...POS keyboard!!!!!
Am I stupid?
I thought the n1 had a bigger screen than the iphone and it has boggled my mind that its so so so so much easier to type on the iphone 3g and 3gs because that keyboard just looks and feels so much more spacious.
I just measured it and the damned iphone in fact does have a wider screen. I guess im an idiot but i thought the iphone was 3.5" and the n1 3.7", which i assumed to be diagonal meaning the n1 would be taller AND wider. The n1 has a taller screen by a negligible amount but a wider screen, which the inexplicably unbeatable iphone has, is far more useful. This phone was designed so long after the iphone why in the hell is such a basic feature not equaled much less improved? this is really embarrassing and no im not going to use some 3rd party keyboard, ive tried them but the problem is more the screen size and less the google software, which is definitely bested by the iphone in this department but size could have easily remedied it. just pitiful, for the first time since my g1 so long ago, im actually having to convince myself NOT to get the next iphone...
If you simply just look at screenshots of the devices side-by-side you can obviously tell the N1 is taller, while the iphone is WIDER - therefore the typing experience on the iphone is made better by that simple factor, not too much better, but I'm sure it helps.. (I just said that because I figured you would've looked at them being compared before purchasing the device) The typing experience on the iphone is also made better by the work that was put into the the on-screen keyboard, and the only Android one that can counter it in my opinion is the HTC_IME, or Swype. I'm also not a fan of the stock keyboard. (Maybe smart keyboard too.. or shapewriter.. hmm..)
If 3rd party keyboards are not working out for you, you'll simply have have to use the phone in landscape mode to maybe better your typing experience.
We just need HTC_IME for WVGA devices I find using the pixilated version of HTC_IME is better than the stock keyboard on the Nexus One.
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...POS keyboard!!!!!
Am I stupid?
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A) Yes
B) Use the speech to text. How is the speech to text on the iPhone?
swype, my friend. I haven't looked back since I installed it.
seanhassars said:
swype, my friend. I haven't looked back since I installed it.
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But can it go landscape?
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But can it go landscape?
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Yes, but I believe the current one for the Nexus One goes off-screen, unless it has been corrected.
Swype in landscape mode isn't ideal anyways, I only use it portrait, where it shines the best.
And as for the HTC_IME.. wasn't it the Bravo we were going to steal that from?
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A) Yes
B) Use the speech to text. How is the speech to text on the iPhone?
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Fair enough. There's a new voice to text app for the iPhone but I'm willing to bet Google's is more accurate.
Eclair~ said:
If you simply just look at screenshots of the devices side-by-side you can obviously tell the N1 is taller, while the iphone is WIDER - therefore the typing experience on the iphone is made better by that simple factor, not too much better, but I'm sure it helps.. (I just said that because I figured you would've looked at them being compared before purchasing the device) The typing experience on the iphone is also made better by the work that was put into the the ono-screen keyboard, and the only Android one that can counter it in my opinion is the HTC_IME, or Swype. I'm also not a fan of the stock keyboard. (Maybe smart keyboard too.. or shapewriter.. hmm.
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Actually the 3/32nds of an inch difference isnt at all obvious to me by looking at screenshots. Plus coming from g1 and mytouch 3g I couldn't help myself wanting to see what android could do with adequate power, and boy is it impressive (other than the keyboard of course) And on second thought it must just be extremely superior software because that just doesn't seem like enough of a difference otherwise.
Google has the power to crank out a super keyboard in a day or two...whyyyyyyy Google why!?
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Yar. Also try out Swype:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625910&page=1
It's pretty damn cool actually
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Actually the 3/32nds of an inch difference isnt at all obvious to me by looking at screenshots. Plus coming from g1 and mytouch 3g I couldn't help myself wanting to see what android could do with adequate power, and boy is it impressive (other than the keyboard of course) And on second thought it must just be extremely superior software because that just doesn't seem like enough of a difference otherwise.
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Ah, well to me it looked rather noticeable. Even as such, we all view things in a different light I guess.
What is the width / height of the screen on N1 vs iPhone 3GS btw (in millimeters)?
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What is the width / height of the screen on N1 vs iPhone 3GS btw (in millimeters)?
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Not what oyu asked for but Viewing screen is 3.7in for N1 vs iphone which is 3.5
actually if you put the two phone over each other and not side by side and compare of the width of the screens (NET WIDTH, not including bezel) i think both screens have the same width. the fact that the N1 is taller makes it look narrower.
Try it out with both screens turned on and you will see.
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actually if you put the two phone over each other and not side by side and compare of the width of the screens (NET WIDTH, not including bezel) i think both screens have the same width. the fact that the N1 is taller makes it look narrower.
Try it out with both screens turned on and you will see.
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Actually I pulled out the old tape measure and the iPhone screen is definitely wider. Surprising I know, and it was just me and my buddy with the iPhone so I came here to complain because I didn't want him to think his phone had anything on my phone, not even for 1 second. Pretty petty of me but I can't help it , I love android!
I really don't know why people find it so difficult to type on the stock android keyboard. I've been using it for a while now - admittedly it took a few days to get used to typing on it, coming from an iPhone and Hero background, but still, I find typing on it a breeze! Even more so with Smart Keyboard Pro!
another vote for swype. i will never two-hand type again. i wish i could swype on my laptop
I think that HTC put the speech to text in the because they new the keyboard wasn't all that great!
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I think that HTC put the speech to text in the because they new the keyboard wasn't all that great!
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Google put in the speech to text with the Android keyboard - not HTC. HTC's IME (keyboard) does not have a button for speech to text AFAIK.
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I love my HTC Dream but i am just curious if there is a new phone that is better than this with a physical keyboard.
(Edit: I assume you are in the US or Canada)
Right now the closest we have is the Droid.
I would own it, but it is on Verizon.
That the best selling Android phone is a slider should tell the manufacturers something, but they seem to be stuck on the iPhone clone form factor for some reason.
the imbrics M1 looks pretty promising, it comes out in a few weeks/months and looks pretty sleek. Google it and see if you like
Edit: Here are some pictures and a video. That is an old article though, it is getting a snapdragon 1ghz and android 2.1, but it is not coming with 3g bands(yet, as no carriers have adopted it)
Looks OK-ish, too bad the keyboard on it is retarded. The keys aren't supposed to be lined up in a grid like that. The ASDF row is supposed to be offset by a half key to the right of the QWER row, and the ZXCV row is supposed to be offset by a half key to the right of the ASDF row. Instead, this stupid layout places them in a hard-to-find-what-you-want grid.
