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Confirmed from HTC Europe: they are far from new ROM

Called HTC customer care: they said they are still far away from new ROM release, the end of month release date has been missed , they said now two months or more!

Oh damn.. HTC is slow !!
I recon we will have custom ROMs before this official from HTC !!!

HTC is very low serious !!!
We must find a solution to resolve stack bluetooth and all the other problems for TyTn etc.
Regards

Shamanix said:
Oh damn.. HTC is slow !!
I recon we will have custom ROMs before this official from HTC !!!
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Custom ROMs, next device more like.
What puzzles me is I have seen the leaps and bounds the fine developers here have made with no salary and lacking hardware documentation. Why does it take HTC so long with all the resources at their disposal?

good question.

Ooooohhhhh... what a big suprise :S ..... NOT!

daedalia said:
What puzzles me is I have seen the leaps and bounds the fine developers here have made with no salary and lacking hardware documentation. Why does it take HTC so long with all the resources at their disposal?
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I suspect the answer may lie in the prioritising of work - HTC may pay their engineers / software development people, but I doubt they pay them simply to create up-to-date ROMs for existing or old devices (as much as we'd like them too!).
My guess is that these staff are tasked with testing / dev work for upcoming / future devices, and as such can only devote (comparitively) small amounts of time / effort to developing new ROMs for existing devices.

DrLaban said:
Ooooohhhhh... what a big suprise :S ..... NOT!
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They are all much furious for this delay but because is not found one solution without to wait for htc?

i guess we either wait for HTC or we all pitch in to cook an AKU3.X or crossbow rom (and hopefully gps enbled)

unbelievable this device has really lost me a lot of confidence in HTC as it is so buggy! The wizard was very stable after a rom upgrade but this device is so unstable hence why all the bad press about it!

oh....but it is better than other country (taiwan) <<<< no other informations about release new rom....too bad about x01ht\cht9000 user

I believe HTC does their VAR work first then works on their own devices. Since direct branding is new to them, this may well be presenting difficulties from a prioritization standpoint.
What this means is that we'll see the slew of operator branded AKU3.x ROMs released before the TyTN in much the same way as we did for AKU2.x ROMs. Remember, the TyTN AKU 2.x rom (South African) pretty much was one of the last of the batch for AKU2.x.

I too am very disappointed with HTC and my Hermes in general. I'll be looking elsewhere next upgrade.
K :-(

Shift delayed until Febuary.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/12/htc-keeps-letting-the-shift-shift/
Well the shift looks like has been delayed again now till Febuary. The reason why? Looks like HTC now cant decide if the shift should be shipping with the phone or not is one of the reasons. looks like they do read these forums and are really considering have it ship stock with voice capabilities out of the box.
How do I know this? well my new source just told me this. who is it? well our very own boygenius has emailed me that they are currently still deciding on this issue and its contributing to why the shift has been delayed.
The latest rom i have did still have phone settings in it so looks like they are swaying still towards it shipping with phone.
Now this kinda proves what i kept on saying that it had the phone abilities. what i was never sure of is if it will ship. we now know they are deciding on it.

That's nice to know... actually I just pre-ordered one.
but at least I'm happy cuz now every body can belive pawel was right!
I think still have to use the athena project's os for use full wm6.
I donated athena project...... mm.... actually not that much amount..
but I really want to say thank to athena project guys...

ok good news (even if delay are not so fun), I hope they understand why it is so important to have phone capabilities .. they put a SMS section on their shift support webpage ... if they remove this ability I think it will be a real problem because we all know about this ability and we'll never accept losing it. I own an HTC Touch but will be really happy to have a shift with phone + my Touch .. both are for different use (one as an calendar and real phone) and the shift allow me not to bring my touch all the time. I can choose which one I took .. I can't bring the shift to a party, to some holidays .. because there are too many risks of losing it, being stolen, etc.. so I would really enjoy both.
But what about the Origami 2.0 package? The shift had this package at CES2008... and it would be the PERFECT "official" reason for a delay. I think that with this package the shift will be THE BEST UMPC for more than a year.
Thanks for the news, I hope we will have more news in the coming days and weeks

ANOTHER delay?
Why don,t they just get the device out there with everything enabled and let the user choose how they wanna use it!?.
Who are they? Microsoft??
C'mon guys at HTC! just release it! We'll hack your ROMs anyway......

Pfeffa-rah said:
ANOTHER delay?
Why don,t they just get the device out there with everything enabled and let the user choose how they wanna use it!?.
Who are they? Microsoft??
C'mon guys at HTC! just release it! We'll hack your ROMs anyway......
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It's not only about choice .. the delay comes from many reasons ... yes there are some choices to be made.. but there are issue about the number of shift to produce.. I have heard about CPU for the WM6 part that were not enough produced by Qualcomm and that was the big reason for the delay .. so we'll see

