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[Q] - Water indicators?

Hey everyone!
Somehow, on my HTC Touch HD, quite a big spot showed up. It displays colors and everything, the touch screen works fine on the position of the spot, but the spot is just brighter than the rest of the screen (you can hardly notice it, if the background is dark, but it's quite noticable, if the background is white / bright, or if you're looking at it from an angle.) Now, I have no idea what this is, but to me, it looks like some sort of water damage at most.. Yet, I have no idea how my HD could have come in contact with enough water to create a spot like that. Now, I'd like to know, where the water indicators on the Touch HD are, and what color should they be, if the device hasn't come in contact with water, and what if it has come in contact with water. I only know for the one on the battery, and that one is white with red stripes all over it (in a pattern). I'd just like to figure out, if my device really has come into contact with water (steam perhaps). Oh, and btw, the spot doesn't change if I apply pressure to it, nor is it visible if the device is turned off.. I'm letting my phone sit in a dry spot, without the battery in it for now.. I'll see if it gets better in a few days.
Thanks in advance! Perhaps, I'll post a picture of the spot, if I'll be in the mood for charging my digital camera..

Just under the battery in the bottom corner is a strip.
If it is pink/red it has been in contact with water (thats the colour mine is )
I think there are a couple of internal one around.
Check the manual posted around here somewhere. It has the factory instructions on how to pull it apart/put it together and where all the strips go.

Well..The stripe under the battery, to be precise, under the battery pins is still white.. But the one on the battery is white, with red patterned stripes over it..But I heard the one on the battery should be like that.. Not sure though.. And I don't think I'll mess with opening the device up..If the spot doesn't go away in a few days, I'll contact the shop, and ask what the hell's wrong with my new (5 days old) device ..
Kinda afraid I'll have to pay muchos euros for the repair though Does anyone have any idea, how much does it cost to fix the screen?
Just tried turning on my device, and, I think it's getting a bit better to be honest...The spot had even brighter areas inside itself before, but now, the whole spot has the same brightness.

Complain now while you're still inside a week! But hopefully it will go within next few days (i'm just hoping, I got no clue what it is!)
Good luck

I had something similar with other devices, an air pocket between the digitizer (it looks like water but isnt) and the LCD, you may have applied too much pressure to the screen at some time. The spot can be pushed out, using you finger push the spot towards the outside of the screen, eventually it will return again if you apply too much pressure. This normally happens from the device being in pants pocket and when you sit or bend the pressure is increased. Also hold your LCD to the ear, if you hear a high pitch eeeeeee squeal then you your LCD is faulty. I would send it back for replacement.

Hello again!
After not using my device for 15 hours, the spot has almost vanished. It's still sliiiightly visible from an angle, but otherwise, it has really improved over the night. So, I really think it's a drop or two of water that's inside, which is slowly vaporizing now. Kinda reliefed! I'll report tomorow again, to tell you if the spot is still there or not! But I'm pretty sure that it's going to go away completly by itself.
Anyways, thanks for all the suggestions everyone, but, I think I'll let the device cure this one by itself .

nossac said:
Just under the battery in the bottom corner is a strip.
If it is pink/red it has been in contact with water (thats the colour mine is )
I think there are a couple of internal one around.
Check the manual posted around here somewhere. It has the factory instructions on how to pull it apart/put it together and where all the strips go.
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http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual.pdf

Help, black 'liquid' spots, what to do

Hi Guys,
This morning I suddenly noticed black 'liquid' spots 'behind' my screen. The screen stills works perfectly, but not sure what to do with these spots.
Should I bring it in for repair (reflashing to original ROM, etc)?
These are spots like we used to see on LCD screens, if you press the screen, they get bigger. If I take out the battery and press from the inside, the spots move as well. I reckon there is some pressure build up in the device and would like to open it myself, but that would void the warrenty of course.
Attached 2 photos, 1 with screen off (clearly visable) and 1 with screen on (not really bothersome).
anybody seen this before?
FTrippie

ink bleeding, u should get it to repair asap, lcd is messsed up
My mistake, the other members are right, I am sorry as I could not see your pictures correctly because I was browsing with my hd2.... it is not ink bleeding, for that, you have to have the lcd broken..... anyway, I am glad is not bleeding, now, lets learn from the other members.... cheers..

