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Touch HD vs. Xperia - A non-professional view

The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.

sproxy said:
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!

msalmank said:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.

foo said:
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."

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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.

holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!

nap007 said:
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...

Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite

As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.

Black93300ZX said:
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
Black93300ZX said:
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.

i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!

netnerd said:
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?

I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!

Nyberg said:
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD

The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.

two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated

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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.

netnerd said:
huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.

Happy with Xperia X1?

Is there anybody who bought Xperia to replace Universal?
I'd like to hear your experience, I'm seriously considering in buying X1 sooner or later..
but I'm particularly worried about its keyboard.
1) Is keyboard good enough for touch-typing? not thumb-keyboarding?
2) can you type as fast as when you were typing with universal?
Any other perspective from uni users will be appreiciated.

1) i'm using the keyboard most, but for shorter messages the on screen keyboard is fine. but hardware keyboard is always faster in my opinion
2) i can type faster with a keyboard then universal. used to a touch pro. but now i have and X1 and can't say more then its just better and faster!
overall i just like the X1

I think there is no better keyboard than the Uni one!, at least from all devices in the market today
Check the upcoming HTC Rhodium, this can be the real Uni succesor, but Xperia.... I don´t think so
Good luck,

orb3000 said:
I think there is no better keyboard than the Uni one!, at least from all devices in the market today
Check the upcoming HTC Rhodium, this can be the real Uni succesor, but Xperia.... I don´t think so
Good luck,
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Couldn't agree more (except on the HTC Rhrodium, saw 0 images of it with Google). The Raphael/X1 could be argued as successors to the Kaiser, however I just can't see the same for the Universal. I thought the Omni was going to be the successor but then they never came out with that :S.

kareem9nba said:
Couldn't agree more (except on the HTC Rhrodium, saw 0 images of it with Google). The Raphael/X1 could be argued as successors to the Kaiser, however I just can't see the same for the Universal. I thought the Omni was going to be the successor but then they never came out with that :S.
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Yep, it was very expected the Omnia, shame...
Here a pic of HTC Rhodium, and think it´s an interesting option
Cheers,

Hmm, I can touch-type on Uni, but i don't think I can with Kaiser and even Rhodium.. They are too focused for thumb-type usage.. they can't even adjust the angle of the screen.
How about Xperia?
I think maybe I can, considering its "mushy" feel and wide key pitch... plus its arc shape.

Is the SE Xperia really that bad ?

I'm considering buying an Xperia, mostly because it is much cheaper than HTC Touch HD (I'd love to have this device). But after reading diverse reviews on the Internet, I found a lot of complaints about the performance of the device (too slow,..), on the whole the review make a negative impression on me
Apparently this is just a software/firmware issue, which should be fixed with a new firmware upgrade. But what worries me most is Sony Ericsson might not ever bother to bring a new upgrade, or they will do but eventually discontinue support for the device and switch to Android, because Windows Mobile was probably a failed start for them.
Nevertheless it is very likely that I will buy the device because I know there is site on the Internet which calls xda-developers . So I am looking forward to hearing your opinions to make my ultimate decision

SE has already released upgraded firmware and from my experience I have to say the phone is quick... very quick... I have had it for about 4 or 5 months now and it goes from strength to strength... the only down side I would say is the keyboard, its different from my Kaiser/TyTN II but I am getting used to it and its working out... GPS is very fast at getting a fix (sooo much faster than my old phone its like a biplane vs a modern jet fighter) and the internet is awesome... so over all thumbs up from me, however I bet you will find negative and positive reviews... depends on the person using it and the reason they are using it I guess...

