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x10 or desire

dam dont know which one!
which one got better youtube, facebook and twitter apps, how about lag?
at the moent im heading towards desire.. i hear x10 got some issues with keyboard.. and lag.
advise please

no lag on my X10. Both have good youtube facebook, and twitter apps. i installed the HTC keyboard on my X10 and its been perfect.

cheers mate... still cannt decide

dude, there are already so many threads about this, just search for them and read all of them

yea been doing that
looks like i may be heading 2wards desire.....

intrancer said:
yea been doing that
looks like i may be heading 2wards desire.....
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The reason that I chose the X10 is because of the slightly larger screen with slightly higher resolution at 16:9 instead of 15:9 and the pure awesomeness of it's camera! Oh yeah, I think the X10 looks WAY better than the Desire. But that's up to you.

X10 or Desire
Me and dbase-uk are currently comparing these 2 phones as we upgraded the same time, I have the x10 and he has the desire, both on orange.
The main differences we have found at the mo are that the Desire is more polished because of the the android 2.1, but in having said that the X10 does run the same kernel 2.6.29-rel (x10 android 1.6). This enables the X10 to do more of the android 2.1 apps but not all such as live wallpapers.
Simple tasks so far that have got my back with X10 are things like sending a business card via text only seems to be the option to send it via bluetooth very frustrating !! Also things like a you tube link straight from the you tube player in sms, no option have to login in to you tube!! These are all present on the desire straight out the box.
Benchmarks ( linpack )
X10 4 mflops
desire 7 mflops
Stock
The camera is better on the X10 face detection and 8.1 camera and other settings. Dark shooting on the x10 is not as good but there is a new sony build coming out r1fa016 x10 currently on 014, this is meant to fix camera dark settings, overall performance and sound quality.
Timescape is cool and does work well (under review at the mo)
Also the screen on the Deisre ome led and x10 is not but really cannot tell the difference, apart from the black is a little darker on the deisre, I do like the x10 screen it is bigger and looks stunning.
Big shock was the size comparison they are pretty much identical, but to look at them the htc looks a lot smaller because of the rounded corners and smaller screen weight wise cannot tell the difference.
Either way X10 and Desire both run Android wich is the way forward, after have windows mobile and symbian, no comparison!!
Thanks more soon

I went for the X10 in the end. Mostly because I'd been following it for such a long time and its supposed hardware spec (before launch) was on par with the desire.
Once the truth came out about the clearpad 1000 screen and Sony's track record for updates, I was really going to go for the desire as I considered it to be more "future proof".
I wasn't all that excited about the physical design on the desire but I had used sense before on my hero and new that the UI was sound.
However I think that because I'd had a hero before, it was hard to excited about desire as it is virtually the same phone but on steroids.
I've compared them both and the desire is slick and the updated version of sense is brilliant, android 2.1 is brilliant and it may get 720p recording through a software update.
Personally though its still not as exciting as the x10. It got mine in white and it looks good. The screen great, the colours are not as vibrant as the desire as previously said, but once you turn up the brightness the screen improves dramatically (and the battery life decreases drastically!)
The Sony keyboard is absolutely awful as you must've heard by now, but that can be rectified by installing either better keyboard or the HTC one from the desire.
Browsing is a joy on the x10, as Google maps. Although I do sometimes.miss pinch to zoom. The alternatives do work quite well and makes using this phone one handed a breeze.
Although Sony's custom apps can run a little slowly at times as result of the data they collect. The rest of the phone seems quite snappy. I think that if android 2+ comes this phone will impress in a big way.
The other reason I didn't get the desire is because I heard about the evo which I do want. So the x10 is a welcomed change for now. Hopefully since I bought an exclusive white one it will fetch a pretty penny when I come to sell it on in the future.

hey all.. ive been checking out the desire forum as welll....it seems it has just got a slicker ui.... the 2.1 os isnt making a big difference (which i thought it would)
looking at the spec, i read some where it has 1g internal storage.. can someone confirm? apologies if it has been asked already.
on the desire internet explorer you can select and copy paste.... is this possible on the x10

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hey all.. ive been checking out the desire forum as welll....it seems it has just got a slicker ui.... the 2.1 os isnt making a big difference (which i thought it would)
looking at the spec, i read some where it has 1g internal storage.. can someone confirm? apologies if it has been asked already.
on the desire internet explorer you can select and copy paste.... is this possible on the x10
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I believe that the Desire only has 512MB internal storage while the X10 has 1GB.

white paper with complete specs
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/download/1/716/952/1262608264/DW-102192-WP_X10_2.pdf

Having hesitance in buying X10..suggestions pls

after X1...i feel little apprehensive to buy another sony ericsson phone..the way they ditched their customers..i kinda feel betrayed..the phone feels like crap now...outdated OS...laggy interface, finger- unfriendly.
X panels was a joke
- how useful is timescape/mediascape?
now saw the forum..and X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
it is a cool phone..looks classy..good to show off.
-but does it perform decently as a phone?...will i have problems making phone calls & texting?
-and will rooting come on X10? ...coz i want a phone i can customize later..and not a phone which becomes dinosaur like X1

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X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
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I believe you answered your own question

I'll be honest,
I was fortunate enough to have an HTC Desire for 2 weeks before I got the X10...
I sold the desire because I was under the impression that the only things I didn't like about the X10 were to do with Android 2.1 which would be sorted in the update.
After playing with the X10 I'm starting to miss the Desire - the camera seemed to be better with crisper images (surprising?! YEP!!) but again, I'm hoping this will all change with updates, so I'm kind of relying on SE to sort all this out with updates.
I do like the X10, don't get me wrong, BUT I think I will like it even more assuming that I'm right that the updates will sort out the issues.