There are quite a few threads with people having the same issue, I don't believe it's bleeding like suggested above, it is the layers of the screen sticking together. I had the same problem on my old LG Viewty about three years ago - sometimes it goes away on it's own (when the phone gets hot for example) and sometimes you need to get a replacement. If it's new I suggest you speak to either your provider or HTC.

Use a suction cup to carefully pull the screen a little bit and it should disappear.
Brgds... /TubGirl

Same thing happened to me, and few other members... Have a look here.
Grtz
Lukas

Thanks for the quick response guys!
Yep, it's exactly what happened in thread mentioned
(did some searching but couldn't find it before)
the suction cup idea might be a good one, will check it out and let you know. If I can solve it myself it would be much better than sending it in.
thanks!

(newton ring ) this is dueto great pressure happened on the screen if not fixed in short time the screeen will be corrubted .
note; (it is not covered by warranty)

Nope, in my case no pressure whatsoever. It just happened overnight. If it would be pressure, it would be from a faulty manufacturing and elements of the device not fitting well.
Just read the whole case in the other thread, I think I am in for some treat.
Will start with calling my dealer, which is Vodafone Spain.

ftrippie said:
Nope, in my case no pressure whatsoever. It just happened overnight. If it would be pressure, it would be from a faulty manufacturing and elements of the device not fitting well.
Just read the whole case in the other thread, I think I am in for some treat.
Will start with calling my dealer, which is Vodafone Spain.
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mab be it would be from a faulty manufacturing but fix it fast before the screen corrubts from over pressure as this happened on hd1 and they did not want to fix it under warranty

If this happened to me and I couldn't get rid of it, I would go ballistic if HTC claimed it wasn't covered by the warranty. What a total piss take.

i can understand the newton ring effect on resistive screens, but on capacitive screens using glass - i find it hard to believe.

Yes, ardsar. My thougths exactly.
I had Newton rings on my touch hd. And I was informed that that is imposible on capacative screen because it is made of hard material, top layer cannot fall on the lower one.

Whatever it is, I hope it's not a recurring issue. In my thread three HD2 had that issue, and now another one...

Exactly Lukass, I hope this is just coincidence.
I just reflashed the original ROM and will take it this afternoon. In the end I decided not to try to get rid of it myself, since it is now plain visible. And I only had it for 2 weeks, so of it goes.
Let's see what they say.

I had this, repaired by repair service under warranty. The report said it was newton ring.

well, I just brought it in, estimated return is 11th March, let's hope that it will be quicker!
cheers!

Yes it is a newton ring caused by pressure perhaps if you keep the phone in the trouser pocket which is tight.I had the same but as repaired under warranty in 2 days.

Be careful not put to much pressure when putting the battery in, since its a very thin layer between the battery and the LCD. I think this can cause the LCD come in contact with the digitizer if you are not careful.

propably heating issue
has anyone got the idea that this may have been caused by heat? maybe when the internal components of the phone heats up this causes the gap (spot) on the screen. can anyone confirm what is behind the spot? is it the processor? i've got this idea because before switching to hd2 i was using SE xperia x1 and maybe most of you are aware of the cracking issues of the silver casing. well according to my local SE representative this cracking was caused by heating when using wifi. it was covered by warranty since it's a manufacturing defect. HD2 also heats up when using wifi and maybe thats what causing this problem. well its just my idea. feel free to share yours.

how to fix liquid spot
ftrippie said:
Hi Guys,
This morning I suddenly noticed black 'liquid' spots 'behind' my screen. The screen stills works perfectly, but not sure what to do with these spots.
Should I bring it in for repair (reflashing to original ROM, etc)?
These are spots like we used to see on LCD screens, if you press the screen, they get bigger. If I take out the battery and press from the inside, the spots move as well. I reckon there is some pressure build up in the device and would like to open it myself, but that would void the warrenty of course.
Attached 2 photos, 1 with screen off (clearly visable) and 1 with screen on (not really bothersome).
anybody seen this before?
FTrippie
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i had the exactly the same problem, and fixed it!!!! what i did was to heat it up with a hair dryer while it was on charge(this causes the battery to heat up as well) the spot started to shrink slowly took around 2 hours, but it didnt solve my problem total, as when it cools down the spot would comeback but not as large as b4. so getting pissed of with it i put it on charge from my laptop and placed my hd2 behind the air vent of my laptop(where the heat escapes) and continued working, i forgot my phone was there for about 5-8 hours. when i remembered it was there i moved it, whole phone was very hot not so hot that i couldn't hold it but hot enough. the spot had gone totally. but i thought it would comeback when cooled, so i decided to cool it slowly placing it back behind my laptop but moving it further away at 10 min intervals until it was around a foot a half away from the heat. i now have my hd2 working fine. with no spots.... my theory on this is that the liquid had been pushed else where within the phone as i couldn't see any liquid seeping from the phone so by heating the whole phone wherever the liquid was it thinned and cover the spot but upon cooling it would compress again dont quite understand how i worked around that but it worked

