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So many purchase problems, now I am thinking iphone

I have tried unsuccessfully to purchase a Wing twice now. Last night I made a bid on a third one, however so much time has passed since I have been trying to get one that I am now out of time. I lost my phone last week and need a new one by Wednesday. In order to get my phone I will have to overnight it for early arrival on Wednesday. The total cost now puts me close to 400 which is the neighborhood of an iphone. When the iphone first came out I swore it was the phone for me but I wasn’t going to spend 600 for it. They have dropped in price to 399 for the 8 gig phone. I am going to have to unlock the phone though for T-mobile service which scares me a bit. I kept pretty close tabs on the whole unlock the iphone saga when it was first being done and it seemed that there was a pretty high failure rate at that time. A quick check on eBay reveals that there are a plethora of unlocked iphones for sale which tells me that they have perfected the process. So now I am at a cross roads. I can get the iphone tomorrow from an Apple store or AT&T’s stores. The Wing will have to be sent overnight if I can convince the seller to drop everything and run down to a FedEx office. So given the pros and cons of the purchase I see a pretty close match. Maybe I should be looking at the phones themselves. The processor on the iphone is way more powerful and so is the storage space. The thing I don’t like about the iphone is that it’s a mac which means I may have issues getting software for it on the open market. Then again it’s a seriously popular device and people may be writing all sorts of tools and software for it. It doesn’t have a dedicated keyboard either which I liked about the wing. So given the choice, should I seriously stick with the Wing or should I make the switch to the iphone? Opinions count but I would like to hear some concrete facts about the differences if I am to make a logical decision. Thanks in advance.

Have you considered you can walk into a Tmobile Store and get a wing for $349?
You talk about walking into an Apple Store vs. having a Wing shipped to you.... and that seems to be the deciding factor on which phone you're going to get. If you walk into a Tmobile store, you can get a Wing for $350 plus tax .... and if you walk into an Apple store, you can get an iPhone for $399 plus tax.

actually I cant get the wing for 349. It's a real pisser and if that was true I would have done that a week ago. I lost my phone (V3 Razor) about a week ago. The first thought that came to mind was go to T-mobile and get a new phone. My second thought was to upgrade into something like the Wing. I didn't know it existed at the time, but I thought that it would be a nice iPhone substitute at 350 since I believed the iphone to be 600. As it turns out I am 10 months away from my contract ending with T-mobile. I am 8 months away from qualifying for any T-mobile phone rebates. The Wing is 499 retail with 100 instant rebate and 50 mail in all of which require 2 additional years of contract. T-mobile will not allow me to extend my contract until I am 2 months or less from my current contract expiration. So to that end and to your point, the phone is not 350 to me it is 499 to me. That is why I started my search on eBay. I thought then as I think now, I can get a better deal on the Wing through eBay. However, I had the damnedest luck on this particular auction. I bid and won my first auction about 5 days ago and have not heard 1 word from the seller regarding the close of the auction. I believe he died and luckily I hadn't sent him any money. Maybe someday I will hear from the guy but at this point he wont respond to any emails nor has he complained about me not paying for the auction. I decided to try again and won a second auction for 255 on the wing. Great deal I thought until I actually paid for the auction only to find out that he already sold the phone to another party as well as collecting payment from me too. Now I have to deal with that big pile of crap but I still need a phone. So here I am needing to win yet another auction for my wing or I can just go to an At&t store and pick up the iphone.

