I've been using a Blue Angel (SX66 Model PH20B1) for years. Bluetooth including A2DP has worked well with this phone in both WM2003 and WM6.1.
I just bought an new O2 XDA IIS (Model PH20B). I flashed it with the same WM6.1 19701 DVH ROM. XDA IIs Bluetooth works only when the BT device is about 6 inches away from the device.
Two different BT headsets work up to 3 feet from the SX66. The only thing I can think is the O2 XDA IIs has BT radio which is either not as good as the SX66 or is broken.
Can anyone tell me if they have had similar problems with the XDA IIs?
Thanks,
Since I upgraded my BA (XDA IIs) to WM2005 onward, both my hand-free and Stereo headsets work poorly, I gave up on that quite sometime ago.
my ba is a t-mobile mda iii and with me the bt problem with handsfrees started in wm2003se, i don't know how it happened. maybe i had crappy handsfrees, but the connection was hardly stabile and only in a distance of maximally 10", so i couldn't even carry the phone in my pocket while phoning (and isn't that the general idea of a handsfree?) but for file transfer with mobile phones for instance i can have stable and rather fast (20kb/sec) connections. still i wonder how people use a2dp stereo headsets with the ba. apparently headsets in general work poorly, and with the old bt1.1 or 1.2 connections and a data rate like 20kbit it wouldn't be possible to transfer mp3 (>160kbit)data in realtime to any device. i am glad with wm6.5 xplode the bt works at all, after it gave up on me on wm6.5 sun_dream. i can hardly get the device to connect to my pc via bt, but at least obex file transfer with "normal" mobile phones works most of the time, and that is the most important service to me, sending/receiving mp3s or pics, so i wouldn't complain
Chef_Tony & Imatrix:
Thanks for the replies. As I said in my post, I've been using a Siemens Branded SX66 for two years. It works marvelously with my Motorola S9 and BlueTake I-Phono A2DP headsets. It works up to several feet away. It has worked well with every all the WM6.1 ROMs I've tried. It even works from 3 feet to 6 feet away. The sound is clear with no skipping. The remote controls work and everything.
I was spoiled with the SX66 but wanted one in black with a camera so I bought an O2 XDA IIs which is a few years old but which had not been used. The thing works great but the bluetooth is absolutely worthless. Sounds like you both have the same problem.
There may be a hardware difference between the XDA IIs and the SX66. Perhaps the SX66 has slightly newer or better hardware. I may have to flash back to WM2003 and see if the Bluetooth works if not, I'm returning it.
probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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My apologies for my silly question, but I'm almost sure that I misunderstood you. What model is newer style and includes cam? I can live with the BT issues, but its so hard to live without a cam on my phone . Also, I'd like to mention of an option I found on Ebay and use on daily basis. There are 2 phones... One made by Panasonic known as "Link-to-cell" and one made by GE known as "Cell Fusion". These are wireless home phones with BT capability. All you do is set it up and when you get home, you place your BA near the home phone and bingo... now you can use the home phone as a BT Extender all around the house. And best of all... You don't need to have a home phone line to use it, but if you do, it'll tell you when its a call from the Cell or a call from the home line. And you can connect up to 2 cell phones to the setup. I tried both, the Panasonic has less features, but better reception, better voice quality and higher incall volume. The GE has better features, higher speakerphone volume and longer lasting batteries(3 cell vrs 2 cell).
Edit: I had seen the cam's being sold on E-Bay. When I decided to get one, they don't offer them anymore. Any idea where to get one?
Chef_Tony said:
probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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Well now it's all a moot issue. The phones screen flickered and then went grey. I cannot even get to the multi-colored screen after a reset. It's like something just shorted out. I've always wanted one of these Black XDA IIs. I'm pretty disappointed. I may just have to get a new case for my SX66. At least the BT works well.
@markanthonpy:
what i meant was, that it doesn't matter what model you have they are always ready to run a camera, the connectors on the mainboard are there and there is a tiny prog called camera_detect that runs automatically every time you soft reset your device that detects whether you have a cam installed and maps the cam/wmp button to the cam app, which by the way, makes it rather impossible for users of devices with a camera to map the cam button to anything else.
@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki
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@markanthonpy:
what i meant was, that it doesn't matter what model you have they are always ready to run a camera, the connectors on the mainboard are there and there is a tiny prog called camera_detect that runs automatically every time you soft reset your device that detects whether you have a cam installed and maps the cam/wmp button to the cam app, which by the way, makes it rather impossible for users of devices with a camera to map the cam button to anything else.
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If you erase camera_detect from startup, you'll be able to change button assignment.
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@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki
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If I am reading correctly, he cannot even get to the RGB screen, which means that he might actually have a hardware problem.
@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki[/QUOTE]
Chef_Tony:
Thanks for the advice, but this is my third BA and I've flashed literally tens or hundreds of ROMs and am familiar with the hard reset method. My screen went grey while I was browsing the web. I cannot get it back to the multicolored screen at all. Nor can I get it to the screen to re-flash the device. The screen is just grey and when it's turned on, it's a lighter grey. There's something terribly wrong with the hardware.
I think I'm going to get a new case for my sx66 and try to put a camera in it just for kicks. I have four other HTC devices, but I still like the BA for cruising the at home. I cannot wait for the HTC Rhodium or SuperStar or both.
umm can I suggest trying something very silly? even if you don't see anything, could you try to make a phone call or perhaps, just redial last call you had made. Actually, don't even need to do that, how about turn it on and call your phone. I'm just curious to know if behind the grey screen, the phone is up n running. Perhaps, a bad LCD, connection or cable? I would think you tried this already, but wouldn't hurt to know.
markanthonypr said:
umm can I suggest trying something very silly? even if you don't see anything, could you try to make a phone call or perhaps, just redial last call you had made. Actually, don't even need to do that, how about turn it on and call your phone. I'm just curious to know if behind the grey screen, the phone is up n running. Perhaps, a bad LCD, connection or cable? I would think you tried this already, but wouldn't hurt to know.
