sorry to ask such basic questions but im having truble locating the answers:
1-can someone explain why the cooked or stock roms (os or radio) work fine with both x1i and xia. they have differnt hardware after all (different radio frequency support, different cameras with different video recording capability)
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2- how come the radio rom is the same while US and europian use different frequencies . and doent the cooked OS rom need to be aware of what frequency the phone is using
3-if i flash a cooked rom that is based on the US ROM do i lose the capability of recording 30FPS ? is the opposite true also?
4- if cross flashing (cooked OS) works for x1 how how come it does not work with touch pro or diamond (meaning that i cant flash htc touchPRO with a ATT FUSE?
Because the software is built to handle both sets of hardware.
There is nothing fundamentally different between the X1a and X1i. The only significant differences are the different radio chip and different Qualcomm CPU, but the OS itself does not need to be changed for those differences. When you flash a ROM, you are only flashing the OS; the radio component is not flashed. Slower video recording in the X1a is just a limit of the MSM7201A chip, again not controlled by the OS.
That should answer questions 1-3.
As for Touch Pro vs Fuze, you can actually flash a Touch Pro ROM onto a Fuze and vice-versa, but the Fuze does have some fundamental differences, such as an extra PTT button, a special AT&T keyboard, and no front camera -- all of which are controlled by the OS. As a result, "cross-flashing" ROMs may have unexpected results. Some Raphael chefs now offer two versions, Touch Pro and Fuze, which are essentially the same minus a few changes for those specific hardware differences. Fuze versions may also include original AT&T branding.
"Cross-flashing" is fully not possible between GSM/UMTS and CDMA phones (eg: between Fuze and Sprint Touch Pro).
This is not strictly on topic (though it is related), but would it be possible to come up with a process to port roms cooked for the Touch HD over to the X1 by updating the parts that would be affected by hardware differences?
I guess as all roms are different that this would not be easy, but if it were possible it'd open up more choices for users. Might it be feasible, or no chance?
DavidMc0 said:
This is not strictly on topic (though it is related), but would it be possible to come up with a process to port roms cooked for the Touch HD over to the X1 by updating the parts that would be affected by hardware differences?
I guess as all roms are different that this would not be easy, but if it were possible it'd open up more choices for users. Might it be feasible, or no chance?
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You can port the XIP (core os) across and various bits of the operating system, but it can get messy. T
here's no simple way to "port" roms from one device to another.
Have a look at Itjes roms for examples
Is X1a us or uk?
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Is X1a us or uk?
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X1a is not US nor UK
X1a = "america" (US, Canada, Mexico, Purto Rico, Chile, Argetina, Boliiva, etc etc etc)
thanks people very educational
The only significant differences are the different radio chip and different Qualcomm CPU
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its funny that the x1i to me seems (hardware wise) to have more in common with the HD than the x1a. since both use the same radio and cpu
Right up until you get to the slide-action of the HD... oh wait.
Or the 3.8 inch screen on the x1, oh wait
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I'm just curious, why do you guys flash your ROM? doesn't it cause problems later on? I know some people say it is faster but does a fragment of speed merit the change?
No offence to ROM developers, I've flashed my ROM but the question is merely there for speculation and to get the Polaris forum a little more active.
In my case:
1) I hate localized software (though I'm neither English, nor German)
2) Don't like branded ROMs - they're usually loaded with lots of crap and are slower (thank god I don't have an Eten - they come with trialware !!! )
3) Usually a newer ROM is better and more stable, and operators like O2 release ROM updates only once/twice per year...
4) It is fun (Well, not fully, since you have to reinstall all software after reflashing )
MrSmith22 said:
I'm just curious, why do you guys flash your ROM? doesn't it cause problems later on? I know some people say it is faster but does a fragment of speed merit the change?
No offence to ROM developers, I've flashed my ROM but the question is merely there for speculation and to get the Polaris forum a little more active.
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Simple answer: Why not ? ;-)
In fact, flashing the ROM of his device mainly give the opportunity to have much better device than the original. A good example is the HTC Touch (ELF). Even if customers have report numerous of problem, HTC haven't yet issued a ROM update for the French ROM. This is a good example and answer to your question "why flashing a ROM".
Polaris is a brand new device. We can expect a reaction from HTC (if they react) in the next months. During this time, you've the choice to
1. Live with the bugs until HTC decide (if they) to fix it
2. Use a cocked ROM to make your device (much-much-much) better
Of course, Flashing a ROM is always at risk for the user. Example with mine. I've ordered a Polaris in French. Actually the official French ROM isn't available. If I've a problem with my device, the warranty is down because I've flashed my device with an unsupported ROM.
On top of this, flashing is (for me) a nasty game ;-) It is dangerous but I like it !
I have noticed a performance increase with Hermes but I don't know whether this can be true for Polaris? Is the difference major?
If it is, warranty or not, I'll flash...
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I have noticed a performance increase with Hermes but I don't know whether this can be true for Polaris? Is the difference major?
If it is, warranty or not, I'll flash...
