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One way or another, it looks like we'll finally have Flash on our devices soon...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/17/microsoft-bites-bullet-licenses-adobes-flash-lite-for-windows/
Finally,this issue is resolved. I wonder what's going to happen to silverlight if FL3 makes it to WM platform.
Anyway, I have all my hopes in Opera 9.5 and Skyfire...seems that they could provide a relief sooner..
eaglesteve said:
Finally,this issue is resolved. I wonder what's going to happen to silverlight if FL3 makes it to WM platform.
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If you read the many other posts regarding ms and adobe agreement, MS will continue to develop silverlight, but thought they needed something now. And will add silverlight to WM as they entice more developers to use their technology. In either case, competition is good to entice micro$oft to continue their development of Windows mobile. It is a great app, but faster development or more current technology would not hurt MS future development of WM.
I also read they wanted to license Adobe Reader, and Adobe forced Flash Lite on them as part of the deal.
Unfortunately FL only supports older Flash implementations so we'll still find web sites (or parts of sites) that we can't use.
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I also read they wanted to license Adobe Reader, and Adobe forced Flash Lite on them as part of the deal.
Unfortunately FL only supports older Flash implementations so we'll still find web sites (or parts of sites) that we can't use.
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You mean it's not going to be FL3?
A quote from the original source.
" Think of Flash Lite as a slightly older version of Flash; the most current version of Flash Lite can't properly display Web sites created with the newest version of Flash, Flash 9, but it works with sites created using older versions of the technology."
Check this out..
Now if only one of our Devs can get their hands on a beta.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/10/05/flash-player-10-1-to-support-smartphones-nvidia-powered-netbook/
Video of palm pre running flash 10
Adobe has announced that Flash 10.1 will support GPU acceleration for NVIDIA graphics, which means that if you've got a computer with NVIDIA GeForce, ION, or Tegra graphics in it, you should be able to watch high definition Flash video in fullscreen mode even if you have a slow processor like an Intel Atom or ARM-based chip.
What's more, Adobe is going to bring Flash 10.1 to Smartphones, ending the separate but unequal era of Flash Lite. Flash 10.1 will be available for Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Google Android, and Symbian phones. The iPhone's not on that list because Adobe still hasn't worked out an arrangement with Apple to add support for Flash 10.1 to the iPhone's Safari web browser, but that could still happen.
Flash 10.1 is due to hit the streets in the first half of 2010. But there should be beta versions available before the end of 2009.
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It was probably auto-closed for having the word "Flash" in it or something.
Anyway, I really do hope this is true. It'll likely make competition between mobile and desktop browsers, which is a good thing, since before the iPhone, Opera Mobile, Iris Browser, and finally the Android browser, the mobile web was one of those areas that you would have to expect your site sliced-and-diced to fit the screen.
P.S.: wouldn't this go in the Dream general forum? It's not specifically related to dev'ing, other than the fact that ROM devs would likely cook Flash into their ROMs once the beta leaks or something.
I'm not sure where it is but about 2 months ago they demoed the alpha of the same flash on the g1 with gpu acceleration as well. seemed to run nicely. basically it comes out at the "end of this year" according to the adobe dev emails I get. Unless of course we can get a leak sooner. can't wait
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It was probably auto-closed for having the word "Flash" in it or something.
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We don't auto close anything, however mods have the option to close multiple threads at once, someone might have ticked the wrong box, really we're humans
Greetz,
Flar
p.s. I think it would be better suited in dream general indeed and will move it.
I thought Android's browser was webkit based?
If it is, then there is no logical reason that iPhone-Safari can't already have it, since that is also webkit. My guess is just Apple being stupid and rejecting it as usual.
All the more reason to buy an Android.
I think Apple wont allow it because full flash can take a big bite out of the apple app store/itunes
(just my opinion)
Hello everyone. First off, be clear of one thing: FLASH will not work on our phones even when Froyo is out. Flash was an improvement in Froyo, but it is not going to be in all phones just because they have Froyo..