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Good suggestion. The phone still works. At least it can accept an incoming call. I'm pretty sure its a display connection for something. If I take it apart, I'm stuck with the device, so I'm sending it back.
Well I returned the XDA IIs for a refund. I'm guessing that the XDA IIs has an inferior BT radio. I compared the Guts of the SX66 (Siemens Branded BA) and the XDA IIs. They look quite different.
So I found a camera module on Ebay and also a new back cover. I installed it on the BA SX66 and it every thing works great. I can listen to music streamed to my Moto S9 or Iphono headsets from about 3 feet. Works great.
My BA still rocks.
rambo6 said:
Well I returned the XDA IIs for a refund. I'm guessing that the XDA IIs has an inferior BT radio. I compared the Guts of the SX66 (Siemens Branded BA) and the XDA IIs. They look quite different.
So I found a camera module on Ebay and also a new back cover. I installed it on the BA SX66 and it every thing works great. I can listen to music streamed to my Moto S9 or Iphono headsets from about 3 feet. Works great.
My BA still rocks.
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Where did you find the Camera Module? I've searched all over and haven't found one yet.
Try ebay. See if this link works.
http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dm...286.m270.l1313&_odkw=htc+blue+angel&_osacat=0
The camera was only $15.99 US, but then you need a new back cover. I had to buy an HTC IIs complete case for $45.00. I'm still glad I did it. It works great.
Related
now that I've had the XDA II for a week...
what/when will the XDA III come out?
I'm pretty sure it will have:
1. faster CPU
2. more memory
3. WiFi
4. better screen (probably VGA resolution)
I hope it also have:
1.. GPS
2. WiFi
3. longer / bigger / optional battery
4. better camera
5. better software e.g. camera, pic id, ie, backup, ...
6. usable as a wireless in-house phone via bluetooth
What else do you guys expect?
Ummm,,, I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself. It isnt even out yey (XDAII) in most parts of the world. I mean, you might as well ask when is the XDAIV or XDAV coming out? Im sure all of your speculations will be addressed in some time to come.....
not to mention that iPaq is planning to release a whole new ppc rumored to be with even more capabilities than the xda2. heard about it while attending a techie conference in hong kong...they're planning to use the iPaq 5550 (the one with bluetooth, fingerprint bio-thingee, etc) as the base model. from there they're going to add a high res camera, phone edition, possibly gps, etc. so it may give xda a run for it's money as they try to overtake one another in terms of capabilities. that's the sad part about releasing your product ahead of the pack; it becomes the basis for releasing an improved product by reverse engineering. in any case, it'll be most interesting to see how the next generation ppcs will look like and how they will perform.
2 cents worth..
robson
I heard it's based on the 4xxx form factor (aka no more sleeves..ever).
And it will only have 64 MB of RAM.
Haha yeah right, the MDA II was rumored at one point to only have 64 MB of RAM, but it didn't come out with that. Gotta keep in mind, stuff is only rumors. Don't keep waiting around for that perfect device.
I'm happy with my XDA II for now, and if the H6000 comes out six months from now and is way better, well, then I got 6 months good use out of my XDA II, and I can decide then if I want to upgrade.
Those people saying "I'll hold off on the XDA II and wait for the H6000 cause I've heard it's so good, etc. etc." seem silly to me, because when the H6000 comes out, something else bigger (or smaller in the PDA world, lol) and better will be rumoredm and they'll be saying "I'll hold off on the H6000 and wait for the ______ because it's so good, etc. etc."
-arebelspy
if you think about for how long from the xda were released to the xda2 got here i say it's pretty hard to say what it will offer
it's hard to predict more so about the furture
maybe it'll have
wireless glasses / eye pad screen
maybe it'll have ESP interface
maybe it'll connect directly to satelites
maybe it'll give you a brain turmor after a few hours use
Maybe you can add "TV Tuner" and "CF Slot" in your list...
I reckon it will be 3g compatible.
3G, CF, TV
TV/FM tuner will be nice. Samsung already came out with something
like this in the far east, I think.
I'd guess the XDA III "information" will be here in 9-10 months,
and by then a CF card will be useless, especialyl if we get WiFi+GPS
builtin and standard 1Gb SD cards.
If you guys think that HTC engineers aren't already working on
the XDA III, you're very wrong.
I think 3G is unlikely to show up on a global form anytime soon.
Adding WiFi and/or GPS receiver to already GSM/Bluetooth signals
is going to be hard enough, electorically (shielding), so 3G might
be 2-3 years away.
Hopefully, with WM2004, we'll have more than 32 processes and
better overall device management. Right now, I'm forced to
soft-reset every 2-3 days, and I don't like that.
Man, I soft reset every few hours. What's the big deal? It boots up as fast as it would load a webpage, so the wait isn't that bad.
Why do people complain about soft resetting? I just like that I get to choose when to soft reset (i.e. after saving all work, closing all apps, etc.), rather than it locking up and forcing a soft reset. The XDA II is a stable device, to be sure.
-arebelspy
Rudegar said:
maybe it'll have
wireless glasses / eye pad screen
maybe it'll have ESP interface
maybe it'll connect directly to satelites
maybe it'll give you a brain turmor after a few hours use
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seriously -> LOL
btw...i think i already have a brain tumor, right above my right ear :shock:
regarding soft reset
he he. Maybe I should soft-reset every now and then.
