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soooo incredible capable of getting 4g?
no. no hardware for it
That's just wrong. I wont even get update on a new phone for a while. Oh well.
It's not...wrong. 4G requires a new piece of radio hardware to be installed in the phone...besides the fact that Verizon hasn't even lit up the country with LTE yet, let alone 7 months ago when the phone first game out.
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That's just wrong. I wont even get update on a new phone for a while. Oh well.
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how is that wrong? you bought a 3g phone not a lte ready phone, I won't be succumbing to any 4g phones til I'm guaranteed to have the service in my area...plus it's not even on yet for us so why would it
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Its not wrong. Just wanted to see how many people would cry.
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Plus just didn't know how exactly that 4glte and 3g works so. Thought it was just software upgrade
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Thought it was just software upgrade
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lol really?..
Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
I would like for this to be true.
Can this be true? Please?
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Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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Wish we had more smarter people like you and looking more positive than crying about oh no we can't have this and that.
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It's not...wrong. 4G requires a new piece of radio hardware to be installed in the phone...besides the fact that Verizon hasn't even lit up the country with LTE yet, let alone 7 months ago when the phone first game out.
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Read the last post and say whaaat.
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Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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well, unless you have something to back up your claim that a software update will enable 4g...excuse me, 3.5g, then your basically talking out your ass. no offense intended, just back up your claims
LTE is actually different from 4G... Look into it and you will see Verizon is claiming that LTE will run at least 3x faster than 4G. Whether they can back up those claims has yet to be seen.
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Wish we had more smarter people like you and looking more positive than crying about oh no we can't have this and that.
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More smart people blowing smoke??? If so I prefer the idiot who has facts.
Im not calling the guy who posted that info an idiot as he specifically said its just what he thought.
Contribute something before saying we need more of the smarter people.
LTE Testing and "G" question
Ok for the 1st thing about radios and software or hardware, as an RF engineer I can say that if the stripline rf sections are capeable of being tuned far enough to run the 700MHZ band, and I will confirm that VZW LTE is in that band as we are running it now, the protocols are different so I do not beleive the chipset will be flashable to run it. They may have indeed looked forward enough to make it so but I have no specific knowledge of it, except that VZW is going to release an LTE version that is in the EVO case but with LTE instead of WI-MAX, good news because front cam and everything. A history lession though is that I have an old HTC PPC5050 in my collection that was an evaluation unit for Sprint back before the 6600 came out and was never accepted and released. This thing had a GPS hump on top of it that really worked when everyone else was AGPS only, and in the spec was EVDO before Sprint even had it. I used it in the first tests of EVDO at ACS in Anchorage and it worked, the first EVDO smart phone and it was never let out, so some strange stuff does happen, I just do not think VZW would have motivation to flash LTE if they could, but just my opinion, could be wrong.
The "G" thing is more company hype and advertising than anything else. LTE is getting 20-35 MBPS with nobody else on it so when it is public, shared, groomed, and throttled who knows but I know it will whip WI-MAX ;-)
It Won't Happen..
LTE Will Require A Sort Of Sim Card...Droid Incredible Has No Sim Card Port. So We Won't Have LTE
You guys make me laugh.
Ill just end up buying a phone that's capable of doing it. Maybe incredible HD.
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You guys make me laugh.
Ill just end up buying a phone that's capable of doing it. Maybe incredible HD.
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It will be a few months before there are any LTE capable handsets on the market. Even then, unless you live in one of the handful of cities that will have LTE next year, you'll simply just be using 3G.
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It will be a few months before there are any LTE capable handsets on the market. Even then, unless you live in one of the handful of cities that will have LTE next year, you'll simply just be using 3G.
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i live in LA. so.
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living
yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.
Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.
I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
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One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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Ok. I've pulled the images from the EVO dump of the 4G connection notification symbol...but how would I link them in a custom framework-res.apk to appear whenever I am connected to HSPA+? I would like to know when I have "4g Speeds" without going to About Phone, then Network.
This would be nice!
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agreed ...
Has there been any developements on this subject. Would be really nice to know when I am in 3G or a 4G area. It really should have came that way new
I would also love to see this in somebodys rom!
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
T-Fanatic said:
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
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The phone's "about phone" section under settings can detect the difference between 3G (UMTS-HSPDA) and 4G (HSPA+), so why couldn't the same info be passed on to the ROM's data indicator?
