Database Users

Android on HTC HD2

I am really getting tired of WM 6.5 and the in persistence / buggy experience... Just wanted to know if anyone is working on a port of android 1.6 or 2.0? And is it even possible to port given that it uses 800x480 and not 854x480 like the droid?
I would also be happy to try other non-android alternatives, if any exist? (and how about handling the danish dictionary or symbols(æøå) with alternative roms?)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575

What are you finding so buggy? What what on earth is an "in persistence experience"? :s

Its called the HTC Passion.. basically..
and it absolutely is going to be released....I have that first hand from my contact at Google who has actually handled the device.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=9541

Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus =
I so happy with 6.5 and my TG01 together with the 3.5.1 SPB Mobile shell it is a dream to work with it. Ok it is still no unbox- and just begin- experience, just still have to mod a bit but after a while its just great.
Iphone OS is nothing for me, an OS you need to jailbreak and fear to receive a worm like the one thats sneaking around the web the last days...
Although I don't like this ignorant world domination company.

die_Leuchte said:
Since all these unaware journalists have found a new hobby in bashing WinMo, everyone seems to get the "I am done with this buggy WinMo experience" Virus
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed. To stop these homicidal tendencies brewing in me when I read all this "oh if it only were an Android device" stuff, I can only wish they get their A+Snapdragon whatever sooner, so that they go to some other forums/threads to bug people there, but that time for real reasons - when they realize that trivial things like watching a movie can be a challenge.

I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)

kasperknop said:
I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Google services integration is the only thing in your list that's relevant, plus there's no Android market, which is a dubious loss. Everything else is either design decisions or bugs introduced by HTC and have nothing to do with WM. How in the world would Android add hardware keys for multitasking to HD2? I can't say I always resist following hypes successfully, but this is just ridiculous.

kasperknop said:
I really like the HTC HD2 and it is the best phone hardware I have ever had between my fingers (both spec and design wise imo)
I too was kinda annoyed with all the reviews *****ing about 6.5... But after using the phone since release I can honerstly tell that it has some major flaws that my Hero didn't have - mainly because it runs WinMo 6.5 and not android.
Here is some of the reasons I wanna change to android:
- I have major problems sending and recieving messages (think HTC is working on this..)
- I have wait times when I want to write an sms - up to a minute (also a known universal problem with too many sms'es in your inbox)
- The "dictionary AI" is very, very bad compared to my HTC Hero
- Volume control is very buggy
- No good flash support like on my old Hero
- No good google- calender, email or youtube integration like on Hero
- No Android market with innovative apps like wikitude and ebuddy(facebook chat and good msn app + other im in one)
- no hardkeys for multitasking
I also want to mention that I need to softreset my HD2 once or twice a day simply because some functions (bluetooth, ui, com. manager, etc..) messes up the phone to either freeze, become slow or leave some functions not working... I have never had these problems with my Hero.
It might sound like I hate 6.5, but it has some advantages like leaving more advanced options to fittle around with, remote desktop, wifi-router and stuff like that, so ofc it comes with a price to put android on the HD2 =)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just throw your HD2 into the trashbin (or eBay ) and wait for HTC Dragon.
BTW: Don't you think youl could have more problems with a system that is constantly changing than with a system that is finished?
I made the expirience, that Linux-based systems can be a *****y thing too. Functions that work with one release don't work when you upgrade. I would (and I do) stick to WM because of that.

HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!

docchris1980 said:
HTC is definitely working on the SMS problem... they've asked me to install logging software on my phone to help them identify the cause
As for the dragon, im afriad to say the instant the dragon is released my HD2 is going on ebay, the only reason i wanted it was because of the screen, and if there is an alternative, im getting it!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I said that with the HTC Hero, which was a great device but Android is far from brilliant yet. Hopefully 2.0 will make things a lot better but don't you think most Android phones are just plain awful looks wise... Heres the Dragon v HD2
http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/htc_hd2_htc_dragon-540x388.jpg
Looks, ill stick with HD2. Speed, i'd go with Dragon, but overall usability, i'll stick with the HD2.
People say the HD2 keyboard is poo, but so was the Hero's until the software update. Android is great, but its just too buggy at the minute and the fact a program can run in the background without you knowing and drain the battery in about 20 minutes is rubbish!
As the hardware is the same, I'm quite confident that when the Dragon is out, you'll see that port over to the HD2.