My problem is, I've had ie+multie+battery2004 create some lockup
that soft-reset didn't really cleanup.
I suspect I pressed the mult-ie func-menu while a page was loading
and something more was going on... anyway:
I had to Hard-reset.
I restored my xBackup from my SD (night before, device was soft
reset and no active apps while running)
and guess what, after the restore the device won't reboot.
tried it twice. had to go back to activesync backup... yak.
I've had multiple times where I had to soft-reset while an app was
active, but the menu has gone "dead"... I turn the device off,
then press reset, as if "when it is sleepy" a soft reset is "safer".
I'm pretty sure this is just vodoo... but it works for me.
Now everytime I soft-reset I wonder if I ever going to see it reload...
Hi mgolanlan!
It's some off-thing, but can you write a key for MultiIE3 to me?
I'd be so happy
Thanks!
mgolanlan
well since a 3g phone works on the current gsm networks aswell
same thing with edge i dont find it all that unlikely that xda3 may support some of these new tech's
guess in many ways it also depend on ms's view on edge and 3g and video phone issues
btw...i think i already have a brain tumor, right above my right ear
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hhmmm are you sure that you just dident forget to take off your bluetooth ear piece ? sleeping with it on may cause an uncomfortable ache
All the above and
It will have a find OBL/Saddam/hackers button
Make world peace
be 2mm thick
only occasionally crash when making a phone call, or syncing to outlook.
:roll:
It will of course be much smaller, 1"x1", but compensate this with a (foldable) 15" display :wink:
my exp show that things which fold end up as
1 worn out so it'll not stay in any pos
2 the plastic breaks (happent 2 times with crap acer laptops for me)
so it's better to project the image then fold it out
VGA screen ?
WM2003 specs say 240x320. No more, no less !
Maybe next version of OS will allow other rezs, but for now it will remain 240x320.
so what ?
xda1 came with 2002
xda2 came with 2003
xda2 will come with XXXX???
kitarolivier said:
VGA screen ?
WM2003 specs say 240x320. No more, no less !
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1. it is official that wm2004 will support higher resolutions
2. 3rd party software already does, for PDFs, IE etc
3. a Toshiba pocketPC already avail with VGA res,
and it is typically run the 4-pixel-is-one thing, but has
exceptions for some software (pictures?!)
VGA-resolution ppc-size screen is already here!
I personally will not be happy until my PDA is a tiny, rounded stainless steel implant with a small cable that inductively couples to my optic nerves, a pickup coil for the charger mat that is under my bed-sheets, another tiny cable to hook to my inner ears for mike and earpiece, and some pickup electrodes to be fitted near certain regions in the brain.
Man, I can just see myself sitting there, enjoying the 4800x2400 stereo overlayed display, simply thinking my E-mails. And of course the device would use the same inductive optic-nerve pickup as a camera, and it would have enough processing power to replace people and objects I do not like in real-time, add nice works of art on otherwise boring surfaces, and add up all visual information about certain people until they can be renedered without their clothes on. Just think of the money saved on home decoration and travel.
Well I only got the phone yesterday and I've already had it with it.
I upgraded the ROM to 1.12 no probs, but the voice quality is really poor, the bluetooth headset (BlueTrek G2) is even worse, dialling with one hand is impossible. They really need to work on the phone functions for these devices. I can't use this for my work phone, it is unreliable and has a worse signal reception than other phones. CallerID with Photo ID doesn't work, the screen keeps turing on for no reasin when in your pocket so when you take it out you end up pressing the screen and doing something you didn't want to do. I regret buying this after one days use. I will be putting it back up on eBay soon.
Hello mate,
I think your disappointment comes from your expectations: you didn't buy a mobile phone. What you got is a PDA with embedded phone features. Nothing more, nothing less.
I used to have a MyPal A620 and (lately) a Nokia 6630. That was a real pain in the shadowed zone ! Two devices, two chargers, two car holders...
Now I still have a PDA (that is what I badly need) plus a GSM phone in one single device... no need to carry the Nokia mobile with me anymore.
If what you're looking for is a mobile, drop the Magician and go for a TRUE phone. It is understood that the phone section could be largely improved but at the end of the day I can live with it .
C'ya'round mate.
I love my Magician and I have no complaint at all about it.
Since November last year, I have bought 6 units one after another - four for my family members and two for my assistants at work.
On each of these 6 units:
- the voice quality is superb
- the bluetooth handset with Windows Mobile logo on it supplied by Microsoft as a free promotional item is fantastic
- I read my manual and understand how to use speed-dial with one hand
- I read my manual and have no problem using selected photos and ringtone through Caller ID
- I read my manual and understand there is such a function as "button lock" to stop accidental switching on of the pocket pc
- the phone is highly reliable and the reception signal is better than any mobile I have ever used.
I think you need to give it more time.Learn how to use it! :wink: There are settings in there to stop the screen coming on unless you press the power button so it never really comes on.Phone quality could be better but comparing to a house phone,have you ever hear a mobile phone of any description with REALLY good sound quality?I haven't and i've had my fair share!It's no worse no better than any other on the market as a phone-as a device it's nothing short of amazing.Pm me if you want a program to make dialling easier :wink:
@saldous
Try another Radio Stack like the 1.11. Some people report reception problems only with the latest (1.12) Radio stack.
About your problem with the screen not being locked when the Magician is in your pocket: Get MortSaver (free software), configure it correctly with its options and assign it to one of your hardware buttons. This locks the screen but you can still see some basic information, like SMS notifications, time battery and so on. This basically substitutes a lock function of a mobile phone.