I see a lot of people complaining that the Froyo releases of the Galaxy 3 do not have Flash 10.1. I opened this topic to inform everyone who doesn't know that Flash is currently only supported on ARMv7 processors, namely the ARM Cortex A8 processors.
The Galaxy 3 has an ARMv6 processor, which is not currently supported by Flash. Adobe has mentioned that Flash might be supported on lower end processors in the near future, but right now it can only run on phones having an ARM Cortex A8 processor.
So right now, Flash is a no-go on our phone, even when the final Froyo update is released.
You can check the requirements for Flash on the following link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile
Also, check out this link which mentions that ARM might be supported on ARM11 (ARMv6) devices in the future:
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/
For those who wonder why the HTC phones have Flash, just found out that the Flash Player on HTC has been developed by HTC themselves. It is not the actual Adobe Flash Player 10.1..
So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
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So we can only hope that until final FROYO relese Adobe will mode Flash to work on our hardware
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Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
But on the other side, if We ask at loud and if we do it in weaves, they will change their mind and support our hardware
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Not likely. Adobe has said they might make it work on these processors, but it surely isn't at the top of their agenda right now.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
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Where do you want to use flash ?
a) WEB:
Because you can use SKYFIRE which converts at their servers flash to html5 and you can watch converted flash video at your mobile
b) SD card applications:
I had on my XPERIA X1 (which has slower CPU) flash player and many many flash games. It was working without any lags.
c) what if you install flash player 10 like 3th party application ?
d) do you want to launch complicated Flash www pages at your mobile ? With this stupid resolution ? I think that:
- it has no sense (I hate to read anythink on this display)
- sooner or later the pages will be converted to html5 and we will be able to have them.
So please for what reason do you need flash ?
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Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
The main requirement of flash is a VFPU(vector floating point unit).it is a physical device that should be present in the chip for flash to work.the older arm processors(arm1136) does not support it(thats why adobe said they wont support older processors). Our processor(arm1176) supports it but it is optional.so it all depends on whether samsung implemnted vfpu in this chip. Considering what they did with 3d graphics my hopes are pretty low.
Flash isnt essential but it would have been nice to have it.i didnt know about these things before i bought the phone.but considering the fact that no device. Anywhere near this price range supports it,i am happy with the phone.
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Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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Check out this site:
"androidandme.com/2010/08/news/flash-player-10-1-could-appear-on-some-arm11-devices/"
ARM11 is ARMv6, which is there in our phones. So right now it's not gonna work in our phones.
Also check out these mobile system requirements mentioned on Adobe's site:
"adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#mobile"
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Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
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I agree, also SPB TV works or Orange streaming TV (for orange customers), without any problem. I think that it's pricing policy - producers don't want to squeeze the maximum from the cheap phones.
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As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
addicted2088 said:
As Adobe releases Flash for free, it doesn't really matter to them if it's used in cheap or costly phones. The ARMv6 processor is not necessarily used only in cheap phones. Rendering Flash content is a processor intensive job, so it is not an easy job to port it to lower end processors.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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and HTC wildfire ? I din't mean this no motivation for Adobe but for Samsung to support the cheaper phone. They just implement some widgets, youtube as a start, but later they do not care about old models.
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HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
U are right
ROLY5573 said:
Where did you get this information from?
This is crucial, especially to the people in countries, where this phone has been released for sale recently, such as India. The biggest selling point of this phone, has been the technical ability to upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, as such, the importance of Flash cannot be underestimated. Whilst there are many owners who are not too bothered about this, the vast majority have assumed that purchase of the Apollo, would mean, for their internet phone usage, a very much improved experience, mirroring , albeit on a small scale, a view familiar to the desktop computer.
I hope you may be wrong. Samsung should clarify this, before many others spend too much money.
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ROLY5573 said:
Live score updates would be one feature I use on a regular basis. Many sites require Flash to be viewed properly, and Skyfire is somewhat limited in being able to do so.
The resolution of the phone is a factor, but with many video presentations and live transmissions in the 320/240 mode, the Apollo is more than capable of being able to used for displaying web video. LaolaTV, TVU networks, and Justin TV are examples of this.
An otherwise very capable phone, I would just like to squeeze a bit more of it's potential.
