pretty sure it's not going to be that bad. Samsung released Android 2.1 for the Galaxy Spica way before HTC has released Android 2.1 for the Hero. It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones, and that's because they apparently don't want to support phones that haven't sold well (and probably because they have to pay for the Qualcomm drivers). Because the Galaxy S is probably going to be rather popular with its worldwide release and runs on Samsung's own hardware, I do think Samsung will supply us with an update, at least to Android 2.2.
As for ROM development: Samsung has provided us with the complete source of Android running on the Galaxy S, so it should be perfectly possible to develop ROMs once the device is rooted (which could even be accomplished with the HTC Incredible) and a bootloader can be used for it. At least, that's how far I've understood it.
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Well, concerning Samsung's support, ..... It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones. .....
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Their Symbian phones didn't get the same love as well. I am afraid this is not restricted to one part of the world or one phone or two. It's just Samsung providing almost perfect hardware and crappy software.
The orphan approach is what Samsung keep doing. While, the community suppose to be the one adopting Samsung projects. This kinda lame and I really hate it.
Anyway, back to the topic (somehow).
Does anyone of you heard any news about Samsung Galaxy S Pro?
I am trying to hold for 1 month or two before getting my Android and I am not the type who changes his phone according to a season or his pair of shoes.
Hopefully, the keyboard version comes sooner than latter.
The next thing to wow us is probably gonna be phones with screens that can produce 3D effects
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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I think HP used to produce quick update for windows mobile devices. However, they are charging for the update. That for windows 2003se to WM5.
I have bad experience with HTC. They take forever to update.
Another phone I have is O2 XDA mini. I never have any update since the device release.
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
[3]Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
S.p.x. said:
1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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regardless of the fact i see no reason for them not to upgrade to gingerbread i doubt very serious there would be much hardship, also knowing me if/when this come to t-mobile and i get it i know it will be rooted so im not worrying about updates on a company end.
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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1 - Apologies. I guess I didn't really press the "m" when I typed Symbian.
2 - It wasn't always, which is why I wrote "have/had" and included it. I don't even know, if Symbian was free when Samsung used it in the Omnia HD...
3 - Good!
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Samsung should take notes from Motorola.
The Droid 2 is breaking records in sales, mostly due to
marketing the Android 2.2 software and UI. Samsung has to hurry and get Froyo to the masses of Galaxy S owners and sell the hell out of it.
They have to keep up with the Jonses in order to sell these phones.
I think T-Mobile should step in and push this with their partners and have a huge re-launch of the phone. The vibrant is a great phone It just needs better marketing and cutting edge UI.
What do you think?
That's why it's called Samsung and T-mobile.
I'm thinking Samsung will announce something at IFA, which starts September 2nd. Their twitter keeps saying they're making a lot of big announcements. I'm hoping to get a definitive date for froyo then or at very least, the GPS fix.
Yeah I definetly agree with you. These Galaxy S phones have the hardware, but not the killer software to match it.
I was set on buying an iPhone, because I had no clue a phone like this even existed on my network.
But Samsung is by no means stupid and have been making some really indicative suggestions that we will be seeing some big changes in software in the next couple of months.
I'm more than sure that we will get Froyo, GPS fixes, and more by the end of September.
WHAT?!?!
FIRST:
the X doesn't have froyo. They have a leaked version with piss poor benchmarks.
SECOND:
the galaxy is always having a commercial on tv.
Their also selling very well.
He's referring to the "Droid 2", not the "Droid X."
I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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i'm lost, you want to put food on your phone and that is supposed to be a selling point...
People don't even know what android is. They go around asking if that's the droid phone. I'm sure they aren't aware of different versions of software or why it matters.
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People don't even know what android is. They go around asking if that's the droid phone. I'm sure they aren't aware of different versions of software or why it matters.
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Lol. I get that all the time, I switched from the iphone 4 to the vibrant and everyone of my friends calls it a droid. Verizon spent alot of money on marketing, but i guess any "droid" exposure is good.
