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SMS messages are being resent over and over again

I just flashed my Cingular 8125 to TNT.20273 "Professional Home Free" and I am having a serious problem with SMS: Every message I have sent since the flash (4 of them) keep getting resent over and over again. After a soft reset, the messages will get resent the instant I open the Messaging app to the SMS account. Even without a soft reset it seems to resend them every so often.
My best guess is this is some sort of feature where it is not getting a delivery receipt so it's resending the messages. Does anyone know how to fix this?
I am on AT&T.

it's been reported by many that if one have apps set to really close rather then minimize
and close outlook before one recieve the msg is sendt notification
that the msg is sendt more then once

My apps are not set to close rather than minimize. And this isn't just sending them "more than once" - it's tons and tons of times. Those 4 SMS I sent yesterday have been resent literally over a dozen times over the last 12 hours.

First of all, you most likely DO have a program that closes apps. It's part of the Pro Edition, and it's probably part of the build you installed too, and it's called "CloseApps." Even though your symptoms are worse than most people who experience this kind of fault, it's still the same type of fault, and is probably being caused by CloseApps.
Try posting your issue on the TNT.20273 thread. The one that cooked that ROM may have already addressed this issue, and if not, you might get some debug help from that person, or at least get help from people who use that ROM.
Posting on a generalist board like this might net you good info, but usually it won't.

Same problem. Solved by flashing another ROM (WM6.1.Rus.Clean)

the way to verify if it's the close program which cause it is to not close poutlook
untill after the msg was sendt notification is recieved

a number of other programs cause this problem as well, including spb pocket plus

scousemartin said:
a number of other programs cause this problem as well, including spb pocket plus
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Which, I believe, is also part of the package that OP installed.

It is definitely NOT caused by the problem you guys are saying, as I have send an SMS, and left Outlook open all day and that same SMS gets resent several times. It will literally never stop sending until I delete the SMS and then remove it from my deleted items.
The problem appears to be that I am never getting the message receipt notification. I get the notice that it has been sent but I never get one saying that it was received, even though I turned that option on.
However, you're probably right that it's caused by the build I got so I'll just switch to a different one for now.
Thanks for educating this noob out.

when I have this problem I find that the text is stuck in the sent items folder....just delete to remedy issue....

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[Q] Issue with txts going to the wrong person magically...?

When you have a text log with the original person? I have noticed it shows up in the notification tray under 1 name and then under the actual msg app its to the right person but it makes me scared at times who the last txt REALLY went too..
In the stock messaging app (all I use) Ill start a txt conversation with person x then down the line it'll send the next to person y... idk if it was a confusion between the linked fbook accounts but it almost got me in trouble so now for safety sake I dont have fbook linked to contacts...
Anyone notice this or is it just me?

Sorry to hear this. If its the same two contacts each time, I'd suspect your two contacts may have automatically linked or merged phone numbers. Inspect each one's details for the other's phone number. For example, I found that two contacts who shared the same email were merged, completely deleting one's name entirely.
I'm using Handcent myself so not sure if this would be related, but I've found that text messages received from one particular number (my bank's alerts) always appear as another contact (a friend) in the initial pop-up alert but then appear correctly in Handcent's actual message threads. I've since swapped and rebuilt the handset to no avail. This issue remains a mystery.
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not the same contact. Thats what I originally thought it was something merged weird but its random. so I am not too sure but it makes me whery what I send to certain ppl. For some reason im friends with enemies of the other friend so saying 1 thing starts a fight btwn the 2.. lol I cant win.

same problem, HTC EVO, seems like it goes to a random person, facebook contact or not.

This is a huge problem and is related to the Android platform, not just the Vibrant. You can find more information in the following two links:
1. www.google.com.vn/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=345259e6d424bad3&hl=en
2. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392
The best thinking that we have on the problem so far is that it is in the ComposeMessageActivity.java file. But it would be great to get more eyes looking over the code to try to get this one licked.
Note: A 3rd party app may make the situation better, but will not resolve it. Best solution is that if you receive a text or e-mail message (or anything that plays with the notification bar or takes focus from what you're typing), quit your message and start over.