I have been owner of the X1 for about 6 weeks now and I am very satisfied. Of course, as any other device, it has some problems. This is what I don't like about it:
-Camera takes too long to capture, images get blurry if you can't hold the phone without ANY shaking (Camera Button is hard to press, which makes this difficult)
-Panel performance is poor
-Original audio recorder was removed, I believe, There is, however, a way to record with the built-in software: As a Voicenote. But you won't get a WAVE file or anything like this with it.
I've installed a lot of software meanwhile and BASICALLY performance is very well. The display may take some time to rotate when you slide it open. The biggest problem is, from my point of view, that, when you are answering a text message, it lags and you accidentally send an empty message. So you hit the Reply-Button with your finger, phone doesn't react immediately, so you think it didn't get it and you touch again, and it activates the Send-Button which will come in place of the Reply button, so you send an empty message. This has happened twice to me so far (I've sent about 100 msgs).
No other performance issues.
I can really recommend the phone. Features are fantastic and very well worth the price... This device is next-gen, a piece of future.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, it has no Ctrl-Key on the Slideout Keyboard. That's bad.
EDIT2: And just to convince you, I have running WMWIFIRouter on my X1. My phone provides me with WLAN through 3 walls over a distance of about 20 meters. Signal Quality on the Notebook is at about 40%. Isn't this crazy?

Thanks for your quick replies.
I'm a heavy "business user" although I'm still a student , it literally means that I've been using windows mobile devices only for its business functions (calendar, task, note,email, web...) and never care about other multimedia features.
The main reason for which I wanted to switch to Xperia (from HTC Touch) is its high resolution screen, still the screen seems to be relative small (3 inch), in comparison to HTC TOUCH HD.
I use smartphone to read ebook quite often, since HTC Touch HD and Xperia share the same resolution, does it really mean that Xperia can display the same amount of content as the HD does ? Or with the same content we will barely see anything on the Xperia because the screen is too small ? In case of an ebook, does it mean that the Xperia can display the same amount of words on the screen as the HD does and the page on Xperia is still readable ?
And what about those cracks, they look scared, I've just found several auctions on Ebay from people selling their cracked Xperia ...

I've just "accidentally" won a 1 month old Xperia on Ebay for only 300euro. Nevertheless I'm still waiting for your diverse opinions Just in the worst case I can resell it and save money for other device
Truth be told, I really want to keep this device ... waiting for positive reviews

I use my phone for reading all the time... usually for about 4 or more hours a day... in English and Chinese and its simply brilliant... clear and crisp... I was originally worried about the clarity, especially for the Chinese but find its just that good I am very pleased... as for cracks... I have not yet experienced this and from the various polls on this board it looks like it might be a minority from a particular colour (silver) and a particular batch... I have even dropped my phone a few times (each time filling my shorts that I had ruined my phone) but so far (touch wood) its still good...

Shadowdh said:
as for cracks... I have not yet experienced this and from the various polls on this board it looks like it might be a minority from a particular colour (silver) and a particular batch... I have even dropped my phone a few times (each time filling my shorts that I had ruined my phone) but so far (touch wood) its still good...
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Dont think this is limited to specific batches,
im on my 3rd device from a third batch (week 52 this time)
I now have 2 cracks, one on the silver trim and one near the volume button - this appears to be the common one...
dont get me wrong, it's a good phone, but I would suggest this is not just limited to one batch.

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Dont think this is limited to specific batches,
im on my 3rd device from a third batch (week 52 this time)
I now have 2 cracks, one on the silver trim and one near the volume button - this appears to be the common one...
dont get me wrong, it's a good phone, but I would suggest this is not just limited to one batch.
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Fairplay... I am just glad that mine is not one of them...

Any idea how these cracks could ever happened It is not from the manufacturing obviously but rather the cracks develop over time ... The reason might be the metal case getting bigger due to temparature , thus crack the plastic ones ...
I always take good care of my phone or any electronic device in general, my HTC Touch still looks absolutely new after 1 year of usage, if I ever experience those crack with the Xperia (hopefully not) then I'm going mad !!

xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. if your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.

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xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. If your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.
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yes i agree with that, get a hd it's much better for your needs, the screen is so tiny in xperia you will regret later belive me.