I'm thinking about Android .. task on background can ruin WM device too.
But does Android have good ebook reader ? Comic book reader ? AVI video player ? Good image viewer ? Control over data connection ? I'm afraid of these things ..

What would it take to make Leo the MOST awsome phone ever?

I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)

Two for the price of one?? hehe

samsamuel said:
Two for the price of one?? hehe
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know if this would be considered as an feature thou

Google navigator.

I would like the random freezing to stop, especially coming out of unlock.
I'd love the lockscreen to have music access, its just easier to control from there instead of sliding to the specific tab in sense.
Also I'd really like a better windows live messenger program, its just so dated and old and if they could integrate push notifications on there that would be awesome, Facebook app needs to be improved seems like a half assed attempt because everyone phone was getting the app and they had to rush it.
Other than that, Im pretty happy with the phone at the momemnt, each time they update the software it seems like a brand new phone to me.
Im still waiting on whether wm7 is going to be put on the HD2 because the tasks, calendar, notes and whatever else needs to be updated.

Just to fix the flaws eg call volume too loud and distorts/crackles, screen switches back on making calls so your ear ends up pressing other functions, and text input glitch when pressin 12#
If these were fixed it would be the best phone on the market imo, but with them it's becoming extremely irritating

IMO it already is the "most awesome" phone ever. Sure, there are (or rather have been) some teething problems with the device but with the latest SMS hotfix released today it's near perfect (apart from the camera, but this issue was well publicized as a hardware problem before most of us purchased our phones - and yes, no matter what HTC are saying now, it is a hardware fault).
An official spotify client would be nice, but really I prefer to use the built in media player and store my music on the SD card. Spotify may not be around for much longer anyway if certain analysts are to be believed.
The FB client does suck, but it does what it's supposed to - more or less. Even on the iPhone I tend not to use the app but go directly to the website. Unless all you're doing is changing your status or uploading a photo it's just as fast (and should you do a status update or share a photo there are better ways than the app anyhow - I do miss having the ability to add a caption using the MS Uploader though).
So far I haven't come across any apps I need (or want) that are not available on WM, and while the iPhone does have a uniform look, UI wise, the fact WM does not is perhaps a good thing as it allows for more variety. If anything I wish MS would come up with a standard set of skinnable controls so that applying a theme to the phone would change the entire experience - I have a feeling this is in WM7 (to some extent).
Of course, there are ways to make it even more awesome, such as a better battery life, TV out, USB host capabilities, second camera (video calls / webcam) etc, but really it doesn't matter due to the 4.3" screen we do have - that, and the processor, is what makes this device what it is. Without the larger screen it would have been just another phone. By the time WM7 is available we'll likely get another handset with all the features above, the large screen and hopefully Nvidia Tegra

I'd be happy with it if they'd just fix all the damn bugs.

The only things that I want are tv-out and a larger capacity battery. Everything else is spiffy

arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ever up until when?
Now?
or now?
or how about now?
Technology is constantly moving, expect a new handset from HTC by the end of the year that blows away the HD2...
It currently is already an awesome handset with some slight quirks/bugs that need rectifying but it will quickly be caught up by other manufacturers and also by HTC itself...

arxx said:
I really like HD2, and with the New SMS Hotfix released today, it might be even better
But what do you REALLY want on the phone, that might come out?
For me, in order of how important:
1. Spotify official client
2. Companies like EA starting to develop big titles to Windows Mobile. We know HD2 is just an capable gaming device like the one Apple makes
3. A good Facebook Client (todays client is poor compared to iPhones)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then

DinoZ1 said:
It might be a stupid question but why don't you get an iPhone then
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
Tactile feedback, 4.3" screen, HTC Sense...
I was also hoping this post would enlighten someones needs, and someone else knowing about how to for fill those needs
I love HD2, but i still have to bring two devices for using i.e. Spotify

Better battery life would make it near perfect for me.

arxx said:
I have an iPhone 3G, But I think HD2 is better in many ways
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I totally agree with you

I only need:
1. a program to disable the T9 button in the keyboard..
2. a program to disable the "Other button other than the power button can't turn on screen"
3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!! and I think I'll have the perfect phone..

completely agree with zelduy , id love those three points as well

zelduy said:
3. rotate screen will rotate every program..
would be AWESOME!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have a look at PLToggle (in my signature). It's not an automatic program that rotates the display when you rotate the device, but it allows all programs to rotate with a long-press on the call button (to the rotation of your choice).
That might help

DinoZ1 said:
I totally agree with you
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I sort of agree. The HD2 would be better if everything worked properly. As a device it's better, but because my iphone 3G worked flawlessly it didn't cause me so many headaches, and therefore could be considered better

The main kicker for me would be the battery life.
If I could get about 2 days average use out of the phone that'd be perfect.
It's not happened to me yet but if I desperately needed to make a call at about 4:30pm I can see myself not having enough battery left. What are mobile phones for after all?