Soft key backlight issue?

I noticed that there's a tiny gap between where the screen ends and where the frame begins. It looks really crappy when the backlight for the soft keys is turned on because the light shows through this gap.
(I used the nexus one camera for this, so it's not very visible. It looks a lot worse in person.)
Does anybody else have this? If not, I'll just go swap mine at the sprint store...

No light leak on mine!

I have the same problem although mine is a lot worse. Maybe I should get it exchanged.

No leak on mine. That would drive me bonkers....but I'm ocd. Bring it back!

Most have this

This goes hand in hand with the glass separation issue. Give it a good press down at the bottom and it will fix it for about 30 seconds. It's a problem with the adhesive. I'll be using my warranty once the evos are more readily available.

Dredge said:
This goes hand in hand with the glass separation issue. Give it a good press down at the bottom and it will fix it for about 30 seconds. It's a problem with the adhesive. I'll be using my warranty once the evos are more readily available.
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Same here..

I think they are all gonna get this at some point. Is it neccecarilly a defect? you cant notice it unless you sit in a pitch black room... also i use the silicon case that overlaps the glass just a little bit all around so i dont really notice anyways.

i like to read at night with dark mode. so just the fact that i can't turn off the menu lights irritates me. i used to use LEDshack on the droid.

scev5 said:
I think they are all gonna get this at some point. Is it neccecarilly a defect? you cant notice it unless you sit in a pitch black room... also i use the silicon case that overlaps the glass just a little bit all around so i dont really notice anyways.
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Well, as it stands, its not a huge deal. The question is, how bad will the problem get? It has potential to be a serious problem if it continues to separate. (ie works it way on up the phone)

Button light leakage easy permanent fix

This fix might sound crazy but it works
i have 2 evo's version 002 both with pretty bad light leakage under the buttons. One has 3 buttons and the second 2. In the dark they are very visible and i was getting annoying ready to return both. I tried the blowdryer trick but that did not work.
This is what i did about a week a ago, it only takes a minute.
Go get one of this which you might have laying around your house.
http://www.oppictures.com/singleimages/400/SAN82001_1_1.JPG
Go to a dark area where you are able to see the leakage and start painting let line between the plastic and leakage. try pushing down the plastic to and using the pen to paint some of of the inner cover. Get a towel and remove the ink that got into the screen and bottom cover.
After doing this my phone have not shown any leakage. i have tried water in a towel to see if it would remove the ink and show light leakage but no leakage what so ever (do not try alcohol). This fix is invisible to the naked eyes, i have 4 friends with evo's and they could not tell what i did, even after telling them they still did not know where was painted
This is an easy cheap fix, it takes about 2 minutes and anyone (and i mean anyone) can do it.
So please if it make you feel better returning bu

eduardmc said:
This fix might sound crazy but it works?
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Are you asking us? i dunno, did you try it?

i dunno....seems ghetto, seems htc should have used done better r&d.

Hmm, I'd just like a $200 phone to work in the first place, not start falling apart 7 days in. :|

skoobz said:
Are you asking us? i dunno, did you try it?
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sorry, i fixed it. English is not my native language so i do make alot of mistake in my writings.

Hrshycro said:
Hmm, I'd just like a $200 phone to work in the first place, not start falling apart 7 days in. :|
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I don't believe i have had a phone that did not have any kind of problems related to software and hardware. The palm pre was a mess every new one i got had dead pixels, after 6 unit i finally got one that had 2 dead pixels. My diamonds phone use to get boiling hot. i could go on. all my friends iphones had drop calls like 20 calls a days (most switch to evo with me).
now the evil have a few problems, like the back cover not been flush and that was solved with a peace of small paper on top of the battery.
You will fine defect, nothing is perfect.

