Related
From : http://www.google.com/support/forum...488da0ef21660d1300048994d2e4bf4c&hl=en&hltp=1
Ry Guy
Google Employee
07:03 PM
Hey guys,
Just dropping in to let you know that the FRF72 build that is floating around is not the official update. The Android team is feverishly working to get a final version out the door, but like passion-ate has mentioned this will only happen once a release candidate meets our quality criteria.
Since today is the Summer Solstice, we know things will be heating up a bit so hopefully Froyo will be on its way shortly. Thanks for your continued patience!
-Ry Guy
So… that tells us… not very much but we now know 2 things:
* FRF72, which was the latest official leaked Froyo build, was not the final version (we kind of already suspected that)
* and Froyo is still not ready
cool, thnx for the info
And so the wait continues...
Then again if the google guys think that FRF72 still doesn't meet their standards... could be a good thing.
I'm expecting the OTA'd Froyo to have the option to take over Apple's servers and Ddos them to pieces.
watch, we will have waited all this time for froyo and instead we get gingerbread. (crosses fingers and hopes)
Good to know...seems like Google is taking QA to a new level!
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/When+It's+Done
(jargon) When It's Done - A manufacturer's non-answer to questions about product availability. This answer allows the manufacturer to pretend to communicate with their customers without setting themselves any deadlines or revealing how behind schedule the product really is. It also sounds slightly better than "We don't know".
sandtiger said:
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/When+It's+Done
(jargon) When It's Done - A manufacturer's non-answer to questions about product availability. This answer allows the manufacturer to pretend to communicate with their customers without setting themselves any deadlines or revealing how behind schedule the product really is. It also sounds slightly better than "We don't know".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
just hopefully it wont be as bad as BlackMesaSource's "When its done" this mod has taken like 3 years
lalalalala
Blueman101 said:
just hopefully it wont be as bad as BlackMesaSource's "When its done" this mod has taken like 3 years
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pretty sure its actually five years in the making because I've been watching for 3 years and I'm sure they started in 04-05 right after half life source came out. nothing compared to duke nukem forever
JCopernicus said:
lalalalala
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This newb is curious, how are you tracking these things?
flybyme said:
.....nothing compared to duke nukem froyo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Needed a small edit, all fixed now.
funny how long its taking google when they seemed so confident at I/O that it would be out shortly. what did they discover i wonder that suddenly needed so much attention?
anyway it doesnt bother me. but i know the complainers in the main google forum arent as forgiving. i have to wonder, what do those people think, that google is holding back 2.2 on purpose? what would be the hidden motive!
RogerPodacter said:
funny how long its taking google when they seemed so confident at I/O that it would be out shortly. what did they discover i wonder that suddenly needed so much attention?
anyway it doesnt bother me. but i know the complainers in the main google forum arent as forgiving. i have to wonder, what do those people think, that google is holding back 2.2 on purpose? what would be the hidden motive!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, its tough to be mad since we already have it anyway. But I'm with you I'm intrigued by the delay, not put off by it. Hopefully google will not be too embarrassed to announce what caused the delay.
Re: Google Officially Updates Us On Froyo Status FRF72 Was Not Final,
I'm still excited, they work hard at Goggle, I'm sure the official update its going to be great when its ready.
I think we should have stick to 2.1 till the official froyo comes up,it's good to see that Desire to N1 Roms are active again
Rodriguezstyle ROM with FRF72 us amazing already
Fastest, smoothest Android I've ever used.
Cant wait for 75
So FRF72 is not the final build. What will be in the new build. Is there a list available what items is not met yet in the FRF72 build?
All this time I always have a feeling that froyo is being delayed due to flash! My thought is that they are waiting for the final flash build to optimize froyo for it.
Adobe has released Full flash 10.1 to android androidcentral.com/adobe-releases-flash-101-partners
so dont think they are waiting on flash anymore
and whilst waiting for flash to be ready they thought. "Hey, let's watch some korean drama and worry about gingerbread later"
Seems very quiet on the development side of things, is there something rumbling behind the scenes? I've actually had one ROM on my phone for more than a week!
do not panic, Froyo is coming from various devs soon ) ...or you can still try relatively usable CM6 )
We are already on summer holidays.
Lots of people are currently away... And I would be too, but I have still one more exam left (20th July).
Also, tomorrow I'm planing on benchmarking 15 Android 2.1 ROMs for our Heros.
