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Jk published in his weblog an article about the problem that maybe the new Windows Media Player 10 and the new "playsforsure" Features will never be available for actual Windows Mobile 2003 Pocket-PCs... thats a thing i am also worried about these days - because why the hell did i spent more than €600 for a device, with more than adequate memory capacity for all types of media, when it does not integrate in the existing "Media-World" that is drawn by available and upcoming Microsoft Products. Well have a look at the portable MediaCenter Devices... neat and really cool gadgets - a must have - you can sync them with your home pc´s - can have the movies from your home´s MediaCenter on your portable MediaCenter, you can buy content from Microsoft Content-providing Partners... okay thats cool isn´t it. - But infact - i got that nifty "all-in-one device suitable for every purpose" called Pocket PC.... - Iam watching high-quality-mpeg4 movies on my PocketPCs for months... i listen to my mp3´s, ogg´s, aac´s and whatsoever... but those cool integration-feeling doesn´t come up with my PocketPC... and the Windows Media Player 10 for Windows Mobile would help that a bit - but what would sort things out: to have the same integration and Features that are available for other, compared to the Pocket PC dumb, devices....
And thats why I started the "MTP-over-IP" Project. Because MTP ist the Protocol all this cool devices use to communicate with the Applications... (there are some more like auto-discovery and so on...but first things first)... a working Implementation of MTP would make it possible that the Windows Media Player 10 on the PC could recognize the Pocket PC as a Media Device, as a Smart Device that it is...
So. Due to quite heavy workload I have the moment I cannot do such a project alone - so I would like to ask everyone that is interested and capable of helping me with this project in doing so.
At the moment the first lines of code are already written - i started the MTP Library in C# based on the .NET Framework at the Moment - the Goal is to get the MTP Protocol working, on the .NET Framework and on the .NET Compact Framework...
I published the first lines of code some days ago... you can grab it here(sorry that the blog-article is mainly in german...)
a "playsforsure"-Teaser for Windows Mobile 2003 can be viewed here.
So.. give me a line if you would like to help or you just have an oppinion about the subject.
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iam already searching for developers that would like to get into this project....
want to know more about MTP Over IP
Hi,
I am interesetd in knowing more information regarding MTP Over IP, can u give me the Latest Resources.
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Vijay
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iam already searching for developers that would like to get into this project....
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Hi everyone, 1st post on this forum so please be gentle.
I've recently upgraded to an X1 from a nokia n95.
One of the things i that i used to be able to do with my n95 was browse my photos and music files that i had stored on the phone using my playstation 3 or my laptop over a wi-fi connection.
Havn't found an obvoius way to do this yet on the X1.
Is there an app or something in the settings that i can change so that i can do this on my x1 or isn't this possible?
anyone .
please.
Don't you simply see all content of your X1 in your WIN Explorer like attached?
Certainly you would have needed to set up the connection between your X1 and the PC, but I guess you'll anyway have done that for synchnonisation reasons?
Eric
Eric X1 said:
Don't you simply see all content of your X1 in your WIN Explorer like attached?
Certainly you would have needed to set up the connection between your X1 and the PC, but I guess you'll anyway have done that for synchnonisation reasons?
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Yes i can do this no problem when i plug the phone into the pc via a usb cable.
I just wanted to know if i could do this over wi-fi without having to use any cables at all. I could with my n95.
I had an N95 aswel and I have to say that I miss how easy I could make it share all media files through the home network. This had something to do with UPnP I remember. Any program which could make the xperia almost a media server?
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Hi!
Just found a UPnP Server (for Windows Mobile 5.0) at Microsoft. As my X1 has not arrived up to now, i cannot try it out. Seems to be a package with several server components. If UPnP Server works, loggin in to your WLAN access point should make the UPNP Server promote itself and the X1 data accessible inside the local net.
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This package contain optional redistributable server components that you can incorporate into your own applications for the Windows Mobile 5.0 platform.
MSMQ - Contains the core MSMQ libraries and the MSMQ administration utilities visadm and msmqadm.
HTTPD - Contains the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) server.
PeerNet - Contains the Peer-to-Peer core library, the Peer Name Resolution Protocol (PNRP) Namespace Provider (NSP) and the Peer-to-Peer service.
UPnPCtrl - Contains the core UPnP control point libraries.
UPnPHost - Contains the core UPnP device host libraries.
For full documentation, please see: Windows Mobile Version 5.0 SDK - Optional Server Components in the MSDN Online Library.
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cdfd2bb2-fa13-4062-b8d1-4406ccddb5fd&DisplayLang=en
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It's a library. We need also a program that up a multimedial server.
I would love to see development on this front. I am trying out a HTC Touch HD coming from a N95 whihc is my main phone.