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I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
addicted2088 said:
HTC has been giving Flash support for their Eclair phones, but it doesn't work that great. If you check the Wildfire review on GSMArena, Flash has trouble playing videos on all sites, and only simple games run nicely.
Flash can run on ARMv6 processors, but it hasn't been developed properly for it yet. And no one except HTC gives support for Flash in their Eclair running phones, so it's not only Samsung's fault. Plus, even Samsung gave Flash on the high-end Galaxy S AFTER it was upgraded to Froyo.
Let's see, it's bound to come out for ARMv6 processors sometime, as budget Android phones are only gonna increase in popularity.
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welty said:
I really hope you know that HTML5 isn't finnished yet, and will take more 2 years to be finnished. Till there, yes we need flash...
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what about LG OO or other 200€ devices ?
Is there any other app that makes flash possible on our phones?
skyfire
flash doesnt work on p500 either....
Hey
It is possible, to install a Flash Lite on 2.2? Because we don't have any flash, and can't watch videos through skyfire. But no - I won't come back to 2.1
FYI: This is a venting post, written spur of the moment. Probably rambling from point to point without proofreading or organizing thoughts. Don't even know if it will make sense to anyone.
In my haste to, you know, have the newest version of Android running on my Transformer, I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer. There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues. IMO, the fault is split between Google and the hardware manufacturers. Google should force manufacturers to ship phones and tablets with stock Android. It is Google's system and they should have the control to do that. The manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves for not being able to release an update to the latest OS within a few weeks of the release, jellybean, and on a tablet that was only launched in the US in April 2011. Google should be ashamed for letting these manufacturers get away with running an outdated version on a device that is completely cabable of running the newest iteration. Had an official means of updating to Jellybean been available I would not have spent so much of my time rooting and testing ROMs to make sure I have a consistent user experience.
I look at Apple; the structure and consistency they have in regards to software updates. The first gen iPad received updates until iOS 5 for two years. Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away. For example, there has yet to be a legitimate Spotify (which I use daily), twitter, Facebook tablet app. Even the official apps they do have for "tablets" are weak in the user interface compared to iPad apps.
I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware and they are running terrible skinned versions of the OS. I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
You have a very good point on it, I couldn't agree more with it.
But regarding the distribution of Android, I think that if the OS had to be the same on every phone/tablet, there wouldn't have a reason to exist so many different devices, it would be like Apple's iOS and its devices.
What makes the platform interesting is the fact that anyone can use it and alter some elements of it, a thing that you don't have in the strict control that Apple has on iOS.
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I agree with you in certain points - as for update procedures in general.
I am still very annoyed by the update politics of the Transformer, since the officially offered upgrades caused so
many troubles for me, as random reboots and freezing ,......
On top of it, skilled people in this forum then manage to get nice kernels and ROMs done which are just
much better in performance and stability compared to stock, that you really do wonder who the heck ASUS is hiring
I found finally a stable combo for me based on ICS but failed so far for JB.
I am at the moment testing different JB EOS and kernel combos but experience still issues.
This can become indeed kind of boring....
Your view comparing the great support of Apple on the other hand I don't share completely. It is basically the same as for their Desktop/Laptops.
It is really so much easier to only support a handfulll of devices than thousands of different combinations. Sure, you have a point that
you benefit when you choose one of their devices. But bluntly I become afraid of the growing power of Apple, since I really embrace choice.
Their are always people who prefer a certain different device because it helps their needs ( look at all the different screen sizes for Android and
then check Apple), me I prefer e.g. HW keyboard for a mobile phone.
But then I prefer as well Linux and the choice to put together your preferred OS over a non-customizable MacOSX ...
BTW: I own as well Apple devices and this is not supposed to become a flame thread, please
At the end of the day its down to us as individuals what we buy.
The reviews are not always impartial but certainly a good starting point, but i find researching any product i buy before hand a must now a days.
Great example was when i had bought my gtab - if i had read about it properly i would have know Samsung are one of the worst for updates.....but then again none of the manufacturers promise any future upgrades - maybe again we are just expecting something that we were never told we were going to get??