It will be a CPU benchmarking, similar to the work being made by Arkymedes here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700755
I didn't start already, because Aurora Softworks will only release the advanced version of Quadrant tomorrow. The standard version (already available) has only the option of performing a full benchmark (includind 2D and 3D graphics, and that's the "job" of Arkymedes, not mine).
So yeah, I've been searching for some CPU benchmarking applications but the "best" I've found are Linpack, BenchmarkPI and Quadrant. If you, or anyone who reads this knows a better one, leave me a PM, please.
CM6 is in the works....
CyanogenMod has official support for the Hero now, and Lox and others are working on it. So yes, something big is brewing.
I'm pretty happy, froyo is working with a few minor bugs, once they're polished out my hero will be perfect!
the calm before the storm :d
mobydeek said:
the calm before the storm :d
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what I thought, I could almost hear the rumble...
Cheers folks, and while I'm here, thanks for all the hard work that you all put in, for guys like me that wish they could
Peace
Check out this article from Android Headlines,
http://androidheadlines.com/2011/02...pril-google-kills-2-3-gingerbread-update.html
Pretty big news no?
Only if your aren't rooted and are waiting on an official gb update. Your wait just got a little longer
Sent from my HTC EVO
Looks like the only change is to make dual core apps compatible with single core phones
nomadicthoughts said:
Pretty big news no?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pretty big unconfirmed rumor at this point but it wouldn't be surprising after what happened with 2.0 and 2.1.
I find that a little concerning, unless the only actual difference relates to single/dual core compatibility. The reason I rolled back from Gingerbread to Froyo was because some of my apps weren't Gingerbread ready. I hope the difference isn't significant enough to cause a gap like this.
That's interesting to say the least, not exactly welcome news to hear of google telling phone manufacturers not to update.
xHausx said:
That's interesting to say the least, not exactly welcome news to hear of google telling phone manufacturers not to update.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My feeling exactly... i mean why would u do that???
Is it really that big of a deal? Seriously we will have before any manufacturer upgrades to it and April is really not that far off. I just feel sorry for the CM team and others that have been endlessly working on GB Roms. I see this upgrade as a good thing and it says some of the elements of Honeycomb will be brought to the 2.4 smartphone version. Why complain if there is nothing you can do about it but wait patiently and be happy you have a great phone. Google, HTC nor Sprint are obligated to update your phone, so just be happy that they do.
housry23 said:
Is it really that big of a deal? Seriously we will have before any manufacturer upgrades to it and April is really not that far off. I just feel sorry for the CM team and others that have been endlessly working on GB Roms. I see this upgrade as a good thing and it says some of the elements of Honeycomb will be brought to the 2.4 smartphone version. Why complain if there is nothing you can do about it but wait patiently and be happy you have a great phone. Google, HTC nor Sprint are obligated to update your phone, so just be happy that they do.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If google tells htc to not update to 2.3, and 2.4 isn't due out till april, then that pretty much guarantees that the Evo will reach it's eol on froyo. It still take a couple months after the updates released for it to be used
With a source like Pocket-lint it has to be "who the hell are they?"
No, really. I've never heard of these guys.
You wanna buy a bridge?
Well I heard they are killing the 2.4 release to solve the multi-screen issues, by releasing Android 2.5 "troufles" in July. So named because of the layers of screen, not shrooms ( did you get that big "G" ? )
And our long wait gets longer.
I'm LoL'ing at people who blindly believe the OP.
Sony Ericsson confirms unchanged kernel for Android 4.0 ICS release, they will still retain Kernel 2.6.32.
IMO fail!
Source: http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/01/0...unchanged-kernel-for-android-4-0-ics-release/
//
Dong2007
What the...this has just put me off again. I now feel like getting a galaxy s2. I hope there will be a new kernel release soon after the ICS release
Sent from my LT18i using Tapatalk
rkanwar said:
What the...this has just put me off again. I now feel like getting a galaxy s2. I hope there will be a new kernel release soon after the ICS release
Sent from my LT18i using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you even read the article? The reason is to get ICS released ASAP.. it's not like they're never going to make a new kernel again. As far as the general public is concerned, this means nothing.
Excellent news, it means we get ICS early this year, not late 2012..
Or did you want it late 2012 with no tangible benefit to end users?
There is very little benefit in mobile kernels. I would love to hear how much you ***THINK*** a 3.0 kernel will give you in performance terms over a 2.6.32 one. my guess would be 0% or very close to that. I would also love to hear when features that have been introduced between these releases you think your Xperia Arc needs.
Personally, I have NO performance problems, NO battery life problems, No signal problems and No reliability problems, and it's therefore an excellent candidate to layer ICS ontop of.
