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Android on HTC HD2

I am really getting tired of WM 6.5 and the in persistence / buggy experience... Just wanted to know if anyone is working on a port of android 1.6 or 2.0? And is it even possible to port given that it uses 800x480 and not 854x480 like the droid?
I would also be happy to try other non-android alternatives, if any exist? (and how about handling the danish dictionary or symbols(æøå) with alternative roms?)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575

What are you finding so buggy? What what on earth is an "in persistence experience"? :s

Its called the HTC Passion.. basically..
and it absolutely is going to be released....I have that first hand from my contact at Google who has actually handled the device.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=9541

Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus =
I so happy with 6.5 and my TG01 together with the 3.5.1 SPB Mobile shell it is a dream to work with it. Ok it is still no unbox- and just begin- experience, just still have to mod a bit but after a while its just great.
Iphone OS is nothing for me, an OS you need to jailbreak and fear to receive a worm like the one thats sneaking around the web the last days...
Although I don't like this ignorant world domination company.

die_Leuchte said:
Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus
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Indeed. To stop these homicidal tendencies brewing in me when I read all this "oh if it only were an Android device" stuff, I can only wish they get their A+Snapdragon whatever sooner, so that they go to some other forums/threads to bug people there, but that time for real reasons - when they realize that trivial things like watching a movie can be a challenge.

I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)

kasperknop said:
I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
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Google services integration is the only thing in your list that's relevant, plus there's no Android market, which is a dubious loss. Everything else is either design decisions or bugs introduced by HTC and have nothing to do with WM. How in the world would Android add hardware keys for multitasking to HD2? I can't say I always resist following hypes successfully, but this is just ridiculous.

kasperknop said:
I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)
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Just throw your HD2 into the trashbin (or eBay ) and wait for HTC Dragon.
BTW: Don't you think youl could have more problems with a system that is constantly changing than with a system that is finished?
I made the expirience, that Linux-based systems can be a *****y thing too. Functions that work with one release don't work when you upgrade. I would (and I do) stick to WM because of that.

HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!

docchris1980 said:
HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!
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Yeah, I said that with the HTC Hero, which was a great device but Android is far from brilliant yet. Hopefully 2.0 will make things a lot better but don't you think most Android phones are just plain awful looks wise... Heres the Dragon v HD2
http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/htc_hd2_htc_dragon-540x388.jpg
Looks, ill stick with HD2. Speed, i'd go with Dragon, but overall usability, i'll stick with the HD2.
People say the HD2 keyboard is poo, but so was the Hero's until the software update. Android is great, but its just too buggy at the minute and the fact a program can run in the background without you knowing and drain the battery in about 20 minutes is rubbish!
As the hardware is the same, I'm quite confident that when the Dragon is out, you'll see that port over to the HD2.

I'm thinking about Android .. task on background can ruin WM device too.
But does Android have good ebook reader ? Comic book reader ? AVI video player ? Good image viewer ? Control over data connection ? I'm afraid of these things ..

What would it take to make Leo the MOST awsome phone ever?

I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)

Two for the price of one?? hehe

samsamuel said:
Two for the price of one?? hehe
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I don't know if this would be considered as an feature thou

Google navigator.

I would like the random freezing to stop, especially coming out of unlock.
I'd love the lockscreen to have music access, its just easier to control from there instead of sliding to the specific tab in sense.
Also I'd really like a better windows live messenger program, its just so dated and old and if they could integrate push notifications on there that would be awesome, Facebook app needs to be improved seems like a half assed attempt because everyone phone was getting the app and they had to rush it.
Other than that, Im pretty happy with the phone at the momemnt, each time they update the software it seems like a brand new phone to me.
Im still waiting on whether wm7 is going to be put on the HD2 because the tasks, calendar, notes and whatever else needs to be updated.