You are right to be apprehensive. I jumped on this a soon as it was released in the UK. Even though their was a lot of controversy about the specs I bought this.
I also knew the Desire was about to be released to at around the same time.
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- how useful is timescape/mediascape?
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MediaScape is very pretty indeed but i still find myself using the stock music app from time to time for the best functionality.
With Mediascape I have noticed that it does take a few button presses to get to where you want to go. This is down to both the menu structure and the fact on my current firmware the app doesn't always respond to my key presses. I have also found that the pics that i have tagged regularly revert back to their untagged state. The ability to create playlists using Mscape on the device is also lacking.
I tried setting Timescape as my homescreen but it suffered from serious slow down on launch. The app draw was also affected so I reverted back to the stock android's 3 homescreens and the phone was lightening quick again.
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but does it perform decently as a phone?...will i have problems making phone calls & texting?
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In short NO. as phone it is hit a miss. The In-Call Volume is far too quiet and and turned up to max volume on 1.6 you get background interference.
In addition to this there are no initiate call\ end call hard keys sometime feels like there too many options/button presses to make and receive calls.
It works but I feel that it's not as intuative as HTC's own design.
Texting.. Again out of the box texting can be quite a task as the SE keyboard doesnt always recognise key presses. However this can be narrowed down to specific keys when it happens.
You can overcome this though by installing the HTC keyboard or by using Better keyboard from the market.
One more thing to note with text is that TimeScape offers full conversation history with images too and it all looks very tidy. However when you want to respond to message you are taken into what looks like different app that looks less impressive. On the plus side the sms app works in landscape.
On the Plus side, the screen is glorious, browsing is a joy, the OS although not 2.1 is still a joy to use (Comparing to my old Hero on 1.5).
Google maps with Nav and the Camera are also great.
I can't say im completely satisfied with the X10 and on occasion I have been tempted to swap for a Desire. However I have this foolish hope that SE will come good and make this device what it was designed to be. I'm sure you will have heard about the planned updates.
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-and will rooting come on X10? ...coz i want a phone i can customize later..and not a phone which becomes dinosaur like X1
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I think Root will come eventually but at the moment this device isn't as popular as other android handsets because of SE's past record. It's also evident that alot of people are tempted by the x10, but are not sure wether to make the commitment.
HTC is the safe choice (tried and tested) and I thats why they get root first.

don't do my mistake x10 is shi*ty htc rules ,i regretdd leaving my hd2 ,i will threw the x10 into garbage and return my hd2 to be my main device ,or buy a desire . the x10 feels to be a prerelease prototype device ,very un usable

hoss_n2 said:
don't do my mistake x10 is shi*ty htc rules ,i regretdd leaving my hd2 ,i will threw the x10 into garbage and return my hd2 to be my main device ,or buy a desire . the x10 feels to be a prerelease prototype device ,very un usable
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Right... Very unusable and you threw it in the garbage and then returned to WinMo..
Something tells me theres a fair bit of bull**** floating around.
Infact, coming from the HD2 to the X10, the HD2 is much more unusable than the X10. The X10 is FAR FAR more responsive than any WinMo device

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Right... Very unusable and you threw it in the garbage and then returned to WinMo..
Something tells me theres a fair bit of bull**** floating around.
Infact, coming from the HD2 to the X10, the HD2 is much more unusable than the X10. The X10 is FAR FAR more responsive than any WinMo device
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I agree, I came from HD2 to Desire ( for 3 weeks), and now to X10
Desire was a great phone , but lacked that wow factor, was a little bit too boring in design ( personal choice of course)
Reason I want back to the X10 was the screen size, I found the Desire too small.
When we get 2.1 or 2.2 on this phone, it will be the best around, so we need to pray for root as soon as possible. But as usual, in 3 months, there will be something newer out there.

I want to tell you my story : I had the same experience with SE X1 so I was looking for another choice, first thing I decided NO MORE WM , X1 was my first and last windows mobile . I read about Android but never try, I was looking on the net, reading reviews and previews , I found out that the Desire would be the best, but its design was boring not like the fascinating X10.
X10 is the first SE Android experience because of that there might be some bugs, but now after one month using it I can tell you two words GO AHEAD .... that exactly the device which I was looking for, changing from X1 to X10 is like from hell to heaven .
I think a lot of great things will come soon : X10 will be rooted then it will get Android 2.1 (in Q4 2010)
P.S: as an Arabic user I am suffering that the device doesn't support my language, but it's still my favorite

Nocturnal310 said:
now saw the forum..and X10 also has sufficient amount of bugs compared to other Android phones...infact much more than any other high end android phone
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No, that's not true. There's always an over representation of people who have problems on forums! And to tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with my phone. Bug free and lightning fast with the latest update. Mind you that I never use Timescape or Mediascape, but that's me! And the Desire has bugs too.

Hmmm didnt you started a similar thread before?
If you i had given you my opinion there. In short x10 is not a bad phone. If your expectation is high then you're likey to get dissapointed. Desire is a better option. But not the best looking phone imo.
And dont let timescape and medisca
pe affect your decision they are hardly useful

You are right. We cannot habe arabic without rooting so. It is one of biggest problems I had faced
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raundown said:
Hmmm didnt you started a similar thread before?
If you i had given you my opinion there. In short x10 is not a bad phone. If your expectation is high then you're likey to get dissapointed. Desire is a better option. But not the best looking phone imo.
And dont let timescape and medisca
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Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.