CrazyPeter said:
you ***THINK*** a 3.0 kernel will give you in performance terms over a 2.6.32 one. my guess would be 0% or very close to that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is very hard claims and come up with, can you prove it, or any kind of source?
Samsung and HTC, running right now on kernel 2.6.35.
If they come with an ICS with kernel 3.0.x, Shows the just that S/E is again too lazy.
At first we should be happy to get ICS and SE can update the kernel after that.
Sent from my iPad 2 using Tapatalk
Sorry guys, but you're idiots.
Would you not like to get ICS asap?
Sony's dev team is really supporting the community.
Do you think any other producer are supporting any kind of community that much?
We've great phones.
And pls don't say wow the SGS2 has a dual-core, bla bla..
If you've already used a phone like the SGS2 or HTC Sensation you'll notice that our device isn't a little bit worse.
Btw Sony will make a new kernel, just not now, because they are really want to get ICS fixed.
And the current kernel have a great (!!) battery life. Every new kernel won't have that soon.
dp94 said:
Sorry guys, but you're idiots.
Would you not like to get ICS asap?
Sony's dev team is really supporting the community.
Do you think any other producer are supporting any kind of community that much?
We've great phones.
And pls don't say wow the SGS2 has a dual-core, bla bla..
If you've already used a phone like the SGS2 or HTC Sensation you'll notice that our device isn't a little bit worse.
Btw Sony will make a new kernel, just not now, because they are really want to get ICS fixed.
And the current kernel have a great (!!) battery life. Every new kernel won't have that soon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok so when Sony comes out with dualcore your going to say wow it's the best! Come on dualcore is the way to go and let's not forget arc has little memory I just hope it can Handel ice cream
Sent from my LT15i using XDA Premium App
Poker gypsy said:
Ok so when Sony comes out with dualcore your going to say wow it's the best! Come on dualcore is the way to go and let's not forget arc has little memory I just hope it can Handel ice cream
Sent from my LT15i using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Currently there are no dual-core needed.
Memory? What memory issues do you have?
I've always about 200 MB RAM free and over 300 MB internal memory (Link2SD).
And sure I'll like the future Sony phones, because I'm a really Sony fan and not why they will have dual-core processors.
Sure, sometime in the future there are dual-core processors needed, but take a look at the SGS2, if there weren't the only "bug" with the little memory at our devices there are no differences at all.
There are only very few apps that supports or take advantage of Dual Core rest of them will only support single core. Even Google is just releasing a OS that's optimized for dual core. Sony is doing it rite by delaying the production of dual core phones. Regarding the kernel lets not forget the top priority is releasing ICS then they might think about upgrading the kernel. For more than 60 to 70% of the people new kernel means nothing they just look if Sony is upgrading to ICS.
How many of them even know what are the new features of 3.0x kernel? At least they had the courtesy of letting us know that they are not upgrading the kernel and the reason why they are not doing so. Be happy that Sony's developers are involving us and taking feedback and RESPONDING to it them which most of the manufactures fail to do.
So lets stop complains and be thankful that SE is release ICS as soon as they can.
Hoho, now guys is turn to dual core discussion lol. However, I don't need dual core at this time. If eeryone likes, just take one SGS2 but I don't like that ****ty UI or f***king TouchWiz, extremely ugly. About kernel, you will not see much performance. It is depended much thing than a kernel. A phone with 300MHz can run a 3.x.x kernel if that company still want to support but do you think it will boost your phone performance? Lol. Just think, don't complain. However, you will get new kernel from devs here.
ShyamSasi said:
There are only very few apps that supports or take advantage of Dual Core rest of them will only support single core. Even Google is just releasing a OS that's optimized for dual core. Sony is doing it rite by delaying the production of dual core phones. Regarding the kernel lets not forget the top priority is releasing ICS then they might think about upgrading the kernel. For more than 60 to 70% of the people new kernel means nothing they just look if Sony is upgrading to ICS.
How many of them even know what are the new features of 3.0x kernel? At least they had the courtesy of letting us know that they are not upgrading the kernel and the reason why they are not doing so. Be happy that Sony's developers are involving us and taking feedback and RESPONDING to it them which most of the manufactures fail to do.