Just to fix the flaws eg call volume too loud and distorts/crackles, screen switches back on making calls so your ear ends up pressing other functions, and text input glitch when pressin 12#
If these were fixed it would be the best phone on the market imo, but with them it's becoming extremely irritating

IMO it already is the "most awesome" phone ever. Sure, there are (or rather have been) some teething problems with the device but with the latest SMS hotfix released today it's near perfect (apart from the camera, but this issue was well publicized as a hardware problem before most of us purchased our phones - and yes, no matter what HTC are saying now, it is a hardware fault).
An official spotify client would be nice, but really I prefer to use the built in media player and store my music on the SD card. Spotify may not be around for much longer anyway if certain analysts are to be believed.
The FB client does suck, but it does what it's supposed to - more or less. Even on the iPhone I tend not to use the app but go directly to the website. Unless all you're doing is changing your status or uploading a photo it's just as fast (and should you do a status update or share a photo there are better ways than the app anyhow - I do miss having the ability to add a caption using the MS Uploader though).
So far I haven't come across any apps I need (or want) that are not available on WM, and while the iPhone does have a uniform look, UI wise, the fact WM does not is perhaps a good thing as it allows for more variety. If anything I wish MS would come up with a standard set of skinnable controls so that applying a theme to the phone would change the entire experience - I have a feeling this is in WM7 (to some extent).
Of course, there are ways to make it even more awesome, such as a better battery life, TV out, USB host capabilities, second camera (video calls / webcam) etc, but really it doesn't matter due to the 4.3" screen we do have - that, and the processor, is what makes this device what it is. Without the larger screen it would have been just another phone. By the time WM7 is available we'll likely get another handset with all the features above, the large screen and hopefully Nvidia Tegra

I'd be happy with it if they'd just fix all the damn bugs.

The only things that I want are tv-out and a larger capacity battery. Everything else is spiffy

arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
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Ever up until when?
Now?
or now?
or how about now?
Technology is constantly moving, expect a new handset from HTC by the end of the year that blows away the HD2...
It currently is already an awesome handset with some slight quirks/bugs that need rectifying but it will quickly be caught up by other manufacturers and also by HTC itself...

arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
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It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then

DinoZ1 said:
It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then
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I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
Tactile feedback, 4.3" screen, HTC Sense...
I was also hoping this post would enlighten someones needs, and someone else knowing about how to for fill those needs
I love HD2, but i still have to bring two devices for using i.e. Spotify

Better battery life would make it near perfect for me.

arxx said:
I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
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I totally agree with you

I only need:
1. a program to disable the T9 button in the keyboard..
2. a program to disable the "Other button other than the power button can't turn on screen"
3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!! and I think I'll have the perfect phone..

completely agree with zelduy , id love those three points as well

zelduy said:
3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!!
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Have a look at PLToggle (in my signature). It's not an automatic program that rotates the display when you rotate the device, but it allows all programs to rotate with a long-press on the call button (to the rotation of your choice).
That might help

DinoZ1 said:
I totally agree with you
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I sort of agree. The HD2 would be better if everything worked properly. As a device it's better, but because my iphone 3G worked flawlessly it didn't cause me so many headaches, and therefore could be considered better

The main kicker for me would be the battery life.
If I could get about 2 days average use out of the phone that'd be perfect.
It's not happened to me yet but if I desperately needed to make a call at about 4:30pm I can see myself not having enough battery left. What are mobile phones for after all?

I just want it to do everything good without freezing

What do you think of your Mega?

Hi All
I'm possibly looking at a mega for my next work phone, and am interested in people's opinions.
Are there any noteable drawbacks to it? Any noteable positives?
My current work phone is a Vogue. Is it a good upgrade from the vogue? What's better about it?
Phone will be used primarily for email and calendar and calling.
Are there any other devices in the same price range which you wish you'd purchased instead?

OK..
I've had a few windows mobile devices over the years... kaiser, artemis, elf... the Mega is by far the best I've had. It's fast, small, got everything you need on it. Couldn't really fault it. As a business device, it connects to exchange without any extra software, you can surf the net fine (use Opera Mini!), GPS for travelling, wifi for fast data transfer. I've even persuaded my mum to get one!
I use my device mainly for email and browsing, occasional satnav, and of course phone. I recently tried the LG GD500 and the Samsung Tocco Light, and another new LG - none compare with Windows Mobile devices, and as far as WinMo devices go, the Mega is, in my opinion, the best combination of features, performance and size.