I just want it to do everything good without freezing

What do you think of your Mega?

Hi All
I'm possibly looking at a mega for my next work phone, and am interested in people's opinions.
Are there any noteable drawbacks to it? Any noteable positives?
My current work phone is a Vogue. Is it a good upgrade from the vogue? What's better about it?
Phone will be used primarily for email and calendar and calling.
Are there any other devices in the same price range which you wish you'd purchased instead?

OK..
I've had a few windows mobile devices over the years... kaiser, artemis, elf... the Mega is by far the best I've had. It's fast, small, got everything you need on it. Couldn't really fault it. As a business device, it connects to exchange without any extra software, you can surf the net fine (use Opera Mini!), GPS for travelling, wifi for fast data transfer. I've even persuaded my mum to get one!
I use my device mainly for email and browsing, occasional satnav, and of course phone. I recently tried the LG GD500 and the Samsung Tocco Light, and another new LG - none compare with Windows Mobile devices, and as far as WinMo devices go, the Mega is, in my opinion, the best combination of features, performance and size.

If you have a bit extra cash, get the HD2. Touch2 too small. Difficult to type for large fingers. TF2D 2.0 also has limited development.

Personally, I can't see why people get so obsessed with TF2d/Manila/Titanium/SPB/Throttlelauncher/Other Shells...
It's all just eye-candy. People start flashing new ROMs then complain that certain functions don't work, or it's too slow...
I may be in the minority here, but what I wand from my device is (a) basic everyday onformation on my initial screen - message count, diary for the next few days, time, and (b) quick access to my most commonly used functions - email, internet.
Touchflo, Titanium etc just add another layer of complexity that eats up memory, makes things harder to get to, and ultimately slows down the device. The stock roms are fast enough too, although I have to admit I do like playing with new roms, I always use a standard today screen rather than touchflo etc.
I understand the argument about size for typing, but there are bigger virtual keyboards if needed, and it's a personal choice - I find the size of the Mega the best all round compromise - big enough to be useable and small enough to stick in your jeans pocket without being uncomfortable...
Rant over, sorry!

TangerineTractor said:
Personally, I can't see why people g........
Rant over, sorry!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 for that .
If you really really need a so called 'Business Device', then IMHO neither Touch2 nor Touch HD2 cut the ice, get a phone with a real key pad .. like TP2 . I can mail better with my vox or even my B7320 than I can with my Touch2, but Touch2 is a much better and more complete device .

Phones like TD2 or HD2 are really good emailing and calender phones.
The drawback on Touch2 is the calender. It is really bad the way i see it. Even in TouchFlo it doesnt have a good calender. Its just horrifying for me. If you compare it to the 3D of Td2 and HD2 its really bad. TouchFlo3D has awesome calender and appointments, calender mainly due to the fact it shows the dates like a real calender but touch2 shows a long line and very inconvenient.
Emailing is okay but if u hav alot of emails you might want to get a long phone like Td2 to see all ur emails in one screen without scrolling down alot.
If you have big fingers ur going to find texting Very hard.
It only has QWERTY and Phone Keypad while HD2 has Qwerty,semi qwerty and many more.
In the end its ur decision

Thanks guys. I'm limited by how much the company will spend on a phone for me - the price of the Mega is about the maximum they will spend, and I'm not allowed to top up (I would have to buy my own phone with no compensation).
I'm also limited by the fact it has to be a phone advertised by telecom NZ (www.telecom.co.nz) - the mega is not there yet but it will be in the next couple of weeks according to the insider I've talked to.
I found a decent calendar app while I was running winmo on the Vogue, so I'm sure I can find one for the Mega.
How is the speed and screen responsiveness? That's the major drawback to the Vogue.