Never had an issue with my TF but i agree you should not have to rely on a developers site to get "improved" versions of the software - but if i had an Ipad i would have no doubt jailbroken it to improve my ipad experience aswel, just like ive done in the past with ipod touches etc. Would i get another TF - yes - im looking to get the Infinity as i still feel that the Asus TF fits my needs and is still one of the best supported tablets out there.
So the moral of the story is nothings perfect, the infos out there......we just need to be a little more astute as individuals and put the time into looking at the pros and cons before we buy. We spend the money and make the choice - not Google, Asus or Apple.:good:
ultmontra08 said:
I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer.
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That's more or less impossible unless you managed to corrupt the first few EMMC blocks that contain the apx mode code. Which you have to know what you're doing to wipe.
Boot into apx mode, install the naked apx driver, then use Easyflasher to flash back to stock
ultmontra08 said:
In my haste to, you know, have the newest version of Android running on my Transformer, I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer. There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues
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ultmontra08 said:
I would not have spent so much of my time rooting and testing ROMs to make sure I have a consistent user experience.
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ultmontra08 said:
I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing
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You don't need to update Android unless it's a big jump like going from Honeycomb to Ice Cream Sandwich going to all that trouble to Root, Install a custom Recovery, Install a custom ROM for a minor update like Jelly Bean is silly what could you possibly need from Jelly Bean that Ice Cream Sandwich can't already do I bet the only reason is "It's the latest" and Asus are officially going to release Jelly Bean for the Transformer.
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There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues.
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Unfortunately if you want to use something other then the stock ROM it's a process of trial and error I tried Android Revolution HD ROM for example (popular ROM) and had problems with my Transformer not responding in sleep mode and random reboots I found that Cyanogenmod was stable for my device every device is different so the trial and error process is unavoidable.
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IMO, the fault is split between Google and the hardware manufacturers. Google should force manufacturers to ship phones and tablets with stock Android. It is Google's system and they should have the control to do that.
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I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
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Google Android is licensed as an open source operating system so Google doesn't have any power to tell manufactures they can't make their own version of Android to sell with their hardware or when you receive updates that's all the manufacturer.
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since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware.
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Asus have actually been great with Android updates for the Transformer just a bit slow.
ultmontra08 said:
The manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves for not being able to release an update to the latest OS within a few weeks of the release, jellybean, and on a tablet that was only launched in the US in April 2011.
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You don't understand that it takes time to develop and test a new operating system on a device the process isn't as simple as you think it is you wouldn't want to suddenly get an update from Asus and then be complaining that it's unstable would you?.
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there has yet to be a legitimate twitter, Facebook tablet app
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If you are using a Tablet the screen is wide enough to be able to acceptably use a web browser for these tasks so you don't really need a specific App developed, it's really only necessary for Mobile due to small screens.
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I look at Apple; the structure and consistency they have in regards to software updates. The first gen iPad received updates until iOS 5 for two years. Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away.
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If you prefer Apple feel free to switch but while having a range of hardware options does have it's down falls it gives you and developers more freedom and choice where as Apple will always have a small limited choice range.
Just get a Windows Phone or Windows 8 tablet. I am too, one of those who are totally sick about Android.
You know, I bought Asus Transformer TF101 right on launch and YOU HAVE NO idea how excited I am. But things started to change after using it for a day, lags, crashes, limited apps.
I've been waiting and waiting for months before ICS came, but a lot of issues are still left unresolved. Asus firmware is very prone to crashes.
I've been flashing ROM after ROM and wasted so many days on this... No way I will ever get an Android again.
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Just get a Windows Phone ....
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Talk about limited apps...
Eh, the way I look at it, ill have this tablet forever and by the time its so scratched and old I can give it to my kids and I can get the latest and greatest NEXUS having learned my lesson buying non NEXUS.
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im on jb rom from team EOS, this is the only jb rom i use until now. using nova launcher makes it almost perfect buttery smooth (perfect without Widgets on the screen) .
it's easy to find good rom without having to try all of them. just read people's comment. go to last page and see how many complaints user's has.