If you have a bit extra cash, get the HD2. Touch2 too small. Difficult to type for large fingers. TF2D 2.0 also has limited development.

Personally, I can't see why people get so obsessed with TF2d/Manila/Titanium/SPB/Throttlelauncher/Other Shells...
It's all just eye-candy. People start flashing new ROMs then complain that certain functions don't work, or it's too slow...
I may be in the minority here, but what I wand from my device is (a) basic everyday onformation on my initial screen - message count, diary for the next few days, time, and (b) quick access to my most commonly used functions - email, internet.
Touchflo, Titanium etc just add another layer of complexity that eats up memory, makes things harder to get to, and ultimately slows down the device. The stock roms are fast enough too, although I have to admit I do like playing with new roms, I always use a standard today screen rather than touchflo etc.
I understand the argument about size for typing, but there are bigger virtual keyboards if needed, and it's a personal choice - I find the size of the Mega the best all round compromise - big enough to be useable and small enough to stick in your jeans pocket without being uncomfortable...
Rant over, sorry!

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Personally, I can't see why people g........
Rant over, sorry!
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+1 for that .
If you really really need a so called 'Business Device', then IMHO neither Touch2 nor Touch HD2 cut the ice, get a phone with a real key pad .. like TP2 . I can mail better with my vox or even my B7320 than I can with my Touch2, but Touch2 is a much better and more complete device .

Phones like TD2 or HD2 are really good emailing and calender phones.
The drawback on Touch2 is the calender. It is really bad the way i see it. Even in TouchFlo it doesnt have a good calender. Its just horrifying for me. If you compare it to the 3D of Td2 and HD2 its really bad. TouchFlo3D has awesome calender and appointments, calender mainly due to the fact it shows the dates like a real calender but touch2 shows a long line and very inconvenient.
Emailing is okay but if u hav alot of emails you might want to get a long phone like Td2 to see all ur emails in one screen without scrolling down alot.
If you have big fingers ur going to find texting Very hard.
It only has QWERTY and Phone Keypad while HD2 has Qwerty,semi qwerty and many more.
In the end its ur decision

Thanks guys. I'm limited by how much the company will spend on a phone for me - the price of the Mega is about the maximum they will spend, and I'm not allowed to top up (I would have to buy my own phone with no compensation).
I'm also limited by the fact it has to be a phone advertised by telecom NZ (www.telecom.co.nz) - the mega is not there yet but it will be in the next couple of weeks according to the insider I've talked to.
I found a decent calendar app while I was running winmo on the Vogue, so I'm sure I can find one for the Mega.
How is the speed and screen responsiveness? That's the major drawback to the Vogue.

AaronNZ said:
Thanks guys. I'm limited by how much the company will spend on a phone for me - the price of the Mega is about the maximum they will spend, and I'm not allowed to top up (I would have to buy my own phone with no compensation).
I'm also limited by the fact it has to be a phone advertised by telecom NZ (www.telecom.co.nz) - the mega is not there yet but it will be in the next couple of weeks according to the insider I've talked to.
I found a decent calendar app while I was running winmo on the Vogue, so I'm sure I can find one for the Mega.
How is the speed and screen responsiveness? That's the major drawback to the Vogue.
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No issues with speed or responsiveness. If you need a decent calendar, disable the touchflo stuff and put todayagenda (free) on your todayscreen.

pretty nice PDA put on Tiger Clean ROM and u've got 4 days of battery life
and yes , u can find another calendar app for the Mega and the problem is solved ;]]

Tempted to move over to WP7

Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0

i have my htc hd2 long time i test more then 150 roms on 6.5 version , and andorid , i admit android is a nice room , i start using wm7 nodo version ,its realy amazing rom , very fast rom ( similar iphone) no bugs . this room was made for internet and entretainment users.
1-the battery life is ok almost 40h using like a normal mobilephone, but need a ]trick ,]bcs wm7 on hd2 have a drivers problm in camera its make drain battery more then normal but with the trick u resolve that , the other problem is no aplication to use wifi router on wm7 .
2-in wm7 we cant type the number and show the name like in 6.5 rom , u need go to your phone list to search the name you want to call.~~
3-wm7 not suported outlook to sync the contacts , u need have a Key FROM microsoft to conect ur windows live acount and from there u can pass all your contacts
since hd2 official not suported wm7 , and wm7 is so good on hd2 , try using that u will never go back to others roms
i hope this information is helpful for u change....