AaronNZ said:
Thanks guys. I'm limited by how much the company will spend on a phone for me - the price of the Mega is about the maximum they will spend, and I'm not allowed to top up (I would have to buy my own phone with no compensation).
I'm also limited by the fact it has to be a phone advertised by telecom NZ (www.telecom.co.nz) - the mega is not there yet but it will be in the next couple of weeks according to the insider I've talked to.
I found a decent calendar app while I was running winmo on the Vogue, so I'm sure I can find one for the Mega.
How is the speed and screen responsiveness? That's the major drawback to the Vogue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No issues with speed or responsiveness. If you need a decent calendar, disable the touchflo stuff and put todayagenda (free) on your todayscreen.

pretty nice PDA put on Tiger Clean ROM and u've got 4 days of battery life
and yes , u can find another calendar app for the Mega and the problem is solved ;]]

Anyone still use WM6.5?

Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?

THUDUK said:
Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As you see in my sig below, I currently run Athine OS.
I dont need Android HD2 anymore. too many problems occur that cause bad blocks in its NAND.
Cheers..

Yea, I still use it. Oh, don't get me wrong. I tried Android and WP7. I just don't think they gave me enough reason to switch over completely. Occasionally boot Android but that's mainly because my son likes Fruit Ninja.
Edit: I run Dutty's 6.5.x ROM.

Cenobite_ said:
Yea, I still use it. Oh, don't get me wrong. I tried Android and WP7. I just don't think they gave me enough reason to switch over completely. Occasionally boot Android but that's mainly because my son likes Fruit Ninja.
Edit: I run Dutty's 6.5.x ROM.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
same for me but reverse is true.aftrer finding vplayer advnce ang moboplayer i dont need wm.it sucks.now on dhd rafdroid build.

I've just gone back to winmo, had nand android and wp7 but with micro usb probs gone back to winmo and quite happy

after 3 phones my 4th works perfect, and it does make a big difference, no freezes random shutoffs, reboots it works perfect and i am very happy with it. plus i am tired of tweaking the phone and modding it, i just want to use and enjoy it. i will go to android someday, i love what my friends android's do, but i am stickin with 6.5 and sense, and cht. it is so nice when you get a great running phone. i do not have to even clear temp files anymore, even though i do every while, when i think of it.

Heading back to winmo as soon as I get a few hours to update my kitchen.
Bored of android, no clue how to tweak it, miss the registry.

Yes love it to the max...
Best smartphone os ever..

I have to say I am amazed anyone is still using winmo, Android is stable on the HD2, if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong
Could'nt go back to winmo now, would missed all the games and other apps you just cant get with winmo. The only thing I miss a little is the performance of coreplayer but some of the new video app releases are nearly there now.
+ nobody is really developing for winmo anymore, closed platform, let it die in peace people

Still the one for me
I've been using WM since the Pocket PC Phone 2003 version. I really like it. I don't play many games, but I have dozens of applications that I have collected over the years (mostly free), and the HD2 runs WM better than any phone I've owned. I also like the fact that I can customize it using the registry, and the integration with MS Office applications, including Outlook.
I have Android on my tablet, but I prefer WM.

The only reason that I have Android on my HD2 (SD card version) is so that I can play with SPB Mobile 3D. Other than that, I still love WinMo. It does what I want it to do better than the other OS's available.
Android and WP7 run well, if not a bit heavy on battery. But at the end of the day, I always end up with WinMo 6.5 as my daily driver.