When you got used to the possibilities of this great device and shipped around all these little problems you'll get (trust me, there are tons), you will never want to get back to a "normal" mobile phone. Show me only one mobile phone that does all of the following:
Works as remote control for all your devices (RemoteControl 2)
Can control your PC via Bluetooth (Pebbles)
A good music MP3 player with great sound (MortPlayer)
Is a video player with good video quality, even DivX(BetaPlayer, Media Player)
Plays great 3D games (Tomb Raider, Flux Challenge ...)
Works as a USB stick (CardExport 2)
Can be extended with WLan feature (Sandisk Wifi SD card)
Can be used for navigation (TomTom 5 + BT GPS)
Has a real internet browser, a great calendar (PocketBreeze)
And all this more reliably than the magician does? Come back to earth! All these features have the price of more bugs, more workarounds and more additional software that is needed. But to almost every problem, you will find an appropriate solution in this forum and with additional software (SpriteBackup, SK Tools, SPB Pocket Plus, Resco Explorer, Check Notifications, PocketZenPhone...)
Software like PhonePad makes one hand use possible and almost as good as with a mobile phone.
I will try some of your comments but don't expect to have to pay for additional software to use the device!
I have already set the device to lock the buttons so I only press the power button to turn the screen on, but if I receive a SMS etc.. the screen come on in my pocket. There is no way to stop this.
Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl !
As for the web browser, I tried to reply to this thread and it wouldn't let me login to the site, but I could browse the forums just not reply.
I have installed MortSaver as per your recommendation, there are no options to configure in it. How do I configure it?
saldous said:
Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl!
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Dont let anyone fool you: the audio quality of this phone is horrible and unacceptable. This is a known problem and audio ROM updates/patches will not help you.
I bought one earlier this year, it sucked. I complained, got a brand new replacement this week with ROM 1.11WWE - the audio still sucks.
You need to return the phone. If you are within the return period of your seller - do so ASAP. If you live in the UK, be aware that under UK consumer laws you can return this device as "not fit for purpose", especially within the first six months of purchase. During that period, he onus is on the seller to prove that the device is fit - and a phone sold via subsidy from phone companies would HAVE to have proper audio quality - which this device does simply not.
Read here to understand what your rights are if you are UK consumer:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/salegoodsact.htm
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I will try some of your comments but don't expect to have to pay for additional software to use the device!
I have already set the device to lock the buttons so I only press the power button to turn the screen on, but if I receive a SMS etc.. the screen come on in my pocket. There is no way to stop this.
Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl !
As for the web browser, I tried to reply to this thread and it wouldn't let me login to the site, but I could browse the forums just not reply.
I have installed MortSaver as per your recommendation, there are no options to configure in it. How do I configure it?
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You are not obligated to keep it. If you cannot handle tha device than just sell it and be happy
@saldous
The extra software is not needed to make the phone work. It works, as you also confirmed. It makes it better than any phone you can get at the moment! That's worth the price.
MortSave has a link to its options in the start menu. I configured it that it automatically turns off the phone, lets notification popups go through and can only be turned on by the power button. It completely protects the screen when SMS etc. go in - like locks for mobile phones.
The web browser: This is the most complete built in web browser you can get in a phone. Tell me about a better one! Nokia? Motorola?
I love my Qtek S100 - it's an amazing little device... and gives me zero problems as a phone or a pda
Use the Button Lock feature!
For the Screen, use the Button Lock feature in System Settings
From your Magician, START > SETTINGS > SYSTEM tab, select BUTTON LOCK, and select LOCK ALL BUTTONS EXCEPT POWER BUTTON.
For the audio problem, i guess you might have to get your Magician serviced since it is still under warranty or get a replacement. Its not worth that you pay that much and still have problems with your new Magician. There could be another reason for your audio problems, the signal strength in your area, the weather at that particular day and the location from which you called that day.
Yes the Magician and for that matter all PDA's lack advance phone features that you find in Nokia or other phones, dont loose hope, in the future maybe someone will take initiative to bring to you all those features too.
regards
clueless
Why are people always saying that the phone is crap? At least I never really had problems regarding reception and sound quality. Maybe the latest phone stack is not the best - well, just downgrade it.
Regarding the usability of a phone, I even prefer to dial with my magician.
I have to do the following to call someone:
1. Turn it on (kill MortSaver if active -> I have to press the corresponding button)
2. Press the Contacts button and go to the contact I want to call via pressing up or down (holding gives me the alphabet -> very fast)
3. Press right or left to select the number I want to call for that contact (mobile, home or even email) and press the green button to call
In my opinion, a Nokia isn't as easy to use when calling someone.
Heres what I have to do.
Press voice command button
say "call John"
it says "call john?" back
I say yes and it dials
Too easy if you ask me!
Got to love voice command!!!!! :wink:
I also use voice command for contacts. When I want to call someone who's not saved in the contacts, I press that green telephone button and dial the number using the virtual keypad. This may sound stupid, BUT CAN IT BE ANY EASIER THAN THIS?
And for everyone's sake, stop complaining about the Magician not having a keypad like other phones, and it's so much easier on Nokia's, bla bla bla ...
If you want a PDA/Phone, the Magician is pretty much the best you can get. If you want a mobile phone, get a bloody mobile phone!
Dandie said:
Why are people always saying that the phone is crap? At least I never really had problems regarding reception and sound quality. Maybe the latest phone stack is not the best - well, just downgrade it.
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Because the quality control on this model is crap.
When I returned my jam for warranty repair (SIX separate problems it had), the customer service rep from the vendor that sold it said to me (and I quote), "Yes, we aware - we have had a lot of complaints about sound quality and defects on this phone".
