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Root Image of webOS Leaks Out

So the root image of Palm's new webOS is officially out in the open:
http://www.precentral.net/pre-developer-rom-uncovered-could-lead-hackingcustomization
Is there any chance that this can be ported to run on winmo devices? I sure hope so

djcaston said:
So the root image of Palm's new webOS is officially out in the open:
http://www.precentral.net/pre-developer-rom-uncovered-could-lead-hackingcustomization
Is there any chance that this can be ported to run on winmo devices? I sure hope so
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Oh man! that would be dope. I'm keeping tab on this

richabi said:
Oh man! that would be dope. I'm keeping tab on this
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Doubt it guys webOS supports Multitouch (I could be wrong about it being able to be ported but logic would have it that it can't). And our WinMo phones don't.

Well I guess losing out on a portion of the UI isn't too bad right? Chances are that it could be configured to work with different gestures along the lines of TouchFlo and Opera

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Well I guess losing out on a portion of the UI isn't too bad right? Chances are that it could be configured to work with different gestures along the lines of TouchFlo and Opera
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I don't think you'll miss out on a portion of the UI. I know the gesture area at the bottom exists but there is no reason you'd cut it out due to multitouch support. We have plenty of gesture related apps on WinMo.
I think the problem resides in the fact that the entire OS supports multitouch so if it requires more than one touch to do certain things, you simply won't be able to do them. Which could hinder usability massively depending on how multitouch is implemented. Plus getting our screens to run webOS could be a massive issue, it's designed for a capacitive screen just like the iPhone OS. We have resistive screens. Unfortunately.

dickenz said:
I don't think you'll miss out on a portion of the UI. I know the gesture area at the bottom exists but there is no reason you'd cut it out due to multitouch support. We have plenty of gesture related apps on WinMo.
I think the problem resides in the fact that the entire OS supports multitouch so if it requires more than one touch to do certain things, you simply won't be able to do them. Which could hinder usability massively depending on how multitouch is implemented. Plus getting our screens to run webOS could be a massive issue, it's designed for a capacitive screen just like the iPhone OS. We have resistive screens. Unfortunately.
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When i was referring to "a portion of the UI", the portion i was referring to was multitouch itself. I should have worded it differently. Thats a good point though. It would require a ton of customization and rewriting in order to work. Although android was also a challenge, and they've come pretty far with that also.

Multi-Touch Browser on Ion

Is there anyway i can replace my regular Browser with the Multi-Touch Browser on the Google Ion ROM?
I really dont want to flash a different ROM because i feel the Ion is the most stable and complete. No flaws

281 said:
Is there anyway i can replace my regular Browser with the Multi-Touch Browser on the Google Ion ROM?
I really dont want to flash a different ROM because i feel the Ion is the most stable and complete. No flaws
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i think it needs a kernel that enables mutlitouch.. lol i thought this was a developers forum.. and i thought you would have a way to get multitouch on ion.. smh

Again I must ask, What is the big deal with multi-touch? If a mobile browser is worth it's weight then you shouldn't need to constantly zoom in and out. Is it simply an "Apple has it so it must be needed" thing?

No...
I could care less about Apple... Multi-Touch not only makes the zooming easier but also adds a wow factor to the phone. Makes apps more fun, texting on the VK faster, and more efficient... Multi-Touch is needed on a phone like the G1, all the browser needs is some more work, but the double tap works pro. I love it, but we need multi touch for ion... is there anyway i can download it as an .apk or something and add it to my phone

281 said:
I could care less about Apple... Multi-Touch not only makes the zooming easier but also adds a wow factor to the phone. Makes apps more fun, texting on the VK faster, and more efficient... Multi-Touch is needed on a phone like the G1, all the browser needs is some more work, but the double tap works pro. I love it, but we need multi touch for ion... is there anyway i can download it as an .apk or something and add it to my phone
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Multitouch makes you have to use two hands to use your phone.
Inefficient and slow.

GenericNode said:
Multitouch makes you have to use two hands to use your phone.
Inefficient and slow.
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The G1 is large and makes your pants heavier, so get a new free phone.
No.
MultiTouch is an additional feature, nothing more. If you can have an additional feature, why not? Its not like you can't normally zoom or anything, moreover it demonstrates the capabilities of this phone in the hands of the right users.
Okay, so here is a bit of a misconception. The multitouch is not in the browser, it is in a hacked kernel. Therefore, a Browser may support multitouch, but it doesn't mean you can use multitouch. Simply, the Browser is just a means to use the multitouch, while the multitouch itself is in the ROM. No Multitouch ROM means no Multitouch browser, even if your Browser does support it.

SolemnWishing said:
The G1 is large and makes your pants heavier, so get a new free phone.
No.
MultiTouch is an additional feature, nothing more. If you can have an additional feature, why not? Its not like you can't normally zoom or anything, moreover it demonstrates the capabilities of this phone in the hands of the right users.
Okay, so here is a bit of a misconception. The multitouch is not in the browser, it is in a hacked kernel. Therefore, a Browser may support multitouch, but it doesn't mean you can use multitouch. Simply, the Browser is just a means to use the multitouch, while the multitouch itself is in the ROM. No Multitouch ROM means no Multitouch browser, even if your Browser does support it.
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Yeah, because the graphics acceleration works great and the multitouch zoom looks great!
Do I have to say the "no" part, or do you get it?