stoolzo said:
I have to say I am amazed anyone is still using winmo, Android is stable on the HD2, if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong
Could'nt go back to winmo now, would missed all the games and other apps you just cant get with winmo. The only thing I miss a little is the performance of coreplayer bult some of the new video app releases are nearly there now.
+ nobody is really developing for winmo anymore, closed platform, let it die in peace people
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Glad you like Android on your HD2 and everyone is untitled to their preceded OS. But from your post Windows Mobile was not an OS for you anyway as Win Mo is more occasion true power users OS and a business oriented OS. Not for people that like to play games and just use social networks. Win Mo gives you a true mobile computing capabilities where Android is still paling so much in this area in my opinion. So you see your statement that "if you are finding it not so you are doing something wrong" is totally incorrect as if it was not for Win Mo you would not have Android or IOS. You see Win Mo was the first true mobile OS and any other OS is simply just playing catch up in my mind. Yes Android,Wp7, and IOS all run smoother than Win Mo but all lack the true functionality of Win Mo. I you ask me Microsoft shot their self in the foot when they decided to stop development of Win Mo and created WP7 unless WP7 makes massive leaps in the next year. Also there is still plenty of development of Windows Mobile, I regularly see articles on Windows Mobile in the XDA portal like at least tw to three times a week. No harm meant friend just speaking my opinion
Now as far as the subject at hand I am currently running Hyperdriid from NAND. Which I have to say I like, I only went NAND though to see what all the fuss was about and for the hands on experience of it, I have only been running NAND for three weeks. But like member Samsamueal I will probably be going back to Win Mo before long. I do not like the way copy and past works on Android. I not like how the task managers in Android work, tasked more time to close a application. I absolutely hate that the Android keyboard does not have directional buttons on it,the little arrow icon thing is total crap as far as actually being usable, and you have to hit the symbol button to get any symbol where in Win Mo you do not. I do not like the fact that you can not choice where you want to download files to or save files to, and when you save pictures from mms you can not choose where they go. You have to save to the default location then manually move them to where you want them. You just have a app tray not a true started menu that you can navigate similar to a real computer. You can not have a file to just save games in and then assess from the app tray to cut down on clutter the same is true with any other thing you would want to do this with like tools, media, and etc.Android is still playing catch up in the functionality area to me
Peace

is it coincidence that ive come across this thread after returning to winmo from a few days on android?? no......its fate... fate I tells ya.....
Anyway... yeah lots of people still use WM.
If it had a decent forum reading app i wouldn't need Android at all.....

I'm trying to use android daily - there are a lot of things I like about it. However, when I need a rock solid performance (i.e. on a business trip, etc.) I reboot back into winmo 6.5. I know it, what it does, how long the battery will last, etc. I also know what it doesn't do, that Android does better (imho). I think there is more flexibility in apps on android. But the open platform causes issues. It's why quite a lot of people use the Office suite from MS. They know what to expect.
I'm very happy to have the opportunity to play with the phone.
Kris

samsamuel said:
Heading back to winmo as soon as I get a few hours to update my kitchen.
Bored of android, no clue how to tweak it, miss the registry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True that's my main problem with android I really don't know how to tweak it. But with wm just edit registry reboot. Your done. Really Hate microsft for not updating this powerful os if they had they act together nobody could touch them with wm. Even yrs of neglect from microsoft look what the devs manage to do with the thing. I love showing my friends all of the oses am able to run. Wm will always be 1, as for microsoft am done with them never will buy their product because they very old and stupid people working there it seems. When Steve Jobs announced the iphone even at $600 with a 2yrs ballmer bald ass was just laughing while Steve Jobs was working on the iphone and boom who's laughing now bald ass. Microsft had what 90 percent of the mobile marketing share. Than 600 yrs later they give us that feature less wanna ios crap they call windows phone 7. Lol Microsoft had as much if not more followers than apple did with the iPhone. I mean we still use wm till this day. Microsoft simply let us down.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA Premium App

I still use WM 6.5.
Everything you need, everything is smooth, everything you want.