So lets stop complains and be thankful that SE is release ICS as soon as they can.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
silveraero said:
Hoho, now guys is turn to dual core discussion lol. However, I don't need dual core at this time. If eeryone likes, just take one SGS2 but I don't like that ****ty UI or f***king TouchWiz, extremely ugly. About kernel, you will not see much performance. It is depended much thing than a kernel. A phone with 300MHz can run a 3.x.x kernel if that company still want to support but do you think it will boost your phone performance? Lol. Just think, don't complain. However, you will get new kernel from devs here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Totally agreeing.
I'm happy there are still people who are realistic and can picture the future.
Should let SE know we need newer kernel for ics, that probably need to fix battery life, well its the most crucial part for any phone.
Take example the jason stein miui, the battery kernel really save my day, where on standby with some wifi and other apps use, it can stay 2 days...
Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk
nujhum said:
Should let SE know we need newer kernel for ics, that probably need to fix battery life, well its the most crucial part for any phone.
Take example the jason stein miui, the battery kernel really save my day, where on standby with some wifi and other apps use, it can stay 2 days...
Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The stock kernel has a great battery life.
dp94 said:
The stock kernel has a great battery life.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed cyrrently stock kernel has good battery life. Agreed regarding bringing out ics earlier. But dont forget. It wont make a difference for those people who have not debranded. All that carrier bulls**t will delay...then theres the region factor. I never said 'omg no new kernel' then cry myself to sleep. I said i hope the new kernel is released soon after the ics update. In regards of dual core and memory. Well for someone who doesnt know about rooting link2sd or xda for that matter how will they prefer the arc over a phone which is has higher internal memory. Which is the one major thing that brought me down with the arc s. Apparently it was meant to have 1gb internal user available. Turns out its the as the arc. No biggie for me since i know about link2sd. Come on most of us have to agree that sony is slow (or behind competitors) dont get me wrong. I love my arc s after releasing 75% of its full potential as i am unsure of the remaining 25%. Thanks for being patient.
Sent from my LT18i using Tapatalk
nujhum said:
Should let SE know we need newer kernel for ics, that probably need to fix battery life, well its the most crucial part for any phone.
Take example the jason stein miui, the battery kernel really save my day, where on standby with some wifi and other apps use, it can stay 2 days...
Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My new arc gives me also juce for 2 days with 3G on some (short) GPS navigation ... just on stock.
I'm happy my Huawei Ideos x5 was defective so I could get the Arc. The X5 lasted only one day ...
dp94 said:
Sorry guys, but you're idiots.
Would you not like to get ICS asap?
Sony's dev team is really supporting the community.
Do you think any other producer are supporting any kind of community that much?
We've great phones.
And pls don't say wow the SGS2 has a dual-core, bla bla..
If you've already used a phone like the SGS2 or HTC Sensation you'll notice that our device isn't a little bit worse.
Btw Sony will make a new kernel, just not now, because they are really want to get ICS fixed.
And the current kernel have a great (!!) battery life. Every new kernel won't have that soon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ah, don't walk right into that trap darling.. You are just as stupid, if not much more. And here are some reasons why:
First of all, you know nothing substantial about the Linux kernel.
Yes, SE Dev TEAM is truly supporting and gets closer to the users.
Yes, we want ICS soon but doesn't ICS mean a new kernel too? Because Google builds Android updates on new kernels and unless you think Google is stupid too, they must be doing it for the better and not for worse.
I won't dignify your assumption about battery life with a comment, because
you are clearly clueless. And all other companies update their kernels and release timely updates, so SE should be able to do it too.
And if you want ICS soon at any cost then make an ICS theme and tell yourself you got it.
I want to get full ICS experience and capabilities on my phone, either sooner or later.
And SE never said it will release the kernel later. On the contrary they said it's unnecessary, which implies it won't happen.
iR¡[email protected]!* via Tapatalk
I love threads like this, so much rage for something 90% of users (remember people, most users are not on XDA) will never notice, and even if they knew, wouldn't care about.
I have every faith that SE will update the kernel sooner or later, but I just love the fact that if they announced ICS was delayed for a few months for them to build a new kernel, everyone would rage that they are taking too long.
I for one am perfectly happy with the current kernel, and I'm glad they chose to get ICS out quickly and update that later. I think for the average user, this is the preferable option.
Incidentally worth mentioning, I'm on stock kernel and my battery life is fine, I dont know if I just have a magic phone but I can't understand the problem
S/E Kernel 2.6.32 are from 2009, and Kernel 3.0.X are from late 2011, same is ICS.
So I think there's a big difference between 3.0.x and 2.3.32. For example, better performance and better battery life more secure kernel. People are so desperate for ICS, that they do not care about kernel. But why do something half as good, when you can make it fully well
Hey i'm Chriss-not an owner of Find 5 but wish i was....