Yeah + let's not forget motorola's other phones sitting on 1.5 with blur...even the behold 2 got 1.6 lol nothing to strive for
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LOL get the same thing.
Google was probably so pissed Motorola.
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I think that us techno gadget geeks here on xda certainly care about Froyo. But out of all the people I know that are in the market for a new smart phone, or actually have android phones, they don't care about froyo, or even really know what that is if you mentioned it. I think the masses care about getting on facebook and taking a picture with their phone, etc... I think the silly things like having avatar on it are a bigger selling point to the masses compared to which version of android it has on it.
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I agree, I think that most people want to hear "it's like an iphone" not "it's running android 2.2 with a 1ghz blah blah blah...."
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Lol. I get that all the time, I switched from the iphone 4 to the vibrant and everyone of my friends calls it a droid. Verizon spent alot of money on marketing, but i guess any "droid" exposure is good.
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Ha. Same here. People at work ask me questions about my "droid phone". My co-worker said she almost bought a droid the other day. I asked her which one and she said, "you know, the droid phone," as if there's only one. I've explained to them before what android is but it clearly doesn't sink in. I think its safe to say most people that aren't tech nerds are clueless. Even my iphone sporting friends don't know what Android is.
Pretty much they only care can about the surface stuff really. My brother in law has a news girlfriend who had a hero and didn't even know about the market on it at all. She didn't even know it was android.
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Yea I will have to agree that the mainstream consumer isn't going to know what version of android they're running/if they have an android phone/care about updates. All they're going to see is the big screen and avatar on the vibrant and want to buy it. The tmobile store demos has a little sign listing the specs like 1ghz processor but a good mass of people won't have a clue what that even means.
Hopefully froyo comes in September because I decided to not go the rooting route this time and just patiently wait it out. I would be annoyed if they waited until the fascinate came out to release froyo.
Where do you see the Droid 2 is breaking sales records? Have you seen the numbers for Galaxy S phones? They expect to sell 10 MILLION over the next 12 months. That's more than iPhone 4 by itself. Samsung has got the Galaxy S on pretty much every provider in every country, I would have to call that pretty damned good marketing. The fact that a few hundred or every a few thousand people are chomping at the bit for Froyo doesn't even begin to move the needle enough for them to even care. The fact that they are moving forward and will be pushing updates and Froyo soon enough means that all the gearheads like us will be recommending the phone to everyone we know.
Missing the boat? I beg to differ, I would say they built the damned boat this year and are fully in charge of its direction.
I really don't understand how the OP says that Samsung is missing the boat with Froyo. They already announced that it will be released in the early part of Sep. A few extra weeks won't KILL YOU!
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I really don't understand how the OP says that Samsung is missing the boat with Froyo. They already announced that it will be released in the early part of Sep. A few extra weeks won't KILL YOU!
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No, it won't kill us, but it will make me think about getting another Samsung.
If Samsung wants to add TouchWiz on their phones, then they should be prepared to react quickly when a new OS upgrade arrives. They've certainly had enough time before the Froyo original announcement.
The fact that they are lagging behind with what is supposed to be their flagship device, makes me nervous about how long it will take for the upgrade to OS 3.0, which will be a much more significant upgrade.
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No, it won't kill us, but it will make me think about getting another Samsung.
If Samsung wants to add TouchWiz on their phones, then they should be prepared to react quickly when a new OS upgrade arrives. They've certainly had enough time before the Froyo original announcement.
The fact that they are lagging behind with what is supposed to be their flagship device, makes me nervous about how long it will take for the upgrade to OS 3.0, which will be a much more significant upgrade.
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What makes you think they will ever upgrade the galaxy s lineup to 3.0?
Since a new thread seams to pop up every day asking for ETA's I suppose we can have a thread specifically discussing what we ACTUALLY know. Here is what "I" know at the moment.