I thought I would go back and try WM6.5...
Now I have the latest EnergyROM
Things I realise that I have missed since messing about with Android and Windows Phone...
1) SENSE UI on wm is superp, the lackluster effort with the Android version just doesn't compare and the HTC HUB on WP7 well not worth even mentioning. Although the weather animations are completely unnecessary, they are truly a thing of beauty compared to the simpler Android effects.
2) Email TAB is so slick to use, finger flick through your emails, likewise with the photo tab, twitter tab is brilliant, probably similar to the Android Sense version, although WM6.5 Sense severely lacks any Facebook TAB that is of any use.
3) Calendar that is so easy to use its laughable, on WM6.5 native calendar you can simply press hold cut and flick to another date and paste your appointments, I have never come across any calendar in Android and the WP7 one certainly doesn't allow this, its probably one of the things I do most, is move appointments onto the next day
4) Had to pick up some glass from a company yesterday, opened Google maps and was amazed just how more information is shown on the maps within WM compared to Androids, found 7 satellites within seconds, 3G picked up the company, had a route on the map within a minute of opening the app, super fast and never dropped internet connection, which often happened with the Android builds used, although WP7 was equally as stable, the Bing maps are not quite upto the Google ones. OK Android has the turn by turn google map navigation, but I prefer the top down google map views to the 3D type turn by turn stuff.
5) Went out for a run last night, started up Run.GPS, instant Satelites found, clicked on the bluetooth headphones, yet again instantly found and working, started the music and I was yet again amazed and had completely forgotten just how nice the sound is through the HD2 running WM6.5, with the audio booster on even through the bluetooth headphones the music sound was crisp clear and bass deep, the voice responses through run.GPS are so clear and human like were as the voices on Android versions have a more robotic edge, even Marathon and Endomondo on WP7 are not so clear. on my 7 mile hour run never lost a sattelite and the music played perfectly not a skip anywhere, bliss, when I got back I uploaded the gpx file and compared it to the runkeeper, endomondo and rungps Android gpx files of the same run done a few days ago, and to my amazement the smoothness and accuracy of the WM version was far superior.
6) Multi Tasking, what I forgot was I still had so many apps running in the background without any problem, the superb arkswitch shows up I had, these running at the same time.
tmail, file explorer, tasks, run.gps, googlemaps, bbc news, facebook app, calendar, calculator and internet with dropbox page loaded.
7) Battery life on my usual run as mentioned above on most Android builds both NAND and SD would drop from 100% to around 60%, where as last night it only dropped to 75%.
I probably am starting to sound like an advert for WM, I am not I thought by going over to Android and then when I put WP7 on my HD2 I would never look back, but actually WM is pretty fantastic, except for its application marketplace, which is such a shame all microsoft need to do was improve the marketplace, introduce a new UI like the metro one for WM and re-market it.
Using Windows mobile is like running a PC on a small hand-held you can USB link instantly with your computer, drag and drop stuff that will actually work, you can download files from the internet and save them anywhere you like, you can pull out your SD card and not have any problems then pop it back in and the files will be instantly viewable.
YES there are some very good games on Windows mobile, Ferrari GT HD2 accelerometer version is graphically brilliant and runs like a dream, huff and puff is similar to angry birds and looks good but none of these windows mobile games come close to the Android or Windows Phone versions and choice, I particularly love wordsmith/words with friends on Android and AlphaJax and words by post on WP7, there is nothing like this on Windows mobile.
Basically Windows mobile is probably the best operating system on a phone, but its let down by its marketplace, lack of development in applications for gaming and social media.
I will probably end up flashing wp7 when the HD2 NODO update eventually gets here, running Android from the SD dual boot yet again, just because some of those applications are too good to miss. its a shame because windows mobile is superior in my opinion.

I use WM 6.5 daily for work, PDA, my hobby, game, music, and many. WM6.5 is very good.
As the price down, I purchased another HD2 this month. My opinion is to purchase more HD2 if I have money.
I am using Artemis v57 and installed Cookie Home Tab and CHT Editor. That's so great

THUDUK said:
Thinking about giving it a go, been running my HD2 on Android and WP7 for so long now, anyone still use it daily?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes! I currently use the stock 3.14 rom!
I don't have trouble in daily activities!

I have a pure vanilla 6.5 (fully patched with all HTC's updates) and can safely say I won't need to faff about with it until my next phone comes along. It still scares me with what this phone can do!

[Q] HD2, N900, Desire Z or 7 Pro?

Hey to all,
I now have a great choise - choosing the mobile phone with fits best for me. But the problem is; I dont know with one it is.
I was able to test all these Phones for now;
-HTC HD2 (owning now)
-Nokia N900 (owning now)
-Desire Z (may sell HD2 / N900 and buy one)
-HTC 7 Pro (same as Desire Z)
But I dont know with Device fits best to me, so I would be happy to get help from you.
I really looooooooooove the N900 because of its abilities of chatting via Facebook, ICQ, MSN, ... Also I like 48 Gigs of Storage and the Look&Feel of Maemo. But thats all. I hate that there are no Apps like Shazam or Soundhood, Pzizz and so on, no Social Network clients (dont like Sociality), no Games (installed Sims 3, PS1 games are tooo CPU intensive) and its sometimes very slow, no HD recording and slowly but sure I do no longer like the UI itself.
The HD2 has a f**cking great screen, but FB Chat / other Chat-Apps are sucking (IMHO, there are always get closed after few mins of inactivity) and Android is not completely "adult" on HD2 now. Okay, I can install Win7 but why? Games, thats only Point And Windows Mobile? naah not a choise for me...
The Desire Z also uses Android, but I think its verry laggy on Desire Z. All in All, Android is some kind of laggy feel (at least the Sense, and when I have an android Phone, it MUST have Sense). And again the missing chat Programs are a big "Maybe-No-Go" here... Also the HW Keyboard sucks like hell. Feels like im Typing on Gum
The HTC 7 uses Windows Phone - with says nearly all. I love playing Games on it, but thats nearly all. Okay, I also love the HW Keyboard (like I do on my N900), but this closed Source-No-Messenger-no real Multitasking Thing (and some more things) is a no go for me...
So, please, I REALLY could need your help. If you have any questions or If i Should clarify something just tell me here or PM me
Thanks!!!
And sorry if there are any mistakes, I am from germany
Robin