Baker0 said:
Ive been using my hd2 for a long while now on android and its been superb. But I still look over at WM7 forums am im very tempted to give it ago.
Is everything working now on the newer releases?? Whats the battery life like?
Some one sell me WP7
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Baker0
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I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.

there is a software camera .006 it correct the problem about the auto focus . with that, the pic show nice.

Lynehammike said:
I have tried WP7 and it is truely a smooth operating system on the HD2. For me, there are two fundamental problems with WP7 which ruin the experience. The camera driver is still terrible - never use flash and no auto focus. Also the multitouch only works if you place your two fingers down at exactly the same time.
If you don't use the camera, and you can live with the dodgy multitouch - it is a great ROM.
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On top of these what kills it for me is that there is not a good navigation program. Other than that it is pretty damn awesome.

The current non-Sense Android ROMs are actually working perfectly on our HD2s, the biggest problem (for me) is the battery life. WP7 however has some issues on the HD2.
First of all you have to have an SD card that works (correctly) with WP7. Then, if you move to WP7 you will find yourself in a less open environment: less apps, no usb drive option, less control of your phone. You will also lose some Google functionalities you had in Android (Navigation app, sync multiple calendars, maps). You will lose flash support. You will have to call Microsoft for an activation code if you want the live services (access to market apps). This brings a lot of pain in the a$s...
BUT! If your installation is successful you will have a very smooth OS with a great integration of facebook and google contacts synchronization. With Zune software you can synchronize your phone with your movies and music. You will get a pretty good battery life and a fully functioning phone. I flashed a WP7 ROM last week and i think I'll stick with it for a while.
Hope this helps

Thank you for your help, camera is a big one for me.... Does USB tethering work?

I'll chime in not to necessarily "sell it" but coming from a strictly WinMo background. I have Android on SD, but I've refused to have it as a main OS simply because WM has been everything I needed for years. I'm not an "app"er, could care less about market saturation, as long as I can find, somehow, the tools I need for day to day.
Coming from that background, I decided to give WP7 a go about 2 weeks ago when finally nodo was available to us on HD2. So far its been a double edged sword to me. I miss my openness already. That's my first thoughts. I miss being able to transfer files on the fly and even as simply as move files internally to deep level private folders. In WM6.5 I was to the point of using my phone as a boot-able agent for PC repairs. I would have said I miss syncing directly to Outlook, because for almost 10 years that's where all of my contacts have been stored and backed up, but MS forced me to make an exchange server with Office 2010. I think I'd be damned if I had to move my info online to an external server. Though I did activate my phone to Live, the only cloud service I use is the marketplace. Another thing I miss a lot is Sense, lol I know silly but I absolutely loved that interface.
And what I'm liking about WP7 so far, is one of the main pushes for the phone, that it is a nice neat little interface (though I really wish someone would hack sense into it). Its fast, very fast, and easy to use (which isn't really that big a deal to me because I thrive on difficult and complicated, and used to love having a phone I knew not many people could just pick up and get into), but it is very easy none the less. The marketplace has so far had a ton of apps that I do use almost daily now (which is making it harder for me to think about re-flashing 6.5). Actually the apps are the only things that's keeping me from going back at the moment. I kind of feel like I want to wait for Mango and more hacks so I can have my control back, but damned if I won't miss some of the apps.
Battery life is a bit spotty for me, because I live in a rural area at the moment and if I don't turn on airplane mode when I get home, drain down to nothing in a matter of a hours. I did a test the other day while I was out and had full H and staring from almost 100% went through about 45 min of a 93 min movie from netflix and battery was almost dead. I've learned though, the way I use my phone no matter what OS, I have to charge it all the time anyways.
That's my report, hope it helps ;-)
edit: there is a workaround for tethering with DFrouter but its sort of like the USB Storage workaround.