Tough decision to make, one that i considered also. A couple of things to note first is:
Longevity: Remember iphone 2.0 is already in the works and might drop by the end of next year. Also remember T-Mobile's 3g service should start seeing implementation beginning next year. So now the question is, how long are you planning on keeping this phone? Another thing to consider is resale value if you opt to get another phone next year. I would assume an iphone in great condition should have a higher resale value over time than the wing.
Specs: iPhone is more powerful than Wing and also has more storage, has a multitouch display that is larger and with higher resolution.
UI and OS: iPhone beats Wing hands down for STOCK UI and OS, athough it is an unfair advantage. Apple made OSX on the iPhone from the ground up. It only has one platform to work with whereas WM6 is created to be cross-platform and work for different SP, PPC, and PDA that all have different specs and components. Although the dev comm definitely did an outstanding job of making wm6 more user friendly, and with upgrades to wm6 like Shadows's UI and Android around the corner, we'll see how this develops.
Dev. Community: Apple is releasing a SDK for iPhone early next year, so you should start seeing software for iPhone given enough time. Wing has an established dev comm as you can see - xda (The best!), modaco, howardforums, and others.
Apple vs. Microsoft: Which is the lesser of two evils?
Warranty: unlock your iPhone and you just voided your warranty. At least with wing something happens to it, you should be able to have T-Mobile help you in some way. At least, i would think.
Personally, i'm happy with my Wing. It might be no iPhone, but then again no other is. It's the little device that could, and while there are more powerful phones on the market, it still holds it own. Plus i like the idea that i can abuse it more than the iPhone. I feel HTC makes quality phones and i can't wait to see if T-Mobile releases HTC Touch Cruise for its 3g service (please, please, please). Plus, it's not a F'ing Sidekick! lol.

Unless you are in dire need of a pda phone right now, i would buy a cheap phone for the time and wait until the next round of pda phones come out. Take a look at the ATT tilt, for instance, much more powerful than the wing and im sure we'll see a price drop pretty quick.

Have you considered this?
http://www.fatwallet.org/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=733578
This is where I bought my wing, when the price was $49 after rebate, now it's $79 with free bluetooth headphone. You do need to sign-up another one year contract (no activation fee, free 2-day shipping) with Tmobile though, but you can combine your twon lines to a family plan and save some $$.

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unless you are within 2 months of your current contract expiring, you can not renew your contract with tmobile. Your account must be 60 days to contract expiration before you can get any rebates or discounts applied to your phone. I have mentioned that twice so far. It's a very important tip to pass on and to keep in mind with your own upgrade decisions in the future. If I qualified for any sort of assistance I would have bought the wing long ago.
FYI..I ended up with 3 failed auctions for the wing. Very strange situatation to say the least. In the end I went with the iphone but I am starting to wonder if that was a wise choice considering all the trouble I have had with it over the last week. I attempted for 48 hours straight to hack the iphone for use on t-mobile service. Apple has released an update sometime last month that pretty much locks the phone down for the next couple of weeks or months. Someone will surely figure out a way around it but for now its damn near impossible. I decided to sign up with att service and only after a week of fooling with this phone did I finally get it working today. About 6 hours after finally getting the phone up and running did I discover that it doesnt have VOIP support. Now at first glance that might seem like a meaningless attribute but this was the primary reason for me starting this little adventure of phone upgrading. I am going to start a new thread because I have more to tell and need help in making a choice.

if you use your phone almost like laptop then you won't like the iPhone. You will for for a little while till the wow factor wares off. It's definately pretty and very nice with all its tricks but the simple things it cant do. Some 3rd party apps attempt to fix this but it doesnt work all too well.
You'll take things for granted such as browsing to a site to download something and email it as an attatchment to someone or yourself.

Just a: "Huh, that's funny"

Just a thought that came to me...
I was perusing some old posts about when the g1 came out. It seems funny to me that since the launch of the g1 and android, the people that loves the iphone (fanboys -- trying not to be flaming here - lol), How many comments about how this phone is going to die out soon and what not. I think back when the iphone came out and that was only just over 2 years ago, and the g1 is now only 3 months shy of its birthday, how many people bashed this phone.
I love this phone and most people at work would love to have one, but they aren't on t-mobile. They like what the capabilities of this phone will become and then some. I think that they were wrong to get rid of the keyboard, I like being able to type and the screen and not half hidden by a vk.
I think that the prices on the market are such that it will also bring people this this system (not just the phones). With what is coming out from the various manufactures that are makikng android phones, i think about the fact that there is only 2 phones available from the iphone....
I wonder how dead is this phone? If this OS came in a flip phone (because that is what my wife wants), then I will be more than happy to give her one. All in all, I will stick with android, not because i am a "fanboy", but because I believe in the magic of opensource and helping one another is what being human is about.
So, one last comment before I put my drunk ass to bed, dollars to doughnuts, this'll be around for awhile. I like both phones, they are basically the same under all the glitter. But, hey, everyone has a choice.
have a great 4th of july everyone, and if you are not from the USA, then I hope you have a great 4th of july also.