This scares the hell out of me. Is there any specific instance when this always happens?

Strange, never had this problem and I've been using Android since the G1. There must be something you are doing or a setting you have that specifically triggers it.

There's nothing related to Facebook - I don't have anything linked on my phone. And I never had this issue on my G1, but I also didn't start screwing with the Vibrant until recently, so it's not something I'm "doing" - it's happened within weeks of getting the Vibrant on launch day.
It can be quite scary. Luckily my friends getting msgs meant for my wife hasn't bit me in the ass yet. But if it ever gets mixed up going to a female friend, I could see this not working out in my best interests, ya know?
-bZj

I've had the same problem on my vibrant and my g1. What I've noticed is that if I send a nescafe to person A then receive a message from person B and access that message by using the notification bar and answer person B, the message can go to person A (the last person I sent to.) I've found that if I remember to not use the notification bar and only access messaging by using the icon, I haven't had the problem. Not the best solution but at least it seems to work.

This could be bad
This could be bad especially if you have more than one girlfriend

Omg glad im not the only one. Had to couch it one night cuz of this issue. Now i only text my girl from my phone. Everyone else i text through gv lol.

I use the notification bar all the time and occasionally reply to the weekend person but that's just because I didn't press on the right notification...

yea i had this happen to me as well. luckily or unluckily a txt i was sending to a girl whom i was fooling around with got sent to a girl i had just met 3 days prior. after that needless to say she wouldnt talk to me waa waaa. it was prob a random bug introduced in earlier builds.. say around a month and a half ago. oh yea i had about 12 threads running around 50 a piece.. maybe that had something to do with that and maybe the random stuttering of the vibrant when too many programs are running. Havent had that happen again thankfully but one would have to say.. slow down on the texting sometimes lol

vinnydakid said:
This scares the hell out of me. Is there any specific instance when this always happens?
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The evidence seems to suggest that the problem is in the ComposeMessageActivity.java file, which means it is not SMS Client related. Said differently, using a 3rd party SMS client might reduce the likelihood of the problem but does not eliminate it.
Now, to answer your question. It seems like the problem happens when multiple threads or events happen when using SMS. For example, it might happen when you are editing a message and when you receive a SMS text message. (It is more likely if you use the notification bar to pull down the message rather than navigating to it in the SMS client.) The good news is that people are trying to reliably reproduce the problem so that we can troubleshoot and fix the problem. (See my earlier post in this thread for a link of those discussions).
kangxi said:
Strange, never had this problem and I've been using Android since the G1. There must be something you are doing or a setting you have that specifically triggers it.
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Based on the review of the code, one fix seems to have been made to the 2.2 code branch. However, people using 2.2 have indicated that they are still experiencing the problem. The problem is in the library. However, there is a very unique set of circumstances that have to occur before you see the problem. It's quite possible that people who haven't seen this problem yet just use the UI in such a way that the problem doesn't show up.

98classic said:
Omg glad im not the only one. Had to couch it one night cuz of this issue. Now i only text my girl from my phone. Everyone else i text through gv lol.
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i second that. this glitch can be nasty. hopefully it will be addressed soon. GV for the win.

I have the same issue here. It will show one name but have a conversation for another, or the name and the convo are right, but the picture is wrong.

I think I found a solution to the thing. Been getting it a LOT and pissed me off on more than a single occasion.
So. If you are talking to someone and SUDDENLY receive a text message from that person but when you open it, it changes the name of the contact to someone else or ....I guess everyone who has experienced it KNOWS what it looks like. So when you GET IT, open it, then CLOSE the whole messaging app. Then restart it and it should fix itself and be back to texting the right person. If it doesn't (or if you want to be on the safe side), kill the messaging app with a task killer or task manager and restart it.
This has fixed it recently for me. Had it happen a total of about 15 times, with me finding and using the trick about the latest 5 times and it worked every time.
Note that I AM running Bionix Fusion 1.0 with Voodoo if that makes any bit of a difference.