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Of course the Difference is always NOTICEABLE because its meant to make your device function a lot better in more ways than what comes with the original ROM's.
MrSmith22 said:
I have noticed a performance increase with Hermes but I don't know whether this can be true for Polaris? Is the difference major?
If it is, warranty or not, I'll flash...
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With the Bepe ROM the Polaris is 1.5 tome more faster (surely due to the Windows Mobile 6.1 layer).
And, for a "preview" as Bepe say, I find this really stable. Of course, things can always be better. For this, we have to be patient or...
...learn on how to cook ... ;-)
I subjectively feel a quite noticeable speed improvement with the WWE ROM over the previously default German O2 Orbit 2 ROM. I noticed (and htcclassaction is big on that) a high impact on TomTom. TomTom worked alot smoother on the O2 ROM.
But I dont mind that, so I'm happily waiting for a HTC or cooked German replacement ROM while using the WWE on my Orbit 2.
HTC Announced they are releasing a new version of the the touch cruise, what are your thoughts on this is this htc trying to recover from a bad software implementation or what, i think its unfair for them to bring out a new model to recover from it not every one can afford upgrading phones everytime a new one comes out.
You mean "Iolite"?
Here are many roms with the same specs (like footprints or M2D or Navipanel...).
So you can have a new phone without buying a new device!
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HTC Announced they are releasing a new version of the the touch cruise, what are your thoughts on this is this htc trying to recover from a bad software implementation or what, i think its unfair for them to bring out a new model to recover from it not every one can afford upgrading phones everytime a new one comes out.
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I am under the same impression too. HTC released new devices in Diamond family with distinctive names. I don't think they ran out of naming ideas . This is a clear indication (at least to me) that the original Cruise has some fundamental flaws. If it where to be firmware related a new ROM or some sort of SW upgrade could have that fixed. I am convinced that is HW related (i.e.: bad or compromised overall design; bad choice of components, etc.).
Some people here on this forum could argue that the design is similar with some other successful devices from the past. This is not completely true since we don't have full access to the internals of these designs.
Being able to load some non-official ROMs on our devices is not a real upgrade it is merely a change of user interface and a set of bugs/problems different from the original ROMs.
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I am under the same impression too. HTC released new devices in Diamond family with distinctive names. I don't think they ran out of naming ideas . This is a clear indication (at least to me) that the original Cruise has some fundamental flaws. If it where to be firmware related a new ROM or some sort of SW upgrade could have that fixed. I am convinced that is HW related (i.e.: bad or compromised overall design; bad choice of components, etc.).
Some people here on this forum could argue that the design is similar with some other successful devices from the past. This is not completely true since we don't have full access to the internals of these designs.
Being able to load some non-official ROMs on our devices is not a real upgrade it is merely a change of user interface and a set of bugs/problems different from the original ROMs.
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This makes no sense. If HTC knew that the original Cruise had problems, why would they name a new device with the same name as the flawed one? When the original Cruise was released it was pretty flash from a hardware point of view - remember that was a couple of years ago now, so you really can't compare with current stuff. People seem to think that their devices will somehow manage to stay up to date with newer technology - which is impossible. For me, other than the video driver issue (which for me is really no issue at all) the Cruise works fine. If it didn't, I'd bite the bullet and simply replace it with a newer device, which by the way would probably be out of date 3 months after I buy it.
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This makes no sense. If HTC knew that the original Cruise had problems, why would they name a new device with the same name as the flawed one? When the original Cruise was released it was pretty flash from a hardware point of view - remember that was a couple of years ago now, so you really can't compare with current stuff. People seem to think that their devices will somehow manage to stay up to date with newer technology - which is impossible. For me, other than the video driver issue (which for me is really no issue at all) the Cruise works fine. If it didn't, I'd bite the bullet and simply replace it with a newer device, which by the way would probably be out of date 3 months after I buy it.
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I never implied, or thought for that matter, about my device staying up to date and competing on the same level with the newer devices.
The question was: Why not HTC Touch Cruise2 or something else? Why the newer device has exactly the same name? Oh yeah: they added the (09) description in order to avoid confusion and a heap of confused customer support.
One more thing:
On the device list on their site there is NO trace of the old Cruise but one can find the Tytn II which is an older device. One can ask himself way that is?
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Any issues? Was it a straight flash or do you need to hard spl?
Needed HardSPL and honestly after a couple of hours of playing with it I flashed Dutty's ROM.
What about ATT Pure's stock rom... is it available to upload it back if necesary for warranty purposes?
I'd like to know about a "True Rom" backup image as well
I'm contemplating burning something new
probably a one of "Duttys" from what I've read" (how did you like it?)
but still not clear on any special issues with burning the AT&T Pure
using Roms that were meant for the Diamond 2. (seems most are)
I'm concerned about difference in the Radios as the D2 was designed for european phones. I that a problem?
And as implied by the other poster, I'm willing to take a reasonable risk
but would like to retain my warranty for hardware failure etc or re-sale
so would like to be able to revert to the stock device.