bodyman said:
Just a thought that came to me...
I wonder how dead is this phone?.
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The phone isn't dead, it's because T-Mobile doesn't really give a crap about their phones enough to actually market them. They also don't care about you, the consumer. Honestly, all they care about is their bottom line.
Look at any call center. Many call centers constantly run competitions for CSR's to win some widget. Sell x amount of this brand of phone and win a prize.
Know what that means? When a consumer calls in wanting a Blackberry (or whatever), the CSR is going to do whatever they can to convince you to buy phone brand x because they want to win the widget, not because they give a damn about what phone would best suite you.
Tmobile actively encourages this kind of crap and they should be ashamed.

Very true. Back in Jan someone I know went to tmo asking about the g1. The rep told him it sucks buy a blackberry, (the flip one.. pearl maybe? I dunno). That was the craziest thing I have ever heard. Bb > android? Is this guy high?.. lol needless to say he has since returned and purchased the g1 after talking to me. I just thought this to be insane.

Fellow Titan Owners...

Being owners when the phone just came out, many have found their New Every 2 to be approaching or already here. When the time comes for the new phone, what device are you leaning toward? Are you staying within the WM arena and going with a Diamond 2 or Touch 2; Webos and Palm Pre; Android and the Hero; or off to the iphone?

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Being owners when the phone just came out, many have found their New Every 2 to be approaching or already here. When the time comes for the new phone, what device are you leaning toward? Are you staying within the WM arena and going with a Diamond 2 or Touch 2; Webos and Palm Pre; Android and the Hero; or off to the iphone?
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Stick with WinMo and just upgrade to a TP2 or similar device (key is a bigger screen, at least 3.5" in the diagonal.)
Iphone or any phone on a non-WinMo operating system is a non-issue. Won't want to do without the Skyfire browser, for starters. The app WMWifiRouter is also important to me (turn phone into a wireless router accessible to multiple devices simultaneously.)
Iphone is too expensive to operate at this point - can't get an Iphone onto my $50 "unlimited everything" prepaid from Boost (Sprint CDMA) with unlimited 3G EVDO data. The same functionality I currently get out of my Titan for $50 a month would cost me around $200 a month on an Iphone plan.

Well I have been thinking about this lately...
My new every two year discount begins in December.
I could still use my Titan and wait for a Windows Mobile 7 device with a keyboard but not sure if I can wait that long.
I could get a Touch Pro 2 even though I wish there was a HD2 Pro instead.
Looking at the Pre and Droid as options too...
It's such a hard decision and hopfully there will be more leaked info on Windows Mobile 7.

Thought about the TP2. Out of stock on the website, not available locally.
Signed up for the Droid emails. We'll see what it's like when it comes out. I need a mainly business focused device (active sync, calendar, contacts), not sure if the Droid will live up to it.
I'm also on the hunt for a new rom to flash to the Titan.. (been on an old dcd rom for a long time now).

Thanks for the reply george.
I am sorta in the same boat segadc. My NE2 is up with verizon. However the Pre, Droid and Hero sparked my curiousity equally as I think I may want to jump from WinMo. The worry for me is apps. In testing a friends new jailbroken iphone, the realm of apps is limitless. The Pre, drois and Hero all have good points about them but the recent info for Pre release on Vz Network is not until early 2010. I would like to see all three fisrt hand before I decide to stay with Vz or make a jump for the iphone.

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Thought about the TP2. Out of stock on the website, not available locally.
Signed up for the Droid emails. .
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Same here. I would have had a TP2 by now if it was ever in stock. Then I started getting info on the droid and I am intrigued.
The business aspect is somewhat less important to me, so I am leaning android at this point. Though I will miss the htc tweaks...

Yeah I signed up for the Droid emails too. If I knew for sure when the first Windows Mobile 7 (with physical QWERTY) is arriving on Verizon, I would definetly stick with Windows Mobile...
Is the TP2 bigger then the Titan? I need to see some size comparisons.