Okay, HD and X1 share the same number of pixels. But X1 has smaller screen. So the conclusion is you will see the same amount of information on both devices. However, things will appear bigger on the HD - but sharper on the X1. For reading ebooks, the HD is probably the better choice. It depens on whetehr you are interested in a slide-out keyboard. I think that's quite useful for "heavy business users". And on the space in your pocket BTW I have no Cracks at all.

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xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. if your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.
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I paid half the price in Poland 'cause I bought it without Polish menu... now i have Polish ROM so I think I made a good deal

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Okay, HD and X1 share the same number of pixels. But X1 has smaller screen. So the conclusion is you will see the same amount of information on both devices. However, things will appear bigger on the HD - but sharper on the X1. For reading ebooks, the HD is probably the better choice. It depens on whetehr you are interested in a slide-out keyboard. I think that's quite useful for "heavy business users". And on the space in your pocket BTW I have no Cracks at all.
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Ok, I dont mind if things are smaller on the X1 as long as they are still readable. I've never used a device with a keyboard before but I'm getting annoyed with the on screen keyboard of my current device, so a slide-out keyboard must be a plus.
On my opinion, the bigger screen of the HD is good for people who want to use it like an Iphone with their fingers. I'm happy with the stylus, so I think I will go for the X1

the firmware updates for the X1 are making the Xperia better and better (and more like the kickass phone it was supposed to be - check out the R3AA rom extracts under the TOuch-IT 4.5 rom thread!). Yes the screen is tiny, but the new Panels coming out + dedicated ppl like itje making custom firmwares makes this phone worthwhile

remember people tend to post on forums when theyre unhappy about something so theres goin to be a lot of negative comments and not as many positive ones to counteract them. as to the screen size, i use the built in opera browser to surf the Three website and everything is nice and readable. id imagine an ebook or pdf would be just as legible. and if you use it in landscape mode then the screen isnt much shorter than the average paperback book page. the X1 has the extra advantage of the optical mouse which would be quite handy for scrolling through pages. id recommend turning down the sensitivity one notch though.
i think my main recommendation is to not be too disappointed at first, theres so much software available to tweak and improve it so consider it a blank canvas. i wasnt too impressed when i got mine but now ive had a chance to customise it im much happier. everyday i find at least one new cool program to add

Xperia is practically same hardware as recent HTCs. It has same speed issues as HTC and vice versa.
If you want keyboard, I think Xperia is better then Touch Pro because it has 3.5mm jack.
If you don't want keyboard, I think HD is better because of the display.
Touchlo is good system, better then panels (IMHO), but it can be ported to Xperia, and many people does not use it even on HTC.
I say wait .. in a year there will be new WM, new faster devices, new Palm, and new iPhone maybe too.

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Any idea how these cracks could ever happened It is not from the manufacturing obviously but rather the cracks develop over time ... The reason might be the metal case getting bigger due to temparature , thus crack the plastic ones ...
I always take good care of my phone or any electronic device in general, my HTC Touch still looks absolutely new after 1 year of usage, if I ever experience those crack with the Xperia (hopefully not) then I'm going mad !!
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My personal opinion for the regular crack near the volume buttons, is that this is caused by stress from the battery cover / removing the battery cover. anyone with that crack, push down on the nearest corner of the cover to the crack, the crack gets smaller.
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Steve

Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 (Kovsky) is THE BEST HTC PHONE EVER
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Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 (Kovsky) is THE BEST HTC PHONE EVER
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28% for X1 is really great
i think the X1 is a great device, it has alot of plusses, some minuses.
mainly, it's not a multimedia device so don't expect much on graphics (although they work perfectly, but you can expect some problems from time to time). all other features are great, panels are good.
i have been using it for about 4 months, i bought it for 1000$, and i would say if time goes back, i WILL buy it again
previosly i have been using P910 & P1, they are both good, X1 is the best so far.
SE are really supporting the device, releasing updates, fixing problems.
the device came with R1A ROM, 3 months later R2AA08 was released, then they fixed some other things and released R2AA10 few weeks after.
i think SE are doing a great job supporting the device, they are doing their best to keep us happy, and most of us are.
the only problem of Windows Mobile is that it has lots of configuration and tweeks, install the wrong one or modify something wrong in the registery and you have to make a hard reset.
i LOVE my SE X1, and usually i have alot of arguments with friends who use iphone and it mostly ends with them hating their phones
hope i helped.