Long time WinMo user that made the switch with NoDo. I haven't shot any photos that required flash, but the photos I have taken with the camera were fine. I got an activation code via chat in 5 minutes or so, so that wasn't and issue. I went through the hassle of formatting my card to allow me to load Android, so when I do need to tether, I have that option.
My biggest complaint so far is the sound is overdriven, which seems to be fixable via registry tweak. In spite of loading Tom's xap, I haven't been able to successfully side-load an app that will let me work the registry a bit. But that's operator error, at some point I'll figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I just checked into NRG's 6.5 thread to see if there was anything new, a habit that will take me a long time to break. At this point, I don't see myself going backwards. I much prefer WP7 over Android, and though there is one app I really miss from WinMo (SplashID), I've found workarounds for the rest. I much prefer the e-mail and calendar interfaces on WP7, and it I'll admit it is kind of nice to have some cool, high graphics games on my day-to-day OS. Having been a smart phone user forever, I'm used to having chargers and battery spares, so battery life isn't much of a consideration for me.
I highly recommend you give it a try. Worst case, you just flash back. Good Luck!

I was in the same boat you are in right now, but there was no way to move away from Android. My love for Android and my loyalty are true to the core. What did I do? I got both. I have 16GB MicroSD Card Class 10 and with sick video guide from 96edwy I now have Dual Boot HTC HD2 running XBmod v1.10 NODO and American Android 2.3.2 !!!
Like everyone else I had my period of "Flash Madness" where I flashed about 5 times a day but it slowed down few months ago with new job and all. My ultimate solution: I have best of both worlds!!! Nirvana state of mind....
I love my Android, but I also love WP7 and right now mobile device gods are smiling on me

What OS to use...
Hi all, I tried them all on HD2 WM 6.5, 6.5.X,Froyo on SD,WP7 and finally stuck on Ginger in ROM. What is best for you depends on what kind of user you are. For example - I'm not into gaming on my phone, I don't have a facebook or twitter acc and couldnt care less about social networking,I use email extensively, care about outlook integration, office docs, use a lot of browsing, watch a lot of youtube and news aps...
WM 6.5(.X)
GOOD
- Looks great (the weather animations are so cool, the tabs are functional and fun way to use the phone)
- Has USB storage mode
- Has USB and WiFi tethering capability
- Can sync with outlook mail and contacts or any other mail with such ease that flashing and putting it back to running state takes less than 5 minutes
- Has a ton of GREAT GPS apps like iGo etc
- Best battery life of HD2 is of course on a original 6.5 ROM, nothing you flash will top that
- Skype works, although a very old version that you have to install yourself
- Can be used until the battery is dead and then recharged without a problem (not like android or wp7 ports)
- You can customize the home screen with addons like cookies home tab etc, lo limited customization is available (no widget support like in android etc)
- From just a month ago you can enjoy high res YouTube videos
BAD
- Sometimes laggy
- Browsing experience is ages behind Android and WP7, no flash support etc
- Camera is bad compared to the one on Andoird for example
- Live wallpapers are not as good as the ones on android and theres so few to choose from
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices)
- Gaming suck
- Development is dying or almost dead
WP7
GOOD
- Soooooo cool looking, fastest interface ever, extra intuitive and modern
- Mail app is great, very well thought trough and nice looking
- The best social networking integration, deeply into contacts
- Great gaming experience with xbox live
BAD
- Camera is only usable trough an external app, the built in is ****ty
- No direct outlook sync
- Has to be activated with MS
- No usb or wifi tethering
- No usb flash mode
- No GPS apps whatsoever, not even Google maps
- Live tiles are cool but third party apps cant really use their full potential (solved in upcoming Mango release but you'll have to wait for like a year to get it)
- No skype
- No universal search option (like on Android or BB devices), the search button is reserved for Bing search (maybe I'm wrong on this one, but as I recall you cant get to contacts so easly)
- A very long and thus very hard to use app drawer
- Cant use your own mp3 ringtones (might be wrong on this one correct me if I'm way off here)
- No real multitasking
- multitouch is implemented poorly
Android
GOOD
- Great looking interface, live wallpapers etc
- A lot of apps and games (best YouTube app ever, Skype is working fine etc.
- I just cant live without the universal search option I use all the time, so where ever you might be in the interface you are one button click away from your contacts or google search
- Has available GPS navigation software from Google maps to iGo etc.
- Great social networking apps but those options are not so deeply built in to the OS like in wp7
- USB and wifi tethering is working (not in my build for some reason but I can live without this option)
- USB flash mode working
- Multitasking
- The best camera on HD2 (a lot better than the one on the original rom)
- multitouch wirks just fine
BAD
- Battery life is bad even on phones designed for Android, let alone on ported ones
- No direct outlook sync ( a big minus for me, but not necessarily for everyone)
So, if you look at the pros and cons, the result is - your HD2 is the most functional with Android, then with good old WM 6.5 and at the end with WP7. WP7 needs to be polished, regardless of the quality of the HD2 port which is very close to the real thing. Mango update is coming this fall, but a lot of things are not addressed in it and MS need in my humble opinion another year to fix all missing bits...