Using the EOS build 74 with KAT 1.4 and nothing else yields a Transformer that works perfectly for me minus the GPS. I know that people with the dock have a different set of issues but honest, my TF with EOS and KAT runs better than any stock ROM. The difference is amazing. Web browsing is very very fast, I can play all my 720P videos via SMB streaming with BSplayer.
So after more than a year my TF works as I expected it to out of the box.
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I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer.
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Have you tried Wheelie?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1676845
Android Revolution HD and be done with it. Why the need for the latest and greatest when you can use what works? I used to be an HTC fanboy, until I got the mytouch 4g slide. I hated that phone so much. I love Sense, but just the phone was.... eh. I'm very happy with my Galaxy S3. I feel like I should have opted for the Nexus, but I'm happy with my purchase.
I still have a G1 sitting on my dresser with a charged battery just in case I feel like rockin it oldschool. I'm an OG Android user. Been using android ever since the release of the G1. I do love vanilla android, but what Samsung did with TouchWiz is just short of amazing. I used to run MIUI on my HTC Vision, I ran it for a few hours on my S3, and had to go back to TouchWiz!!
And what was posted earlier, why are you using apps on a tablet when the browser works perfectly for all those websites? Apps are more of a phone thing, screen sizes sub-5"
The update from Honeycomb to ICS was a huge one and we got it, it was not bug free but good enough to get developers working. JB is not that big update unless you need Google Now.
wow i dont know where to start. i really dont want to turn this into an ios vs android flame war. but youre completly out of your mind. first of all you have to look at it from the carriers, hardware manf, and googles point of veiw.
now hardware manuf. , and carriers have it in their best interest to not release updates for all the previous gen devices from a year or two ago, even if they are capable of running the new versions. this way the new devices look more attractive to current and potential customers.
another thing is that you cant really compare the updates from iphone-iphone3g-iphone3gs-iphone4-iphone4s-iphone5-and probably in a couple months the iphone5s that wont do anything more exciting than the last model did. same thing with the ipads. before you know it you have a drawer full of iphones that look the same and dont really do anything different.
then you have android. approx 800,000 new android devices are activated every day. EVERY EFFIN DAY. now thats insane.
how many devices that didnt originally come with ios can now run ios better than they ran their org stock os? for example there are tons of devices that came stock with windows mobile/symbian/webos etc etc and they can now run many different versions of android.
my htc HD, my htc HD2, my hp touchpad, and those are just the ones ive owned. theres tons of others that were given new life because of android and the dev community.
another thing that doesnt make sense is how you can blame google, and the hardware manufacturers and the carriers for 3rd party apps that they have no involvement in. there are millions of developers making millions of apps for millions of devices. its not googles job to make sure they run perfectly on every device. thats the deveolpers fault if facebook app works better on one device than it does on another.
you see iphone and ipad apps dont really have that problem because all the devices are exactly the same. screen size/resolution doesnt change very much at all, and new features are a bore. "oh yay the new iphone can make face time calls over a cell connection and isnt limited to wifi anymore" so what they should have been able to do that years ago.
its also not googles or the hardware manuf. fault if you knowingly go against their waranty terms and screw up your device. thats the risk you knew was there. and its part of the learning process. things like unlocking bootloaders, building custom roms, modifying hardware, cross compiling drivers and kernels, overclocking, and overall getting he most out of your device, is not for kids.
yes the typical ios fanboy just wants to get his facebook updates and be able to locate the nearest starbucks, or genius bar, just by asking siri.
but the android dev comunity and the devices they work on are doing it right. why should you be told what you can and cant do with your device? why should you pay more for a device that only does less. why should you sleep on the sidewalk for 7 days to be first in line to get the new lame updated iphone that costs double and doesnt do double.
the hp touchpad is a great example of an awesome device that was on sale for 99-150 dollars from hp. it currently runs ICS like a champ, and will be getting JB roms that rock. i also have a tf101 asus that runs JB eos like WHOA! overclocked on both cores, awesome tegra2 chip. expandable memory, AND A NORMAL HEADPHONE PORT AND USB PORT. even a nice little hdmi port. its an old device already and it still blows he doors off any current gen ipad.
then theres the newer mk802 devices and hackberry A10 boards that will do anything a high end smartphone will do for 50 bucks and hooks right up to your tv. LETS see apple tv or roku do that.
bottom line is that you dont understand how this really works, and youre getting frustrated and giving up instead of learning and becoming better and the tech.