GPS Fix
Currently there is a leaked firmware (see development forum) that looks like it improves the GPS functionality nicely. This has a build date of Sept 7th so it is fairly new. Due to certain issues, this appears to be a beta still. However, it does have the TMO apps on it so it is further along than a pre-carrier build. Given a beta cycle of a couple of weeks, if this goes out as an OTA, it would look to be at the end of the month at best.
It has been reported in another thread that TMO will start rolling out a GPS/Lag fix on Sept 20th. This is most likely based on, or is, the leaked ROM that you can find in the dev section. So far, reports on the GPS fix are "mostly" positive.
Froyo (Android 2.2.)
There have been no leaked ROMs for the Vibrant yet although there is for international versions. Samsung_mobile on twitter said Froyo at the end of September. Given the information in the previous section, it seems an interim build may be coming to TMO first, before a Froyo is pushed out. This one though is a complete unknown besides from that twitter post.
It is currently expected that Samsung will release a Froyo build TO CARRIERS on Sept 23rd. We are not likely to see a Froyo update for at least 45 days after that if not longer depending on how long it takes TMO to "wiz it up"
GPS is working very nicely for me on that new rom with no issues.
I was locking onto 6 birds yesterday. All stock. WHATUP NOW
Still take some froyo though haaa
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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Yeah, if we are lucky, we may get it by the time Google releases Android 3.0 in October....
I am sooo disappointed that every Android manufacturer locks down their product so tight, that without their cooperation, the phones are simply not upgradable to the new OS versions. In a way it's worse than dealing with the iPhone
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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are you serious?
I think you need a new hobby...
There is really no good excuse for the delay.
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
Amen.
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In T-mobile/Samsung's defense...
When the first update for the G1 came out, it released in the UK before it hit the U.S.
Turns out that there was some kind of security bug in it, and they actually had to stop offering the update.
The testing aspect is why these updates take so long. It takes longer to test (and fix minor issues) than to correct the main problem.
What it boils down to is that no one really knows these devices in and out. You have cameras from one company, radios from another company, GPS chipsets from a third company, processors from a 4th, etc... and on top of it all your OS is written by a company that is very new to the electronics business.
The problem is the pace of technology.... sure you could pay 2 or 3 geniuses $100,000 a year for 2 years to learn every idiosyncrasy of ONE of your devices... but does that make sense when you have 2 or 3 new models going to market in 6 months?
Apple is probably the best suited company to have a team of experts who know their ONE device in and out... and even they screw it up (proximity sensor, antenna debacle).
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
Maybe old news by now, but Androidspin is reporting Froyo for the international version with a Sept 23 release date.
noob user, can't post links. visit android spin for the story.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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Ill agree with this, if Samsungs priority was 2.2 it would have been done by now, easily. I mean 2.2 has been out since may. Its 4 months later, they could roll it out now if it had been properly and timely worked on.
It's not like all Samsung makes are phones.
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I'm still waiting for the HTC TV, HTC Washer and Dryer, maybe a Nokia Refrigerator....
When the other Companies start making all of this stuff, then u can compare
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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Well, I do a bit of most of the above.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers is so tough it takes years?
Or that we should not expect much from Samsung products, because they are a diversified company and can't focus on any particular product?
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I pay 400 people to do software development, and I agree with the other guy.
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No, I run a company.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers takes years?
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Ha, no. I'm OS and hardware agnostic across all platforms.
My point is realistic expectations. If the GPS update was top priority for Samsung and/or easy to fix (it very well may not have been), it would be done.
As the owner of a company, you know more than anybody the tradeoff's that need to be made when making business decisions. It easy to complain when you are individually impacted about the priority of some specific piece of work, but for Samsung you know they made concious decisions about release scheduling.