is touch hd better than x1?

unhappy x1 owner

Better screen, lighter, better UI.
What are you looking for in the answers?

maybe you want to explain why are you unhappy with x1
browsing this forum will give you all informaton about issues of the Blackstone
you can even find some compartive benchmarks between HD and X1
so, what exactly do you want to know?

is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?

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is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?
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no
no
don't think so

? so u mean x1 is better??

no i don't mean that as long as i own a HD and not X1
in some aspects HD is better is some other aspects is X1 that take the lead
for example, i never consider X1 just because it's thikness. i don't need the phisical keyboard because i don't text so much
so better is what is better TO YOU

how about the camera>

Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP

belon_cfy said:
Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP
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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....

leobox1 said:
? so u mean x1 is better??
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nope I dont think so... nearly the same... i compared them before buying my HD and to my mind the X1 is too bullky-to big. (FOR ME! Its my opinion, If you have big pockets, than its no problem!)
But I think you can play games better with yout X1! We dont have hardware buttons!!! :O
But I can read eBooks more comfortable , because the screen is a little bit bigger (but has the same resolution)

The screen makes all the difference, HD got a bigger and easy to use screen, X1 screen is recessed so you might have problems clicking on the screen limits like the X in the corner.
Also the keyboard and hardware keys of the X1 can be easy to use but they might fail after some time of intensive use.

noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
For me HD is awesome. Especially after upgrading/changing ROM. Absolutely love the high res, non-recessed screen. My only problem - complete lack of hardware buttons.
And it looks much much better than X1, but that's too subjective...
Internal hardware wise, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I've tried lots of HTC devices (including 200 MHz Omap processer - Charmer), and the only thing that makes a difference is amount of memory so that you can run more applications at the same time without worrying about running out of memory.

damac said:
AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
that is true, x1 is made by htc
the difference is the software designed by se programmers, some drivers that htc usualy miss, small issues like that
i assume though that there are also some hardware components specificaly requested by se, like metal casing, for instance
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X1 better than the HD ?
Personally I don't think so.
If you're someone that texts allot, you'd be happy with the X1 since it has the physical keyboard.
But the HD is lighter, thinner and the TF3D is more user friendly than the standard WM6.1 stuff on the X1.
Though you can change all of that by flashing your device.
The battery of the HD is ok.
I play alot with it and the batterylife can reach like 2 days max.
If I stop playing with it and use it for phoning only, it may reach 3 days.
The screenquality on the HD is the thing that does it for me.
Since its a bigger screen, the experience of watching movies or streaming media is far cooler than you'll ever get on the X1.
Together with the big screen you'll find the 3.5 mm earjack which you can use to plug your favorite audiophone.
Don't know if the X1 has a extention to plug 3.5mm audiophones...
I'd choose for the HD.
X1 is more practical sometimes, but the HD is in my opinion very stylish.
Even more stylish than the Iphone... I think.
Greetings and goodluck

noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
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Hmm I've had a few SE phones in recent history. I was very happy with my SE W810i, camera was pretty decent on that.
Upgraded to the K850i and hated the damn thing, especially the camera which while supposed to be 5mp was attrocious. I had so many faults with the model in the end Orange got sick of sending me new ones and upgraded me to the C902. Decent phone but again the camera was nothing special. I personally have found the quality on my HD better than the C902 which is also 5mp. I considered the X1 but have had so many issues with SE of late that i wanted to try something different and i am absolutely loving the HD so far.