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
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HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
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HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
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If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
Normally that would be true but now legally due to the recent FFC ruling HSPA+ is considered 4G as part of another marketing gimmick by wireless provider. As they all wanted to push for it so now HSPA+ 21 now divide that by half is actually capped on the phone now divide that by half again and thats your actual speed lol. This is why TMo got away with claiming to be the largest 4G network in USA lol hence no one revolted not Sprint or Verizon as TMo beat them at their own game. As delivering 4G in 2010 is just another inside joke you won't believe how many morons would pay or upgrade their dataplan thinking 4G is better without actually getting anything IRL. I had an idiot who argue with me he was getting 4G service on a device that was not even 4G capable. I had to explain to him he is benefiting from the network upgrade but its still HSPA.
If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
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I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
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I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
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Yea i agree. I just cannot wait to see what is going to happen with true "4g" starts to roll out.
"Here at ____ have the first 4G system"
"wait i thought you said had 4G back in 2011"
"we did but that wasn't 4G, this IS 4G"
if we cant get the 4g to appear up at the top notification bar why cant we just create an application that polls the about phone for the HSPA+ or UMTS-HSPA and display an icon on the desktop that tells us which one it is? its not the best solution but at least when i'm on the home screen i can tell if i'm on 3G or 4G
THAT would be sooo cook. I hope someone figures out how to do it.
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Cool I meant. Lol.
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On CM7 it reads either 3g or H so you do know, but not on stock.
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Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
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Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
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H is hspa for tmobile there is no difference between hdsa and hspa for the notification bar the only way to tell is to run speedtest
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International market is getting Atrix 3G, US is getting 4G. Is there any difference? As far as I know, both versions support HSPA+.
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International market is getting Atrix 3G, US is getting 4G. Is there any difference? As far as I know, both versions support HSPA+.
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Largely terminology. If you mean HSPA+, then no, there's no difference. Someone has hinted that the Atrix will make it to other carriers. If it goes to Verizon, we could see a version that supports LTE. Then you'll have a difference. Until then, it's HSPA+ on various frequencies (assuming there will be a European version on a quirky frequency, and assuming it hits TMo).
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There is no difference at all. In Europe they don't call HSPA+ 4G, so it's not called a 4G phone there.
It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G). Otherwise, they would surely market it the same way in Canada and Europe.
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It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G). Otherwise, they would surely market it the same way in Canada and Europe.
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The idea of US carriers calling HSPA+ 4G is that it is delivering 4G speeds using upgraded 3G technology. 14.4Mbps HSPA+ with AT&T is nearly on par with the LTE speeds we will see on Verizon initially. T-Mobile is cranking their HSPA+ up to 42Mbps or something similar. It will be some time before carriers can really flex LTE muscle, but for now there really won't be that huge of a speed difference, so all these carriers calling their data tech 4G is just marketing.
Besides, LTE is NOT 4G either by definition. LTE is more of a 3.5G technology, similar to HSPA+, but the cool thing with LTE is that over time it can be upgraded to approximately 300Mbps theoretical download speed, while HSPA+ can only be upgraded to approximately 84Mbps download speed.
LTE Advanced will be the first technically compliant 4G technology on the market, but we are still years off from seeing that in the real world.
So take everything you see about 4G as a grain of salt. Atrix 4G vs Atrix is just marketing lingo.
And when people want to say that the Droid Bionic is a real 4G device would technically be incorrect. So don't think your Atrix is in any way inferior to the Bionic (except maybe camera and screen size).
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It's kind of weird, it's probably because of some more restrictive laws outside the US where you can't call a cat a tiger (after all, HSPA+ is NOT 4G).
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It is now. Standards folks changed their minds, and as of last month or so current WiMax, current LTE, and HSPA+ are all 4G.
when i talked with my rep basically he said they were dropping the 4g just to make things easier. The phone is the same, just some people are still using the superfluous 4g tag.
Does this mean that we can buy a sim-free Atrix 4g from at&t, bring it to europe and use it with european sim cards?or any other gsm sim-cards around the world?
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Does this mean that we can buy a sim-free Atrix 4g from at&t, bring it to europe and use it with european sim cards?or any other gsm sim-cards around the world?
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I'd really like to know that as well. Besides this the only thing preventing me from ordering an unlocked version as soon as such is available is the bootloader thing.
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I'd really like to know that as well. Besides this the only thing preventing me from ordering an unlocked version as soon as such is available is the bootloader thing.