Unless they re-make/model the G1 itself....
there will never be another keyboard build as sturdy as the G1,
I wish they would though...release a real G2 (not a mytouch)
but a real G2, same as the g1 with better hardware and same great keyboard
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Unless they re-make/model the G1 itself....
there will never be another keyboard build as sturdy as the G1,
I wish they would though...release a real G2 (not a mytouch)
but a real G2, same as the g1 with better hardware and same great keyboard
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What are you talking about?
There was never a "G1". There is only DREAM.
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Unless they re-make/model the G1 itself....
there will never be another keyboard build as sturdy as the G1,
I wish they would though...release a real G2 (not a mytouch)
but a real G2, same as the g1 with better hardware and same great keyboard
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And if we want to get technical there WAS a G2, the HTC Hero
So what you want is a more powerful "G1", NOT a G2
My wishlist:
All of the standard Android features plus:
Easily rootable
1 Ghz Snapdragon or better
at least 512 MB ram
at least 512 MB rom
FWVGA 3.7" AMOLED or better
raised 5 row keyboard with dead space and keys shifted properly (exactly like the G1 is great)
3.5" stereo jack
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All of the standard Android features plus:
Easily rootable
1 Ghz Snapdragon or better
at least 512 MB ram
at least 512 MB rom
FWVGA 3.7" AMOLED or better
raised 5 row keyboard with dead space and keys shifted properly (exactly like the G1 is great)
3.5" stereo jack
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And just because we can, HDMI Output
JAguirre1231 said:
And just because we can, HDMI Output
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And a hover function so I can ride it to the pub.
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And a hover function so I can ride it to the pub.
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Only good if it comes with a larger battery. I want 10900mAh in that battery.
There's the newest Samsung offering that has a keyboard and the Nexus One Pro...
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The mytouch slide w/ espresso ui...
look here for upcoming phones..
http://pdadb.net/
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There's the newest Samsung offering that has a keyboard and the Nexus One Pro...
:rool::
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Any rumors on release date for the Nexus One Pro?
The Galaxy S Pro looks quite nice... It only misses on the resolution (WVGA vs FWVGA), ram (256MB vs 512MB), and judging from the supported spectrum, it looks to be targeted at AT&T (the evil Android gimpers.)
I don't know what you guys are talking about, the G1 keyboard was ass. That was the only thing that was actually worse coming from my old Blackberry was the keyboard.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, the G1 keyboard was ass. That was the only thing that was actually worse coming from my old Blackberry was the keyboard.
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You must have different fingers to everyone else.. The Blackberry keyboard is usually cited as its worst feature. It takes me 10 minutes to write my name on that horrible little cramped mess.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, the G1 keyboard was ass. That was the only thing that was actually worse coming from my old Blackberry was the keyboard.
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Since "my old Blackberry" matches quite a few different devices, I am just going to mentally mark your post as trolling and ignore you.
Feel free to amend your statement at any time (you can edit it, or post a new post, your choice) to bring your post out of troll status and I would be glad to respond.
With that said, I wouldn't have minded seeing one keyboard improvement on the G1. I would like the keys to be raised just a bit more. I wouldn't change the layout, spacing, dead space, or anything else though.
Anyone else have some *constructive* things to say?
Bad:
G1 Suxxors! Keyboard is ****e!
Good:
I don't like the keyboard's dead space, it should have been spaced just a bit further apart. Also, I don't like the placement of Alt key taking up two spots.
Phandroid poll shows 85% of those polled would rather have a physical keyboard:
http://polldaddy.com/poll/2983680/?view=results
So far we have 2 phones that are released (Cliq and Droid) and two phones that are unreleased (galaxy s pro, and nexus pro) any others?
Mytouch slide... I am disappointed.
4 row keyboard... So the numbers are overlaid onto the top row - FAIL
600 Mhz Processor - FAIL
3.5" Screen - FAIL
512 MB Ram - WIN
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/04/19/t_mobile_mytouch_3g_slide_details_revealed
This link says it best:
"The only feature missing from the 2.1 included with the new Slide is "live wallpapers," interactive backgrounds that can be found on high-end devices such as the Nexus One and HTC Incredible."
So "no high end device for you!" "We only make high end iClones."
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Mytouch slide... I am disappointed.
4 row keyboard... So the numbers are overlaid onto the top row - FAIL
600 Mhz Processor - FAIL
3.5" Screen - FAIL
512 MB Ram - WIN
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/04/19/t_mobile_mytouch_3g_slide_details_revealed
This link says it best:
"The only feature missing from the 2.1 included with the new Slide is "live wallpapers," interactive backgrounds that can be found on high-end devices such as the Nexus One and HTC Incredible."
So "no high end device for you!" "We only make high end iClones."
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You're disappointed before even giving the phone a chance. I've played with and/or had many different types of "high-end" devices and to me the G1 keyboard is by far one of the best for fast emailing/texting. Yes the keys could be raised a TID more but this doesn't hold it back in my eyes. I came from a Blackberry 8320 to the G1 at launch and never looked back. I thought I was fast with the Blackberry but couldn't even stand using the Bold 9700 keyboard for 10 minutes since owning the G1 . Unless of course you do enjoy texting with the tip of your finger/fingernails.
Having said that. The myTouch Slide actually has a tremendous feeling keyboard. I LOVE my G1 keep in mind and after just 10 minutes with the Slide I was ready to get mine before the launch .
Those specs truly do not speak well for this phone as something has been cooked up in that ROM to really make the phone just zip. I was stunned.
I've been an iPhone user since the very first one and i enjoyed the experience a lot.
About 2 weeks ago I switched to Android in the face of the Nexus One. Fiddled with it a bit, rooted, CM, now froyo etc. I really really like the Android. It has got its flaws, but boy does it deliver.
The hardware though, i am not really sure about. iPhone 3GS feels a lot more responsive. I can type twice as fast. Touch screen on Nexus just plain sucks. OLED is really nice, but what good is it if i cant use it properly.