Well i think everyone has said pretty much everything there is to say, i think all the bad points have been mentioned
all i would say is this,
WP7 is a different OS, its nothing like previous OS platforms on the HD2, you cant compare them as they are for different markets.
I was/am a heavy WM user, WM is a beast of an OS and there is nothing it cant do except games, had Microsoft not been completely shafted by OEMs, QC and the networks, WM would have been a modern day contender, as it is however it may be a beast of an OS but it isnt pretty and its laggy.
I tried Android for quite a while and i just found it fragmented, apart from games which isnt something i use there is little to know benifit over WM, yeah it looks good and is smoother but i just got board with it to be honest. its less functional than WM but is smoother, the UI is not much of an improvment in my opinion.
So i tried WP7, to start with i thought it was crap, very little functionality to the other two, very smooth, but then something odd happened, the UI just grew on me, the intigration of the OS became somthing i thought was great, it took about 2-4 weeks before i suddenly realised i absolutely love the thing, so i tried dropping back to Android for a while and i hated it.
in short, WP7 changes the way in which you use the device, the best and most accurate way of looking at it is, Windows Mobile is the best pocketPC platform out there (not including games) Windows Phone is the best SMARTPHONE out there, there is a difference, i have a second device which runs WM now, im longing for the day someone can port WM to an SD card

Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.

superpeca said:
Yep, couldnt agree more with dazza. WP7 is all about PHONE experience! Most of us are not app freaks and use our PHONE primarily as a communication device, not a gaming platform or a replacement for a compass or a GPS device... All those devices do a better job on their own than any hybrid will so bottom line, WP7 takes me where I wanna be - focused on communicating with people - I can quickly get to my contacts, check what they've been up to, read and send emails and texts, send them a pic or two, surf the web a bit... And no other OS right now does that better, faster and cooler than WP7. Period.
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Only if the battery life is better Its only 6 hours from the last full charge and the battery is already down by half

Roxxx
Yeahhh..
I think WP7 on HD2 is awesome!
I also at first thought, that its missing functionality, like file managers, copying files to device and back etc.. The GPS and so on.
But i must say, WP7 is awesome, the integration into Facebook, the browser, the mail client is fantastic. It was not made to be like WM 6.5 etc, this is something on its own....
And it is really growing on all of us
Looking forward to the updates, and more software to be added.
We just have to live with the short battery life!

Windows Phone Device Manager
Also....
I am not sure if some of you guys have checked this out?
http://www.touchxperience.com/
This is a beta project, and its awesome! Allows custom ringtones, copy files to device and back. This is going to be great.
Try it out!

[Q] HD2, N900, Desire Z or 7 Pro?