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same here.thats why im considering galaxy s2 now. i have both moto milestone and galaxy s,the build quality of moto is way better.also my friends like the milestone build and look more,but the locked up bootloader really frustrated me.although there aren't much of great custom roms for galaxy s either,we haven't had a decent cyanogenmod rom around yet, after 8 month since galaxy s been released.
i like atrix more because of better build,higher resolution and tegra 2,but the damn bootloader and later release date along with slightly better specs for s2 like shipping with 2.3 and better camera is changing my desire.
not to mention that this time moto is using PenTile for it LCD and sami is using stripe matrix for its samoled+. thats another let down for atrix.
it was stupid from moto to change the lcd tech on atrix, stripe matrix looked great on milestone.
u can see the differences here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
you can see im pretty confused here!if only the damn nexus s was shipped with a daul core cpu!
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The idea of US carriers calling HSPA+ 4G is that it is delivering 4G speeds using upgraded 3G technology. 14.4Mbps HSPA+ with AT&T is nearly on par with the LTE speeds we will see on Verizon initially. T-Mobile is cranking their HSPA+ up to 42Mbps or something similar. It will be some time before carriers can really flex LTE muscle, but for now there really won't be that huge of a speed difference, so all these carriers calling their data tech 4G is just marketing.
Besides, LTE is NOT 4G either by definition. LTE is more of a 3.5G technology, similar to HSPA+, but the cool thing with LTE is that over time it can be upgraded to approximately 300Mbps theoretical download speed, while HSPA+ can only be upgraded to approximately 84Mbps download speed.
LTE Advanced will be the first technically compliant 4G technology on the market, but we are still years off from seeing that in the real world.
So take everything you see about 4G as a grain of salt. Atrix 4G vs Atrix is just marketing lingo.
And when people want to say that the Droid Bionic is a real 4G device would technically be incorrect. So don't think your Atrix is in any way inferior to the Bionic (except maybe camera and screen size).
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Just thought I'd correct you. Tmobile has claimed they can reach speeds of up to 672mbps with their HSPA+ tech. Honestly with speeds like that is there any real need for LTE?
"Now we're seeing a chart of T-Mobile's 4G evolution on the HSPA+ technology path, starting with 21Mbps in 2010. We're seeing 28, 42, 84, 168, and 672Mbps bars here as we move through dual-carrier, MIMO, and so on."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/live-from-t-mobiles-ces-2011-press-event/
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"Now we're seeing a chart of T-Mobile's 4G evolution on the HSPA+ technology path, starting with 21Mbps in 2010. We're seeing 28, 42, 84, 168, and 672Mbps bars here as we move through dual-carrier, MIMO, and so on."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/live-from-t-mobiles-ces-2011-press-event/
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This is basically LTE. They will be switching to it eventually, and these technologies is what makes up most of it.
Just to make sure everyone's aware. Without a huge picocell/femtocell underlay, you will never see anything over 6-12 meg on an LTE network.
The difference between atrix 4g and atrix for europe could be regarding frequencies: 4g shold be 3g on frequencies 850/1900/2100 while european version 850/900/1900/2100. This should be not a problem because almost in all europe 3g works on 2100 Mhz frequency. What do you think about it?
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The difference between atrix 4g and atrix for europe could be regarding frequencies: 4g shold be 3g on frequencies 850/1900/2100 while european version 850/900/1900/2100. This should be not a problem because almost in all europe 3g works on 2100 Mhz frequency. What do you think about it?
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Since most 3G GSM operates in the 2100MHZ area nowadays, I don't this this is too much of a problem (if I'm wrong could someone please correct me?)
I'm now curious as to what exactly is the unlock procedure (sim-wise) of an att Atrix... Can anyone please explain (in detail) ?
I'm not familiar with how cell data connections work. Will the new att 4g work with an x10i, using hsdpa?
HSPA is touted as 3.5g, if I am not wrong...
Usage of 4G would require an LTE-able phone, like the new HTC thunderbolt.
I'm not a pro at cellular networks too, just sharing my understanding through what I have read around the web.
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Usage of 4G would require an LTE-able phone, like the new HTC thunderbolt.
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4G and LTE are not the same thing. From what i've read, LTE is more like 3.9G
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I'm not familiar with how cell data connections work. Will the new att 4g work with an x10i, using hsdpa?
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HSPA+ and LTE are both part of AT&t's 4G plan. You need a 4G capable phone to get either, X10 will not work.
I work in the cellular world. The understanding of 4g vs lte can be hard to grasp. Think of LTE as (long term evolution). companies like Verizon and AT&T won't have to invest much additional to the development of 4g or the expansion into what the next level will be. The LTE platform is designed to grow and stretch with the demand.
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