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Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.
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Agreed, i had my x10 for a day and its been excellent.

I've had a few niggles with the phone, but nothing major.. I love it, such a great bit of kit.. fast, responsive, clear picture, generally very good ui.. have persevered with Mediascape and quite like it now.. just occasionally use the default mail app to make playlist (which irritatingly can't do in mediascape.. )
managing to get a full day out of the battery now too, and that's with quite a bit of use..
so.. onto OS/ firmware - They've already released a couple of minor build changes.. and another bigger one coming out in the next week or so.. then Android 2.1 (probably not 2.2 or later) in Q4 this year.. I'm not bothered about MT, but then I'm not a big gamer.... all things considered though. A1.6 is pretty damned good anyway.. (my missus has a HTC legend which is great.. but I still prefer my X10..!!

I too came from an X1 to an X10, and couldn't be happier. Even with the X1 modded with an HTC interface, this phone is so much more enjoyable to use. Such a smooth and responsive user experience compared to that one.
My friend has a Desire btw, and on the same network, on the same physical spot, my X10 has better signal reception and higher download speeds. Plus, for some reason the X10 both starts and shuts down WAY faster. So the Desire isn't all that much more desireable in my experience.

Bialynia said:
Why is the Desire a better option? Because it has Android 2.1? Or is it because it displays gray colors as pink? Or maybe because it is unusable in the sun? Or maybe its the poor reception it receives or crappy pictures it takes? The desire has plenty of negatives that people are writing about all over the place, but it's still a GREAT phone. For my money I prefer the X10, some people will prefer the Desire, and that's fine, but my expectations were extremely high with the X10 and it has met every one of them, it's a fantastic phone.
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Sorry for being blunt, i was actually reading this thread on the phone and couldnt type long.
Our hesitating friend here is looking for something that he/she can show off. No doubt both phones are good looking physically and GUI wise. And the X10 suit my taste more.
However you have to admit the animation on the phone is just questionable. There are noticeable minor lags. The most obvious is when you hold your thumb on the home screen to change wallpapers, the window jerks open. Such a simple animation and yet it cant be done nicely on a 1ghz cpu. Hence I dare to say the desire does a better job at this. The animations are so fluid its almost on par with the iphone. You might say i'm being picky, i admit that, thats prob because my expectation was even more higher than yours.
Look nocturnal, both phones have good and bad points, it all depends on what features both phones offer matter to you most, and what are the bad points you can ignore. I'm a pessimist, I like my things by accepting their cons. Im also a X1 user as I mentioned in your earlier thread. Upgrading from that piece of junk to X10 is definitely a huge leap. I maybe complaining about the smallest details i can find on X10, but that does not mean Im not happy with the phone. I know iphone is the only phone(according to my experience) that can do the most fluid GUI, (HTC second) but can i live with no-multitasking, apple being a control freak etc etc? No
I'd give X10 a 8/10, X1 a 2/10.

Pass
I have only purchased SE phones for the past seven years. My last three were the p900a, p910i, and currently I own the x1i. Prior to SE I only purchased Motorola. When the X10 came out I decided to purchase but also wanted to wait to see want x10 owners were saying. I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for enough positives to go ahead a take the x10 plunge. I have learned the hard way that SE gets great hardware out there and is slow to get the software side up and running appropriately, but that is not a deal breaker by itself.
After waiting for several issues to be resolved before purchasing and reading the volume of issues, I have finally decided to give the x10 a pass all together. No, I will wait for the issues facing the x10 to be worked out in the next SE. Like maybe the GX1! That will be sweet when/if it arrives to market.
The reason I have decided to wait: Unlike the p900, p910, and x1, the x10's issues are too involved with the reasons I would buy this ppc.
1) I prefer a hard keyboard and the with the issues facing the on-screen keyboard, the rest of the phone would really have to be superstar to over come this issue for me. Not a deal breaker by itself.
2) Timescape lags, contact photo not clean, issues with google email and facebook functionality, plus doesn't sync'n well and, lack of thoughtfulness with the controls.
3) Battery life is not optimised for the X10's performance. Not a deal breaker
4) Flash 10.1 not released yet and it is not yet known what issues will arise with working on the X10. Current flash players isn't really a proper flash player and video hangs at 50% complete. Issue for me
5) Running 1.6 and given SE track record the phone will get one up date to possibly the 2.1 in NOVEMBER. And, after that x10 owners will be on their own. Plus spring will be the launch of SE's next product. For me this is the biggest issue.
6) Suspicious that the screen protector that is included and shipped attached is really covering up a more serious issue with the actual screen itself. I do not see this as SE being thoughtful. Other wise why not just put it in the box and let the user decide? Some markets even got two screen protectors. One attached and second one to attach at a later time. It smells an awful lot like a screen manufacturing problem to me. Time will tell. But still an issue for me.
These are just a few off the top of my head. None are really deal breakers by themselves, and I know some will be addressed in June with an update and the others will be fixed in November. But why so long? Way too long if SE expects to keep me as a continued long term customers who always buys their flagship products. I also know that some will never be fixed. I would rather wait for the X20 with it's improvements and fixes to the issues facing the X10. Because I know there will not be enough changes to justify trading up from the X10 to the X20 should I buy now. I made that mistake with jumping from the p900 to the p910.
Here is what I would like to see SE and Google under the same roof. This would truly be an international success story. Ericsson's connectivity, Sony's ground breaking portable hardware, Googles OS, and purchase a forth company (purely software) to bring the apps into the 21st century. SE needs to buy a major software developer right now. SE's issues are always related to software and it that take too frick'n long to fix, if they get fixed at all. And, if you decide to get the fix yourself you void your warranty and can't get auto updates any more. Insane!
So unless something seriously ground breaking happens with this X10 I will hold on to my X1 a bit longer.