[Q] SMS Random Selection Bug

I've been reading about this bug for awhile now and it finally hit me. What happens is if contact A sends you a txt message and you respond. The message thread will show that your response went to contact A, but the reality is that A may not have received the response, however C,D,E,F, Z,Y and X did! It seems to be totally random, will happen regardless of the SMS app or ROM you use and can be quite dangerous. This bug renders my N1 virtually useless. Anyone else experience this or has an update on the fix for this dangerous bug?
I recommend anyone with an Android phone to be use extreme caution when sending txts or mms messages as you never know who may actually get it

Have read about it, but it's never happened to me.

Can you reproduce the bug reliably?
Can you dump the logs (/proc/kmsg and logcat, or bugreport) immediately after it happens?
Any pattern connecting recipient A and the rest?

Nightmare!
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How come that not even one person from those reporting having "this bug", wants to help find out, what it is? Very interesting.

I have found that using handcent resolves this problem for me.
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My wife have experienced the problem twice with Galaxy S, I haven't have similar troubles with my N1, although every now and then it takes time for some messages to go through. That is probably due the carrier, not the device.
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The only trouble with messaging i have is that sometimes when i select to open the thread at the top of the list, the one at the very bottom of the screen opens. Frustrating!!!

cymru said:
The only trouble with messaging i have is that sometimes when i select to open the thread at the top of the list, the one at the very bottom of the screen opens. Frustrating!!!
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I have this too in a pre 6.1 nightly...
But it's not the first time i hear the bug that SMS are sent to everyone, so it definitely exist
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I saw the "reports" on the net popping up once in a huge while, but I never saw anyone that would report this bug and actually try to solve it, or assist anyone in solving it. Doesn't look like a normal bug report to me, and doesn't look like there is a bug. I know over 15 people with all kinds of Android, at least 6 with Nexus, and it never happened to anyone. The "bug" looks very fishy.

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I saw the "reports" on the net popping up once in a huge while, but I never saw anyone that would report this bug and actually try to solve it, or assist anyone in solving it. Doesn't look like a normal bug report to me, and doesn't look like there is a bug. I know over 15 people with all kinds of Android, at least 6 with Nexus, and it never happened to anyone. The "bug" looks very fishy.
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I can assure it is a bug and a major one. It is well documented if you google it. It appears to be across many different hardware platforms and therefore is most likely a source code issue written incorrectly in the android OS. And just because the 15 people you know aren't having the issue does not mean the rest of the world isn't. This is my 3rd android phone and this is the only one that does it and from I've been reading there are many others who are also having this random issue...I assure you, this isn't something that someone can do by mistake or accident...

In that case, if it's so well documented, how come that nobody has ever assisted anyone else in debugging it, yourself included?

It's happened to me.
I receive certain friend's facebook updates as sms. One time I got the facebook sms. I closed it then replied to another friend's sms. Guess what happened.... what I sent to my friend got sent as a comment to my friend's facebook status.
Looking back at the sms log, I definately wrote my reply to my friend, not the facebook sms, but somehow it was replied to the facebook sms.
This bug has been around since Android existed.
There's really no way to debug this I don't think, unless you only have a few contacts that will text u if you write something weird... cuz having a phone full if phone numbers, your text can be sent to any number, even non mobile phones, you wont know since you thought u texted the right person.
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There's a ton of ways to debug everything, including even specifically modified SMS app for dumping debug data - it's an open OS, yes? If I got some beta application versions for debugging from app devs to test things, I'm sure Google wouldn't do less to debug it.
For starters, the next SMS I'll check the records in kernel log and see if there's any useful data to start from there.