Interesting fix but it doesn't eliminate the fact the leak is happening because the screen is separating. Pushing the screen down will eliminate the leaking. The best fix will be to make sure the screen is sitting all the way down. So far I've only seen one guy do it on androidforums by pushing the screen down with clamps and heating it with a hair dryer. After letting it sit over night he didn't have any more leaking or lifting after two days. We have yet to hear from him on the progress (I think he ended up exchanging it anyway). Another guy said he tried the same fix and ended up making his phone worse.

thanks this is a nice cosmetic band aid If i don't see it, it doesn't bother me as much

coolguy949 said:
Interesting fix but it doesn't eliminate the fact the leak is happening because the screen is separating. Pushing the screen down will eliminate the leaking. The best fix will be to make sure the screen is sitting all the way down. So far I've only seen one guy do it on androidforums by pushing the screen down with clamps and heating it with a hair dryer. After letting it sit over night he didn't have any more leaking or lifting after two days. We have yet to hear from him on the progress (I think he ended up exchanging it anyway). Another guy said he tried the same fix and ended up making his phone worse.
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yeah but it seems the screen separation on happens the first few days of using the device and the progress stop. my device did not progress after i notice the leakage and was looking for a fix. This kind of fix the problem since you won't see the light leakage at all. The screen separation is wasn't really a problem since i only notice it when the light leakage is visible.

Again the point is missed. This does not prevent the fact that in time the leakage will evolve into screen separating from the base. The light is leaking because the adhesive used during rush manufacturing wad improperly sealed around the face of the device. This was a huge problem for the iphone (didn't think it would happen to me but here I am with my evo)

This worked like a charm I've already exchanged my EVO twice (on my 3rd evo). The first two had dead pixels, and all three have had the light leak. I'm not in the mood to go through the RMA process with HTC, so this fix was a perfect solution for me. I tried a similar fix using superglue on one of the other EVOs I had, but it left an unsightly white residue in the crack of the screen.
While this may not be a permanent solution to the problem with the screen coming unglued, I'm ecstatic that I no longer have to see light coming from the bottom of my screen.
Thanks a lot.

This thread. ... with that Expo 2 ... funny.

I found my own fix after trying several different things including tightening the torx screws, using a hair driver and clamps, and an expo dry erase marker. I read a post about using plastidip which I had, but unfortunately it was dried out. I then decided to use something else I had around. A fine tip black paint maker (Decocolor - LINK). I dabbed the tip on a piece of paper several times to get a little paint on the tip. I then carefully ran it across the edge where the light was leaking which allowed a very small amount of it to drip down in the crevice. I then ran a q-tip and a paper towel along the edge to make sure any that got outside of the crevice was removed. Now I have no light leakage. The paint is permanent, waterproof (not that I will be testing that) and will be easy to reapply if I ever need to. It also takes very little skill and the markers can be found at a local Michaels or arts/crafts store.
On a side note, the hairdryer/clamp method did help a little, but this paint maker did the job the rest of the way.

'Splodge' on screen

Splodge, was the only way I could describe it...take a look at the attached photo.
I'm certain I have seen someone else post this before.
It just happened randomly! Was fine all day yesterday, then picked my phone up to answer it last night, and after the phone call had ended I saw this on the screen...
Touch screen still works, and you can still see underneath it, its less visible when the back light is on. Of course when it's off, you can see the effect it has!
So...what is it? Easily fixed or what?
Like I said, I'm sure I have seen this posted by someone else before...

Hehe... nice one. It will most likely disappear if you gently pull the glass with a suction cup.
Brgds... /Tubgirl

Suction cup thing works but then it comes back.
HTC said it would be out of warrenty :S and they would have to look at it first.
O2 however, said if its in warrenty (which it is) then they will get it repaired and supply a courtesy handset while they have it.

i had one the same size it has slowly gone to half the size 5 pence piece but o2 said its not under warrenty and i work for a major phone retailer and my repairs guy said it may so im very unsure wuld have re flash it as its hspl grrr

Some background info on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_rings

greg1fraser said:
i had one the same size it has slowly gone to half the size 5 pence piece but o2 said its not under warrenty and i work for a major phone retailer and my repairs guy said it may so im very unsure wuld have re flash it as its hspl grrr
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interesting, well I'm taking it to the O2 store next week, so will see what they say, will keep the email i had off them saying they will as backup!
It has reduced in size, but still has the rainbow pattern in the middle.