It really bugs me. iPhone just looks like an old phone compared to Nexus, but the screen responsiveness drives me nuts. Its ok, i CAN type, but the experience is just so much better on the older iPhone.
Obvious specs are amazing, but the devil is in the details. And in the details it doesnt look like Google partners can deliver solid hardware to match solid software.
welcome to technology
the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition. and more then likely another android phone perhaps the new string of droids will utterly surpass the new iphone, and the cycle will continue. No piece of tech is top dog forever, and at the speed that android is moving im surprised the nexus one still beats the increadible and evo in most fields. when it comes down to it, all that matters is which you are happier with, if the only thing pulling you to the iphone is the touch screen you will have to weight it and see how much it means to you
I can only type as fast as my fingers will go, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Re: Screen: Nexus vs iPhone
I have the same feeling. The only thing bad about the nexus one is actually the screen. Everything else is great.
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welcome to technology
the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition. and more then likely another android phone perhaps the new string of droids will utterly surpass the new iphone, and the cycle will continue. No piece of tech is top dog forever, and at the speed that android is moving im surprised the nexus one still beats the increadible and evo in most fields. when it comes down to it, all that matters is which you are happier with, if the only thing pulling you to the iphone is the touch screen you will have to weight it and see how much it means to you
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Absolutely But its just what reaver said.....
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I have the same feeling. The only thing bad about the nexus one is actually the screen. Everything else is great.
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You interact with the phone via display. And nexus is just sooooo freakin good, but got this majot flaw
Major Flaw?
So over the top.
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I can only type as fast as my fingers will go, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Use dictionary a lot? I type mostly in russian, and that doesnt have any custom dictionaries.
Take a gander at this: pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/iphone-keyboard-secrets/ (stick http whatever whatever in front)
Specifically this part:
* Although you don’t see it with your eyes, the sizes of the keys on the iPhone keyboard are changing all the time. That is, the software enlarges the “landing area” of certain keys, based on probability.
For example, supposed you type “tim.” Now, the iPhone knows that no word in the language begins timw or timr—and so, invisibly, it enlarges the “landing area” of the E key, which greatly diminishes your chances of making a typo on that last letter. Very cool.
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This is why the iphone keyboard is so "accurate" that people can type fast on it. For functionality like this on your N1 try downloading the app ThickButtons from the market.
But yes, I agree that the screen on the N1 can be more responsive Froyo made a lot of things better, but screen responsiveness was not one of them. I find myself tapping the same button twice more often and Swype registering a tap when it should be registering me holding down a letter. But I'm not worried since what I have is just a test version.
I've found that the auto-correct and prediction on the stock android keyboard much much better than the iPhone 3gs's so while the screen on my nexus may not be as responsive (I've not noticed) I type much faster on my N1.
Yeah, I would recommend trying a few different keyboards in the market. It isn't the screen responsiveness that is holding you back, it is the keyboard. I don't believe the stock keyboard even supports multitouch, while a few in the market do. So if you are typing fast, it can confuse the keyboard when both your fingers are touching.
What about Swype? I hear that's supposed to be a nice input method.
welcome to technology
the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition.
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WTF are you talking about? He is comparing it to an iphone 3GS. That is almost a year old.
I switched from an iphone 3G which is nearly two years old and also noticed it was much better at detecting proper key presses and felt smoother when scrolling between home screens.
The home screen thing seems much improved with froyo and ADW Launcher, but the keyboard still seems crappy. I'm using the swype beta now and that is pretty good. It does suck to go back to a 2 year old phone and feel it is more responsive.
I will say though that things like launching apps and surfing the web are soooooo much better on my nexus one.
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WTF are you talking about? He is comparing it to an iphone 3GS. That is almost a year old.
I switched from an iphone 3G which is nearly two years old and also noticed it was much better at detecting proper key presses and felt smoother when scrolling between home screens.
The home screen thing seems much improved with froyo and ADW Launcher, but the keyboard still seems crappy. I'm using the swype beta now and that is pretty good. It does suck to go back to a 2 year old phone and feel it is more responsive.
I will say though that things like launching apps and surfing the web are soooooo much better on my nexus one.
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I was assuming that if he were to go back to apple it would have been a iphone 4, so i was retroactively comparing the iphone 4 to the nexus one, even though he is used to the 3gs
Yes.. the Synaptics ClearPad 2000 hardware is somewhat crappy. HTC was foolish to use it, but it works fine for my uses. Plus I would take my Android with FroYo on a phone that looks as sexy as my N1 anyday.
And in the future, HTC is going to use Synaptics Clearpad 3000 hardware, which according to reviews and videos, is AMAZING.
While we're nit-picking, I notice I get a bit of dust in the battery compartment - something I've never encountered with my girlfriend's iPhone 3G.
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While we're nit-picking, I notice I get a bit of dust in the battery compartment - something I've never encountered with my girlfriend's iPhone 3G.
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yeah i know and all these extra buttons on the phone make it easier to accidentally hit something, never had that problem on my old one button iphone 2g.
Blueman101 said:
yeah i know and all these extra buttons on the phone make it easier to accidentally hit something, never had that problem on my old one button iphone 2g.
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And I hear there is pretty significant battery drain if you are viewing Desktop versions of websites featuring a lot of Flash content while you're playing music off of the expandable SD card while also using Google Maps to navigate in between checking news and weather using another application....
Google really needs to get their act together.
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And I hear there is pretty significant battery drain if you are viewing Desktop versions of websites featuring a lot of Flash content while you're playing music off of the expandable SD card while also using Google Maps to navigate in between checking news and weather using another application....
Google really needs to get their act together.
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And these damn desktop screens. All these widgets and applications make is so damn cluttered it might as well be my closet.
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And these damn desktop screens. All these widgets and applications make is so damn cluttered it might as well be my closet.
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And why the hell would I want to be able to customize my background?
Life would be so much easier if I didn't have these options.