YOU EITHER MASTER TECHNOLOGY OR TECHNOLOGY WILL MASTER YOU!! thats all for now.
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Using the EOS build 74 with KAT 1.4 and nothing else yields a Transformer that works perfectly for me minus the GPS. I know that people with the dock have a different set of issues but honest, my TF with EOS and KAT runs better than any stock ROM. The difference is amazing. Web browsing is very very fast, I can play all my 720P videos via SMB streaming with BSplayer.
So after more than a year my TF works as I expected it to out of the box.
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yeah i just updated with eos jb rom today and its so much faster than the stock asus ics rom. i was really surprise, because its still got a ways to go.
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Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away.
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just to clarify a couple of things. There's no such thing as Android Manufacturers. well i guess with the exception of googles devices that they release is as close as you could come to calling them and android manufacturer, but the rest are not Android manufacturers. and when you think about it the screen sizes are usually pretty consistent even across different hardware manuf. you had 2.8"/3.5"/3.8"/ 4.2's were common for a while. now youre seeing mini tablet/phones in the 4.7-5+ range. but there arent that many sizes to worry about development wise. same with tablets. 7"-8"-9.7"-10.1" etc etc. same with the cpu and gpu arcitecture. you got your arms, your tegras, your mali 400's, etc etc theres an android device for everyone for anything.
i also love how my buddies iphone 5 wont display netflix properly or pandora correctly on the new screen size/dimension. maybe the iphone5s ver. 2.1 will have fixed that. in a couple years.
I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware and they are running terrible skinned versions of the OS. I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
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the general public doesnt care that their phones arent getting the newest rom/kernel versions although alot of them do. android seems to realease new versions as the hardware advances. they grow with the advancing power and abilities of devices. you wouldnt really expect a first generation tmobile g1 to run the latest jellybean version would you? its almost as if the hardware cannot really come out faster than the os to support it. everytime you hear of a new android version theres a whole new generation of way better spec'd devices that shortly follow. sorta opposite of apple, they release devices that are barely on par with devices that were released over 6 months ago or longer. if carriers dont want o update devices in order to entice customers to upgrade then i understand that. theyre in business to make a profit. i really dont see how restricting and limiting android would help in any way at all. thats the great thing about android. its just linux with a few things on top. and that is the nail in the coffin right there. unlimited customization and hackability.
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AMEN!
I, as with many on this forum, have been anxiously awaiting the release of ICS for my Atrix4G.
Well, I now have a completely different attitude about the update. I will NOT be installing it onto my phone. Why?
My wife owns an Atrix2...a few days ago we received the official OTA update for ICS. It installed beautifully. I was very excited to get to play around with it and looked forward to trying out all the new features, which, are nice.
BUT...It became obvious very quickly that Adobe Flash was not supported with this update. I could not believe it, in fact I REFUSED to believe it so I spent most of the night trying to work around that fact. I found some work arounds, but nothing that really worked.
I tried a couple APK files for Flash 11, and although it did technically install it, the results were mixed. Some flash objects worked fine, but most did not. It seems flash video (streaming tv etc...) were the worst, most of which lock the browsers up. (tried stock, dolphin, opera, firefox)
I know this is not a big deal to many of you, but for my wife and I, we use our phone browsers quite a bit, and embedded flash content is a big part of that experience. To not have it is a major fail for us. I would never had installed the OTA had I realized the degree to which it would impact the delivery of that particular content.
After spending most of my evening reading up on this topic ( I really wish I would have read about these issues before hand) I am very aware of the argument Adobe is making. It is up to the content providers to stop using flash and move to a better delivery mechanism. I get that. But it comes at the cost of usability for the user.