I think the question is a matter of, why not? The phone is capable of it, granted it isn't as smooth, but it's not like it is going to cost you an arm or anything. You aren't compromising anything for this feature, so simply, why not?

the sony ericsson answer to multitouch. Nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc3f3twWgzo&feature=player_embedded
if ur impatient fast forward to 1:16
i'm pretty sure this is gonna be implemented in the software upgrade for the X10.
fairly nice way to get around pinch to zoom i think
wont be missing pinch to zoom methinks

nice. i honestly couldn't give a ****e if multi was on x10 or not. If it did, that'd be great, but if not, meh. Don't understand the people that would pass on this phone just because it doesn't have multitouch.

yea me too, but zooming on the browser and google maps was getting a bit irritating for me. although downloading opera solves this issue with the "double tap" feature.
i just thought i should post this so those who lack of multi touch IS an issue might reconsider.

Oooh. That looks great! Hopefully that gallery will find it's way in to the standard X10 when 2.1 goes live!

Zooming is not a problem but multitouch will be required by games most likely.
This will affect gamers but for somebody else the missing MT it shouldn't be a problem.
Having gestures all over the phone will help a lot.

The only place that multitouch is really useful is the onscreen keyboard (especially for those who type fast, there'll be lest missed inputs)

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The only place that multitouch is really useful is the onscreen keyboard (especially for those who type fast, there'll be lest missed inputs)
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its never been a problem for me even on a single touch resistive screen. also- i hate full qwerty keyboards on phones. they're too cramped and u need 2 hands most of the time. i use T9 pad (i downloaded the HTC_IME)

I use the HTC_IME as well and I have 0 missed keys Typed a long post earlier today.
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afhstingray said:
its never been a problem for me even on a single touch resistive screen. also- i hate full qwerty keyboards on phones. they're too cramped and u need 2 hands most of the time. i use T9 pad (i downloaded the HTC_IME)
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Not a problem for me either. And I used Fingerkeyboard on my X1 before I got my X10.

Any confirmation that this is coming to the X10? The video shows the X10 Mini.

What's your opinion on this phone

Hey guys i was wondering how everyone likes their hd2 because i have a mytouch slide but this guy is willing to trade his hd2 for it and i know nothing about winmobile. Is it good i heard a lot of bad rumors about winmobile so just want some input from people who actually own this phone thanks.
Sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love

I wont lie. I never really liked the phone until after I flashed it. There were to many freezes and to me the start menu looked plain. I know the new tmobile rom fixed some issues but a custom really did the trick for me. Now, I don't think android could really satisfy me like windows mobile does. So, if you're not willing to flash I wouldn't trade.
What do you like best about the mytouch slide? I'm actually interseted in getting one cuz I miss having a real keyboard.

The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love

jriv said:
The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love
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I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it. Fortunately, the amount of the support for the phone is awesome. And I love that I can play avi movies, use as a wifi router, and customize everything about the phone. There is a lack of support on the Microsoft market but almost everything can be found on xda or the net if you look hard enough. The one app i need is an age calculator for the hd2, which I'm convinced does not exist. If I were you I'd keep the mytouch and buy an HD2 off craigslist. I believe they're running about $250, which isn't bad.
Edit: Just found an age calculator. It's very plain jane but it's exactly what I need for work. http://uploaded.to/file/5m2co3/age-calculator.1.0.CAB

I would go for the HD2 as long as it hasn't been abused. I would play with it as much as possible before making the trade to make sure. As has been already stated the HD2 really shines when you flash the ROM. Since you rooted your slide I am guessing you wouldn't be shy about that. My wife is using the latest Tmous ROM though and is happy with the phone. If you end up absolutely hating WM you might not be stuck as Android for the HD2 is moving along fairly quickly. I am perfectly fine with WM so I don't see a problem. The only downside to the trade could be non-comparable battery life and that the HD2 doesn't have a hardware keyboard. For me the soft keyboard + swype is considerably better than a hardware keyboard. Run to a Tmo store a try it out if you are on the fence, just make sure you try out swype when you do.

The Htc Leo is a beast it's the Godfather of Wm 6.5 phones!

Stock the phone is ok but a touch buggy. Replace the stock rom with Energy or another custom rom and your in hog heaven running 10 times more stable then Android or iOS. Now that being said if your used to Android or iOS, WiMo is way way different. Its like a real computer crossed with a phone, you will need to download cabs manually to install software. There are a couple markets but nothign like apple or droid. But if you search the internet theirs actually 10's or thousands more apps made for wimo then either of the other OS's just because wimo's been around a decade. Ok after all that wimo is a business phone, if you plan on needing FTP, HTML editing, GPS apps, WORD, excel, streaming TV, streaming radio, or doing anything "hardcore" on your phone wimo is your only option. Its just quite a curve. People have gotten spoiled with all the new OS's that do everything for you and lock oyu out of everything. Then they come over to a wimo where everything is open and you have to go find everything and some have issues, they juts wanna click a button adn be done.
I also agree with DECIM8 , the virtual KB is far superior to a real phone KB. Especially swype. I can actually use that. I have mutated thumbs where one is short and fat, the other is long and slender so my thumbs suck for phone typing. But with swype I can use my index finger and just fly through words.