Jeez all these options make me want to sell the damn Nexus, i don't want choice, wich iphone shall i buy a 16Gb/32Gb/64Gb? Or shall i wait for the iPhone 4? Pff to much options at the Applecamp i think i stay, my brain hurts cause i think to much
Did anyone else get a chance to play around with the captivate since it's release yesterday? I thought it felt a bit long in my hands (guess I'm too used to candy bar phones) and the touchwiz 3.0 UI seems a bit slow compared to my rooted Aria The speed seemed okay for a 1000 mHz hummingbird but the AMOLED screen looked nice and bright (which phone doesn't, nowadays?) I didn't like how it vibrates whenever you type something compared to when the Aria vibrates while typing....it felt weird, haha.
Your thoughts on AT&T's newest addition to it's Android deck?
Maybe I'm just so in love with my Aria that nothing can replace it
Oh yeah, the power/lock button is on the right side which I think is whacksauce
i have been like camping in the att store going in between the two
technically, the captivate is better
but the aria is so frakin fast that i dont think you will notice that its 400mhz slower for another year at least
i think the aria keyboard is a bit smaller, but still not too hard to type on.
really it comes down to the dev's and future android os releases
no i just have to decide which to get....
does the aria really shatter from a 2-3 foot fall?
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does the aria really shatter from a 2-3 foot fall?
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No, I dropped mine from about 4 feet up, and aside from the back cover and battery coming apart the phone itself was rock solid. Didn't even scratch the screen.
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No, I dropped mine from about 4 feet up, and aside from the back cover and battery coming apart the phone itself was rock solid. Didn't even scratch the screen.
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i Dropped mine while i was talking on it so from like 5 feet and its fine no scratches either
ok thats good to know
any pressing arguments in favor of the aria? cuz i think im leaning toward the captivate
It's very snappy and quick, it's pocket-sized, it has an optical trackpad, it currently has more ROMs available and even a Froyo ROM in beta just waiting to be ported =]
You really gotta play with it to choose.
I checked them both out, it's a tough call.
The aria is actually a little snappier than the Captivate, but the Captivate's speed advantage will probably show with apps.
The Aria seems a little better in build quality, (but not much).
If you want a multimedia device (primarily) and don't mind the modern trend towards talking into large devices, get the Captivate.
If you like smaller phones (and/or want to save some money) get the Aria.
the advantage over the captivate is the future 3D gaming potential of it.
as far as overall speed of apps and such the aria is just as fast as the captivate, because the aria doesn't need a 1ghz cortex a8.
you'll want to keep in mind that the captivate has 16gb of internal storage(2gb of which you can install apps to currently with the 2.1 stock rom.) and you can add 32gb of sd storage. they are both capable of wireless N, although the aria doesnt support 5ghz. the captivate supports 720p recording and bluetooth 3.0
the aria has a trackpad and the arias smaller yet its not that much of a difference. you can still play games on the aria. the power buttons on the top of the phone. lol
other then that it just comes down to if you personally want a bigger screen/bigger phone, or if you are okay with the screen size of the aria. the aria is a great phone and perfect for the size of it, yet so is the captivate. its all your personal preference.
as far as rom development goes currently the aria has an advantage over the captivate due to it being easier to port roms and we're working on building some but it may change.
also the last thing you'll want to remember is price.
My wife dropped hers from her lap exiting the vehicle and it came out with flying colors. Sturdy little machine.
the captivate has amazing gpu preformance
but the aria is pretty good too, it has the same gpu as the big shiny evo right?
im just trying to decide which way to go with the screen size
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My wife dropped hers from her lap exiting the vehicle and it came out with flying colors. Sturdy little machine.
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I prefer the more "rugged" matte backing of the aria versus the shiny smooth backplate of the captivate, but it does have a bit of a grip area so it's not to too smooth.
I'd say just hold out if you're having trouble deciding.. until AT&T releases an Android that you shouldn't have to compare with a mid-level Aria, but that's just my .02. I was constantly going back and forth between the two myself, but after toying with the captivate I've made my decision....the Aria is way cuter
Either way, we'll both have 2.2
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well at most only only "holding out" for a couple more weeks and i dont think they have anymore androids coming out in that time
they are both great phones, but idk if i can manuver the captivate with one hand, and typing on the aria mildly annoys me sometimes
Analysis Paralysis! Your best bet is to step away and give yourself a break from it for a day or two. Either way I bet you will be happy.
Personally, I don't like the software that the Captivate comes with looks a little "iphoneish" for my taste, and you really can't touch Sense UI
Kagoshema said:
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Have you tried swyping on the Aria?
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Have you tried swyping on the Aria?
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Sometimes it annoys me too when I'm swyping with one hand and it keeps inputting the wrong words
I usually use portrait mode but a slightly wider keyboard would be better
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Sometimes it annoys me too when I'm swyping with one hand and it keeps inputting the wrong words
I usually use portrait mode but a slightly wider keyboard would be better
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I dont usually swype with one hand, but I can
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Analysis Paralysis! Your best bet is to step away and give yourself a break from it for a day or two. Either way I bet you will be happy.
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your probably totally right, ill do that
@djameson
i tried out the captiavate with launcher pro and it works pretty good
but you still cant beat sense
I am wondering about the screen difference. Isn't AMOLED better?
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I am wondering about the screen difference. Isn't AMOLED better?
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yup
but in the case of the captivate its also a really big screen, so the whole phone overall is pretty big
I've had the phone over a week now and I'd like to give my insight as to what I love and what I dislike in comparison with the Nexus.
Just a few sentences.
First off about me: I'm a big texter, I use Twitter, Facebook, IM and general browsing the most, as well as listening to a lot of podcasts and music. SO here are my impressions taking this into account.
The screen: it is hard to fully express how much nicer this feels than the Nexus screen, but suffice to say whites are whiter, colours seem truer and tactile response is noticeably improved. The screen feels more close to your finger somehow...it's hard to put into words. Visibility in sunlight is noticeably better - not quite as visible as iPhone but perfectly acceptable.
Build quality of i9000 is not on a par with the Nexus in terms of its chassis, which seemingly uses cheaper plastics compared to the Nexus' metal architecture. I was still fairly happy with the Samsung's build quality at first but subsequently noticed little microscopic scuffs appearing on the battery cover and a little dink on the bezel. I swear I have only had the phone in my pocket and haven't been throwing it around. Although it isn't exactly in bad condition now I still resent the fact that after only TEN DAYS of careful use and pocket-placement I am already able to detect small signs of wear. On the other hand the screen on the i9000 looks to be of higher build quality - it is made from Gorilla Glass and to look at doesn't seem susceptible to dust contamination as the relatively highly-mounted Nexus digitizer.