Hey to all,
I now have a great choise - choosing the mobile phone with fits best for me. But the problem is; I dont know with one it is.
I was able to test all these Phones for now;
-HTC HD2 (owning now)
-Nokia N900 (owning now)
-Desire Z (may sell HD2 / N900 and buy one)
-HTC 7 Pro (same as Desire Z)
But I dont know with Device fits best to me, so I would be happy to get help from you.
I really looooooooooove the N900 because of its abilities of chatting via Facebook, ICQ, MSN, ... Also I like 48 Gigs of Storage and the Look&Feel of Maemo. But thats all. I hate that there are no Apps like Shazam or Soundhood, Pzizz and so on, no Social Network clients (dont like Sociality), no Games (installed Sims 3, PS1 games are tooo CPU intensive) and its sometimes very slow, no HD recording and slowly but sure I do no longer like the UI itself.
The HD2 has a f**cking great screen, but FB Chat / other Chat-Apps are sucking (IMHO, there are always get closed after few mins of inactivity) and Android is not completely "adult" on HD2 now. Okay, I can install Win7 but why? Games, thats only Point And Windows Mobile? naah not a choise for me...
The Desire Z also uses Android, but I think its verry laggy on Desire Z. All in All, Android is some kind of laggy feel (at least the Sense, and when I have an android Phone, it MUST have Sense). And again the missing chat Programs are a big "Maybe-No-Go" here... Also the HW Keyboard sucks like hell. Feels like im Typing on Gum
The HTC 7 uses Windows Phone - with says nearly all. I love playing Games on it, but thats nearly all. Okay, I also love the HW Keyboard (like I do on my N900), but this closed Source-No-Messenger-no real Multitasking Thing (and some more things) is a no go for me...
So, please, I REALLY could need your help. If you have any questions or If i Should clarify something just tell me here or PM me
Thanks!!!
And sorry if there are any mistakes, I am from germany
Robin

The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".

Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.

anseio said:
The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".
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yeah I know but MS is sooo stupid - every time the device goes to StandBy WLAN turns off... -.- (And thats not the only thing with annoys me on Windows Phone 7 "Facebook chat" and "Multitasking" )

drachers said:
Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.
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First; Thanks
After reflashing the Radio everything works fine now... Happy with that
Yeah but the E6 for example uses Symbian With I think is even worse then Maemo is...
I would immediatly stay with the HD2 if there would be 2 Things - HW Keyboard (okay, not that bad) and a Telepathy Integration for it... Like N900 - it has so reeeally great Integration of Skype and ICQ without any additional Apps... The HTC integrated "FBChat" App - horrible...
"Early next year" - My birthday is on Janurary 12th Its a bit really "early" but I can say that I would like to have some money for a new mobile phone (ouuh my mum will kill me - "WHAAAT? Another new mobile?" ;D )