Unfortunately for me, by accepting this update, my device has been "downgraded", in my wife and I's opinion. And to us, that is all that matters. As non-technical consumers we don't care or need to know about "legacy compatibility" or "resource intensity". What we care about are the blank boxes on the majority of the websites we visit where there should be content and now there is either an error message, or a completely locked browser. That is what is important to us.
You may not feel the same, everyone has different opinions and needs for their phones. Our was the ability to reliably surf the web and experience all the features that my desktop can. Until this update, those needs were met perfectly. That is no longer the case, and it is a shame, no matter who is a fault.
So, in summary, after experiencing ICS on the Atrix 2, I will NOT be installing it on my Atrix4G. At least not until either Adobe, the content providers, Moto or Google get back on the same page, because what it happening now just plain sucks. The rest of the update is nice, but to my Wife and I, flash content honestly is a big deal.
Hope this helps someone, as I am sure it would have made me think twice had I read his before updating mine.
Flame away.
Pretty sure adobe have stopped supporting flash now so ICS and JB don't have it
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I, as with many on this forum, have been anxiously awaiting the release of ICS for my Atrix4G.
Well, I now have a completely different attitude about the update. I will NOT be installing it onto my phone. Why?
My wife owns an Atrix2...a few days ago we received the official OTA update for ICS. It installed beautifully. I was very excited to get to play around with it and looked forward to trying out all the new features, which, are nice.
BUT...It became obvious very quickly that Adobe Flash was not supported with this update. I could not believe it, in fact I REFUSED to believe it so I spent most of the night trying to work around that fact. I found some work arounds, but nothing that really worked.
I tried a couple APK files for Flash 11, and although it did technically install it, the results were mixed. Some flash objects worked fine, but most did not. It seems flash video (streaming tv etc...) were the worst, most of which lock the browsers up. (tried stock, dolphin, opera, firefox)
I know this is not a big deal to many of you, but for my wife and I, we use our phone browsers quite a bit, and embedded flash content is a big part of that experience. To not have it is a major fail for us. I would never had installed the OTA had I realized the degree to which it would impact the delivery of that particular content.
After spending most of my evening reading up on this topic ( I really wish I would have read about these issues before hand) I am very aware of the argument Adobe is making. It is up to the content providers to stop using flash and move to a better delivery mechanism. I get that. But it comes at the cost of usability for the user.
Unfortunately for me, by accepting this update, my device has been "downgraded", in my wife and I's opinion. And to us, that is all that matters. As non-technical consumers we don't care or need to know about "legacy compatibility" or "resource intensity". What we care about are the blank boxes on the majority of the websites we visit where there should be content and now there is either an error message, or a completely locked browser. That is what is important to us.
You may not feel the same, everyone has different opinions and needs for their phones. Our was the ability to reliably surf the web and experience all the features that my desktop can. Until this update, those needs were met perfectly. That is no longer the case, and it is a shame, no matter who is a fault.
So, in summary, after experiencing ICS on the Atrix 2, I will NOT be installing it on my Atrix4G. At least not until either Adobe, the content providers, Moto or Google get back on the same page, because what it happening now just plain sucks. The rest of the update is nice, but to my Wife and I, flash content honestly is a big deal.
Hope this helps someone, as I am sure it would have made me think twice had I read his before updating mine.
Flame away.
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i have the latest adobe flash sideloaded on my installation of CM10, and it works like it should for me. I have yet to try it on the ICS leak, but all i did was install the .apk i found from Adobe's website, and lo and behold, it works
Well it took you only a year to figure out that Adobe dropped support for flash in mobile... This is one of the most delayed rants ever. In any case, No need to worry if you're using official updates only, since Motorola cancelled the ICS OTA for the Atrix 4G..
Wait, you'll ditch the entire ICS/JB because of something as crappy as Adobe Flash? Dunno, makes no sense to me. Flash is trash and the fact you guys visit so many flash sites is just plain unfortunate.
Also, Adobe has dropped support for Flash on Android long time ago. Has nothing to do with ICS or JB or Motorola or anything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31311769&postcount=368
So I don't really see your point...