The more I look at the Hero, the more I am a fan I think. I think the days of WinMo may have come to an end. With my NE2 up now and my contract up in Feb...stay with Vz or go to At&T with the iphone. Like I said, I am an app man but the Hero looks rather sweet.

dont buy an iphone

I was in the exact same situation as you. Out of contract and new every 2 available. Plus, VZ took an additional $100.00 off of the cost of any comperable device. I wanted the TP2 in the worst way, but they are unobtainium (except online for $675.00 ), so I got the Imagio, which I was told is an upgraded version of the TP2 without the keyboard. Not true. The TP2 does quite a few things that the Imagio does not.
Comparing the Titan to the TP2, the TP2 feels great in the hand. It is a little on the heavy side, but I like a device that feels solid. The contoured back is very ergonomic and the cooling holes provide for a nice textured feel that doesn't make me think that I'm about to drop it every seven seconds. I especially like the tilting screen. And once you use a phone with a 3.6 inch screen, you will not want to go back to the 2.8 inch on the Titan. Again, sadly the TP2 is not to be found.
The Hero looks good in specs, but so did the Imagio. If the Leo were to be available on VZ, I would certainly give that one a shot. The bottom line is that I am not happy with the Imagio and will most likely send it back. Then I will be right back in that boat with you.

What exactly does the TP2 do that the imagio doesn't?

yeah... Same here. I am ready to NE2 and I am a VIP member so the TP2 would cost 199.99 less 100 NE2 and less 50 for VIP. End cost $49.99 on line only (stores don't give the online discount of 100 or the vip discount). If I could find one. I called tech support and got to the higest level. I was told they have some in stock to replace defective units but not for sale. They wouldn't give me any idea as to when they would be in stock. Then they told me they would look into it and send me an email or txt msg. three days later I got a txt: and I quote "(Verizon Wireless) HTC Touch Pro2 is out of stock. Will no longer be sold. Thank You for choosing Verizon Wireless"
So I guess I wait or jump ship.
I went to youtube and watched reviews for the imagio and the tp2 to compare. I was thinking to go to the imagio. But after watching both reviews, I decided NOT to get the imagio. If you want to watch them yourself type imagio and look for the review part 1 and part 2. Same with the TP2.... I think I'll go take a look at the droid specs.....

Just call everyday. They get small shipments pretty often.

I don't think I was really into the TP2 as I wanted something difft. I was a fan of the Hero previously until I saw Motorola's Droid. Though I need to see actual video reviews of the phone and test it out before I buy it, the Droid may be the way I go. I guess we will wait and see.

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What exactly does the TP2 do that the imagio doesn't?
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The biggest thing for me is that the Imagio does not support the video out function. Everybody that I have talked to at VZW and HTC say that "It appears as though the Imagio should support video via accessory cable interface." "Looks" and "should" don't get the picture on my PICO.

thundaar2000 said:
"(Verizon Wireless) HTC Touch Pro2 is out of stock. Will no longer be sold. Thank You for choosing Verizon Wireless"
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I've read this rumor all over the place. Currently they are instock online and in some stores. Why would Verizon discontinue an item that is under such a high demand. My NE2 is up in 2 weeks. I almost got a rep to give it to me early. Anyways, I'll be getting the TP2, unless something changes in 2 weeks.

kmanuel74 said:
I've read this rumor all over the place. Currently they are instock online and in some stores. Why would Verizon discontinue an item that is under such a high demand. My NE2 is up in 2 weeks. I almost got a rep to give it to me early. Anyways, I'll be getting the TP2, unless something changes in 2 weeks.
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If you can get the TP2, more power to you. For some reason, VZW says (online and in person) that they are out of stock and will not be getting any more. What part of the country are you in? Another user was able to find one in a San Francisco area store. You say that they are available online. When I go online (signed in or acting as a new customer) it says "NEW!" "out of stock".
Scratch that! I just went on Verizon's web site (I usually check it three of four times a day) and it shows the TP2 in stock!

Hmmm. Well, I think I'll be staying with the 6800 for a bit longer. I've looked at the new stuff, but the problem with the TP2 is that it hasn't got a port for an external antenna and where I work, if you don't have an external antenna, you aren't getting out.
Likewise, I like being able to use my phone as a modem for my laptop. Can't do that on the new Verizon phones, at least as far as I've seen (nor can I seem to get Vista to let me do it on my new laptop, but that's another issue.) The new phones are made for people who work in places where cell coverage is ubiquitous - and that's just not my situation.
For the above reason, obviously the iPhone is out too - though I have a patent loathing for the condescending Apple that precludes such a purchase anyway.

you can use something like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4170499 to tether with most new phones.
I guess the external antenna is a downfall. But you could just buy a cell phone repeater amp and not need to plug something into your phone everyday. and you could walk around eaiser.