Phone stack is not the issue, nor is ROM. The sound quality and speaker defects that showed up on my brand new Jam in Feb (WWE 1.01) were exactly the same problems on the replacement Jam I got last week (WWW 1.11). So anyone discussing "radio stack" or "ROM" is just leading you on a wild goose chase.
The phone is not well made. Period. That is why there are complaints.
For something that does just about everything I think i'll settle for the sound quality,after all it isn't really THAT bad.I've had worse.I'd rather have this device than a 7230 or something like that so it's not a bad trade off for all the benefits
I think we just have to stop generalising here. The HTC Magician is selling very very well in most countires, irrispective of the brand or carrier selling it.
Yes, some people found a porblem with the sound quality, but most of us here didn't. Or at least not to the extent of considering returning it back. Mind you, HTC design and produce models for HP, Motorola amongst others so they must know something about quality.
Unfortunately, it's too early for the Magician to have some serious competition. The only reasonable contender is the E-TEN M500. And that's still a bit "chunkier" that I would I hope for!
Some people might not be ready to be early adopters of such a "revolution" in mobile technology.
Such people, I think, should settle for a traditional conservative device!
kta said:
Mind you, HTC design and produce models for HP, Motorola amongst others so they must know something about quality.
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That is exactly why this kind of lax quality is not acceptable. Its not like they are a newbie - who has not made this type of product before. They are a near-monopoly in the PPC phone market i.e they have a huge experience curve. And audio is not exactly esoteric technology for a company in the phone business.
Its one thing for people to try to pass the problems off as a few people complaining. But when the people out there in the market selling the thing willingly admit that there is a problem with sound and speaker quality - its best to stop dreaming up excuses.
From the posts, it look like some people get unstable magician while other don't. I do agreed that magician is the among top ppc model because of the design which is small like ordinary mobile phone but with a capabilty of pda & phone. Many of pda user change to magician in order to avoid bringing 2 devices at the same time.
It is HTC and their partner responsibility to ensure their product are not made to meet the demand/order without any standard quality control.
Well, I have NO audio problems with my HTC Magician device at all (O2 Xda II mini brand running on Vodafone Australia). Sound quality on my end is perfect and I have asked a number of people I speak with if they have any trouble hearing me and they have said there is no problem at all.
I do feel that the speakerphone is a little underpowered - in quieter environments it is fine but at medium noise level I struggle to hear the other person. I can live with that.
This is simply the best device I have owned.
Is it true that you have to do the flip-and-rotate dance everytime, when you have to receive the call(or make the call) & when you dont want to use the speakerphone ??
I leave my phone in the closed clam position, got Microsoft Voice which tells me who's calling, so all I have to do is push the red or green on the side to ignore/answer the call...
jmdrizen said:
I leave my phone in the closed clam position, got Microsoft Voice which tells me who's calling, so all I have to do is push the red or green on the side to ignore/answer the call...
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but what if you are in laptop/clamshell mode?
then do u have to do the flip and rotate dance?
If you are laptop/clamshell mode, you can just answer with the buttons on the hinge, and answer the call with it shut. You probably wouldn't want it unnecessarily rotated, since you'll get face grease on your screen.
If you want to see who's calling, a quick lift and shut is all you need.
Cheers,
Steve.
imate blows
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my experience thus far has been really ****ty as far as using this unit as a phone. the reason I say this, is that despite having updated my unit to the latest ROM upgrade , I'm still experiencing missed calls!
This despite my repeated attempts at contacting the clowns at the live online service at imate. Their email service has been better, but has yet to offer resolution to this immense problem. I say immense b/c I have paid around a grand for a pda with a phone which is completely unreliable as a phone.
Bear in mind, this is my imate experience.
hope this helps.
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edved said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my experience thus far has been really ****ty as far as using this unit as a phone. the reason I say this, is that despite having updated my unit to the latest ROM upgrade , I'm still experiencing missed calls!
This despite my repeated attempts at contacting the clowns at the live online service at imate. Their email service has been better, but has yet to offer resolution to this immense problem. I say immense b/c I have paid around a grand for a pda with a phone which is completely unreliable as a phone.
Bear in mind, this is my imate experience.
hope this helps.
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LOL you paid how much? you must be one of the unlucky ones. since I got my device, I've not really had a problem with the phone part, just the camera at the moment, which seems to be rom related.
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edved said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my experience thus far has been really ****ty as far as using this unit as a phone. the reason I say this, is that despite having updated my unit to the latest ROM upgrade , I'm still experiencing missed calls!
This despite my repeated attempts at contacting the clowns at the live online service at imate. Their email service has been better, but has yet to offer resolution to this immense problem. I say immense b/c I have paid around a grand for a pda with a phone which is completely unreliable as a phone.
Bear in mind, this is my imate experience.
hope this helps.
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LOL you paid how much? you must be one of the unlucky ones. since I got my device, I've not really had a problem with the phone part, just the camera at the moment, which seems to be rom related.
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edved said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my experience thus far has been really ****ty as far as using this unit as a phone. the reason I say this, is that despite having updated my unit to the latest ROM upgrade , I'm still experiencing missed calls!
This despite my repeated attempts at contacting the clowns at the live online service at imate. Their email service has been better, but has yet to offer resolution to this immense problem. I say immense b/c I have paid around a grand for a pda with a phone which is completely unreliable as a phone.
Bear in mind, this is my imate experience.
hope this helps.
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LOL you paid how much? you must be one of the unlucky ones. since I got my device, I've not really had a problem with the phone part, just the camera at the moment, which seems to be rom related.