Mhhhm I am just comparing N900 vs HD2 (Android) now... Both are next to me and I am comparing some Functions...
Will post some of my "result" here (I am damn tired but dont want to go sleeping already).
"HD2" means HTC HD2 with Android WITH HTC SENSE installed. "Android" means the Same!
Lets start;
Boot - doesnt matter... Both okay, I think (havent tested it though)
N900 needs longer to boot. But I can boot (natively) Ubuntu, some kind of Android and Maemo... All together.
HD2 can take Android, WM 6.5, WM7 and Ubuntu (emulated)... Okay, "native" Ubuntu better then emulated one. But emulated one better (in case of functions) then native... Damn I think HD2 wins here.
User Interface;
N900 UI is very polished and clean, everything works fast, but it looks a bit old if compared to Sense 3.5, Also its resistive Touchscreen just make some "old school feel" (but is BEST in winter while using gloves or while its raining). Want to start an App? Click, click and after max 3 Secs - App starting... After max of 6 secs App loaded and ready to use. great!
HD2 UI is reeally Eyecandy to me. I love the LockScreen with all these big Icons, the colors and Sounds. I love the Widgets of favourite Contacts. While I am writing about widgets - N900 is better choise there. You can "widgetise" everything on 1 of your 4-12 Homescreens. Contacts, Favourites of Browser, Programs, Settings, real "Widgets",... With HD2 you can do Groups of Contacts, Messages, Mail, Music, Weather, Calendar and more..But everything looks more nice and more "stylish" then on N900. N900 again everything is really intuitive. The User Experience is incredibly great and intuitive, with Android I sometimes need to think "uuhm, wheres that Setting now?" - NEVER done on N900.
Browser: I think, N900 browser has been beaten. Flash on N900? Lame... YouTube on N900? Hangs and I nearly always need to FC the Browser... Really pity. Pages need long to load (if compared to HD2), but when they are loaded they look as on the Desktop (but no Text Reflow DAMN). FireFox for Maemo is no longer continued (FF for Android is) and so we will never see great new functions on our N900s. Android though have much more "potential". Firefox is still developed and supported, and other browsers may follow. Okay, not Chrome and Opera I think, but the integrated browser is fast, reliable and displays everything how I want it .
Apps: My Must-have-Apps for a Mobile Phone are:
-Good Facebook Support (Pictures, Status, All Contacts, Chat)
-Calendar (multiple Reminders I dont overlook or forget, multiple Calendars)
-Games (okay, I only want Angry Birds, Doodle Jump, Fruit ninja)
-Good Email App
-TeamViewer
Facebook Support;
N900 fails here (some kind of). N900 syncs your Contacts, syncs your pictures, Birthdays, Emails and "Homepages" (WHY?!) of your FB contacts. okay. And Facebook chat is best ever! Greatly integrated and nothing I can say against it. Never was unreliable (it more was the opposite - I am at the PC and EVERY Message my N900 beeps but sadly it doesnt sync outgoing Messages ) But where are Status Updates? Regular Updates? Posting possibilities? okay, Sociality is good but really slow, sluggish and buggy. I cant post any location where I am as example.
Calendar
Both the same... GREAT!
N900 Calendar - its more easy to miss a Appointment, but because of the great Home Widget and always if I hear the Calendar tone I immediatly STOP everything I do and do the thing whats on N900 display (some kind of hypnotic) it WORKED everytime and I never missed an appointment. But no Google Integration. Whenenver my N900 will be lost - my Appointments are, too. And last time I tried to use Emering, I screwed up everything.
The HD2 Calendar is perfectly synced with Google, looks really great, and if I want to it reminds me 20 Times! so also there I will NEVER miss a Appointment, When I see the great Animation of Lockscreen from HTC Sense when I have a apoointment I immediatly fall in Love with HD2 again...
Games: N900 fails again. A really bad Doodle Jump CLONE, no Fruit Ninja, bad Sims 3 (only play it on Charger) and Angry birds is okay. Also I think graphics arent the best
HD2; okay, Games arent that much / great here also, but my favourites are all there so - won this round!
Email
N900 wins here. Best Email App I have ever seen. Formatting, Pictures in Email (HTML Email), Attachments, ... some FCs ( -.- )... But all in all its best ever!And easier to write with the integrated Hardware Keyboard!
HD2 Also a great Mail App, but kinda not often using it for writing (no HW keyboard).
TeamViewer - essential for me, missing on N900, available for HD2 - HD2 wins!
Okay, App comparison finished. well, not completely. The N900 has some more cool Apps like automatic Profile switching (Helpful at school), Debian via chroot (OpenOffice, GIMP (!!) ), a TV-Out (not an app but great anyway), Battery and Speed Patches, FreOffice, ...
HD2 has Apps like Google Voice Command (GREAT for writing SMS), pzizz, Facebook, Instant Heart Rate, Shazam, SoundHood, SMS Backup (to Google) and much more... Thats one of my MAIN ASPECTs why I am so confused... I would just miss this apps on N900... -.-
-------- Okay, that was it for now, more tomorrow (when I have time --------
If you read all until here - THANKS! Would LOVE to hear your opinion! And tomorrow I will correct any mistakes I have done!

I think you should install WP7 Mango on your HD2. The software keyboard is just awesome in WP7. Facebook with chat, multiple calendars and email with overview support.

In relation to;
-turning off WiFi in StandBy, not changeable
-not good for Facebook chat
-not very costumizable
-will be slow on my Class4 Card (right?)
-not able to write proper Word Documents (Images for example WTF is it not possible to insert IMAGES into a Word Document from Office?
-to be continued as soon as I flashed and tested it (beginning now)