That's a thought - though I already had the antenna.
There's another link I can use! Thanks! This site is a goldmine of info!

Thinking about getting Aria

I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?

MJennings said:
I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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Lack of keyboard and small on screen keyboard
Apart from that I have NO complaints.

MJennings said:
I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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You will be able to revert back to the original AT&T firmware; HTC already has the original shipped ROM on their support site for the Aria.
As for downsides, what kind of phone do you currently have? I upgraded to the Aria from a WM 6.5 Samsung Jack, so it is a bit smaller and has a virtual keyboard instead of a physical keyboard. The battery life on the Aria is on par with Jack. Yesterday was my first full day with in on the job and by 10PM the battery gauge showed about 40%.
As you mentioned, there are no tethering apps in the Android Market, so you would have to either side-load a tethering app using the Android SDK 'adb' utility or root the phone. So that it is the one thing that I am currently missing. If I go out of town and need to tether, I will just pull my SIM card and put it back in the Jack.
Regards,
Tom

MJennings said:
I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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The big worries I had before ordering it were that due to it's small screen, slower cpu and being on ATT, it might not get updates as quick as some other flagship android model ATT might put out, and that it's service life in terms of updates might be limited by the fact that it's a mid-lower range device.
I personally don't mind the 'unknown sources' lock so much simply because it's so easy to get around. I was kind of disappointed by the lack of live wallpapers, though I'm pretty sure there will be a way to hack them on later.
To be honest, I wanted to wait until after the iPhone release to order mine, simply to see if ATT would announce anything else. If you recall, they promised us 5 Android handsets by the end of H1 2010 (Motorola Backflip, Dell Aero, HTC Aria, and two other yet unknown HTC devices). Then I saw the Aria for $50 on Amazon with a contract extension and figured it wasn't worth the wait.

I got the phone.. it seems the phone is kinda quiet on normal and speaker phone, anyone else think so?

I have a Tilt that is a little beat up, but runs well for an old phone.
For the last month, I been looking to switch. Tilt2 sucked so my decision came down to Bold 9700. Then I saw the iPhone 3GS for $100. But I waited and got a chance to miss around with the Aria and for the 15 minutes of playing around with Android, I was very happy with the device.
So it looks like by Wednesday, I will have to make a decision. Bold 9700 is a sold phone, but I have never had a BB and have heard very mixed reviews. Plus, the fact that without a data plan the phone becomes very limited in terms of GPS, etc., that was a turn-off. I have never been too high on an iPhone, but the nice thing is, I could get unlimited data for $10 a month for it (connection). After the Tilt, the Aria's size is a big plus. I don't plan on getting a data and can get the phone for $45 without a contract extension.
So now it comes down to iPhone or Aria? Man, that Aria is sexy as heck! Do I make the leap? I have been looking the Aria forum and while I have a lot to learn about Android, I learned enough about flashing, etc. with the year I had the Tilt that I think with some reading and Q/A from the good folks at XDA, I can learn to take all the crap off of my Aria.
I have 24/7 wifi so no need for giving damn ATT an extra $15 a month.
So do I wait a little while to see what else comes out or dive into the Aria? I usually keep my phones for about 2-3 years. What's this about the Aria being a mid-range phone? I don't really play games, etc. on my phone other than the occasional Tetris or something on my commute. And from my interaction with the Aria, it was way faster than the Tilt.

I just upgraded from a Fuze (Energy Rom) to an Aria yesterday. I'm not a microsoft fanboy, but I'm a huge fan of the Zune / Zunepass (Best deal in music stores IMO) I've been trying to hold out for a windows mobile 7 phone, but then again who knows when one will be released. I recently played around with XANDROID on the fuze and fell in love with it. It runs my phone better than WM6.5 aside from the bugs and the 3 hr. battery life (im sure at some point xandroid will be usable but not yet) I was eligible for an extension but still 6 mo from being out of contract so I needed to stay with ATT. I thought about a droid milestone, nexus one, and did some searching for unlocked droid phones. I stopped in the store and tried out the aria and loved it. Ive avoided touch screen only phones for the fact that i like keyboards, until I realized I actually type faster with the aria on screen keyboard than with my Fuze. The phone is light. thin, and compact, but not too compact. The screeen is plenty big, and the touch screen is responsive. Its also extremely smooth, no noticeable lag in android. I recommend trying it out in the store to see what you think, if its durable I think it will prove to be a great phone for the price, it also looks fantastic.