I have never had any problem with the phone. But I have taken a couple of actions:
1. Disable the video phone component, it is bloaty and if you dont use video phones saves 3mb of operating RAM
2. I extended the time it takes to go through to voice mail from 10 seconds to 30 seconds
3. I dont vet any calls, if available, I just answer from the hinge whilst close, so I dont do any flipping to see first
4. My phone always answers at the beginning of the second ring, that with a 30 seconds to voice mail works fine
5. I never let my phone go below 15mb of available ram so it doesnt slow down.
So as a phone, its fine, as a pda its brilliant.
how d'ya do that
1. Disable the video phone component, it is bloaty and if you dont use video phones saves 3mb of operating RAM
is this an easy thing o do?
cheers.
very easy, its posted on WIKI.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Registry
States
To set or remove the operator phone skin
The setting is at 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin'
The 'Enabled' DWORD value can be set to '1' to show the operator skin or '0' to show the default skin
For example, to show the default skin
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin\Enabled = 0
You should try the link to view many of the registry hacks for the universal.
There is also a maintained forum on hacks with downloadable cabs here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Registry
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LOL you paid how much? you must be one of the unlucky ones. since I got my device, I've not really had a problem with the phone part, just the camera at the moment, which seems to be rom related.[/quote]
Can't say I use the camera much, except perhaps for the strange or abnormal chest xray I may see at work. Otherwise useless.
Yes, I ended up paying a grand for this thing. Impulse purchase. What did you pay jojo?
I paid $1500 AUD, about $1100 USD.
I have always bought my phone outright for an unlocked phone that is not dependent or tied into a phone network.
Plus there are extended taxation benefits....
I love mine as a phone, best reception on both ends I have ever found with a phone.
Like everyones said, you can essentially answer a call 4 ways.
1. Default (clamshell shut)
2. Open it and flip it to portrait mode
3. Open it and use it in laptop mode w/speaker phone
4. Bluetooth headset.
personally the idea of Microsoft Voice Command sounds good cos I like to know whos calling, have it tell me would be pleasent
In any case, despite the ringtone not kicking in till the end of the second ring, I have scarecely missed a call. Actually short of not having the phone in an audible radius of me I dont think I have missed a call.
Its always good to have system memory but I dont notice a change in the phone service when my ram dips below 15mb.
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edved said:
LOL you paid how much? you must be one of the unlucky ones. since I got my device, I've not really had a problem with the phone part, just the camera at the moment, which seems to be rom related.
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Can't say I use the camera much, except perhaps for the strange or abnormal chest xray I may see at work. Otherwise useless.
Yes, I ended up paying a grand for this thing. Impulse purchase. What did you pay jojo?[/quote]
I paid £150.00 for mine
so u mean i can answer a call with clamshell shut ??
is that true?
The answer to your question is yes. You can answer the phone with the clamshell shut.
Cons:
You will not be able to see who is calling.
You will need bluetooth or wired headset to answer the phone.
Caller ID numbers are available but not the caller name on Bluetooth devices like the BT800.
Personally, I use my Qtek 9000 more as a PDA than a phone.
It's a much better PDA than it is a phone. The keyboard and the screen on the Universal are the main reason why I bought it.
My advise, if you're planning on using it more as a phone than a PDA, then consider other devices. As a phone, it's heavy and bulky. As a PDA, I can only sing praises (except for the occasional soft resets that I have to do).
FYI, here are the main uses that I use the Universal for:
1). Streaming music while I'm driving
2). Watching avi files while I'm on break
3). Daily planner
4). Going online to check on info
5). GPS device with software and an external bluetooth GPS receiver
6). MSN messenger while I'm on road trips
Hope that helps in your decision.
I don't know how much you'll be paying for the Universal. I did pay a lot for it (since it's not available in the US with any cellular companies) but I consider one of the best investments I've made in a PDA/Phone.
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The answer to your question is yes. You can answer the phone with the clamshell shut.
Cons:
You will not be able to see who is calling.
You will need bluetooth or wired headset to answer the phone.
Caller ID numbers are available but not the caller name on Bluetooth devices like the BT800.
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Incorrect, the phone will answer perfectly well if you just pick it up and press the green button on the hinge. The three holes on the right of the case are for the sound to come through and the mic is at the bottom on the left of the keyboard.
This is a well thought out device.
If you have personalised ringtones for most of your contacts you should have a pretty good idea of who is calling anyway.
thanks everyone for blurring away the doubts
PReDiToR said:
modem_man said:
The answer to your question is yes. You can answer the phone with the clamshell shut.
Cons:
You will not be able to see who is calling.
You will need bluetooth or wired headset to answer the phone.
Caller ID numbers are available but not the caller name on Bluetooth devices like the BT800.
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Incorrect, the phone will answer perfectly well if you just pick it up and press the green button on the hinge. The three holes on the right of the case are for the sound to come through and the mic is at the bottom on the left of the keyboard.
This is a well thought out device.
If you have personalised ringtones for most of your contacts you should have a pretty good idea of who is calling anyway.
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Or... Get Microsoft Voice 1.5, and the fantastic patch by R. Works A1 on mine, I keep the phone clam shut in a zip case. And get a "Call from X" loud and clear telling me who's calling... no need to open or owt, just red/green on the hinge... fantastic...
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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MY dopod u1000 don't have any large file transfer problem at all
and my headphone works straight away
Digital.Diablo said:
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the Ameo after the first few days of use, and identify some of the small issues with it. I'm impressed with the speed more or less, coming from a Dell Axim x50v with the WM5 'upgrade' applied.
So, good points first..