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I have only purchased SE phones for the past seven years. My last three were the p900a, p910i, and currently I own the x1i. Prior to SE I only purchased Motorola. When the X10 came out I decided to purchase but also wanted to wait to see want x10 owners were saying. I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for enough positives to go ahead a take the x10 plunge. I have learned the hard way that SE gets great hardware out there and is slow to get the software side up and running appropriately, but that is not a deal breaker by itself.
After waiting for several issues to be resolved before purchasing and reading the volume of issues, I have finally decided to give the x10 a pass all together. No, I will wait for the issues facing the x10 to be worked out in the next SE. Like maybe the GX1! That will be sweet when/if it arrives to market.
The reason I have decided to wait: Unlike the p900, p910, and x1, the x10's issues are too involved with the reasons I would buy this ppc.
1) I prefer a hard keyboard and the with the issues facing the on-screen keyboard, the rest of the phone would really have to be superstar to over come this issue for me. Not a deal breaker by itself.
2) Timescape lags, contact photo not clean, issues with google email and facebook functionality, plus doesn't sync'n well and, lack of thoughtfulness with the controls.
3) Battery life is not optimised for the X10's performance. Not a deal breaker
4) Flash 10.1 not released yet and it is not yet known what issues will arise with working on the X10. Current flash players isn't really a proper flash player and video hangs at 50% complete. Issue for me
5) Running 1.6 and given SE track record the phone will get one up date to possibly the 2.1 in NOVEMBER. And, after that x10 owners will be on their own. Plus spring will be the launch of SE's next product. For me this is the biggest issue.
6) Suspicious that the screen protector that is included and shipped attached is really covering up a more serious issue with the actual screen itself. I do not see this as SE being thoughtful. Other wise why not just put it in the box and let the user decide? Some markets even got two screen protectors. One attached and second one to attach at a later time. It smells an awful lot like a screen manufacturing problem to me. Time will tell. But still an issue for me.
These are just a few off the top of my head. None are really deal breakers by themselves, and I know some will be addressed in June with an update and the others will be fixed in November. But why so long? Way too long if SE expects to keep me as a continued long term customers who always buys their flagship products. I also know that some will never be fixed. I would rather wait for the X20 with it's improvements and fixes to the issues facing the X10. Because I know there will not be enough changes to justify trading up from the X10 to the X20 should I buy now. I made that mistake with jumping from the p900 to the p910.
Here is what I would like to see SE and Google under the same roof. This would truly be an international success story. Ericsson's connectivity, Sony's ground breaking portable hardware, Googles OS, and purchase a forth company (purely software) to bring the apps into the 21st century. SE needs to buy a major software developer right now. SE's issues are always related to software and it that take too frick'n long to fix, if they get fixed at all. And, if you decide to get the fix yourself you void your warranty and can't get auto updates any more. Insane!
So unless something seriously ground breaking happens with this X10 I will hold on to my X1 a bit longer.
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you said it all

fm1776, none of those are issues to me especially no. 2 which I completely disagree with, no. 3 is also not the case with my phone, and the Android 1.6 being upgraded late this year ignores the fact that SE allows you to do the same and more that any Nexus 2.1 phone can do. Certainly a hard keyboard, if that is what you require, makes the x10 not the right phone for you. I am kind of shocked that you had the x1 but have passed on the x10 though, it is night and day between these phones, a lightyear leap, really.

the X10 reminds me a lot of the PS3. when the PS3 came out, it was dissed left and right. fans lost faith.
look what happened now? PS3 is killing it. and it too had to get firmware updates. and after some major updates, it was rockin'
i feel almost the same about the X10 as i did when i purchased a PS3 and my friends clowned me for it. now, it's not a laughing matter.
X10 IS getting 2.1 and that is a fact (for now) and i think if SE gives us what we want, it will be a win-win sooner or later.
so far the phone is a let down for me personally.
i don't hate it. patience and time will tell about how i feel about the phone when it's all said and done.
but as a phone, it doesn't do the 'phone' particularly well at this stage. low call volumes, along with a vibration that you can't really feel and a battery life that you can not really depend on is something really bugs me.

~~Legend vs Xperia X10? Should I get the legend?

I am in debate between these two phones. No Desire, for it looks effing ugly.
Why do you guys like the Legend, are there any complaints?
OH.
How much did you pay to get your HTC Legend!?
I found a deal for $490 for the HTC legend!
Any good place where I can find it cheaper?

Legend was my first smartphone. I had a long hesitation between it and the desire but I can't regret my choice... my sister has the i3gs and the legend is really better although more difficult to use because I had some problems with album arts and wifi... don't worry I have resolved both by an app... what I love the most with my legend is holding a hard piece of beautiful metal.. the finish is the best I ve ever seen! Now concerning the x10: I don't really like the blue ui and the phone is too big and blocked to an old android for the rest of the year: legend is beautiful, extremely fast, compact and have a better autonomy due too its screen: smaller but definitively comfortable
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Legend was my first smartphone. I had a long hesitation between it and the desire but I can't regret my choice... my sister has the i3gs and the legend is really better although more difficult to use because I had some problems with album arts and wifi... don't worry I have resolved both by an app... what I love the most with my legend is holding a hard piece of beautiful metal.. the finish is the best I ve ever seen! Now concerning the x10: I don't really like the blue ui and the phone is too big and blocked to an old android for the rest of the year: legend is beautiful, extremely fast, compact and have a better autonomy due too its screen: smaller but definitively comfortable
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Thanks that really helps!! How much and where did you get it? Anyone else?