The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".

Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.

anseio said:
The Mango release of WP7 allows for multitasking and for Facebook chat. I'm not sure if you like the multitasking, but it seems to work well enough.
To use Facebook Chat on WP7, go to messaging and swipe left to "online".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah I know but MS is sooo stupid - every time the device goes to StandBy WLAN turns off... -.- (And thats not the only thing with annoys me on Windows Phone 7 "Facebook chat" and "Multitasking" )

drachers said:
Looks like there's an opening for a good QWERTYphone then. In the UK there aren't many good ones, specially not on contract. The Desire Z is not sold on contract in the UK due to reliability issues. I am interested in the Dell Venue Pro (Android edition) but in the UK only the Winmo7 version seems to be prevalent. If someone hacks the W7 version of the phone to run a clean android rom then I'd get one in an instant as they are frequently discounted due to their age.
Since the N900 doesn't have the rich android ecosystem going on I can't recommend it despite me liking it very much. If you weren't bothered about apps it would be perfect. My go-to phones for chat are the Nokia candybars like the E71/E72/E5/E6 etc but Nokia are currently attempting to write them out of history due to their entire software division being monkeys.
The HTC HD2 will probably be much better if you find a rom/radio rom with better connection stability. For what it's worth I have one, and when I installed NexusHD2-Gingerbread V2.8 rom things got much better than more recent ones. Your mileage WILL vary, it just requires a lot of reading and experimentation.
I believe you should wait, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to QWERTY slider phones with 4" screens so your choice will be increased early next year - a few good options should be available.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First; Thanks
After reflashing the Radio everything works fine now... Happy with that
Yeah but the E6 for example uses Symbian With I think is even worse then Maemo is...
I would immediatly stay with the HD2 if there would be 2 Things - HW Keyboard (okay, not that bad) and a Telepathy Integration for it... Like N900 - it has so reeeally great Integration of Skype and ICQ without any additional Apps... The HTC integrated "FBChat" App - horrible...
"Early next year" - My birthday is on Janurary 12th Its a bit really "early" but I can say that I would like to have some money for a new mobile phone (ouuh my mum will kill me - "WHAAAT? Another new mobile?" ;D )