The loudpeaker is important to me, and the Nexus had a crappy, hissy loudspeaker. Thankfully the Samsung i9000 speaker is more powerful with richer dynamics and less hiss. It is on a par with the iPhone 3G, if not slightly better as it seems a bit louder...great for listening to podcasts.
Camera.
Like-for-like testing of the Nexus and Galaxy in daylight shows what appear to be richer and sharper pictures on the Samsung. I suspect (judging by their use of rubbish loudspeaker components) that HTC use pretty bog-standard camera optics; and although the Nexus is pretty good most people would favour the Samsung shots under default conditions. The Nexus wins at dim-to-low-light shots though just because it has a flash and is therefore usable in more varied conditions. Video capture on the i9000 is just leagues ahead of the Nexus which not only records at a lower resolution but also produces muddier images with dreadfully low-quality audio. The Samsung also offers a consistent framerate of 30fps and handles low lighting really quite admirably compared with the Nexus.
UI
Since the i9000 only has Eclair there are a few notable missing features found only in Froyo. Despite this the Galaxy still outperforms the Nexus in all the Benchmarking tests I've seen. I haven't performed any benchmarks myself but a side-by-side comparison of both devices (Nexus with Cyanogenmod 6.0 RC) shows noticeably smoother scrolling on the Galaxy S in all apps, including the browser. There are some nice extras too: like quick access to WIFI, Bluetooth, Silent switch and Vibration mode from within the notifications bar. I also like the fact that you can change to different fonts on the i9000 across the whole UI. This gives the OS a slightly different feel which is nice.
Input -
This really fails the Galaxy S i9000. I've really come to realise how much I miss having some form of trackball with the Galaxy S.
On the face of it things seem fine; in fact RAW TEXTING on the i9000 is a lot more pleasurable than on the Nexus not only because of the greater screen real-estate but also because the screen itself is more responsive....but the caveat is that lack of a trackball or optical trackpad...
There is no reason why Samsung couldn't have included an optical button (as seen on the Omnia among other Sammy phones) to facilitate text selection. Judging by the iOS-inspired Touchwiz 3.0 it SEEMS that Samsung want some of the minimalism of the iPhone hardware and UI but what they have failed to notice is that the iPhone uses a long-press magnifying glass feature across the ENTIRE OS which allows for VERY EASY text selection, copying and pasting. Android, and Touchwiz does NOT include such a facility - just a half-hearted cursor pad in the default keyboard which is obtained by long-pressing the numeric button. This facility is clunky at best, useless at worst, since it necessitates using only the Samsung default keyboard if you wish to do any cursor movement, or irritatingly swapping from your preferred keyboard (such as my favoured Droid X IME) back to the default keyboard, then back to the preferred keyboard again. I've found myself having to do this a few times as it is often practically IMPOSSIBLE to select a passage or move the cursor to the exact right place without a d-pad or trackball. This really is a major failing for me and completely ruins things.
*EDIT* i've found that swiping from the Swype to the Sym key in Swype opens up a cursor system. I've tried to get along with Swype and haven't succeded so far but i'll give it a try again .
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Owing to the great speaker, listening to podcasts on the i9000 is a pleasure. Music also sounds acceptable. The music control panel which shows up in the notifications bar when you are playing tracks is also genuinely useful.
One of the i9000's main selling points is not only its ability to record HD video but also to PLAY it. I've tested it with about twenty 720p clips from Youtube, and a number of 720p WMV files and it hasn't skipped a beat. Genuinely wonderful smoothness of playback. I haven't found a video of 720p or less that it wouldn't play as yet, although the BBC iPlayer downloads from Myplayer played without sound and necessitated Rockplayer.
Anyway I'm running out of steam now....but to conclude: I'm getting rid of the Galaxy S: it's a combination of overall build durability and a lack of nice, simple hardware features like a trackball and notification light that make me think that there will be something better along for me soon. I really like the phone and find it a joy to use but the few annoyances have spoilt it for me sadly.
If anyone near the midlands, UK wishes to buy an unlocked, unbranded Galaxy S with unopened accessories for a £290 before it goes on eBay then drop me a line.
Any other questions I will be happy to answer.
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simple hardware features like a trackball and notification light
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Not to be an ass, but if you knew you wanted those features, then why did you get it? It's obvious from any picture of a SGS that it doesn't have a trackball. And early reports from this forum would have informed you that it doesn't have notification lights...
Of course one does have to wonder why Samsung didn't go all out. How hard would it have been to add camera flash among those other things you listed.
You might be interested in the Desire HD that's rumored to be coming out sometime soon.
Leoni,
I know you're not exactly in love with the swype keyboard yet, but I think you'll love it fiercely once you get into it. You know how I hated swype in the past, I think, because of my fierce liking for Tengo. But even I can like swype keyboard, and like it a lot.
The copy/cut and paste being poorly designed as compared to iPhone will be something that we had to put up with, no matter which Android phone we switch to. Granted at HTC has the iPhone-like copy and paste facility, but that's not available uniformly across the system and across all applications. So, I reckon there isn't much effective difference across different android phones in this regards. I know the lack of trackball makes text selection difficult, but not impossible I believe. But with or without trackball, the design are all bad. Perhaps a future firmware could redo cut and paste from the ground up again and get it right.
Overall, when I read your comparison, I thought it was overwhelmingly positive towards SGS, a lot more then Nexus. It was the conclusion which took me by surprise.
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Not to be an ass, but if you knew you wanted those features, then why did you get it? It's obvious from any picture of a SGS that it doesn't have a trackball. And early reports from this forum would have informed you that it doesn't have notification lights...
Of course one does have to wonder why Samsung didn't go all out. How hard would it have been to add camera flash among those other things you listed.
You might be interested in the Desire HD that's rumored to be coming out sometime soon.