Given recent news, it looks like the GPS/hardware fix is being release seperately from 2.2. I'm a little dissapointed in this, it's seems likely that means we will not get the 2.2 fix before the end of September. Ideally they would be rolled together if 2.2 was close... unless the fix just took so long the release timeframes have been squeezed together. And all assuming the GPS fix is merged with 2.2.
Anyway, I'm rambling, no way to know unless we sit in on Samsung development meetings and what challenges they have had with the 2.2 release.
My 'guess' is Samsung had marketing dates to meet with the original OS and released the product before everything was baked in. There are lots of oddities and bugs in the phone I have not seen in other platforms (like HTC), and these are hopefully fixed and may explain the extra time.
I agree with you re: the UI. For those that care, and it likely the more technically savy are the ones that care, it's easy to change... one of the compelling things about any android device.
The Tab is nearly ready to launch. I'm sure it has been tested with 2.2 for a number of weeks, if not months. The have the drivers ready. They are likely devoting tine and energy to hardware releases at this time. It would be nice if they would release vanilla android then the other stuff in the market. They already do that for the samsung home and car apps.
It is really frustrating that these companies cripple good devices with bloatware and make you root to uninstall it. Gingerbread will be nice because all of these extras will be apps. Which is how it should have been from day one.
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For those not familiar - #NeverAgain Round 1 - May have brought you Froyo.
I was about to press "Submit New Thread" on the Official #NeverAgain Round 2 thread... but consulted those I consider wiser than me and was told to hold off.
At this point, I think I need to know how the community feels.
The reasons I felt strongly for now being a good time:
GB patches security holes (big for me), I want GB Source (CM7 w/ GPS) and I think Samsung would be hurting/listening if we REALLY DID NOT BUY THE TAB 10.1.
So, If #NeverAgain would work, it would take a COMMUNITY (BIG TIME) EFFORT, and it would take NOT buying the Tab 10.1. And telling people not to buy it. That was the whole intent before, we vowed to not buy their products based on lack of support.
A BIG reason to hold off on NeverAgain....
it honestly may not be Samsung to blame. WTF is going on with T-Mobile? Is the merger to blame?
This movement honesty may be better suited against/in addition towards T-Mobile.
It's in your hands.. you decide how we should handle it.
I just ask that you be respectful, think about it, and do not troll.
DO NOT JUST SAY YES WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE FUTURE.
EDIT: I posted the below comment after reading some posts...
Also.... I have thick skin. You are not going to hurt my feelings. I assure you, my only intention is to try and help this community.
Some thoughts from reading the comments:
Again, I'm not saying it's right, but it could help.
I felt like we should address it as a community, so the majority is on board. A movement doesn't work if it's not supported. By addressing it, having rational thought, we all win and are better off for it.
Sounds like the majority agree it's not right, or the right time. Good. Now the community needs to decide, what is next?
Wait? Question T Mobile? Assume we're the red headed step child of the Galaxy variants?
If not this... What?
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I was about to press "Submit New Thread" on the Official #NeverAgain Round 2 thread... but consulted those I consider wiser than me and was told to hold off.
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...Larry King?
^ not a thread for jokes.
Certain developers
I'm not sure I see what the Tab has to do with this? Honestly, they're pumping out so many new devices at this point I have trouble believing that they'd even care. I mean how many Vibrant owners are even left, I wonder.
Personally, I've already decided against another Samsung device since the first, and original fiasco. Not to mention the whole GPS thing. It's just not OK with me that I purchased a defective product and neither T-Mobile or Samsung seems to care. In fact it was like pulling teeth just getting a replacement device when something completely unrelated went wrong. This, of course, is T-Mobile's fault, but nevertheless it's BS. At this point T-Mobile will be lucky if I stay with them, especially with the Death Star lurking to buy them out. Ugh. I left ATT for greener pastures, dammit.
So, anyway, my point is I'm still riding the original NeverAgain train. Do whatever, I'm down to ***** and complain some more.
This should be a #NeverAgainTMobile thread. There are a bunch of leaks for other devices on other carriers and internationally, the SGS has GB in many countries.