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In that case, if it's so well documented, how come that nobody has ever assisted anyone else in debugging it, yourself included?
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Well I think you bring up two entirely non-related issues... First, if you google it, you will find a vast amount of people all having that same issue, which in my mind establishes the "well documented" part of my statement. Secondly, as far as me or anyone else participating in debugging, I would love to, but it's a little out of my sphere of knowledge. If you could give me a little insight into what needs to be done, I would be more than happy to do what I can to help solve the problem. This $500 phone is totally useless to me if I can't be certain who will be receiving my txt messages. Mainly, I've been waiting and watching in the hopes that google would get involved and resolve this issue without my having to get involved. It would appear that this goes back a considerable amount of time.
Can you list out a step by step process to go about this so that all who are having this issue can also participate? What should be my next step

To even try to start with debug, you have to have a rooted phone.
The useful place to look at would be /proc/kmsg. The question is - how much data it contains after sending sms. I didn't try to dump it after SMSing yet, didn't have time for it. I'll try to find time over the weekend.
If it won't contain enough data, modification in SMS application is needed, to dump the data there to help with debug. This is much harder for me, because I'm not an app dev, and I'll have a hard time trying to find and understand the relevant data structures to dump there. Basically, when you hit "reply", some kind of indicator of current SMS thread needs to be dumped, and everything else that might result in wrong number being selected - all the chain that determines the number that the SMS goes to. Then, once the SMS was sent to wrong recipient, the info needs to be dumped and checked.
The later part is "slightly" beyond my skills. It requires knowledge of SMS application and its data structures.
It obviously happens only to those that have their Facebook contacts integrated, so the mechanisms that take care of joined contacts might be something to look at.

It never happened to me, and I've sent 12000 sms from my Nexus. Try using Handcent until this is officially fixed. Handcent is free and many people say it's not affected by the bug.

Jack_R1 said:
To even try to start with debug, you have to have a rooted phone.
The useful place to look at would be /proc/kmsg. The question is - how much data it contains after sending sms. I didn't try to dump it after SMSing yet, didn't have time for it. I'll try to find time over the weekend.
If it won't contain enough data, modification in SMS application is needed, to dump the data there to help with debug. This is much harder for me, because I'm not an app dev, and I'll have a hard time trying to find and understand the relevant data structures to dump there. Basically, when you hit "reply", some kind of indicator of current SMS thread needs to be dumped, and everything else that might result in wrong number being selected - all the chain that determines the number that the SMS goes to. Then, once the SMS was sent to wrong recipient, the info needs to be dumped and checked.
The later part is "slightly" beyond my skills. It requires knowledge of SMS application and its data structures.
It obviously happens only to those that have their Facebook contacts integrated, so the mechanisms that take care of joined contacts might be something to look at.
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This is why I haven't, as you say, participate in resolving the issue...the level of of debugging required to get to the source of the problem is deeper than a non-developer like myself can go. And for the record, this is NOT related to the facebook app in anyway as I do not even have that app installed. This is 100% an Android code issue...

Are all your contacts Gmail-synced contacts?
Does it happen frequently enough to try to debug?

This is what happens with my N1:
I get a new text message, alerted in my notification bar
Rather than open it from the notification bar, I open the messaging app and tap the first message (just a habit, I guess)
The ninth message opens instead of the first one​
I'm not sure if this happens every single time, but it does happen frequently.
I'm wondering if it might be a bug in CyanogenMod instead, I've only started noticing it recently.
PS: I do not have a Facebook account nor any accounts synced with it. The only contacts I sync are my Google contacts.

All SMSes disappeared with no warning...

I had the phone for a week now, did couple of factory resets (when playing around with stuff), and yesterday morning I permrooted and HBOOTed the phone...
The phone overall works great, really no complaints, but 10 minutes ago I receive an SMS and open up Messages, and the only SMS I have the in whole app is the one that I have received...so all my SMSes (5834 to be precise) have vanished into thin air...
I am doing another restore right now, thank god I have it on the card...
It's pretty worrying that the phone would be so unrealiable to erase information...
There are two more guys with DHDs on AndroidForum with the same issue:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-support-troubleshooting/214946-sms-have-all-disappeared.html
Has any1 else had that happen?

happened a few times to me too, but cannot trace it down to a specific reason...
this IS annoying and forces me to backup my sms on a daily basis!

Wow, that definitely blows...and you have stock DHD, so rooting/HBOOT mods are definitely not the reason...
If it will be a regular occurence I might as well throw the phone in the trash, coz to backup 5000+ SMSes on daily basis, no thank you...
iPhone had no issues with all those SMSes for years, it can't be the sheer number of them...