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It's not so much a lack of trackball that's the problem so much as a complete lack of innovation with respect to compensating for the lack of a trackball. Ironically HTC sense implements a good system very similar to (perhaps even BETTER than) the iPhone's magnified system within the Desire browser, yet the Desire requires such a system far LESS than the i9000 owing to its optical trackball.
Text selection on the N1 is very easy in the browser: click in the trackball, move the arrow cursor click again to highlight. It's such a pity that Samsung didn't devote a little more time to core features that make the user experience more friendly and enjoyable rather than making those ugly widgets and pointless add-on apps.
Dont get me wrong I do really like the phone but it just feels too proprietary, too unfinished and too lacking in development support compared to.the N1, despite its many nice features.
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Not to be an ass, but if you knew you wanted those features, then why did you get it? It's obvious from any picture of a SGS that it doesn't have a trackball. And early reports from this forum would have informed you that it doesn't have notification lights...
Of course one does have to wonder why Samsung didn't go all out. How hard would it have been to add camera flash among those other things you listed.
You might be interested in the Desire HD that's rumored to be coming out sometime soon.
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I also switched from Nexus One to Galaxy S, and didn't realize how much I'd used the trackball until it was gone. Same with the camera flash led. I knew they weren't on the SGS, but didn't think I'd miss them. I definitely do. Unlike the original poster, they're not deal-breakers for me, but throw in those two oversights and the plastic back/frame and I feel like the SGS, which had the potential to be the PERFECT phone for the next several months at least, can't claim that title clearly. I'm not getting rid of mine, though. I love Swype (Shapewriter even more) and can deal with the lack of easy text selection.
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I also switched from Nexus One to Galaxy S, and didn't realize how much I'd used the trackball until it was gone. Same with the camera flash led. I knew they weren't on the SGS, but didn't think I'd miss them. I definitely do. Unlike the original poster, they're not deal-breakers for me, but throw in those two oversights and the plastic back/frame and I feel like the SGS, which had the potential to be the PERFECT phone for the next several months at least, can't claim that title clearly. I'm not getting rid of mine, though. I love Swype (Shapewriter even more) and can deal with the lack of easy text selection.
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I've already sold my Nexus. I have a 32gb iPhone which Apple have fixed for me after I left it faulty and unused for months so Im thinking of going back until something new comes along. I got the Galaxy on upgrade and suspect (as with all samsung phones) that its value will plummet very rapidly so i'm going to sell it while I can still get a reasonable price on it. Maybe I'll buy the Droid x, maybe the iPhone 4....maybe the Desire HD....either way I'm selling the Galaxy S before it gets any tattier.
I agree with the points of the OP, I'm in the same situation, coming from a Nexus One to the Galaxy S. I'm coming to a different conclusion though: I'm keeping the Galaxy S. I find the cell signal/reception to be significantly better, pretty outstanding actually. Also, it just feels much faster in terms of data both via 3G and Wifi.
It's still early, the Nexus One has had a lot of time to mature. I believe the ROMs along with the upcoming 2.2 will give the Galaxy S the polish it needs. As for the casing, well, the material will certainly scuff faster but I'm not really feeling the back plastic is too cheap-- it feels just like my old iPhone 3G, which no one accused of feeling cheap.
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The loudpeaker is important to me, and the Nexus had a crappy, hissy loudspeaker. Thankfully the Samsung i9000 speaker is more powerful with richer dynamics and less hiss. It is on a par with the iPhone 3G, if not slightly better as it seems a bit louder...great for listening to podcasts.
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This really fails the Galaxy S i9000. I've really come to realise how much I miss having some form of trackball with the Galaxy S.
This facility is clunky at best, useless at worst, since it necessitates using only the Samsung default keyboard if you wish to do any cursor movement, or irritatingly swapping from your preferred keyboard (such as my favoured Droid X IME) back to the default keyboard, then back to the preferred keyboard again. I've found myself having to do this a few times as it is often practically IMPOSSIBLE to select a passage or move the cursor to the exact right place without a d-pad or trackball. This really is a major failing for me and completely ruins things.
*EDIT* i've found that swiping from the Swype to the Sym key in Swype opens up a cursor system. I've tried to get along with Swype and haven't succeded so far but i'll give it a try again .
Anyway I'm running out of steam now....but to conclude: I'm getting rid of the Galaxy S: it's a combination of overall build durability and a lack of nice, simple hardware features like a trackball and notification light that make me think that there will be something better along for me soon. I really like the phone and find it a joy to use but the few annoyances have spoilt it for me sadly.
If anyone near the midlands, UK wishes to buy an unlocked, unbranded Galaxy S with unopened accessories for a £290 before it goes on eBay then drop me a line.
Any other questions I will be happy to answer.
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The ending was a surprise to me, but to each there own.
From all comparisons I've read, this has a better speaker than the iPhone 3G (not sure about anything beyond that), the iPhone 3G didn't even have as good a speaker as the iPod Touch 2.
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"This facility is clunky at best, useless at worst, since it necessitates using only the Samsung default keyboard if you wish to do any cursor movement, or irritatingly swapping from your preferred keyboard (such as my favoured Droid X IME) back to the default keyboard, then back to the preferred keyboard again. "
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I am either misunderstanding or you have it wrong, I use SwiftKey and I can select text, and select text very well. The screen is so accurate and I don't have to do much. Wherever my cursor is it will start there, so if I'm not where I need to be I move the cursor there which typically takes one touch, then I select my ending point which again I get right more often than not. Where I'll agree with you though is in apps, I read engadget and God is there touch accuracy off in that app for whatever reason. I have to literally be a cm away from the location I want and maybe above/below where I want. Typically I just settle for retyping extra...a trackball here would be marvelous.
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I also switched from Nexus One to Galaxy S, and didn't realize how much I'd used the trackball until it was gone. Same with the camera flash led. I knew they weren't on the SGS, but didn't think I'd miss them. I definitely do. Unlike the original poster, they're not deal-breakers for me, but throw in those two oversights and the plastic back/frame and I feel like the SGS, which had the potential to be the PERFECT phone for the next several months at least, can't claim that title clearly. I'm not getting rid of mine, though. I love Swype (Shapewriter even more) and can deal with the lack of easy text selection.