Legend FTW
Got it from ashop.tv for 335 € (~$425).
But you wouldn't expect any other answer from user of a forum dedicated to the Legend? I like the design more
Do you had both phones in your hands at a local store already? That's imho very important.
Besides, X10 has still Android 1.6, and will officially updated to 2.1 not sooner than Q4/2010. I also like the Sense UI.

Legend! get the Legend

Legend is quietly briliant
The construction of the phone is next to perfect with 3 exceptions : first, sometimes in long conversation the edge of the device might inflict some discomfort to the ear (maybe i press it too much to the ear) and second, the removable part where you insert the sim card does not close up perfectly...must be around half milimiter. Last exception is the laudspeaker ... if u put the phone on a flat surface with the display facing the cealing...when the phone rings you probably miss around half of the ringing volume.
Software wise...the phone is pretty stable and fast, ocasionally there are some minor gliches with the wigits...i found that sometimes the HTC Calendar wigit does not show me my meetings on the month view unless i enter a particular day. This is resolved easy...just removing the wigit and installing it back.
I also found some problems with the bluetooth transfers. I own an HP 8710W mobile workstation and an Lenovo Thinkpad T500 and with both of em the trasfers often are a pain...i guess it must be the Android here, prolly on 2.2 version it will be improved.
Conclusion: coming back to the topic, these are just some minor problems regarding the headset...things i observed in about 2 weeks of usage....but compairing this peace of art with the ugly plastic Xperia X10 is just wrong. I troully belive SE has dropped the ball on their smarthphone producs begining with Xperia X1. Word of advice : just stay away from SE !
Hope this helps.

with the ongoing android updates scene & the developer community also moving away from the legend , i suggest you get a nexus one instead .... atleast if you are going to keep your phone for a longer time you will always have the latest android build (either from google or XDA).... but if you choose to stay away , then i suggest you skip the x10 & go for the legend

i went for the legend, however now i kinda wish i got the desire.
i went for the legend because it looks so nice however after playing with a desire in my local telstra store i think i probably should've gotten the desire as in real life its not that ugly at all.
a friend of mine got the x10 its not bad but i do miss the pinch zooming that i get on the legend but the bigger screen is very very nice. really it comes down to personally preference as they are both very good android handsets however the legend is a fair bit cheaper

Indeed....Desire/Nexus have the big screen and fast processor but it all comes down to how much you use the web browsing experience everyday...i mean i check some websites from time to time but only around 30 minutes a day. I gladly exchange that big screen of the Desire with the way more pocket friendliness and build quality of the Legend. Not to mention i pulled out 3 days of battery juice recently with moderated usage. It just fits great in my pocket !

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Indeed....Desire/Nexus have the big screen and fast processor but it all comes down to how much you use the web browsing experience everyday...i mean i check some websites from time to time but only around 30 minutes a day. I gladly exchange that big screen of the Desire with the way more pocket friendliness and build quality of the Legend. Not to mention i pulled out 3 days of battery juice recently with moderated usage. It just fits great in my pocket !
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brother same results for me only i am not using only 2g; my battery gives me 2d 18hrs thats after 2nd recharge from the time i bought phone. i also do negligible web browsing. only thing is all developers have got these big & fast phones so they wont pay attention to legend. but said that, even legend is not at all slow, so i think its only matter of time that some good developer like paul pay attention to legend; we will get super fast legend.

Ive been having this problem too. So many smartphones out there and I have been wanting to abandon WinMo and take the Android plunge.
What I have learned is the following: Go out and try the phones in a shop. I wasnt sure either. I was considering an X10 or HTC phone and 1 thing that made up my mind was the Sense interface. I didnt like the X10 navigation and feel. HTC is spot on.
Now my only issue is trying to decide between the Desire and Legend. I hit some small road blocks trying to order the Desire and now it becomes a real war in my brain (Legend or Desire).
But go and try it. Play with the devices. I think in the end it will come down to what feels better for you.

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Ive been having this problem too. So many smartphones out there and I have been wanting to abandon WinMo and take the Android plunge.
What I have learned is the following: Go out and try the phones in a shop. I wasnt sure either. I was considering an X10 or HTC phone and 1 thing that made up my mind was the Sense interface. I didnt like the X10 navigation and feel. HTC is spot on.
Now my only issue is trying to decide between the Desire and Legend. I hit some small road blocks trying to order the Desire and now it becomes a real war in my brain (Legend or Desire).
But go and try it. Play with the devices. I think in the end it will come down to what feels better for you.
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as an owner of the legend the only reason to get it over the desire is because it looks so damn nice
if looks dont matter then go for the desire its not that ugly and can be found for only a little more than the legend. its also not much bigger than the legend
personally as soon as htc come out with a phone that looks as good as the legend with the power of the desire or more then insta buy for me

i am sucker for sense, i purchased motorola milestone but had to return it within 10 days & bought legend; as i am old fan of hero. I have seen nexus but not in action. i dont think i can stand stock vanilla eclair, i love sense. so might as well try to get DESIRE in my opinion, but try to find out battery life as its a big screen

Thanks noobdeagle and everyone for the comments.
For me I find it all helpful. I will definitely be getting either a legend or Desire in the next week or so. I think it will now come down to who will give me the best deal locally for a contract renewal.
But one thing I can say for sure. HTC seems to be going the right direction with its newer phones. Plus I agree with you all out there the Sense definitely beats out SE take on Android. I am someone who knows nothing about Droid (being an Palm OS and then WinMo user his whole Smartphone life) and When I picked up the Legend or Desire, I have to say that HTC made it very user friendly and almost intuitive to use. When I picked up the X10 and played with it, I didnt have that feeling. Actually, I felt the opposite. It felt awkward and strange.
Definitely dont want to have that feeling when using a new OS.
So thanks all of you experienced Droid users out there for also helping us newbies.