Fantastic Screen - 5" plenty big enough for me
Keyboard - its great that it just clicks on and goes, and it holds the PDA in the correct position.
Web (and Walk) Button - that it launches Opera rather than pie.
Camera - pretty good quality for a phone cam.
Internet - I dig the 3G!!
GPS - The chip seems great and good at picking up the satellites with relative ease. On a trip seems to hold at least 5 bars in tomom 97% of the time - my old one only averages 3-4.
Microdrive - So good to not have to worry about space.
Weight - yes its heavy, but not as heavy as expected, given the kit inside the case!
Connectivity - Plenty of cables to get started with, the charger, usb AND the VGA cable!
Battery power - surprising good and reasonably long lasting
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
The screen rotation can be a bit inconsistent - especially after poweroff/ons.
Tomtom V6 screen refresh seems a little slow, even with all poi's turned off. Maybe the latest build will help - also, not got voices working yet.
The USB doesn't seem to charge up, just hold the existing charge.
MiniSD (this is only because I've just recently bought a couple of SD cards!).
Headphones - haven't got the headphones working with Mediaplayer yet - the sound just comes out of the speakers.
That large file transfer problem - although the Removable storage fix sorts that and is far quicker than craptivsync. Although then the Microdrive isn't visible at the same time within the PDA.
No IrDA port. Not necessary, but would be nice to use it as an all in one remote!
Not much else to report at the moment, I've rigged up a holster in the car, pending a proper version, and I'll get the 4 in 1 cable fairly soon.
What a cracking device though, that really promotes the wow-factor!
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Few comments:
After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
victoradjei said:
Few comments:
After removing the battery, press and hold power button to turn on device, not soft-reset. Normal press will not power on.
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Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
The apparent rotation on screen afer resume from standby is due to "notiication panel"window returning to normal view.
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I identified that bit, shame the firmware can't take that into account. It does it somewhat randomly going in and out of tomtom as well.
TomTom6 works for may people, even cracks work well
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Yeah, it works fine, just the refresh rate is a bit slow (maybe 1-2fps). Like I say, maybe a version newer than 6.000 will resolve the issue.
BT stereo should work with even the most basic of headsets surprised you have problems.
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Not using BT - I'm using the headphones that came in the box with the built in mic. Didn't output mediaplayer sound via them earlier when I tried it, I need to experiment a little more.
Try and read more on this forum to solve all your problems, otherwise you would waste thisdevice.
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I've been reading loads since last week when I decided to get the device. The only problem is it can sometimes be difficult to locate the info. But I found the fix for the large file problem didn't I?
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
Digital.Diablo said:
Yeah, its not that - sometimes it will go into standby then just wont turn on without a soft reset.
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jlingo said:
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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Is it to do with T-mobile's ROM? because i am using the DOPOD U1000, and i don't have this issue at all, and 3 other friends of mine don't have this problem as well
Digital.Diablo said:
Bad Points
Doesn't seem to resume all that well - sometimes need a reset button pressed to get it to come back to life.
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Any third party software already installed or opened in the background? memory leak? Perhaps those could cause wake up problems?
thanks
Sounds like you have a faulty device
I would send that device back immediately for replacement!
I have abused my ameo by all sorts of tweaks and hacks but no such problems since i got it.
I sent my U1000 back for warranty claim(under 7 days) cause always prompting me my SIM is invalid, eventhough i've switch to a newly applied one. Other than that, everything is fine. MapKing works great though.
jlingo said:
Wah the problem with the device for not being able to turn on after going into stand by is a very serious problem. I wouldn't get U1000 until it's resolved since I always need to refer to my PDA instantenously. I cannot afford having to soft reset and wait for the device to turn on whenever I need the device the most. I never experienced this problem with Dopod 900.
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I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
wonder said:
I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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that is strange, i don't see any sign of this problem on my device, is it to do with third party software?
It hasn't done the non-resume problem for a couple of days, funnily enough. Thinking back, it may be sometime again to do with tomtom, as I have a feeling it suspended whilst TT was active. I'll monitor, do some experiements and report back.
Also fixed the headphone issue - looks like I wasn't 'using the force'. I tried again just and noted that the headphone jack was about 1mm shy of home - pushed even harder and its clicked in and now I have sound in my phones!
wonder said:
I do have this problem on my u1000 too..
yup, dopod 900 dont ve this problem too (til I upgrade to WM6 .. but still less than u1000 ... )
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Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
jlingo said:
Hi Wonder,
Any third party software you already installed? or it's still free from third party software? otherwise it's pretty bad for clean U1000 cannot wake up from standby. Incompatibilites SIM Cards perhaps?
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I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
wonder said:
I do think is the 3rd party problem.
Well... actually, those Today Screen stuff always hange up screen!
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Could you please elaborate a bit more, which today screen software are you using?
Thanks
Mine wouldn't resume this morning.
I had running:-
Opera Browser,
Internet Explorer,
Media Player.
It was also connected to the mains charger and was powered down via the button on the side.
Digital.Diablo said:
Forgot to add, half the standard software isn't listed in the programs folder, i.e. Calc, Opera, Notes and well, thats about it... Just a bit strange that they've not got shortcuts, but heyho.