The slide comes with swype as well so its nice. But the keyboard is so spaced out on the slide its so nice the only downfall is just the lack of support everyone is tryng to sell theirs to get the vibrant or the nexus one so it kinda feels like the phone is outdated already
sent from my super badass rooted slide that all the chicks love

The most thing i like hd2 is the potential to run other OS such as: android, linux or even window mobile 7

take a lot of getting used to for WM users and even more fro those new to windows mobile, im still on stock rom and have been ok so far, i wont flash until ive experienced the real problems

Speed increase is worth flashing alone. I picked up about 50% more speed and smoothness with the custom roms over stock.

ddgarcia05 said:
I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it.
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I agree about the virtual keyboard. Swipe works only when you hold the phone in one hand upright and use the index finger of your dominant hand. It's not a very natural typing position, especially if you're used to using your thumbs. I don't know what it is about the virtual keyboard, but it is impossible to type a message quickly without mangling up the entire thing with errors (even in xd9 mode).

has any one came over from android and if so what do you think
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Love the visibility of the screen.
Sense is nice, but not geared for those of us who need a lot of links to files on our devices.
Selection sensitivity of the screen was horrendous out of the box. I flashed Spikegotti's Unoff 23127 ROM and that helped alot, both with the sensivity and overall performance of the device.
It is very fast indeed, I think I'm going to like the Snapdragon processor a lot.
I installed Spb Mobile Shell 3.5.5 and I have to say that between that and Spike's ROM, it improves the device, for me, to the point where I'll use it as my daily phone. That being said, the capacitive screen is going to take some time to get used to. It is not really geared toward selecting small things on the screen, such as individual cells in Excel, especially when they are links.
The keyboard is OK. I am not really a fan of HW keyboards. If the QWERTY KB allowed for customization (ie remapping of keys), and over time I could get used to placing my fingers exactly so to get the key I want, I could grow to love it. But without the customization if is just OK. Also, in landscape it takes too much of the screen in some apps.
I've installed Gyrator2 after trying several other rotation apps. It makes the HD2 much more useful for reading and research of the documentation I rely on.
Radio reception seems to be as good for me, in my locales as the TP2. HTC has come a long way in that. My Nokias do not do any better than them anymore.
Is it perfect? NO. Is it as close to perfect as my TP2? In most ways yes, and in some ways it is closer. Do I regret my purchase? No, but I'm not giving up my TP2 yet either, just in case.

All right looks like tomorrow im doing the trade im really nervouse about leaving android
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I would do the trade assuming the HD2 is in good condition and works fine. Winmo doesn't feel as refined as android and imo isn't as good of an OS BUT, the HD2 has tons of support and you can already run android on it fairly well and things are moving very very fast here. I would expect a fully functional android rom for the HD2 pretty soon. The phone can also run ubuntu (though still in beta stages here too) and has potential for windows phone 7.
The hardware also blows the mytouch slide out of the water.

The hardware is key for me just because all the developers are skipping the slide in favor of the vibrant or nexus one
Sent from my super cool slide that im trading for a hopefully cool hd2

I was using Milestone before picking up an hd2, and The hd2 is just awesome even if it's running wm 6.5.

jriv said:
has any one came over from android and if so what do you think
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Came from a MT3G rooted. The hardware certainly flies compared to my previous phone and an iPhone 3g. The things I missed most are the pull-down notification bar, gmail integration (Android Gmail App), and the app market.
Yes, you can do just about anything and everything with the HD2 as people have already stated. Overall you will get a more "PC" like experience with this phone versus a "Touch-Optimized" experience like Android or iOS. The UI will scare you in a lot of aspects once you discover the WinMO underlinings, and the apps that you will find. If you don't mind asthetics, then this won't be so much a problem for you as it was for me.
As always, it comes down to what you are using it for, and what you expect from your phone.

What to update every one so I did the trade and tried windows for a bit just wasn't my thing but this phone runs android like a beast
sent from my hd2 running android froyo!

Multitouch Sense keyboard?

Hi. Is there any way to get the default Sense keyboard in 2.2 Desire (I'm not talking about any other 3rd party software) to use multitouch? I've seen that thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742477
If it works on EVO 4G, why doesn't it work on Desires? Any idea? Are there any ways to get it to work? (Like those registry hacks back in WinMo 6.5 days )

i would like to know more about that, too

Desirebrot said:
i would like to know more about that, too
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the desire, like the N1 dosnt really have multitouch, it has pinch to zoom, but thats it.

mintvilla said:
the desire, like the N1 dosnt really have multitouch, it has pinch to zoom, but thats it.
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It can register more than one touch input (aka finger) at a time and therefore HAS multitouch.
How accurately it can achieve this is another discussion.