The media server ability of the N95 is extremely useful. I used to use to show pics on the PS3 wirelessly whenever i took snaps.
Much like wireless cameras with Upnp. Hopefully someone can make a solution. Its odd not having it.
the reason you could do that with your n95 was because it had dlna media server capabilities.. i kno the x1 was supposed to be able to do this initially but it got removed for some stupid reason..(it was in the original white paper)..i was really looking forward to this and was bummed when i got my phone and realized it was removed..so i doubt u will be able to do what your aiming at, your best bet would most likely be to map your public/shared folders to your phone so you could easily synchronise it
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the reason you could do that with your n95 was because it had dlna media server capabilities.. i kno the x1 was supposed to be able to do this initially but it got removed for some stupid reason..(it was in the original white paper)..i was really looking forward to this and was bummed when i got my phone and realized it was removed..so i doubt u will be able to do what your aiming at, your best bet would most likely be to map your public/shared folders to your phone so you could easily synchronise it
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Ah thats nice too. Lets hope windows gets on the badnwagon. I have to say the Symbian phone functionally are great out of the box. I have to tinker alot with other devices including the Iphone(whihc doesnt do much...).
What is in your experience the best BT remote control software available for Xperia? Im looking for something similar to SE k800 feature for remote controlling of PC (Powerpoint, mouse control, media player control) without installing any server component on PC... Only using BT HID!!!
Is there any good one? ... maybe Salling Clicker(but I guess it's necessary to install server component... or newly MobileRemote...
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What is in your experience the best BT remote control software available for Xperia? Im looking for something similar to SE k800 feature for remote controlling of PC (Powerpoint, mouse control, media player control) without installing any server component on PC... Only using BT HIC!!!
Is there any good one? ... maybe Salling Clicker(but I guess it's necessary to install server component... or newly MobileRemote...
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Mobile remote is awesome. I have used since it was out and decided to buy it right away.
It connects to my pc in about 2 seconds and I can start using it right away. I love not having to get up to pause my media player .
I can't believe that haven't provide this asROM incorporated application... If K800i have it.. why X1 doesn't....
Is there any free app of this sort.. that support BT HID protocol?
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I can't believe that haven't provide this asROM incorporated application... If K800i have it.. why X1 doesn't....
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By the way, comparing the K800i to the Xperia is like comparing apples and pears
Just tried Mobileremote - seems to be a bit screwy landscape/portrait are reversed and the hardware keyboard has permanent numlock on when used on X1
still just about usable though
You're right... but on my old K800i BT HID protocol worked for free... and perfectly well ..
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You're right... but on my old K800i BT HID protocol worked for free... and perfectly well ..
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Coming to Windows Mobile after being a longstanding Sony Ericsson feature phone user, it's really surprised me how truly COMPLETE the SE ui was! It had SO many great tools built right in that Windows Mobile even struggles with, and it's a smartphone OS! I could be happy if they just made the SE A200 interface touch-enabled (a nice qwerty maybe ), because I miss so many nicely implemented features they had!
i would suggest using this:
http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/
it's free and it let's you control most media applications and what's cool about is it that it allows you to use the x1 touchscreen as a touchpad of a notebook computer to control the mouse pointer and tap to left click. unfortunately it cannot right-click. it doesn't accurately input the proper characters either while using the physical keyboard, but the onscreen keyboard works just fine with it.
So I was wondering, what Mac-users here are using to make life easier using a Windows Mobile phone with a Macintosh?
I currently use SyncMate (free version, just for contacts and agenda backups) and have tried using Doublemate to sync my phone to iTunes, but that didn't work yet and actually haven't tried anymore since months. So I just copy over musicfiles from iTunes to the X1 in USB-mode.
For movies I just use iSquint to re-encode them to MP4's to watch in the mediapanel. Still need to find a way to properly tag my iTunes library because I'm still getting 'unknown artists' which of course is highly annoying!
I backup a lot of mobile-snapshots with iPhoto, which I find to be an excellent and easy-to-use photomanager though with poor flickr-integration (I use flickr-uploader mostly anyway).
So, Mac user's of X1's and WinMo devices, share with me and others your experiences, tips & tricks of using two highly competing OS's!
I don't think many people use Macs here...
I use my MarkSpace Missing Sync for Windows Mobile (http://www.markspace.com/) to sync Address Book and iCal with my X1. I tried SyncMate (the paid version), didn't like it, think it needed more development; one annoying thing it did was try to grab every USB device connected to my Mac. I've also got Parallels VM installed, so I can also use MS ActiveSync.
I don't worry too much about trying to sync with iTunes or iPhoto, just simply mount my X1 and transfer files using drag and drop - keep it simple.