I love Find 5....even it's website lists that it supports XDA,which is like a "Loyal King".
I want to buy it and i 'm trying,i checked out the xda tread and i saw official CM10.1 which really cool but there's nothing else except
AOSP.I mean if you guys can make a some-what stable CM10.1....you guys could easily make more roms like Paranoid,PAC,MIUI would be awesome on 1080p display,and many other roms....more you make better,try out-of-box like firefox os...These things make news and make the device more popular,which brings in more support,donors etc...:good:
So dev who are try hard to fix cm bugs and are stuck build some other roms also ....don't mind the bugs that arise which can be fixed later
I would like to wish the team Best Of Luck! :victory:
Just be patient.
The cm10.1 rom was only released yesterday.:good:
With working and stable CM10.1 and AOSP Roms it's easier to port other Roms that are based on either of them.
I'd much rather have those two up and running in a near perfect state before we get a bunch of people that bricked their phones because they jumped on an alpha of Paranoid Android and they have no clue how to restore them.
Aerys said:
Just be patient.
The cm10.1 rom was only released yesterday.:good:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah. CM kangs almost never appear until CM is mostly complete for a device, and we didn't release until yesterday.
This device has only had kernel source available for sometime around a month, and isn't exactly widely available. Good development takes time.
FYI, CM went from "developers received the device" to "95% working" in less than two weeks, with the first week of that being research and laying the groundwork for a port. Most of the actual coding was done over the past weekend. Of course, this was only possible due to devices that came before us, like the Xperia Z.
It's amazing how much easier Qualcomms are to work with than Exynos.
Good lord.
Okay, you have two approaches to encourage development chrissmartin.
1) Knock yourself out and build a ROM of your own
2) Donate money to an existing developer who's working on a ROM / kernel... whatever you think is of value to you.
I don't know if you've done either, but short of those two options, please don't be 'that guy'. It's a new device in many respects, as Entropy pointed out. You want a ton of ROM's ASAP...go hop on the Sammy bandwagon.
charlatan01 said:
Good lord.
Okay, you have two approaches to encourage development chrissmartin.
1) Knock yourself out and build a ROM of your own
2) Donate money to an existing developer who's working on a ROM / kernel... whatever you think is of value to you.
I don't know if you've done either, but short of those two options, please don't be 'that guy'. It's a new device in many respects, as Entropy pointed out. You want a ton of ROM's ASAP...go hop on the Sammy bandwagon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not gonna get that on Exynos BTW.... All of the Exynos4 CM maintainers are barely touching their devices, and so far, not a single person with maintainer experience has expressed interest in the Exynos5-based GS4. (As to Qualcomm-based GS4s - Some CM people are getting them, but myself and the other ex-Teamhacksung guys are going elsewhere.)
Edit: Obviously, other people can pick up the ball and take a crack at the Exynos5 GS4, but so far, I have not encountered anyone with an interest. All of the people with AOSP-on-Exynos experience I've talked to are done with the platform, and expect Exynos5 "Octa" to be even worse than the Exynos4 was. There's always the possibility we'll get a pleasant surprise from Samsung, but I have very little hope given that they completely failed to deliver on their promises made at the Big Android BBQ.
^ very good to know, thanks Entropy!
First of all!
I'm sorry....i thought cm10.1 had been released weeks or months before...so that's why,i asked
Xiaomi themselves have described the Find 5 as " most likely next" and I'd prefer if miui was made by them.
Allanitomwesh said:
Xiaomi themselves have described the Find 5 as " most likely next" and I'd prefer if miui was made by them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You won't see any discussion of their port here due to their rampant GPL noncompliance.
They're kangers of the worst sort.
I'm sure the ROMs are coming, wait til CM 10.1 is mostly stable, I'm impressed how quickly development is proceeding already.
^^ same. CM came quick! This phone is just barely starting to grab peoples attention. Its a slow start because its not an HTC or a Samsung, or a Sony... or an LG lol. This is their first international phone ever and it's the first time anyone has even heard of OPPO in the mobile world.
sent from my
CM10.1 Rocks!
https://plus.google.com/107247846330688142975/posts/8K7jsbFcwPu
Sent from my C6506 using Tapatalk 2
Things are really starting to flow now, can't wait to try out al the current custom roms
Rule one is to not ask for ETF, and perhaps make a donation.
Sent from XDA app
I just built Jellybeer, but I haven't got my Find 5 yet so can't test it yet
PAC ROM rocks! Working camera now