Id hold off a bit to #NeverAgain Samsung. They gave devs some SGS2's and used open source drivers, etc.
They aren't the problem. Carriers are the problem.
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Def agreeing with this, #NeverAgain round two. I recently switched away from my Vibrant because of the lack of updates and support from Samsung. Its almost like we have to file a class action in order to get an update.
To top things off, they are continuing their "forced upgrade" mentality by releasing 2.3 for the SGS4G but nothing for the Vibrant, even though there is very little difference between them (its slightly different but minor).
Even worse, they think that because they gave ONE CM developer a SGSII that they have made up for all the mistakes they have made w/ previous devices, and publicized it like it was the second coming. What about the hundreds of developers that were working on SGS devices before the CM team wanted anything to do with Galaxy S devices (TeamHacksung needed to make an entirely seperate git for their port of CM).
Personally, I am done with Samsung, but I have a bunch of friends and family that are using Samsung Android devices that shouldn't get left behind
So.... #NeverAgain
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This should be a #NeverAgainTMobile thread. There are a bunch of leaks for other devices on other carriers and internationally, the SGS has GB in many countries.
Id hold off a bit to #NeverAgain Samsung. They gave devs some SGS2's and used open source drivers, etc.
They aren't the problem. Carriers are the problem.
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They gave ONE developer a SGSII, and ignored everyone else. Also, a leak is not a official update, and doesnt make it to the majority of users. They need to officially update via KIES or an OTA. Lastly, TMobile just updated the SGS4G to 2.3.3, so the issue is still almost entirely Samsung's IMO. None of the US variants have an official release, and considering the phone is not even a year old, thats pathetic.
We haven't gotten ANYTHING from TMO or Samsung.
"but we got GPS" that leak was for Vibrant4G we're just lucky it worked for us.
Definitely. [insert french accent here] We're the resistance!
I think something needs to be said. EVERY other SGS device has Gingerbread except us. WHY? I think we deserve to know why we aren't being supported. Whether it's because of the merger or something else entirely.
Well I'll get flack for this, but I say no!
I mean, they gave in for Froyo, but lets face it. When we buy our Phones, don't go into the sell for what they might do or get.. but for what they can do at the time of sell...
the other reason, Samsung has shown support to the Dev's in recent events & starting another campaign to me is like spitting in there eye.. You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G, so any support / updates are carrier dependent but samsung might update it... who knows....
Just my 2 cents & not worth much, just give them a bit more time.
~Eugene
This is exactly what I mean.
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Well I'll get flack for this, but I say no!
I mean, they gave in for Froyo, but lets face it. When we buy our Phones, don't go into the sell for what they might do or get.. but for what they can do at the time of sell...
the other reason, Samsung has shown support to the Dev's in recent events & starting another campaign to me is like spitting in there eye.. You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G
Just my 2 cents & not worth much, just give them a bit more time.
~Eugene
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You also have to remember TMO Dropped the Vibrant for the Vibrant 4G, so any support / updates are carrier dependent but samsung might update it... who knows....
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I think they still sell the vibrant. regardless I see no harm from giving then some pressure. why not try to squeeze at least one more update out of them?
Im with CallipH but im also with Eugene, its kind of weird that they started on updates for every other device except the Vibrant, but maybe their doing there work in order. Like i think the Epic 4G was the first phone to see a leak, now the Captivate, most likely it'll be the Fascinate next then us Last. I see it as "Better Late Than Never". It'd be cool if it was early like with FROYO but we just have to hope we get it and if we don't get GINGERBREAD the obvious reason is the Galaxy S 4G. Thats the only possible and reasonable reason. But all we can do is wait and see. Patience is the Key.
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I think something needs to be said. EVERY other SGS device has Gingerbread except us. WHY? I think we deserve to know why we aren't being supported. Whether it's because of the merger or something else entirely.
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Couldn't agree more.