Christmas miracle :')

Two days ago operator made me an offer of any smartphone for free, I narrowed it down to the most expensive hehe: Iphone 4, Desire HD or a sgs and don't know which to buy. This is a once time deal I can't wait for dual cores and whatever else comes out next year I need to reach a decision this week.
What should I buy? I have seen and used all OSs . The only thing I like about the ios is the app store, I generally dislike Apple and Idrones.
I'm relatively tech savvy (in the non-douchy kinda way xD
Except some minor annoyances here and there I love android. Can any one give some advice? Thx and ho ho ho

iPhones kinda nice but not as much for the geek in you.
HD Desire ??
SGS awesome phone. Too bad they're blowing up left right and center.
Android app store is choke full of goodies and I've found cool stuff my bro can't get on his iphone4

Imo the SGS, the screen is just beautiful and the processor is a monster compared to the Desire HD and iPhone 4 is just not my cup of tea.

SGS will most likely be more optimised after Nexus S is release, I realy think it's already fast and powerfull, and it will only get better!
Camera is amazing and Night mode is franckly pretty amazing, you'd get more than what you can see!
HD Videos is pretty good also!
Sync is all with your GMail account, so pretty simple and straight forward. You can sync your outlook with GMail if needed.
And if you need to access the files on the device, the USB can be mounted so it's pretty fast to transfer things.
Only down I can see on the SGS is the "sometime" flawing GPS, not all the time but can be anoying sometimes :|

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SGS awesome phone. Too bad they're blowing up left right and center.
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Say whaat?

I think you should go for the Desire HD. It's got 768 MB of RAM vs. the 340 MB available (out of a claimed 512 MB) on the SGS. And it's got a bigger screen, almost an equally powerful processor, very snappy, and it's already got 2.3 Gingerbread.
If you need a powerhouse for games, SGS is the way to go though. Nothing matches it's GPU at the moment.

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I think you should go for the Desire HD. It's got 768 MB of RAM vs. the 340 MB available (out of a claimed 512 MB) on the SGS. And it's got a bigger screen, almost an equally powerful processor, very snappy, and it's already got 2.3 Gingerbread.
If you need a powerhouse for games, SGS is the way to go though. Nothing matches it's GPU at the moment.
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but i hear the battery wont hold me the entire day thats kinda important for me
and how does it have gingerbread ? the nexus s isnt even out yet i assume its just ripped from the emulator

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The internal SDCards are crapping out...

hmmm isnt that becouse of the ****ty samsung filesystem and/or bad kernel
and should i be concerned about only 339 ram?

Buy the iPhone 4, sell it for $600-$800 off contract, buy whatever phone you want. Personally I'd says Desire HD simply because Sense is much better than Touchwiz and it has the Sense.com features (free remote wipe, GPS tracking, text through phone through website, etc). However, the battery is kind of weak so I'd recommend a bigger one if you can find one.

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but i hear the battery wont hold me the entire day thats kinda important for me
and how does it have gingerbread ? the nexus s isnt even out yet i assume its just ripped from the emulator
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They ported it from Nexus One to Evo, and Desire HD is basically a variant of Evo

Damm I'm more confused now than when I started...
Iphone: don't really like how it feels in my hand, really small screen, absolutely no customization whatsoever.
good things: apps, no major bugs and better shades of blue lol.
Desire HD: seems to have the worst hardware out of the three (cpu and gpu) piece if crap battery, seems if it falls once is over, ****ty battery and sim cover and imo the camera that sticks out like the evo is really effing ugly
Good things: most ram out of the three, htcsense.com, biggest screen (preferences but I think 4" is perfect)
SGS: plagued by software bugs apparently, random data corruption, no flash, needs most tweaking out of the box
Good things: best screen cpu & gpu, the nexus s is almost the same phone which means better development porting the works(here's hoping) and best battery life
By comparison seems that the sgs wins overall categories

Its easy. If you want the best smartphone the its sgs.
Iphone is not as good many say.
I did have one and i did sell it.
Iphone has more good games. That's the only good with it.
The rest is much better with sgs.
HD phone is not better either.
It has more serious flaw then both sgs and iphone together.
Sgs is a powerhouse and it got the best screen of all phones.
Sure sgs can be laggy out of the box, but that is easy to fix.
So right now there is not a phone that's has anything to compete with.
The sgs will win it all the time.
**Using my own JPU kernel, z4mod, 339MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**

My father has an iphone3g and my uncle has the iphone 4 I jailbreaked it for him honestly I wasn't that impressed with the phone. The only thing I like about it is the apps mainly the games are much more refined than on android phones
Also why has the sgs only have 340ram ? On every page I looked it says 512. Will that bite us on the ass later I mean the dhd almost has 800 and phones are moving on 1gb .are you telling me the sgs has as much ram as my old ass hero?