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tenshi888 said:
I agree with the points of the OP, I'm in the same situation, coming from a Nexus One to the Galaxy S. I'm coming to a different conclusion though: I'm keeping the Galaxy S. I find the cell signal/reception to be significantly better, pretty outstanding actually. Also, it just feels much faster in terms of data both via 3G and Wifi.
It's still early, the Nexus One has had a lot of time to mature. I believe the ROMs along with the upcoming 2.2 will give the Galaxy S the polish it needs. As for the casing, well, the material will certainly scuff faster but I'm not really feeling the back plastic is too cheap-- it feels just like my old iPhone 3G, which no one accused of feeling cheap.
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I was thinking of getting an N1 in addition to my Galaxy S. I'm in Korea and the N1 has been available for about a month, I got my Galaxy S about 3 weeks ago when they first came out. Now they are moving to unlimited data and free tethering so I was thinking about going with 2 devices. Samsung Hub just reported that FroYo is coming to Korea in about 2 weeks though, which takes some of the steam out of me wanting the N1.
What do you 2 think? Would you get the N1 unlocked, without a plan? I was 67% going to get it when I heard the data plans, then now it's flipped to 33% now that I heard FroYo...what to do?
Good balanced review, though I am surprised at the conclusion
The SGS certainly has some annoyances compared to my old N1+Froyo, however I'm confident the SGS firmwares will improve on this great hardware.
For me, camera flash = consistently rubbish looking photos; I don't miss visual notifications because the SGS is in my pocket and its more important the phone be loud; Cut-and-Paste - yes a little easier using the N1 trackball but I seem to rarely want to do c'n'p except to share a URL or whatever; Positioning the cursor was definitely easier using a trackball but I'm a big fan of Swype and I use the cursor positioning so rarely that it's not a big deal for me to use the Swype cursor keys. The iPhone definitely has the superior c'n'p implementation, but for a function I use so infrequently I don't miss it that much (before the N1, I was on a iPhone 3G).
For me the trackball/cursor issue ismt just about being able to cut copy and paste, its about being able to get the cursor back where it was supposed to be if it happens to move! And it seems to happen to me a lot
just so you can see my point, try typing out a sentence here on these forums within the browser then move the cursor slightly....see how efficiently you can put the cursor back where it should be
I can see where Leoni is coming from and why his decision makes sense though. With iPhone 4, Droid X, and Desire HD in the horizon, it does make sense. Leoni has experienced just about every phones available. The only thing i wonder is if he's leaving enough money for his retirement.
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I can see where Leoni is coming from and why his decision makes sense though. With iPhone 4, Droid X, and Desire HD in the horizon, it does make sense. Leoni has experienced just about every phones available. The only thing i wonder is if he's leaving enough money for his retirement.
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EDIT**** The trackball-less system strikes again
I don't know what you mean Eaglesteve: in the last year i've only owned an iphone 3G, T-Mobile G1, Sony Ericsson C905. HTC Magic, iPhone 3Gs, HTC Hero, HTC HD2, Motorola Dext, Samsung Galaxy, Samsung Omnia 2, Google Nexus One, HTC Desire and a Samsung Galaxy S....
;-)
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I don't know what you mean Eaglesteve: in the last year i've only owned an iphone 3G, sony Ericsson C905.
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Is that right? I thought you had an HD2 and HTC desire as well, no? What about Nexus one? BTW, why did you get an iPhone 3G instead if 3GS last year?
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Is that right? I thought you had an HD2 and HTC desire as well, no? What about Nexus one? BTW, why did you get an iPhone 3G instead if 3GS last year?
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See my revised post. Ironically the cursor decided to move and in the process of trying to get it back in place I hit 'submit Reply'. Can you see why I am getting annoyed with this phone now??
Yes I KNOW there is the XDA app 'brought to me by Tapatalk' but I just don't blinking LIKE it....
OMG...I know you've tried many phones but not in my wildest dream that many, hahaha.
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OMG...I know you've tried many phones but not in my wildest dream that many, hahaha.
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I forgot to mention the Nokia 5800 and the cheap N95 I picked up.
One or two devices barely saw a week's usage!
I still like the iPhone for pure 'appliance' slickness and have loads of iPhone docks and external battery add-ons; sadly I despise Apple's closed ecosystem. I may yet change my mind about the Galaxy S - I'm just particularly irritated with it this morning.
miker71 said:
Good balanced review, though I am surprised at the conclusion
The SGS certainly has some annoyances compared to my old N1+Froyo, however I'm confident the SGS firmwares will improve on this great hardware.
For me, camera flash = consistently rubbish looking photos; I don't miss visual notifications because the SGS is in my pocket and its more important the phone be loud; Cut-and-Paste - yes a little easier using the N1 trackball but I seem to rarely want to do c'n'p except to share a URL or whatever; Positioning the cursor was definitely easier using a trackball but I'm a big fan of Swype and I use the cursor positioning so rarely that it's not a big deal for me to use the Swype cursor keys. The iPhone definitely has the superior c'n'p implementation, but for a function I use so infrequently I don't miss it that much (before the N1, I was on a iPhone 3G).
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I think that the soft d-pad of the Galaxy works suprisingly good when it comes to text selection. It is triggered by default in the newest firmware (don't believe it is triggered in the older firmware).
Anyway one can manually trigger the soft d-pad by holding down the "?123" button on the standard samsung keyboard. Very nice feature....
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I think that the soft d-pad of the Galaxy works suprisingly good when it comes to text selection. It is triggered by default in the newest firmware (don't believe it is triggered in the older firmware).
Anyway one can manually trigger the soft d-pad by holding down the "?123" button on the standard samsung keyboard. Very nice feature....
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But that necessitates using the default keyboard and despite trying to like it for four days straight I just found it very unlikeable
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But that necessitates using the default keyboard and despite trying to like it for four days straight I just found it very unlikeable
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I think it all depends on the device you are comming from. I come from a HTC HD2 and the keyboard is a relief for me. (due mostly to the better cap. touchscreen of samsung)
It's good to have device by device comparisons. But I think one always have to take into perspective the platform or device one particular person is comming from. For a HD2 user the nexus maybe worse than the galaxy. For a nokia user maybe not. Persons are historically situated
I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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No, quite the opposite actually. Ive used touchscreens from every iphone, samsungs GS phones, and now the atrix. It is, at the very least, on par with the afformentioned phones. Perhaps slightly more responsive than some.