Mhhhm I am just comparing N900 vs HD2 (Android) now... Both are next to me and I am comparing some Functions...
Will post some of my "result" here (I am damn tired but dont want to go sleeping already).
"HD2" means HTC HD2 with Android WITH HTC SENSE installed. "Android" means the Same!
Lets start;
Boot - doesnt matter... Both okay, I think (havent tested it though)
N900 needs longer to boot. But I can boot (natively) Ubuntu, some kind of Android and Maemo... All together.
HD2 can take Android, WM 6.5, WM7 and Ubuntu (emulated)... Okay, "native" Ubuntu better then emulated one. But emulated one better (in case of functions) then native... Damn I think HD2 wins here.
User Interface;
N900 UI is very polished and clean, everything works fast, but it looks a bit old if compared to Sense 3.5, Also its resistive Touchscreen just make some "old school feel" (but is BEST in winter while using gloves or while its raining). Want to start an App? Click, click and after max 3 Secs - App starting... After max of 6 secs App loaded and ready to use. great!
HD2 UI is reeally Eyecandy to me. I love the LockScreen with all these big Icons, the colors and Sounds. I love the Widgets of favourite Contacts. While I am writing about widgets - N900 is better choise there. You can "widgetise" everything on 1 of your 4-12 Homescreens. Contacts, Favourites of Browser, Programs, Settings, real "Widgets",... With HD2 you can do Groups of Contacts, Messages, Mail, Music, Weather, Calendar and more..But everything looks more nice and more "stylish" then on N900. N900 again everything is really intuitive. The User Experience is incredibly great and intuitive, with Android I sometimes need to think "uuhm, wheres that Setting now?" - NEVER done on N900.
Browser: I think, N900 browser has been beaten. Flash on N900? Lame... YouTube on N900? Hangs and I nearly always need to FC the Browser... Really pity. Pages need long to load (if compared to HD2), but when they are loaded they look as on the Desktop (but no Text Reflow DAMN). FireFox for Maemo is no longer continued (FF for Android is) and so we will never see great new functions on our N900s. Android though have much more "potential". Firefox is still developed and supported, and other browsers may follow. Okay, not Chrome and Opera I think, but the integrated browser is fast, reliable and displays everything how I want it .
Apps: My Must-have-Apps for a Mobile Phone are:
-Good Facebook Support (Pictures, Status, All Contacts, Chat)
-Calendar (multiple Reminders I dont overlook or forget, multiple Calendars)
-Games (okay, I only want Angry Birds, Doodle Jump, Fruit ninja)
-Good Email App
-TeamViewer
Facebook Support;
N900 fails here (some kind of). N900 syncs your Contacts, syncs your pictures, Birthdays, Emails and "Homepages" (WHY?!) of your FB contacts. okay. And Facebook chat is best ever! Greatly integrated and nothing I can say against it. Never was unreliable (it more was the opposite - I am at the PC and EVERY Message my N900 beeps but sadly it doesnt sync outgoing Messages ) But where are Status Updates? Regular Updates? Posting possibilities? okay, Sociality is good but really slow, sluggish and buggy. I cant post any location where I am as example.
Calendar
Both the same... GREAT!
N900 Calendar - its more easy to miss a Appointment, but because of the great Home Widget and always if I hear the Calendar tone I immediatly STOP everything I do and do the thing whats on N900 display (some kind of hypnotic) it WORKED everytime and I never missed an appointment. But no Google Integration. Whenenver my N900 will be lost - my Appointments are, too. And last time I tried to use Emering, I screwed up everything.
The HD2 Calendar is perfectly synced with Google, looks really great, and if I want to it reminds me 20 Times! so also there I will NEVER miss a Appointment, When I see the great Animation of Lockscreen from HTC Sense when I have a apoointment I immediatly fall in Love with HD2 again...
Games: N900 fails again. A really bad Doodle Jump CLONE, no Fruit Ninja, bad Sims 3 (only play it on Charger) and Angry birds is okay. Also I think graphics arent the best
HD2; okay, Games arent that much / great here also, but my favourites are all there so - won this round!
Email
N900 wins here. Best Email App I have ever seen. Formatting, Pictures in Email (HTML Email), Attachments, ... some FCs ( -.- )... But all in all its best ever!And easier to write with the integrated Hardware Keyboard!
HD2 Also a great Mail App, but kinda not often using it for writing (no HW keyboard).
TeamViewer - essential for me, missing on N900, available for HD2 - HD2 wins!
Okay, App comparison finished. well, not completely. The N900 has some more cool Apps like automatic Profile switching (Helpful at school), Debian via chroot (OpenOffice, GIMP (!!) ), a TV-Out (not an app but great anyway), Battery and Speed Patches, FreOffice, ...
HD2 has Apps like Google Voice Command (GREAT for writing SMS), pzizz, Facebook, Instant Heart Rate, Shazam, SoundHood, SMS Backup (to Google) and much more... Thats one of my MAIN ASPECTs why I am so confused... I would just miss this apps on N900... -.-
-------- Okay, that was it for now, more tomorrow (when I have time --------
If you read all until here - THANKS! Would LOVE to hear your opinion! And tomorrow I will correct any mistakes I have done!

I think you should install WP7 Mango on your HD2. The software keyboard is just awesome in WP7. Facebook with chat, multiple calendars and email with overview support.

In relation to;
-turning off WiFi in StandBy, not changeable
-not good for Facebook chat
-not very costumizable
-will be slow on my Class4 Card (right?)
-not able to write proper Word Documents (Images for example WTF is it not possible to insert IMAGES into a Word Document from Office?
-to be continued as soon as I flashed and tested it (beginning now)