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Also why has the sgs only have 340ram ? On every page I looked it says 512. Will that bite us on the ass later I mean the dhd almost has 800 and phones are moving on 1gb .are you telling me the sgs has as much ram as my old ass hero?
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It does use a 512MB chip, but only ~340MB of it is visible after you're booted up. Out of the other ~172MB, there's around 40MB that's unaccounted for (we don't know where its being used) and the rest of it is "reserved" (even when the functions it's reserved for are not in use) for stuff like video playback, 3G calling etc.
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I'd have to say i agree with Product F(RED)
Desire HD is the best phone on the list IMHO. But getting the ipoop and selling on will mean you can get the HD desire and still have some cash in your pocket

sgs is the best (imho!) it's a pain out of the box but that's why we love it so much, let's face it, most of us like tweaking and playing with our phones, it's half the fun. Flashing new roms, installing different lagfixes, uninstalling new roms, uninstalling new lagfixes, whoops I've broken it, nope, it's going again. The sgs is a geeks wet dream and in my experience it is very difficult to fully brick.
So if you want a phone that you are going to have to fiddle with, get the sgs. Jpu seems to have ironed out a lot of problems, I get perfect gps now, although it was pretty good before. I'm actually a little disapointed that jpu works so well, it kinda takes the fun out of it all
If this doesn't appeal to you then get the hd, it's a good phone, screen is not as good and it doesn't feel as fast as my tweaked sgs, but overall it's definitely a winner and you won't be disapointed
The iphone is also a good phone and not to be sniffed at, if you don't mind being spoon fed by apple.

i have to say SGS, because of the most powerful hardware, software is not important, because we can fix that easy , as surprise Samsung also tries there best, i think with JPU Firmware they show that they are willing todo everything, Hardware we can't fix, SGS has currently the fastest CPU + GPU specially the GPU!!!!! is amazing, why do you think Google went with Nexus S , because of Hardware, Speed, Quality, Availability.......
Nexus S and Android 2.3 Gingerbread was made to give game developers the best available Hardware and with Gingerbread many things which will make Game development easier and because of the CPU + GPU, which is almost the same as Iphone 4 has (SGS a little bit better), it will also make porting games from iphone to android pretty easy now.
About HTC Sense i agree it is a nice homescreen, but on the other hand it is a memory, cpu and battery monster! why do you think they have 768MB Memory and if we look at different homescreen replacements (ADW, Laucher Pro, Zeam,.......), then i really don't see the big advantage at all, but thats a taste decission
So for me i have to say i am very happy that i went with the SGS, i really can't understand users who say that the SGS is built cheap, i have the SGS now since the beginning, i don't use a screenprotector, the plastic is thin but it still looks like new also after falling on the floor (shame on me), compared to my previous HTC Units which where loosing color on there great metal casing and not by falling on the floor but because i used a leather case, the signal was often a issue for me (metal), dust was behind the screen after a short time,........
I have to say that the Samsung Hardware is such an improvement compared to HTC that i won't anytime soon look back to any HTC unit even if it would have a killler hardware.
But that are just my 2 cents on it

Go for the iPhone 4 unless you really need flash. It has the best screen of the three(the pentile matrix of the SGS is just horrible) and works correctly out of the box.

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Go for the iPhone 4 unless you really need flash. It has the best screen of the three(the pentile matrix of the SGS is just horrible) and works correctly out of the box.
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Care to elaborate on this? The iphone does have a gorgeous screen, but to call the sgs screen horrible is a bit like saying that Angelina Jolie is a dog. Sure there are better looking girls out there than her, but would you kick her out of bed? Most definitely not, unless you bat for the other team of coursee, in such a case swap angelina for brad or whom ever floats your boat.

Overall feeling of the phone thus far...

Hey guys,
Can you share your overall feeling with the usage of the phone so far? I have seen O2x users complaining how badly their phone is and would like to know the general feeling of S2 users.
Thanks in advance.

....there are plenty of threads with ppl giving their opinions on this phone? Why don't you read a little more?
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Or we could leave our opinion as he asked.
I have many issues with this one but they are all related to software, and i will be applying root to my one so it does not bother me.
But i was using an iphone 4 and it isn't as smooth a transition, wifi is chewing battery, but that's really all .
But i love the freedom of the os so i will suck it up for now.

If you're considering an O2X, run, run fast and far. I had its illegitimate offspring the G2X and it was hands-down the worst phone I've ever owned. The price for it in the U.S. has dropped to "free" with new service and it's been out for only five weeks. I've only had my phone since Monday but so far I like it a lot. I (knock on wood) don't seem to be having the battery issues others are and I expect the SGS2 to get about 16 hours with moderate usage. It's been getting 11-12 with me on it constantly tinkering. Also, Samsung's already issued two updates so I'd imagine things will only get better. If you want a high-end phone the Sensation will be out soon. I think that's a more relevant comparison than anything produced by LG.

Not overly impressed with mine.
I originally came from an iphone 4, had a HTC Desire HD for a few days, til someone at work made me an offer I couldn't refuse for it.
Then I bought the S2.
As much as the S2 is a better equipped phone
i.e
Camera
Dual Core
Better Battery
AMOLED screen
I still prefer the user interface etc of the HTC
I would say try the sensation when available, but apparently its Locked for modding.
I am considering the Optimus 3D myself as the S2's are fetching more money on fleabay than I orignally paid.
All I can suggest is try before you buy if possible.