Hi, me tells a german distributor, that HTC has a "special Chinese Year" (like the chinese Year of the dragon, religion) within that, the people works not so a lot and be more relaxed, so that all things that come from there have delivery problems..
maybe i dont now it´s true, but that tell me a distri ;-)
i´m very angry about HTC politics, first they tell some specifications and later the dont have this specifications. (HTC Touch DUAL and S730 without GPS) I tell my users one half year ago, wait please for the new modells with GPS, and then, they change her product spezifications 1 months before to "without gps"..
i´m very angry, i´m sell and support many years with htc devices, i deployed and report many problems with the devices to htc or to the distris, sells more than 3000 devices since start with Wallaby/MDA ..
maybe it´s time to change again.
but we will see, i test the shift - is it right than we stay - is not i search again - i found always a other solution

koala996 said:
..I have heard about CPU for the WM6 part that were not enough produced by Qualcomm and that was the big reason for the delay .. so we'll see
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Oh.. Well.. If that is the case I guess I should be a bit more understanding... I guess.
But it still sucks...
The Qualcomm patent problem stuff sucks too.
Sorry for the bad language, but that is how I feel.
It just does....
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah

X1 WM6.5 / 7 Update

Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
R
Stu

6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.

I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?

looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?

sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
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Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.

Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........

sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
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nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.

Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?

I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.

An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...

wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers

I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......

sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
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what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers

as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones

Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
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lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be

Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.

ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........

Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.

mlinz said:
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
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Source? or speculation

Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe

New HERO device - Why?

Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox

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Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc

Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?

porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat

Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!

Android
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porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!

Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.

it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple

HTC WM 6.5 Lobby Group

Considering the number of users of the Blackstone in this forum PLUS the other enthusiast sites such as modaco.com and htcpedia.com should we not start up a lobby group to petition HTC to get access to the WM 6.5 upgrade PLUS new SENSE GUI ???
I understand the HD2 is on it's way - but a lot of us waited for the release of the HD and supported HTC by purchasing it....at very least we could get the 6.5 upgrade OR an update to the TF3D (i.e. SENSE) interface...
Any thoughts ???
Asp

Agree. They should give us at least the new GUI.

Aspi914 said:
Considering the number of users of the Blackstone in this forum PLUS the other enthusiast sites such as modaco.com and htcpedia.com should we not start up a lobby group to petition HTC to get access to the WM 6.5 upgrade PLUS new SENSE GUI ???
I understand the HD2 is on it's way - but a lot of us waited for the release of the HD and supported HTC by purchasing it....at very least we could get the 6.5 upgrade OR an update to the TF3D (i.e. SENSE) interface...
Any thoughts ???
Asp
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I agree. Not because I want a wm6.5 update with htc sense from them (there are already plenty here), but because how they sidelined us, users of the "older" touch hd, touch pro and diamond. It wasn't that long ago, HTC. Don't try to justify yourself. Imagine paying big bucks for a HTC Touch HD 5 months back and now you read a statement from HTC that they won't be providing updates for you cause you're using an "older" device.
I mean, c'mon. Don't treat us like rubbish. We helped you to become what you are today. From a nobody in Taiwan, to the number one producer of windows mobile phones. The Blackstone was only released about a year ago (or less, to be exact). Did you really expect us to keep changing devices every couple of months? No offense to TD2 and TP2 users but the spec sheets of these "newer" aren't any different from the Blackstone's! Benchmark results may prove otherwise but the bottom line is, the guys from HTC releases new phones every now and then which has little or even no improvement from the devices their replacing and they expect us to keep up. wth.

I agree with abubakar comments...
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....and now you read a statement from HTC that they won't be providing updates for you cause you're using an "older" device.
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You're right about the "Older" reference - My phone is 6 months old and I have to read comments like http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8773
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The Blackstone was only released about a year ago (or less, to be exact). Did you really expect us to keep changing devices every couple of months?
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And again you make a valid point - they should have an 18 month minimum on platform updates / enhancements.
When you go to the HTC website for support - for example "HTC Touch HD ROM Upgrade (For Telstra)" they quote that "As always, HTC is committed to providing customers with the best possible mobile experience"
Is access to either WM 6.5 or HTC Sense an example of "HTC is committed to providing customers with the best possible mobile experience"

Anthony Petts is the Sales and Marketing Director ANZ for HTC Corporation - Any one got any contact details for him ?

Can't really see a petition doing any good. The HD is a great device but it isd starting to be over shadowed by newer devices which HTC want us to buy instead of giving us updates for free. Why would they change this when they don't need to!!

I know that I'm very dissapointed in HTC and that I'll probably never buy new phone from them. Their support is very bad and there is so many new phones, so... I'm totally confused which I should buy for example. I have Blackstone and that's probably tha last phone I'll have from HTC.

Having been the owner of both the htc touch cruise and the hd 8282 I will say that htc customer support is a bad as I have ever seen from a mobile phone manufacturer.
Seems as though once you have purchase the device they forget about you. I have made my mistake twice and will not do the same again. I guess I will bite the bullet and get an Iphone unfortunately.

I have to say that I'm on about my 5th HTC device and only once have I had to speak with HTC support and they where pretty good. My old Prophet had a problem in that it was stuck in headphone mode! HTC replaced the mainboard and had it back to me in about 12 days.
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps. Unless HTC went down the route of making available all their apps in a similar way HP and the like do for PCs?
PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!