touch hd
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...

stoolzo said:
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...
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stoolzo said:
..iphone next gen here I come...
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I will have a iPhone AND a HD
iPhone for playing HD for everything else (movie watching, eading, working, learning, sms-ing, phoning xD
The next iPhone should have at least WVGA resolution until then-HD RULEZ

10 Things I love about my HTC HD2

As an answer to all the negativity I am reading on these forums all the time, and which really makes me tired... For Chr*sts sake, stop whining and complaining and being so pessimistic about this phone and ENJOY it!
Anyway, 10 things I love about my HTC HD2, hope more will follow
1) The big screen: really a big + compared to all my other phones I had in the past
2) "Touch" -> Haven't had this before on my phones and it's a real pleasure! Gets some time to get used to it, but if you are, you don't want nothing else!
3) The speed: well what is there to say?!?
4) Windows --> Since I have a Windows rather than an Apple laptop, I think this is a big + for me
5) The great possibilities to tweak your phone as you want it
6) The dozens of Applications there are
7) XDA-forum and all the fellow LEO owners which are a lot of help
8) Great Graphics
9) (Universal) USB-cable to charge it and connect it to your computer
10) All of the above

Filipek88 said:
As an answer to all the negativity I am reading on these forums all the time, and which really makes me tired... For Chr*sts sake, stop whining and complaining and being so pessimistic about this phone and ENJOY it!
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Nice twist on the "usual" type of anti-winmo post. Refreshing to see!
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5) The great possibilities to tweak your phone as you want it
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Yes mate - I could not agree more. Rather than being an out-of-the-box-this-is-how-it-is device, it's pretty much a blank canvas where you can paint whatever the hell you like!
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10) All of the above
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That's just a funny one

Yes mate, I totally agree, I love my HD2, its such a fab phone. I have no problems with mine at all......However I can sympathise with those that have these problems, it must be frustrating to say the least.

OneGoodKnock said:
Yes mate, I totally agree, I love my HD2, its such a fab phone. I have no problems with mine at all......However I can sympathise with those that have these problems, it must be frustrating to say the least.
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Yes mate - there are some issues, but we'll overcome them, and the benefits DEFINITELY outweigh them!
Incidentally, please don't start any more posts with "yes mate". That's MY trademark lol.

johncmolyneux said:
Yes mate - there are some issues, but we'll overcome them, and the benefits DEFINITELY outweigh them!
Incidentally, please don't start any more posts with "yes mate". That's MY trademark lol.
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How's about 'Yes my friend' is that more appropriate for your tastes! lol!

One point I would add in it's favour (10a), it's not an iPhone

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How's about 'Yes my friend' is that more appropriate for your tastes! lol!
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Yeah, I like that. Just don't push me. lol

Hmm,
I hope you don't get someone come onto your thread and moan about how tired they are to see ALL these threads PRAISING the HD2 and asking for a Moderator to close it.
Strange, that's what seems to happen in the so called "negative" threads (search around and you will see what I am talking about).
Why we can't just don't respect all views, good and bad, I will never know.
WB

Im totally loving my HD2 too
After tweaking it a bit its truelly the best phone I have ever owned and I dont really see how it can be improved on.
I think the best thing apart from the magnificent screen is the capacitive screen. My last 3 phones have all had slide out keyboards and I was very apprehensive about going to the HD2 but the word recognition is amazing and I can now type faster than on any of the keyboards I have had.
Also going from a resistive screen to a capacitive screen is a godsend as I no longer have to get out a stylus everytime I want to do something or press HARD with my finger 3 or 4 times before anything happens.
Camera with the quality tweaks and video camera recording at 640x480 in mp4 is a pleasure and the sharpest picture I have seen. but then as all my previous phones have been HTC theres absolutely no comparison LOL. Loving the touch screen focus and very quick capture time.
I have the games I like installed and running smoothly, I have my applications that I need running without any poblems and christmas is going to be good this year when someone starts showing off their 'new' iphone 3gs and I turn on this bad boy
If/when HardSPL is completed and we can start putting cooked Roms on there wont be anything which evens comes close.