The digitizer is the same piece of hardware as the galaxy phones as well as the iPhone I believe so the inaccuracy comes down to the software. More specifically, the motorola keyboard isn't that great. Try downloading smart keyboard pro (there's a trial version) and using an iPhone or HTC skin and see how you fare. I find it to be much more accurate and better at correcting mistakes, similar to the iPhone's keyboard.
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I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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dinan said:
The digitizer is the same piece of hardware as the galaxy phones as well as the iPhone I believe so the inaccuracy comes down to the software. More specifically, the motorola keyboard isn't that great. Try downloading smart keyboard pro (there's a trial version) and using an iPhone or HTC skin and see how you fare. I find it to be much more accurate and better at correcting mistakes, similar to the iPhone's keyboard.
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I also love the fact you have the option of allowing or disallowing the keyboard to auto correct for you.
http://damnyouautocorrect.com/
Well I'm not sure why I seem to be missing more keys on atrix but its frustrating ...right now using GB kybd ...someone had posted how its possible to resize this KB in the settings butthat option is greyed out for me...would love someone to tell me why they think soso
I think auto correct helps me more tthat it hurts me, but obviously its a win some lose some I immagine
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I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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I just bought my Atrix a few days ago, coming from an iPhone 3GS, and the first thing I noticed was that the Atrix keyboard is more responsive, and I fudge what I am typing much less than with the iPhone. All in all, since rooting, and setting up the Atrix how I want it, I have to say that I think it is a much better phone than the iPhone in every respect other than the current issue with speed, which hopefully is all AT&T, and not hardware related.
I agree with the originally poster. While the entire touch screen digitizer may be MORE RESPONSIVE and SENSITIVE, it is NOT more ACCURATE. I can type much more accurately on any 3X or 4X iPhone than on any Android phone. I don't really know if you can beat Apple when it comes to this. They make the hardware and the software so they have complete control...
I have found that it varies from phone to phone, my typing accuracy anyway. using the gingerbread keyboard on my Nexus 1 and Captivate, I get about the same speeds and accuracy.
It took a little while to get used to the Atrix but after I did, I was doing just as ggood, if not better on that screen.
Depended on how fast I tried to type for tthe most part though.
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I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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I wouldn't say the iPhone's screen is any more accurate than anything else. The reason why the iPhone's seems to be more accurate at typing is because of the spell checking, letter prediction software. The iPhone will predict what you're letter you're going to type next and increase the size of the touch response area for that key. This means it'll overlap the keys around it registering the one it thinks you're really looking for. So in a sense, yes it's more accurate, only because it's increased the touch response area for just that key and very inaccurate when you want a different key. Luckily hitting the backspace on the letter it thought you wanted turns off the prediction.
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The digitizer is the same piece of hardware as the galaxy phones as well as the iPhone I believe so the inaccuracy comes down to the software. More specifically, the motorola keyboard isn't that great. Try downloading smart keyboard pro (there's a trial version) and using an iPhone or HTC skin and see how you fare. I find it to be much more accurate and better at correcting mistakes, similar to the iPhone's keyboard.
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Using smart kb pro now and it may be fav yet..
Thanks for the suggestion
i always found the iphone keyboard more accurate unfortunately
and ive used many android keyboards (gingerbread, moto multitouch, etc..)
Dillsnik said:
I have to say, as someone coming from a hard keyboard phone one of my biggest concerns was getting used to the on -screen kybd. It has been tough so far and hoping it gets better in the weeks and months to come (only been about a week so far). But I was pretty dissapoointed when I went on my buddies iPhone (3gs mind you, not even the 4) and his screen was MUCH better at accuracy for the kb. Such an important aspect of the phone utility its hard to overlook its importance...anyone else feel this way with iPhone experience?
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Whats a keybd? And whats a kb?
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I wouldn't say the iPhone's screen is any more accurate than anything else. The reason why the iPhone's seems to be more accurate at typing is because of the spell checking, letter prediction software. The iPhone will predict what you're letter you're going to type next and increase the size of the touch response area for that key. This means it'll overlap the keys around it registering the one it thinks you're really looking for. So in a sense, yes it's more accurate, only because it's increased the touch response area for just that key and very inaccurate when you want a different key. Luckily hitting the backspace on the letter it thought you wanted turns off the prediction.
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this is why thickbuttons is a good keyboard for those that are weaning off iphones.
The iPhone touchpanel may not be any more accurate or precise, but the iPhone keyboard has some enhancements made to it to improve typing accuracy. It predictively resizes the touch area for certain keys based on the probability that those keys will be next to push. You don't see the keys get bigger visually, but the "active touch area" of those keys does get bigger.
For instance, if you started typing a word and pressed "B" as the first letter, the active area of keys "a" "e" "y" and so forth would get bigger, while the active area of "x" and "p" would get smaller. This leads to a higher overall probability of getting the next keypress correct.
There is a lot more going on here while typing than simply relying on the accuracy of the keypress.
Source: http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/08/07/virtual-keyboards-on-iphone-and-android/ - Read "Dynamic Key Reszing" in the article. I thought the article that I read this in was fascinating. Having worked on some ITO panel designs and devices it opened some new insights for me.
tl;dr - Touchpanel accuracy != typing accuracy
EDIT- Just read kkeo's post above. Guess I should read more thouroghly before replyinh lol
We're just splitting hairs here.
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We're just splitting hairs here.
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yeah but the iphone side of the hair is better right? i mean it has to be, steve jobs said so
Dillsnik said:
Well I'm not sure why I seem to be missing more keys on atrix but its frustrating ...right now using GB kybd ...someone had posted how its possible to resize this KB in the settings butthat option is greyed out for me...would love someone to tell me why they think soso
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Download the paid version. It opens up all options
Yeah, it's usually software, but honestly, Apple has one of the best software keyboards in the industry. I'm only using the built-in one because others don't take advantage of all the screen real estate, though I'll try Smart Keyboard.
Pirateghost said:
yeah but the iphone side of the hair is better right? i mean it has to be, steve jobs said so
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Yeah, Steve Jobs don't lie