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PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!
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maybe after the 1st intro of WM7?
6.5 sucks for me
and if Microsoft not gonna do anything about improvement then HD is my last WM device

It seems to me that if you buy a phone with a certain level of capability (or system software level) you have a reasonable expectation to support to maintain that level. Unless it's part of your contract at purchase, it is unreasonable to expect new software and enhanced functionality.
I'm not being funny, but I've seen similar calls many times over the last fifteen years. I've never yet seen them be effective. One of the most frustrating examples of this is the powerful video hardware, totally unsupported by drivers on a large number of HTC devices. Massive campaigns - no substantive action.
I mention this as a warning to people considering a new purchase from HTC, like for example the the new HD2 - it's a great looking hardware platform, that the OS doesn't natively support. Doesn't it feel like we've been here before?
I'm not buying another HTC device until the capability of the hardware is fully exposed, in a consistent way via the systems software, for use in applications. I don't see any of the HTC WM devices where this is not some level of an issue, in fact the last phone that I had from HTC, that didn't give me some cause for concern in this regard was Tytn.
From now on I'm only buying finshed, well integrated, mobile devices. I want to spend my time and money exploiting their potential and adding features I need.....not trying got get them to work properly and overcome limitations in the release state of the device. I'm drawing a line in the sand, right here.....

trentend said:
It seems to me that if you buy a phone with a certain level of capability (or system software level) you have a reasonable expectation to support to maintain that level. Unless it's part of your contract at purchase, it is unreasonable to expect new software and enhanced functionality.
I'm not being funny, but I've seen similar calls many times over the last fifteen years. I've never yet seen them be effective. One of the most frustrating examples of this is the powerful video hardware, totally unsupported by drivers on a large number of HTC devices. Massive campaigns - no substantive action.
I mention this as a warning to people considering a new purchase from HTC, like for example the the new HD2 - it's a great looking hardware platform, that the OS doesn't natively support. Doesn't it feel like we've been here before?
I'm not buying another HTC device until the capability of the hardware is fully exposed, in a consistent way via the systems software, for use in applications. I don't see any of the HTC WM devices where this is not some level of an issue, in fact the last phone that I had from HTC, that didn't give me some cause for concern in this regard was Tytn.
From now on I'm only buying finshed, well integrated, mobile devices. I want to spend my time and money exploiting their potential and adding features I need.....not trying got get them to work properly and overcome limitations in the release state of the device. I'm drawing a line in the sand, right here.....
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+1 I couldn't agree more! I'll be keeping an eye on the forums for the new phones and unless I'm satisfied HTC are finally using an operating system that can fully utilise their great hardware, this will be my last HTC device.

+1 to the OP, and I'm behind the line in the sand too

I read somewhere that if the phone does not have windows start logo button on it, chances are slim that you get 6.5 update. Touch HD has that button missing.

i prefer a good non official cooked (wm6.5) rom than an official one
So it don't really matter for me.... but i still think that's a shame!!

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I have to say that I'm on about my 5th HTC device and only once have I had to speak with HTC support and they where pretty good. My old Prophet had a problem in that it was stuck in headphone mode! HTC replaced the mainboard and had it back to me in about 12 days.
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps. Unless HTC went down the route of making available all their apps in a similar way HP and the like do for PCs?
PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!
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if u bought a pc with vista they are offering windows 7 at a reduced rate to ya so why not do that with windows 6.5?????????????????????????

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if u bought a pc with vista they are offering windows 7 at a reduced rate to ya so why not do that with windows 6.5?????????????????????????
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Because very few would pay for it, making it a waste of their time.
Besides, their business is selling new phones. Why cannibalise the sales of newer models by upgrading older ones?

crankshaft said:
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
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In many cases they do - prior to Vista release and again with Windows 7 there are machines that are enjoying upgrades once the new software is released - sure HTC are doing it with select devices as well - but you have to admit that with the HD being just 6 months old (...in Australia anyway...) that it would be fare to deem it acceptable to offer an upgrade....
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What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps.
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Agree with your comments here - and I would have no problem paying a reasonable fee to upgrade to 6.5 and HTC SENSE.

For me, i'd rather have a rom update with all the new focntionnalities of the TF3D ( newer version or even Sense UI perhaps !), bug fixes, etc. than a 6.5 windows for the touch HD with all the old things.... what windows 6.5 really brings to us ? a new start menu ? what else.... less memory usage.. i don't think... faster ? don't know really cause 'im not an expert, but didn't really see anything new interesting... and of course anything an application can do, freeware of course and without having to cook a ROM...
So, my point of view.. i'd rather have a new rom on old windows but optimized and with new fonctionalities !
Ciao
Fred

arfster said:
Because very few would pay for it, making it a waste of their time.
Besides, their business is selling new phones. Why cannibalise the sales of newer models by upgrading older ones?
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Ever heard of a company called Apple and a phone called the iPhone?
Why should I buy the HD2, which will become out-of-date as soon as WM7 arrives in a few months, when I can get an iPhone and free software upgrades for life?
HTC need to become more customer focussed and pay more attention to the competition.
However realistically I don't think a petition will work. Falling market share might though.