I also use my X1 as a wireless broadband modem. I use OS X bluetooth DUN rather than a USB connection, works well.
I don't consider OS X and WM compete at all. In fact there's plenty of support around that they complement one and other nicely.
I've been totally anti-microsoft mac-head person for a long time... BUT I've been a huge fan of SE phones also for a equally long time.
I was thinking of getting a iPhone like everyone else, but there were so many features missing you'll get on a "regular" smartphone. And I was also a avid Palm user also in their pre-phone pda heyday. So it was just so logical go with X1.
Just flashed to 6.5 it got rid of so many annoying things I didn't like on 6.1. Mainly on UI side. And I love the superhackability of WM/HTC phones. You can do anything like with them. iPhones a different game.
Basically the keypoints for me were keyboard, console-emulators and expanpability/hackability. Actually I consider my X1 as a nice little xtra laptop to live alongside my MacBook Pro. Nowadays I don't drag my 17" inch along all the time as I can do all the things I need on the go with X1. And WM is a pretty straightforward and basic OS so I get along with it.
My mac talks and syncs pretty decently with X1 via Missing Sync. It's not perfect but enough for me. And mostly the regular usb transfer does the trick.
And after founding out xda-developers this has grown into a nice little hobby to tweak around with WM
I use itune agent to sync my itune music on pc with my x1 it works
ok another option is the program salling
both are made to sync non ipods/phones with itunes
but not sure if there are mac versions of them or other options for mac
Are you guys also irritated by OS X leaving invisble files on Windows devices? I'm guessing it's something that has a good function within OS X itself, but outside of OS X it just takes up space.
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Hey all, I was using Missing Sync from MarkSpace worked great, although sometimes you might need to reboot both devices if recognisation is FAIL.
Anyway ran into some problems a while back with restoring my backups with some roms just failing after a restore, figured it mustve been a problem with a specific contact, so now have two different contact databases, my phone and my pc.
yo hezz05 look at blueharvest http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/
should help
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yo hezz05 look at blueharvest http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/
should help
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Thanks! Just installed it, hopefully will keep those files off of my devices.
mmm what do u guys think is the best software around?
migrated from Vista
XpErIaX1-IdOu said:
mmm what do u guys think is the best software around?
migrated from Vista
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What do you mean? To backup or update your contactlists etc?
I just use a free copy of Syncmate, I only use it to backup contacts. Other stuff I just drop as a USB drive.
I might be going out on a limb here be even asking this but is it possible to hack Zune music files or even picture files to sync with WP8 devices
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I might be going out on a limb here be even asking this but is it possible to hack Zune music files or even picture files to sync with WP8 devices
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I'll admit I would like this too. It is a lot better than the "WIndows Phone App" for Windows 7". Dont get me wrong, if you have Windows 8, the app looks nice but, for Windows 7, would love to get this back so I can sync like I could with my 7.5 device.
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I'll admit I would like this too. It is a lot better than the "WIndows Phone App" for Windows 7". Dont get me wrong, if you have Windows 8, the app looks nice but, for Windows 7, would love to get this back so I can sync like I could with my 7.5 device.
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I agree with you DavidinCT. I don't think Microsoft quite go the message when we asked them that we didn't need Zune for everything. Although I like the fact that they made the store separate; they still should have left Zune as a music player or at least given us a Xbox music app.
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I agree with you DavidinCT. I don't think Microsoft quite go the message when we asked them that we didn't need Zune for everything. Although I like the fact that they made the store separate; they still should have left Zune as a music player or at least given us a Xbox music app.
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If you plug in your WP8 device to a computer, it will show as a drive and on the drive, it has a Music folder. There must be a way for Zune to sync with it as it would be almost just like syncing with a USB drive or a flash card.
What else will zune sync with besides Zune devices and WP7 devices ? How does the WP8 app do it, maybe so converter/program can be put in there to make it see it as a Zune device ?
With it being like a USB drive, I am sure it should not be hard for someone to do...for someone who knows how Zune works and can access the API for it..
You know what, I wonder if there something in Zune's registry that can be changed?? Hum.... I'll look into it see if I can find anything.:silly:
Hum found something but not sure; under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Software>Microsoft>Zune>Sync>Windows Phone>Handlers>DNS. Can someone look into it and see if anything if it is possible to write a new entry or change something? If it's a dll that needs to be changed then I'll have to leave it to a pro, I'm no good with dlls. Hopefully someone with the know how can help us.
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Hum found something but not sure; under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Software>Microsoft>Zune>Sync>Windows Phone>Handlers>DNS. Can someone look into it and see if anything if it is possible to write a new entry or change something? If it's a dll that needs to be changed then I'll have to leave it to a pro, I'm no good with dlls. Hopefully someone with the know how can help us.
