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Should I flash-ROM to a better WM version than T-Mobile's -- before installing ifonz?

I am not a developer; just an end-user. But I've read tons of threads, wiki entries for Herald, etc -- and I can't figure out the sequencing of what to install on my T-Mobile WING.
Everything I've read says that these OEM versions of windows come loaded down with crap that wastes device storage, and hampers performance. But I have been scratching my head trying to figure this out:
I for sure am using ifonz theme -- I have been using it for past week installed onto the T-Mobile default default, and the navigation system is so great, I love it. But I get lots of Memory error messages and freezes if I run ifonz, MortPlayer, and a browser such as NetFront or OperaMini... Just not enough memory avail to handle it all.
From reading, I have seen that various ROMs cooked here have performance boosts (whether it involves overclocking or whatever). So my question is: which ROM is best for this purpose for me -- to be the underlying windows OS running that enables me to run ifonz and several other apps without this problem?
What confuses me is that ROMs seem to be OS tweeks PLUS UI display functionality -- such as emulating the HTC Touch etc. I just can't decode all of this to understand what elements are best for my needs, and which components MUST be on device vs storage card, and which would be optimal to install on storage card so as to leave headroom on device?
I also have installed PCM Keyboard (but I can't get it to stick as the default keyboard; the windows one always comes back), MortPlayer, Comm Manager (love this!). I am so impressed by the current ifonz theme. I read the whole thread from its first release and practically every suggestion has been implemented -- that is so impressive. (I wont bog down this topic further.)
All suggestions appreciated. And thank you. I will be donating to each component's authors. Y'all are the best! I can't believe the productivity difference since modifyng my PoclketPC. Now I can actually use the many aps and utilities!

quicksite said:
I am not a developer; just an end-user. But I've read tons of threads, wiki entries for Herald, etc -- and I can't figure out the sequencing of what to install on my T-Mobile WING.
Everything I've read says that these OEM versions of windows come loaded down with crap that wastes device storage, and hampers performance. But I have been scratching my head trying to figure this out:
I for sure am using ifonz theme -- I have been using it for past week installed onto the T-Mobile default default, and the navigation system is so great, I love it. But I get lots of Memory error messages and freezes if I run ifonz, MortPlayer, and a browser such as NetFront or OperaMini... Just not enough memory avail to handle it all.
From reading, I have seen that various ROMs cooked here have performance boosts (whether it involves overclocking or whatever). So my question is: which ROM is best for this purpose for me -- to be the underlying windows OS running that enables me to run ifonz and several other apps without this problem?
What confuses me is that ROMs seem to be OS tweeks PLUS UI display functionality -- such as emulating the HTC Touch etc. I just can't decode all of this to understand what elements are best for my needs, and which components MUST be on device vs storage card, and which would be optimal to install on storage card so as to leave headroom on device?
I also have installed PCM Keyboard (but I can't get it to stick as the default keyboard; the windows one always comes back), MortPlayer, Comm Manager (love this!). I am so impressed by the current ifonz theme. I read the whole thread from its first release and practically every suggestion has been implemented -- that is so impressive. (I wont bog down this topic further.)
All suggestions appreciated. And thank you. I will be donating to each component's authors. Y'all are the best! I can't believe the productivity difference since modifyng my PoclketPC. Now I can actually use the many aps and utilities!
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It really depends on your likes and disliked. Try a few and see which one fits you best.
As far as the stock ROM goes:
ROM: Stock ROM vs Just2Clean
RAM: 11mb free vs 32mb free
Storage: 26mb free vs 65mb free
So yes, a custom ROM should solve the memory issues. ^_^

Okay, thanks. so would you want to put me into the ballpark of which ROMs are lean and most efficient for my needs?
If you're suggesting the DESCRIPTIONS of the various ROMS will make that obvious to me, well, okay... but I could use some recs...
Also: A followup for my grasping the concept:
When most people here are cooking up these custom ROMs, they are selecting various apps to stitch together into on overall release, right?
If so, I am trying to understand if there are appreciable differences between
(a) A stripped bare custom ROM.... and then my then adding and manually installing a la carte cab files for things like S2U2, Comm Manager, Mort Player, etc ...
and
(b) starting with a ROM that has those aps integrated into the one cab file?
That's too hard for a lay person to understand without an expert explaining, so I hope someone will do that.
If (b) actually enables efficiencies in performance, I would obviously want to use one of those ROMS.
If they are 6 of one and half dozen of another, and no code difference whatsoever as pertains to the way those individual apps perform within the package, then I guess it doesn't matter much at all.
Should I be posting to a different forum -- like maybe the Herald forum, to get specific recommendations on which ROMS would be god for me to start ourt with knowing that my end game is to run ifonz and similar iphone-like applications?
thanks!