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
I do not think Never again is the right format, Maybe a better format is "We are the loyal and you want to keep us that way heralding Samsung as the Phone of Phones"
I think this may be a better tact and if they do not respond Then go the #neveragain......attack..........
my 2 cents........
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
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Yeah i knew before they even released the Galaxy S 4G leak what was going down. I didn't know that there was no builds yet for the Vibrant. But its weird that no one has started building Gingy for the Vibe yet, I think a lot of people know that these aren't official or even released by Samsung but by Samfirmware, I suppose their suspicious of why the Vibrant don't even have a build yet when we were the first to see FROYO. Or was it the Captivate? I don't remember but we were 1st or 2nd.
I think the real problem with #NeverAgain is that Samsung makes some really great devices. The Tab 10.1 and the SGS II are the best tablet and phone, respectively. Saying that I won't buy them when they blow the competition out of the water is tough.
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The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
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Great point, but would they start development to abandon it half way? They will at least get it at some point, where as we have no evidence that they've even started for us. I'm all in for neveragain.
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I think the real problem with #NeverAgain is that Samsung makes some really great devices. The Tab 10.1 and the SGS II are the best tablet and phone, respectively. Saying that I won't buy them when they blow the competition out of the water is tough.
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Principles. You need them.
I was thinking the same thing with the neveragain round 2, I say just wait a little bit longer, maybe till the beginning of next month and then do it, there is nothing to lose, they need to put pressure on t-mobile since I'm sure its all t-mobile's fault due to all these new phones coming out.
but instead of ssaying we won't buy a galaxy tab 10.1 just say anything samsung branded
Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
Stop whining.
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Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
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I only see Xoom and TF having HC 3.2 so far. Everybody else is still on 3.1.
It just came out...geez cry me a river...return and get a bulky tab with crappy screen....u sound like those guys on vibrant forum...go pout somewhere else! And most of us are running touchwiz...spend less time complaining about the best tab out and learn to flash.
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take it back and go get yourself an Ipad then
You sir need an I pad..
And you still got a GT 10.1 because...?
i do totally agree with you about Samsung really, really sucking it in the update department. The problem with Samsung is they build really awesome and powerful devices but they just don't build the software to match up with them. That is why we have XDA. Dude you can run touchwhiz and you can update. Just give it some time and you will see some better things on here that Samsung can't even come close to touching. This is a brand new tab and only a few weeks old. Give everyone a chance to pick one up and then this forum is going to blow up.
OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
Once ics comes out and the source is released there won't be a problem.
you are right about google
But the hardware vendors are responsible for the updates.
So it is Samsung.
Google has no idea how they are going to enforce update policy and there is no guarantee Samsung will even upgrade the 10.1.
i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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I bet most of them would be able to tell you what features are buggy on their device though
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i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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What don't you understand? That I am a tech savy individual but want to have the most up-to-date software on my device in a timely time-frame? Or that I DO NOT want to Root or Flash my Tablet? Be serious. Your telling him to basically get a iPad because they offer updates across the board. That's not a good thing for Android.
DO NOT WANT TO ROOT OR FLASH !!?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON XDA THEN ?!! LOLZ
you guys are funny to post these complains here, if you want something official ?
go on Samsung's website/facebook or just send them a bunch of hate mail.
jeeez
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OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
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Actually 8. 2 iPhone's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad's. #justsayin
Android is to college as the iPad is to high school. It's more work but the rewards are greater.
There are plenty of people happy with the iPad. Personally, I'm not going to settle for a device that my grandmother can use.
I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I look outside my office and see 10 cubicles, all with PCs running Windows XP. It's stable and runs like a work horse. And, you know what? They get their job done every day and go home at the end of the week with a paycheck. Never once have they asked for Windows 7.
I simply can't imagine what the next version of Android, or Touchwiz, will do for the average user to make it worth venting about on a public forum simply because they didn't get it NOW.