I'm new enough to phones in general to need a better undertanding of the
any required unlocking issues and how isolated are the components of the software (Winmo and TF3D) and Radio protocol software?
(as I'm sure do most newbies)
Any explanations or pointers to good source of "medium level" technical
phone info would be much appreciated
Thanks
KJL
Kenn Lynch said:
I'd like to know about a "True Rom" backup image as well
I'm contemplating burning something new
probably a one of "Duttys" from what I've read" (how did you like it?)
but still not clear on any special issues with burning the AT&T Pure
using Roms that were meant for the Diamond 2. (seems most are)
I'm concerned about difference in the Radios as the D2 was designed for european phones. I that a problem?
And as implied by the other poster, I'm willing to take a reasonable risk
but would like to retain my warranty for hardware failure etc or re-sale
so would like to be able to revert to the stock device.
I'm new enough to phones in general to need a better undertanding of the
any required unlocking issues and how isolated are the components of the software (Winmo and TF3D) and Radio protocol software?
(as I'm sure do most newbies)
Any explanations or pointers to good source of "medium level" technical
phone info would be much appreciated
Thanks
KJL
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HTC Pure or Touch Diamond2 are just brand names. They both have internal name as Topaz. Look underneath your phone battery, Phone is called TOPA210 which means Topaz. They have almost similiar hardware and need same drivers. The radio band is different, but they have the same radio hardware (GSM), just tuned (hardwired) to operate at different frequencies. Thus, there is no issue with flashing D2 ROM on Pure. Its works just like D2. The only thing you need to be careful is not to flash CDMA ROM on GSM phone and vice-versa. They have different driver requirements and it will kill the phone.
I think some chef's have dumped the stock At&t ROM. Try searching the ROM section.
I know the phones are the same just want to point out that under the battery on the ATT Pure it says "WarHawk". There is also a ring tone on the phone that has WarHawk in the name.
I have!!
I am using the HTC WM6.5 on an ATT Pure with no issues. You only have to remember that the Pure does not support the 3G 2100 band (only 3G 850), but it offers the full range of GSM/EDGE bands.
The Pure ROM had more games, though. I miss them
They're the same phones. I've already cooked a few roms and had the Official Topaz rom on my Pure and everything works perfectly. No worries.
Yep, thanks guys. I did it too with no issues. I like the bigger icons on the official and all the junk's gone too. Nice little device.
I was just wondering if there is any HTC Tattoo (also known as Click) for T-mobile G1? If there is, can anyone please post it here, please?
Fully working? no.
last I heard there is one being developed/ported but there is an issue with the resolution, so nothing yet as far as I know. The development is being discussed in a non-xda forum but I forgot the name. if I find the link again ill post it here, I think is was on the comments section of a tattoo user review somewhere, I don't remember.
Someone had ported it, but again due to different resolutions it's completely useless. I wouldn't get your hopes up on use ever geting a useable Tatoo port, just enjoy eclair
I think it is not possible because the display resolution is different between models. But if the version 2.0, I think that restraint no longer exist.
Tattoo is version 1.6, so ...
But I'm a noob in this matter.
SamFortal said:
I think it is not possible because the display resolution is different between models. But if the version 2.0, I think that restraint no longer exist.
Tattoo is version 1.6, so ...
But I'm a noob in this matter.
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Android 1.6 added official support for screen resolutions other than 320x480, which is why everything is scaled correctly (in theory atleast) on the Tatoo. The problem isn't a firmware limitation, the problem is all the drawables for TouchFlo, framework shizz and a few system apps are all too small. When viewed on a larger screen (not to mention one with a different aspect-ratio) they will either look blury due to upscaling, or won't be big enough to fit in with other UI elements. Basically it's a complete nightmare to port, but hey, stock 1.6 is better anyway
Before I get abuse, I have tried the search function
Firstly has winmo7 been made available for the HD2? If so can you keep the Sense UI/manilla, or do you have to use the winmo UI?
I've just been on the HTC website and it seems that there are different ROM upgrades for different networks. I bought my phone sim free/unlocked and did a ROM upgrade in January. Are these operator specific ROMs all new ones, or just the operators catching up with the ROM I upgraded to in January?
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Winmo7 atm, seems to have been denied, as Winmo7 Phones can only have 3 hardware keys,
as for the operator specific roms, im not sure i keep up with Miri, tend to ignore HTC lol
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I've just been on the HTC website and it seems that there are different ROM upgrades for different networks. I bought my phone sim free/unlocked and did a ROM upgrade in January. Are these operator specific ROMs all new ones, or just the operators catching up with the ROM I upgraded to in January?
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the operators released 1.72 which is generic 1.66 but with branding (pretty much).
just out of curiosity, why do you even want WM7? Its FUGLY.
djchubbs said:
just out of curiosity, why do you even want WM7? Its FUGLY.
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I agree, hence me asking about being able to keep HTC sense/manilla. The reason I asked was that I am led to believe that winmo 7 is a great new OS and much better that 6.5. However, like you said it is fugly. If you could have the 7 OS, but with a nicer 'face', ie HTC sense then it might be a winning combo.