I had a similar screen problem however it didnt look anywhere near as bad as yours. Mine had slight discolouration mostly noticable on white backgrounds. Pressing the screen a little bit harder than normal created the sort of effect you get when pressing the screen of a calculator (dont know what to call it) I took mine to the o2 shop with a different fault and also mentioned this fault. I got it back 6 days later but they hadnt fixed the screen problem. I sent it off again then and there and 6 days later i got a new phone.

O2 now have my HD2
Been given a nasty old Nokia phone as a temp...forgot how small some screens are...lol
should take 7-10 days they said...so fingers crossed...

Any way of fixing this problem without sending it back as this has happened to my cousins HTC HD2, kind of glad it didn't happen to mine lol, any quick fixes to know about?

I've had the same with my HD2.
They fixed it for me (new screen)

Don001 said:
Any way of fixing this problem without sending it back as this has happened to my cousins HTC HD2, kind of glad it didn't happen to mine lol, any quick fixes to know about?
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Get hold of a replacement screen and do it yourself??

MalekoUK said:
Get hold of a replacement screen and do it yourself??
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Was actually thinking about this, then tried to figure out how it happened, he goes it was one of two things, since he considers himself a bit of a playboy lol, he tells this tale of a girl sitting in his lap and it happened or could have been wetness (kind of goes hand in hand don't you think lol).. how does this problem usually occur?

Don001 said:
Was actually thinking about this, then tried to figure out how it happened, he goes it was one of two things, since he considers himself a bit of a playboy lol, he tells this tale of a girl sitting in his lap and it happened or could have been wetness (kind of goes hand in hand don't you think lol).. how does this problem usually occur?
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LOL!
Well anyway! For me it was very random. The phone was fine all day at work, I had a phone call in the evening, after the phone call I just looked at my phone, and there it was...
Some people have said its caused my the heat of the battery and signal, dunno.
Its a very thin space between the battery and the back of the screen, so maybe thats true.
I can't see how over pressure can cause it as its a glass screen, and glass doesn't bend like plastic.

I had a smaller of these newton rings at the center. Much smaller than yours.
Suddenly one day it disappeared.
It was during summer and I thought it was probably because of the heat.

MalekoUK said:
LOL!
Well anyway! For me it was very random. The phone was fine all day at work, I had a phone call in the evening, after the phone call I just looked at my phone, and there it was...
Some people have said its caused my the heat of the battery and signal, dunno.
Its a very thin space between the battery and the back of the screen, so maybe thats true.
I can't see how over pressure can cause it as its a glass screen, and glass doesn't bend like plastic.
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Interesting, he did always complain about his battery overheating or when on a phone call, the phone temperature increases rapidly, guess that was the cause, at least I get to tell him some good news, he can go to spearmint rhino as much as he wants lol

Just tracked the repair on line and all sounding good!
Job Fault: Defective On-Screen Keyboard
Job Status: On it’s way back
Repair Outcome: Warranty Repair

MalekoUK said:
Just tracked the repair on line and all sounding good!
Job Fault: Defective On-Screen Keyboard
Job Status: On it’s way back
Repair Outcome: Warranty Repair
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Congratulations.. how long did it take to come back?

Don001 said:
Congratulations.. how long did it take to come back?
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Hasn't arrived at the store yet, waiting for a phone call, fingers crossed for today! that would be exactly a week.

Hope its fixed soon for you, its interesting about the battery and heat, my hd2 gets warm below the battery and that is also below the main area your problem is on, I suspect its down to a screen fault myself.

MalekoUK said:
Hasn't arrived at the store yet, waiting for a phone call, fingers crossed for today! that would be exactly a week.
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Hopefully because I know how it feels like to be without the beloved HD2, I had to last two weeks, no matter what phone you use as a substitute, for some reason, it just cannot compare!