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this confused me at first, too.
there are shortcuts, it's just that they're all hidden in sub-folders - like
"Organiser" which has Calc, Calendar, Notes and Tasks, or
"Messages" which has Email setup and Messaging or
"Contacts" which has Contacts and SIM Manager or
Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
k_kirk said:
Can you kindly confirm if the Ameo has keyboard backlighting? A review I saw on the net says so but the base HTC Athena design seems not to have the backighting. Dopod U1000 variant is confirmed not to have it either. Does Ameo have backlighting? Thanks
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Sorry, but there is no backlighting on the keyboard of the Ameo
Haha sorry guys for posting an essentially pointless thread but I've been ALWAYS wanting an Advantage and I finally got one coming for a good deal. I'm pretty geeked. I also have a Touch as a backup so I may only use this during certain situtations. My main and ONLY concern was that it doesn't have an earpiece but I'll figure something out. I think I may take a BT headset apart and flatten it to the back or something. I'm sure I'll post my efforts here so look out.
Does anyone have a suggestion to what the "best" ROM is available? I'm looking for speed and stability and one that works with GSEN on an x7500.
Cheers
no clue since i own the 7510
but GSEN works perfectly for me.
Coolest thing is when watching videos in CorePlayer, with GSEN, it rotates on the fly, and it doesn;t matter how you have the thing aligned, it'll always show it correctly
AllGamer said:
no clue since i own the 7510
but GSEN works perfectly for me.
Coolest thing is when watching videos in CorePlayer, with GSEN, it rotates on the fly, and it doesn;t matter how you have the thing aligned, it'll always show it correctly
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Sweet can't wait. My luck it won't work on the 7500...
if you want gsen to work with your 7500, you would have to download roms made by irus or sogarth. i've installed these on my 7500 and gsen works just fine. if you don't install these roms, most likely you will come up with a message saying "cannot locate gsen 3" or something like that. so far these roms that they've released are the best for the 7500 (if you want to have the autorotate feature). although gsen will work, there are many applications / games (ported out from the htc diamond) that work for some and at the same don't work at all for others.
however, roms by michy are also fantastic...though they don't support gsen....but i think he's working on that =)
congrats, juice. Its definitely not intuitive/easy-to-use in the phone department, not like most dedicated phones on the market. I recently went back to using an old flip phone for a week (trip to Disney, didn't want to loose or damage my Athena) and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
Many of us use the Jabra BT8010. It somewhat makes up for the shortfalls since its has vibrate, caller ID, and gives you a private earpiece. Also gives you stereo of you want that.
I've been thinking about trying to find a cheap flip or candybar phone that supports bluetooth HFP with Athena as host, or HSP, or PBAP and SAP, or maybe CTP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile ). Bottom line, the ability to use the dedicated phone as a phone without having its own SIM. But, it would be a larger solution than just sticking with my 8010 and would probably need charging every other day so I stick with my 8010. The battery on the 8010 lasts forever.
techntrek said:
congrats, juice. Its definitely not intuitive/easy-to-use in the phone department, not like most dedicated phones on the market. I recently went back to using an old flip phone for a week (trip to Disney, didn't want to loose or damage my Athena) and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
Many of us use the Jabra BT8010. It somewhat makes up for the shortfalls since its has vibrate, caller ID, and gives you a private earpiece. Also gives you stereo of you want that.
I've been thinking about trying to find a cheap flip or candybar phone that supports bluetooth HFP with Athena as host, or HSP, or PBAP and SAP, or maybe CTP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile ). Bottom line, the ability to use the dedicated phone as a phone without having its own SIM. But, it would be a larger solution than just sticking with my 8010 and would probably need charging every other day so I stick with my 8010. The battery on the 8010 lasts forever.
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Good info thanks alot. Yeah I sometimes take a bunch of calls and sometimes hardly ever. I'm thinking I'm just going to ignore calls that I can call back later in private over speaker. I'm also going to try and stick my ear up to the speaker(probably not possible since the speakers look located on the side). Holy $hi4 would that be hilarious looking. But my main prob will be the calls that I have to take in public... I'm serious about flattening out a BT headset to the back or side.
Have you seen the guy who put a BT headset in a glove? Same concept. Take apart a BT headset it ends up being mostly wires and/or a little chip(s). Maybe put a slight mold/cover over it so there might be a minimum hump. But at the size it already is wouldn't be a deal breaker in any shape or form. It however would need to be charged separately. I'm going to be carrying it without keyboard or case so I'm trying to minimalize it's "footprint" all around. Having to carry another piece of tech like a BT headset I think would get very annoying. I will probably keep one in the car though.
Speaking of the car, thats another reason I'm getting this. My commute to work just doubled and I always wanted a "car computer". IMHO mounting an Advantage(or a UMPC for that matter) is the quickest easiest way to do that. I can watch the news on my way home from work via Sling(not that I would ever do that because it's very dangerous and probably illegal). Check realtime weather not to mention big screen GPS. Oh can't wait to test Live Search with the Satellite view. I also got some webcams set around my house that now I can watch in VGA!
This is going to be interesting.
not sure what you find so hard about the Athena as a phone.
but using any BT headset, specially the Jabra BT8010, you can do a simple 1 click, and say who you want to dial, and it dials it for you.
sooooo easy to use.
my Palm Treo never worked so well, even with th same features.
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and it definitely made me yearn for ease-of-use for simple phone calls. But, with a device that can almost literally do everything you have to accept some trade-off.
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Dedicated phones are 1-hand friendly, with all my other phones (since 1993) I've been able to use memory dialing or even dial a new number without even looking at the phone while going down the road.
With my BT in my pocket where I can't get it when I'm driving, its a multi-step process to make an outgoing phone call right from the Athena... turn off BT takes 3 button presses, then dialing can take from 2 to many more... then turn BT back on when I'm done... and most if it also can't be done with one hand.
Nothing as easy as using a dedicated phone, even with my old Motorola Star-Tac.
hey juiceppc - also make sure you upgrade your phone to radio 1.58 if you are often in 3G coverage. Otherwise I recommend 1.57.