Nope not to do with size as it happend to me and i only had 300-400 texts altogether before it happened. Btw when it happened to you did ur messages app FC then u have to restart only to find no texts?

Whoa this worries me, how should I go about backing up my messages? I'm all synced with HTC Sense, won't that keep em backed up?

bratfink said:
Btw when it happened to you did ur messages app FC then u have to restart only to find no texts?
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Elaborate on the question a little bit for me, I didn't quite understand you!
I received a SMS, and I just wanted to send a text back, pressed Messages only to find it's completely blank.
Restarted the phone and nothing still blank.
I also had an issue with it today that it didn't store calls I made in Call History, after I restarted it, it started working again though.
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Whoa this worries me, how should I go about backing up my messages? I'm all synced with HTC Sense, won't that keep em backed up?
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SMS Backup & Restore by Ritesh Sahu...it's avalabile on the market...HTC Sense can only back them up, but not restore them back to the phone (not that I know a way to anyway)...
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/sms-backup-restore
This presents a real problem for me, as it makes it a useless phone...I need a phone for calling and SMSes primarily...everything else comes second...

This happened to my Desire Z today, at around the same time as the OP.

braby said:
Elaborate on the question a little bit for me, I didn't quite understand you!
I received a SMS, and I just wanted to send a text back, pressed Messages only to find it's completely blank.
Restarted the phone and nothing still blank.
I also had an issue with it today that it didn't store calls I made in Call History, after I restarted it, it started working again though.
SMS Backup & Restore by Ritesh Sahu...it's avalabile on the market...HTC Sense can only back them up, but not restore them back to the phone (not that I know a way to anyway)...
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/sms-backup-restore
This presents a real problem for me, as it makes it a useless phone...I need a phone for calling and SMSes primarily...everything else comes second...
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There is an app in the market that you can use to backup and restore messages to and from ur gmail acc. this app also has an setting to backup an sms right away when it receives one. dont know the exact name (phone battery empty) but i found it when i was searching for backup sms in the market.
Hope this helps you.

Sorry for my vague description, here it is again in more detail
I received a text message from a friend and i received a notification in my noti-bar
I pulled the bar down and click the message, it then tried to open the messages apk
it force closed saying htc.messages.apk or something hast FC'ed...
I thought lets just restart and it will all be happy days again
I restarted and open the text fine, but when i pressed back to go into my inbox i noticed there were no other text message!
And that's exactly how it happened

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Sorry for my vague description, here it is again in more detail
I received a text message from a friend and i received a notification in my noti-bar
I pulled the bar down and click the message, it then tried to open the messages apk
it force closed saying htc.messages.apk or something hast FC'ed...
I thought lets just restart and it will all be happy days again
I restarted and open the text fine, but when i pressed back to go into my inbox i noticed there were no other text message!
And that's exactly how it happened
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Ah ok, now I got it!
As far as I can recollect there was no app crash on mine, just pulled up empty file.
I thought maybe when I restart the phone things will get back to normal (like they did with call history), but it didn't...Messages were still blank.
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This happened to my Desire Z today, at around the same time as the OP.
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Hmmm...this almost makes me wonder if this is somehow not related to HTCSense.com...
It's just weird that it happened to both of us at about the same time...
If it happens again I'll disable syncing with HTCSense (it's more or less useless anyway, I have local file backups of both), and see if it happens after that...

My HTCSense message log is completely empty, too. I don't think it ever worked.