Devices ive owned in the last year.
Samsung Vibrant(Most consistently used)
HTC HD2( Love the modding)
Atrix(POS device, this made my decision easier but decent battery life)
LG G2x(Decent device, wasnt impressed)
Motorola Milestone(My favorite)
Xperia X10(decent device, great music player)
Iphone 4(my fiance phone)
I have absolutely none of the problems that other users are having. Ive had it for 2-3 weeks now. My battery life is amazing and getting through my workday plus some. My screen is very vibrant and have no issues. Size/Weight is perfect for me and device feels very sturdy. No lag whatsoever and apps run very smoothly with no crashes since owning. I can only see this device getting better with age once developement start. We have some great Devs coming to work with the sgs2.
I dont think much of iphones and I think this is the phone to beat. I like the look of sense but I think it lost alot of functionality since window mobile days. We all have to wait and see what the htc sensation has to offer. I think it will be the usual htc offering, 3steps forward 2steps back.
The only real con for alot of people is the non support for games without tegra 2 processors. But I dont care for games much(not enough time) aslong as Live Holdem Poker and angry birds work.

impressions
excitement at first then boredom now excitement again looks like this phone is going to be a ripper when all the guru's start to work on it----roms themes etc etc

Besides the GPS, data, screen and battery issues, this thing rocks!

FishTaco said:
Besides the GPS, data, screen and battery issues, this thing rocks!
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Let's play a game. I'll go first. Assuming there are at least a hundred thousand SGS2's in the wild already, what percentage do you think have the problems you indicated?
GPS - My guess is <10% and the cause has still not been isolated and isn't consistent
Data - My guess is <15% with an unknown amount attributed to specific carrier, SIM, or router issues
Screen - My guess is <2%
Battery - <25% and again, some people are getting appropriate performance for an Amoled dual-core phone meaning it's not a universal problem
The first three work great for me and battery seems OK so far but I want to use the phone normally (instead of constantly playing with it) before declaring victory.
P.S. - I see in the Sensation vs. SGS2 thread you're getting a Sensation. Let's see what the front page of the Sensation board looks like three weeks after launch. Especially considering it'll be loaded with T-Mobile crapware and specific changes they've demanded of HTC. I hope for both T-Mobile and its customers that the launch goes better than the G2X launch.

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Let's play a game. I'll go first. Assuming there are at least a hundred thousand SGS2's in the wild already, what percentage do you think have the problems you indicated?
GPS - My guess is <10% and the cause has still not been isolated and isn't consistent
Data - My guess is <15% with an unknown amount attributed to specific carrier, SIM, or router issues
Screen - My guess is <2%
Battery - <25% and again, some people are getting appropriate performance for an Amoled dual-core phone meaning it's not a universal problem
The first three work great for me and battery seems OK so far but I want to use the phone normally (instead of constantly playing with it) before declaring victory.
P.S. - I see in the Sensation vs. SGS2 thread you're getting a Sensation. Let's see what the front page of the Sensation board looks like three weeks after launch. Especially considering it'll be loaded with T-Mobile crapware and specific changes they've demanded of HTC. I hope for both T-Mobile and its customers that the launch goes better than the G2X launch.
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I am lost, whose side are you on??
You claim that between 24.999% and 51.999% of all SGS2 have some kind of a problem?

The SGS2 is going to be the HD2 of 2009.
It's the first phone out with all the top specs that from now, will set the standard.
HTC do NOT have amoled or a 1.2ghz dual core cpu.
I have been a big fan of HTC since I had the XDA EXEC. But sadly HTC have not done anything that great recently. I am also not a fan of the htc Sense.
I have used the HD2 for the past two years and this was my introduction to android too.
the SGS2 is my first native android device and, Whilst I didnt like touchwiz that much at first (Has a very much Iphone-esk feel to it) I have soon learnt how to get around it, and how to use the different connectivity modes (Kies 2.0/Kies air etc)
This phone is outstanding, And Samsung have done them selves proud.
The general feel of the phone makes you think its a cheap dummy phone. Its all plastic and SOOO light, It only seems to weigh as much as the battery does.
The screen is just brilliant, Great colours and amazing blacks, When the screen is black it blends so well with the screen bezel that it looks like there is no screen. If you have a few icons against a black screen, It looks like they are stickers planted on - It's that good!!!
I have a friend who is a big Apple Iphone fan, He has just come from the Iphone 4 and really loves it for how smooth and responsive it is. He did say he wished there was more pixles and he also seems to have an issue with how fast the battery dies - But he uses the phone purely for the internet, generally watching tons of flash in desktop mode. It runs as well as a PC, it's that good!
This forum is picking up fast and quite frankly I cant wait to see what roms come about, this phone is future proof and blows every other phone out of the water. Try running an N64 emulator with 0 frame skip - It's flawless. Try that on a Desire HD, It's laggy really bad. The dual core really comes into its own here.
Amazing phone, Amazing screen, Similar battery consumption as a HD2, Great UI when you get used to it and great connectivity for getting your files off your phone. Oh, And 16GB internal memory!... Wow!

Amazing phone so far. Battery life is good eniugh to get me through a day and loving the fact samsung pre installed 'my files' and 'downloads'. I do like the touchwiz app drawer a lot because of folders and horizontal scrolling. The only thing i would want on this phone would be the ability to set default homescreen on TW. Or someone could make a sense 3.0 ROM?
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Thanks for your inputs guys. I certainly have a better idea of whether to get this phone or the nexus s. Battery life is a very big factor to my phone criteria.
Thanks once again.