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That makes no sense whatsoever..
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Again, if Flash content is not part of your everyday mobile web experience, then I am sure it would not make sense to you.
But it is to us. I don't care if flash sucks or not. The fact that it is still a major delivery system on most websites that I visit makes dropping ICS sound sensible to me.
The majority of news stations (that I visit anyway) that have streaming content still use flash. That is not in my control. What was in my control was the OTA update that I now regret installing.
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The fact that it is still a major delivery system on most websites that I visit makes dropping ICS sound sensible to me.
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It would be if flash support had anything to do with ICS. Like I said above (sorry, edited my post), flash is no longer available on Google Play, whoever got it has it, others must make do with other methods. So if you were still on GB and didn't have flash installed, you'd be just as screwed now.
Well, i know for sure that iOS and WP doesn't support flash, so not sure what are you going to do. Android just went with everyone else about Flash. In reality, Flash is a resource hog. Im kind of happy that they removed Flash, even though it was a selling point for Android.
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It would be if flash support had anything to do with ICS. Like I said above (sorry, edited my post), flash is no longer available on Google Play, whoever got it has it, others must make do with other methods. So if you were still on GB and didn't have flash installed, you'd be just as screwed now.
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If you do not have flash installed and you are still on GB, you can still install it via APK (there are plenty of those around) and it will work just as good as if you installed it before Aug 15th (the Google Play cutoff).
Unfortunately this is not the case if you are on ICS, regardless if you had previously installed it on GB, it just does not work well on ICS at all.
What it boils down to is until the web content providers migrate away from Flash and move to a delivery system that is cross compatible between Android, iOS, PC Web, the mobile web user is going to have a large void in accessible content. Especially if you visit mainstream sites much like me and my wife.
Remember, not everyone uses their device for the same reasons, nor do they visit the same sites. What may seem trivial to one may not be to another.
With respect to Atrix4G being cancelled. I am sorry that I missed that announcement. The last I read they changed it from 3rd QTR to "To be determined" or something like that, which was the same timeline they gave the Atrix2, and it now has it.
Wasn't adobe flash still supported in ICS?
What do you use flash for? Homestar Runner?
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Where's my Shockwave support ???
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Wasn't adobe flash still supported in ICS?
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The statements that I read from Adobe were that it would work for ICS 4.0.x. I have 4.0.4 and it does not work, for what it is worth.
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The statements that I read from Adobe were that it would work for ICS 4.0.x. I have 4.0.4 and it does not work, for what it is worth.
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Cool. I guess we have modifiable, open-sourced iPhones now.
Thing is, most sites that want attention, especially from mobile users, create apps or mobile-friendly sites. Even my University caught on to that. Mobile tech is where the money's at and my opinion is that Adobe will have to rely on their Creative Suite software for income in the very near future.
Try looking for Adobe 10.3 or older. The APKs are floating all over the xda forums. Not sure it'll help but it's been known to work best for situations like when CM7 didn't have good flash support unless using 10.3 or older.
Flash is heavily used by most of the on-demand/catchup services in the UK, only the BBC have provided an alternative.
I am still somewhat pissed it is no longer supported, resource hog or not I would rather have something that works than sitting there without something because of battery life etc. Gps, high resolution screens, 3g and games all use resources and battery, if we took apple's approach to flash, we would still have nokia 3310s
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Try looking for Adobe 10.3 or older. The APKs are floating all over the xda forums. Not sure it'll help but it's been known to work best for situations like when CM7 didn't have good flash support unless using 10.3 or older.
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Thank you for that suggestion, I will do just that.
I have mixed feelings about Flash. I love it for animations, yet hate it for everything else. Except games, I'm fine with Flash games.
Blame Adobe. They are a crap company who makes overpriced software and regularly takes a dump on any platform that is not Windows or Mac.
What he really wants guys is to all of you look at his point of view what you all are not really doing.
Like 2 or 3 said before in old post of this thread resource hog or not (Battery eater) some people like flash and use it as their everyday, sometimes I used Adoble Flash in my Atrix many times and it worked really well, shame I don't have my Atrix anymore.