I had this happen a few weeks back. I opened a new text message and the messages widget crashed. All my messages seem to have been deleted. I was quite concerned as my messages contain important information (I did got to the trouble of migrating them from my old phone)...an email from HTC to see if the emails were deleted (or just not visible as some have reported on other forums) and if there was a way to get them back elicited this response:
Thanks for contacting HTC.
We appreciate your support for our products.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you for bringing your concern to our attention. With regard to your question, unfortunately, once messages are deleted from the SMS widget, you can no longer retrieve it, unless you have a back up from your SD card or to your SIM card.
Should you encounter any difficulties or have any concerns we have provided, please feel free to contact us again.
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Needless to say this jumble of standard form responses did not answer my question. A further question about how I could possibly avoid this situation in the future; their response...
We appreciate your support for our products.
Thanks for the update. With regards to your concern, please be advised that this is a rare issue that happened to your phone. We will forward this concern to our technical support team for future developments. We advise you to perform a soft reset on your phone. To perform a soft reset, remove the battery, wait for a few seconds, and then re-install it. After re-installing the battery, turn on the phone.
Should you encounter any difficulties or have any concerns we have provided, please feel free to contact us again.
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Rather than bash my head further against a brick wall, I downloaded an app to forward my SMS messages to my gmail as a safe guard and copied what messages I could from the only part of HTC sense that was partially working for me.

I had the same with my HTC Desire Z
I received a SMS, and when I opened it, all my messages were gone, except for the received message.
I read in the official android bug-forum, that this might be a issue with sqlite, but it has not yet been fixed in android 2.2. luckily I just migrated everything so most of my sms are in a backup.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5669

I have had the same issue a few times with the Desire HD ROM running on my HTC HD2...this is ridiculous.

Guys, I experienced these as well. I realised that when this happens, my messages are actually in HTCSense.com... The weird thing is, before having my DHD I was using HD2 with DHD rom... Then when I got my phone 2 days ago, those sms' which were not supposed to be in this phone reappeared... All the histories I had in my HD2 were in... I suppose this is an act of HTCSense.com...

me too!
This happened to me a few days ago..
I went to reply to a text message that I'd forgotten about and my list was blank!
I went to create a new text and it popped up saying the messages app had crashed.. I killed the process and no luck - crashed again.
Restarted the phone and the messages were still gone..
In terms of non-stock apps/configuration that may be worth mentioning I have:
Android Task Killer
Superuser/VISIONary
Titanium Backup
The only other thing I have done is enabled usb diagnostics (recommended in another thread to stop the occasional lag).
Anyone got any ideas?

Now it happend to me, too!
Performed a hard reset on tuesday and everything went finse since than. SMS were automaticly backed up from HTCSense. But 10 Minutes ago all my text massages were gone... They are still on my HTCSense account - but how to restore???
Thats a mess...

Tough luck guys!
I guess I won't be logging in to HTC Sense anytime soon

Tried to restore my SMS with my SMS BackUp programm. Got the notification "Successfully restored 119 items (2663 dups)."
But on my DHD are only the 119 sms...
Seems that there are still some left-overs the massage widget cannot read.
Ideas anyone?

Nobody an idea? or the same problem?

Strangest issue I have ever seen....

Not even sure if this is XPlay specific. I have ONE contact, one friend that if I try to text message her my messaging program FC's. I even tried deleting her and physically entering her phone number, and it FC's. Every other contact or anything else I do, works fine. I tried clearing data for messaging, tried clearing data for contacts. My phone is stock and not rooted or anything at all. Anyone ever seen this?

Your phone is just looking out for you. Stay away from her!
j/k
I've never seen this issue before...

hairdewx said:
Your phone is just looking out for you. Stay away from her!
j/k
I've never seen this issue before...
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She is a bit crazy lol, but a good friend.
I can't even imagine if it was my girlfriend that this problem was with. "Sorry sweetie I can't text you because my phone keeps crashing the text message app, but ONLY for you". That would go over real well!

That's odd.
Try using GoSMS and/or handcent sms and see if they get the same problem.

well I just made it worse...
I called her and had her text me, instead of a text coming through i get a force close message. Even better I think its jammed and trying to send it through so I'm getting the error over again every few minutes.
I think I'm gonna need to reset my phone
EDIT: it stopped after a bit. Also scrolling through my contacts I found another contact with the same issue.
EDIT #2: While typing Edit #1 I realized both are contacts that I text often. However recently I lowered my saves message limit from 100 to 50. I had manually deleted some threads including threads from these two people and they had over 100 messages. I went into messages and did a "delete all" and that cleared the issue.