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Good luck, I'll take a look if I get a second tonight to see if I can figure out anything but, I dont understand how Zune subsystem really works but, there has to be white paper on it or something...
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Good luck, I'll take a look if I get a second tonight to see if I can figure out anything but, I dont understand how Zune subsystem really works but, there has to be white paper on it or something...
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Cool let me know what you find because I've hit a bump.
Not to be Eeyore here, but what you are trying to do is the equivalent of making Zune sync to an iPod or other Mp3 player. It can't be done. You need drivers and numerous other resources from Microsoft, which they have developed.
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Not to be Eeyore here, but what you are trying to do is the equivalent of making Zune sync to an iPod or other Mp3 player. It can't be done. You need drivers and numerous other resources from Microsoft, which they have developed.
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he has a point here guys, and even if zune was jus copying music from one folder to another like a MP3 player it still wont work as zune has a database as well that would need amending. nope, without some kind of emulation layer, it is unlikely to ever be done
course, I should have checked the dates on this, that was some bump!
Oh yeah that darn Zune data base, I forgot about that... double bump!!
Doesn't WMP sync to usb devices?
and also does video/pictures?
I always thought zune just did what wmp does but for wp, although saying that I've never tried it with mine, just got annoyed at how pointless the windows phone 8 app is...
Yes wmp will sync to a usb device but a WP device isn't a usb device, other than the final result wmp and Zune have nothing In common, i don't have a wp8 device so haven't had the pleasure of using it but Zune is actually really good
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Zune speaks MTPZ (Media Transfer Protocol, Zune extensions). WP8 (and Windows Explorer, when showing a "media device" instead of a "removable drive") speak MTP (without the Z). They are not compatible. Your chances of getting Zune to talk to WP8 without a fair bit of reverse engineering or MitM on the connection are quite low, and I don't personally believe it's worth the effort.
With that said, I think WMP does (or perhaps did at one point) speak MTP. A number of other programs do too, including ones for OSes other than Windows. I haven't yet checked to see if there's anything special about WP8's MTP that prevents those other programs from working, though; there might be. After all, it was possible to get Zune and WP7 devices to show up (as MTP devices) in Windows Explorer after a registry tweak, but you did still need to have the Zune software installed.
Windows Media Player will sync with WP8 devices, though its pretty slow.
Attempts at hacking the MTPz protocol have been ongoing for years and it just died out and was never successful. Suffice to say, it isn't going to happen. We'll sooner get a proper syncing client from Microsoft for WP8 before someone reverse engineers the Zune software/protocol.
The only reason I would want Zune to work with WP8 is wireless sync. Wish there was a way to do that with WP8
I'm interested in some type of Music sync, I guess I would like all the zune features (podcasts, apps, etc) but, I would deal with a good music sync app.
Is anyone using anything besides the crappy "Windows Phone app" ? IS there a good 3rd party app that would sync to a removable device (like WP8 shows up as), to have a better interface for transferring music ?
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The only reason I would want Zune to work with WP8 is wireless sync. Wish there was a way to do that with WP8
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Agreed. The lack of phone-to-PC cloud sync is quite frustrating. 90% of the time I discover music from my phone and want it to sync back to my PC, not the other way around. Xbox Music has its fair share of issues, both in the backend service and in the horrible Windows 8 app. If they don't fix this on the phone in WP8.1, I don't think they'll ever get it right.
It's just a shame because all they needed to do was rebrand Zune. Change the logo, color scheme, and name. I don't think we loyalists would have cared what it's called, as long as its functionality remained the same. Instead, they gutted it of all its unique and useful features, then reinvented the wheel. As a square wheel. Xbox Music is nothing more than a less-functional, slower Zune with fewer songs in its library. What a waste of time and development resources.
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Agreed. The lack of phone-to-PC cloud sync is quite frustrating. 90% of the time I discover music from my phone and want it to sync back to my PC, not the other way around. Xbox Music has its fair share of issues, both in the backend service and in the horrible Windows 8 app. If they don't fix this on the phone in WP8.1, I don't think they'll ever get it right.
It's just a shame because all they needed to do was rebrand Zune. Change the logo, color scheme, and name. I don't think we loyalists would have cared what it's called, as long as its functionality remained the same. Instead, they gutted it of all its unique and useful features, then reinvented the wheel. As a square wheel. Xbox Music is nothing more than a less-functional, slower Zune with fewer songs in its library. What a waste of time and development resources.
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agree with you a 100%
if you guys didn't know this Microsoft released the windows phone app for desktop out of beta ... it is a little better then WMP but no where near Zune functionality
Bah I am working on some software to sync music like Zune does.
Music and other stuff as well.
Does everything zune does(except phone updates), plus some other things.