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One point I would add in it's favour (10a), it's not an iPhone
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2nd that!!!!

I was going to add why I love my Leo but was worried the thread might attract the attention of Sunking101. A fate worse than death seeing the impact he's had on other threads so far.
I've stuck with HTC because of XDA - it's as simple as that. And the Leo had 5 key specs that were critical to me:
- solid GPS implementation;
- accelerometer
- proximity sensor
- compass
- cut and paste text from day 1
For those with patience (meaning the release of hacked SPL) the first 4 elements add serious oomph to one beast of a phone package. No one has really integrated these functions yet (e.g. compass and GPS or proximity and accelerometer) but when they do we could have some really interesting results.
Plus, I've always tinkered with my electronics so a WinMo phone is a pandora's box - and I mean that in every sense!

Multi-touch feature is my favorite .

Yep. I like this thread
Yeah ...., I like this initiative.
First of all. I love xda forum. I could not imagine my life in the world of mobile devices without the input of all the great people here.
But ... I agree on the overall negative mist hanging over most threads.
I have owned many mobiles overthe years and none was without any flaws.
I have owned many new stuff and none was without any flaws. Cars, bikes, televisions, computes and even girlfriends.
I now that all of our complaints are massive input to the producers of our beloved devices. So keep up the good work.
But ... a thread like this sometimes is SUPERB to let everybody know haw great our gadgets are.
My HD2 is my 6th HTC devices and with every ne one I love it more.
Thanks for this thread!!!!!

xavierdemon said:
One point I would add in it's favour (10a), it's not an iPhone
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I would like to 3rd that! Since the introduction of the HD2, morale is high at iPhone Resistance Headquarters

xavierdemon said:
One point I would add in it's favour (10a), it's not an iPhone
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Then that's my reasons why I love the HD2:
1) it multitasks
2) it can queue notifications in an effective way
3) it can display anything on the homescreen
4) it serves as a USB storage device
5) it doesn't need buggy desktop software to sync with
6) it has a great camera with flash
8) it has a big WVGA screen, no waste of space for a stupid round button
9) it has all the important settings available without hacking it
10) it offers choice of browsers, media players etc.
11) it can download stuff from the web
12) it has a file explorer
13) it serves as modem or router without any problems or additional costs
14) all of the above and a lot more (speed, build quality, glass touchscreen, ultra fast GPS fix, ...)

seed_al said:
Then that's my reasons why I love the HD2...
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15. I do not have to beg at the feet of a monopoly in Cupertino, CA, to make changes to my phone, and I do not need anyone's approval to install the applications I want without "jailbreaking" my phone.
16. I can install the latest improvements and bug-fixes without putting my phone back into Apple jail.

My favourite feature.... Just look at it. Best looking phone I've seen. And it's so thin!

Did a clean out today and gathered all the old HD accessories and the phone into a box for ebay.
Started the HD (which still had a good charge after nearly five weeks).
Was amazed at how slow it is compared to the HD2.
I do love the speed on the HD2. I've seen this also in the last few days with the new Opera beta 2 which is super fast.
Oh, and the screen is rather good !!

Getting rid of MS Bluetooth stack was one of the biggest plus for me.
For some reason MS stack both on PC and WM has a low pitched noise with stereo audio. It was reduced by tweaking on the provious devices I had (cruise, hd,diamond) but never disappeared.
With HD2, thew AD2P quality is perfect out of the box with my headphones and this is one of the best features of the device. Perfect quality with AD2P (perhaps with the right headphones)

i pitty all those iphone users that can do, only things that mama apple lets them do, to THEIR mobile... hahaha
i really love my HD2 for every single feature that it has in it.... cant think of a more complete package on a phone at the moment right now... it has everything u need and then some!!