The loudspeaker is a bit low and harsh sounding for music and no camera flash. Other than those things I can't really think of anything I don't like about my Aria. My battery life has been very good over moderate usage and call quality is solid. I haven't made any changes to dl 3rd party apps yet and I haven't really missed anything.
This phone is very fast and never lags on me. That's something I can't say for really any of the Smartphones I've had except for my 3gs.

I don't own the phone but the concerns i have are:
1) No camera flash
2) small screen
3) no BT voice command (from what i hear)
4) some reports that HTC sync is kind of buggy

Respect to New Phones and to The Old Phones

Of all the smartphones i have had starting with the Treo 750, The HTC Apache, The HTC Touch Diamond, The HTC HD2, and now The HTC Inspire 4G, i never thought i would ever own a smartphone, sitting in high school staring at the hot girl in school texting in class with her beast of a phone back then, The Palm Treo 750...liked it so much i went out and saved over the summer and bought my first smartphone. I loved that thing it was so cool i could surf the web and check my myspace and email, i didn't think anything could be better...then comes the Apache with the new windows mobile and a slide out keyboard loved that phone, sit in class and download the remote app and screw with the teachers tv (that was fun) and yet still did not believe that a phone could get better, then changed carriers and Alltel at the time would not take my Apache and activate it ( later found out that i just didn't talk to the right agent) so i decided i would buy the HTC Touch Diamond and man before i bought this i did the research i went online and looked at the phone every night and decided to get it, with windows mobile 6.1 and the steel frame, the touch screen with Touch-Flo 3D, still could feel like it could get any better and then came my longest lasting phone i have EVER had The HTC HD2, now this phone i had to be talked into, there were android phones coming out and i was kinda excited about them and was going to hold off for awhile, but my neighbor was all telling me about it and i just couldn't do it, for one it was to big and by this time i was tired of the OLD windows OS and couldn't do it again...so i passed on the phone, and waited....well one night i was online and looking at phones and checking XDA, i seen a deal on T-Mobile for the HD2 for free, now the phone had my attention and decided to buy it because i was reading about the hacks to get Android on the device...and no sooner did i get the phone in the mail and unlocked it and put android on it i was sold this phone was god, (i bought this a month after it was released)...this phone i had since 02/10--04-2011 was my favorite phone to date, every night there would be a update from a developer and every night my phone would get that much better and before its' demise it was running just as good as ANY original (android phone if not better)...i got addicted to flashing and reflashing...then one drunk Saturday night i left the phone on the railing of the third floor of apartment balcony above the parking lot, and i dropped it....went down to get it and the phone was on AND THE SCREEN WAS NOT CRACKED OR SCRATCHED, went to push the botom buttons and they didnt work....took it apart and the button ribbon was broke...so i decided after that i would get a new phone and go with AT&T since T-Mobile most likely will come to be one with the force here soon and i bought the Inspire 4G for $99, and have had that phone for a week and am running gingersense on it and.............Thinking what could get better then this.....
so the whole point on this loooong story is you love your phones when you have them and when you think something can't get any better it does and the cycle continues, so don't hate your old phones they were just a step on the ladder to get to the top....BTW didn't realize this but all the devices i mentioned are all made by none other then HTC, including the Palm Treo 750, imagine that?????

good story. i do too have the htc inspire but the unlock version the htc desire hd. its a nice device with alot of cuztomize widget. cant wait to get the htc evo 3d this summer.

but i wish...my HD2 can control tv's and dvd players

backlashsid said:
but i wish...my HD2 can control tv's and dvd players
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Redeye is a popular app & hardware dongle for Apple products, but they've also said in their FAQ that they are trying for Android version sometime this year. http://thinkflood.com/support/redeye/faqs/ (near bottom)
There's a few other brands for Apple, but none have mentioned android versions.