quicksite said:
Okay, thanks. so would you want to put me into the ballpark of which ROMs are lean and most efficient for my needs?
If you're suggesting the DESCRIPTIONS of the various ROMS will make that obvious to me, well, okay... but I could use some recs...
Also: A followup for my grasping the concept:
When most people here are cooking up these custom ROMs, they are selecting various apps to stitch together into on overall release, right?
If so, I am trying to understand if there are appreciable differences between
(a) A stripped bare custom ROM.... and then my then adding and manually installing a la carte cab files for things like S2U2, Comm Manager, Mort Player, etc ...
and
(b) starting with a ROM that has those aps integrated into the one cab file?
That's too hard for a lay person to understand without an expert explaining, so I hope someone will do that.
If (b) actually enables efficiencies in performance, I would obviously want to use one of those ROMS.
If they are 6 of one and half dozen of another, and no code difference whatsoever as pertains to the way those individual apps perform within the package, then I guess it doesn't matter much at all.
Should I be posting to a different forum -- like maybe the Herald forum, to get specific recommendations on which ROMS would be god for me to start ourt with knowing that my end game is to run ifonz and similar iphone-like applications?
thanks!
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it all depends on what you want... if you want to use apps that you only like and dont like the ones that people have cooked, go with a lite rom or a clean rom.. if some of the apps and configs that the cooks have made work for you go with the ones that are fully loaded...
ivans roms are usally neked roms ( bare bones roms that run fast and efficent because he took out all the junk that you dont need, and that also slow the rom down )...
papa has a good rom out right now even though he has it customized you can still dissable some of the stuff on his rom and tweak it how u want...
for more info on the roms for the wing check out pureskillzzz thread on the roms of xda...
im going back to watching the basketball game...
check my sig for links to a slideshow of ttrans open touch 5.0ul and papas black rom...
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if you like ifonz ( which I did too when i first saw it - its a good app) read up on ultimate launch or throttle launcher which takes the ifonz concept to another level... ultimate launch is good because you can customize it to look like ifonz with the icons, but you have more power with your device... ifonz is a ipod type launcher and it also drains the phones memory.

thanks very much!... that's interesting re other launchers and performance. (i know i'm in over my head but is that because ifonz was written in .NET vs native code ? i thiught i read that somewhere).
QUESTION: is there a "Browse by Photo Gallery" forum or wiki section... that lets one see the look/UI of the theme, launcher, etc of the various roms, as a means for narrowing down choices?
thx

quicksite said:
thanks very much!... that's interesting re other launchers and performance. (i know i'm in over my head but is that because ifonz was written in .NET vs native code ? i thiught i read that somewhere).
QUESTION: is there a "Browse by Photo Gallery" forum or wiki section... that lets one see the look/UI of the theme, launcher, etc of the various roms, as a means for narrowing down choices?
thx
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nah but you can check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395793
and read thru the reviews...
I recomend ttrans or papamops roms... then itjes, and ivans roms... the first 2 cause those are the ones that i have tried....
what are you looking for in a rom... read the link that i gave you about the reviews of most of the roms on here

I didn't know there are these many ROMs out there now... WOW what a collection!
To OP: to make your pcm keyboard sticky, search for SIP change. This utility will automatically change to whatever SIP you choose after reboot so you don't have to manually select it.

everyone's gonna recommend something different. i personally prefer just2clean. it's exactly that. smooth, fast, and clean. honestly, of all the roms i've ever flashed, it's the only one that i've had absolutely zero issues with. i don't mind taking the time to install each program i really want. most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
so really, it all just come down to your own preference. just check the herald rom development section. i think pureskillz (maybe?) did a write up on various roms and his pros and cons on each.

alongenemylines said:
everyone's gonna recommend something different. i personally prefer just2clean. it's exactly that. smooth, fast, and clean. honestly, of all the roms i've ever flashed, it's the only one that i've had absolutely zero issues with. i don't mind taking the time to install each program i really want. most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
so really, it all just come down to your own preference. just check the herald rom development section. i think pureskillz (maybe?) did a write up on various roms and his pros and cons on each.
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yes that is true, but the point of trying different roms is seeing what programs and configs that you like the best, then after time ( how ever long the herald is around ) you will try a lite rom or clean rom and add the programs that you want to it... thats what im doing right now... there are a few that are great from the get go, but sometimes you dont need all that extra stuff...
that brings me back to the original question what do you want in the rom that you flash ??

thanks so much! This is exactly what I have been seeking... some kind of top-level context.
I love this community... and thank you for your personal recs as well.

wearefree said:
To OP: to make your pcm keyboard sticky, search for SIP change. This utility will automatically change to whatever SIP you choose after reboot so you don't have to manually select it.
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wow! thank you so much!

alongenemylines said:
most of the other roms come with lots of extra programs that i have no use for, and can't delete, since there isn't an add/remove item for them... they're cooked in with the rom.
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Another of my primary questions answered. Thanks so much! I was trying to learn the practical differences between apps cooks in, and installing cab files a la carte.
My own recap:
(1) YES, flash to a better ROM to free up memory, remove OEM junk
(2) There is no gallery of ROM photos of interfaces, but a great REVIEW thread of lots of ROMS
(3) Apps as part of the ROM makes them unremoveable.
(that recap's for other newbies like me!)

quicksite said:
Another of my primary questions answered. Thanks so much! I was trying to learn the practical differences between apps cooks in, and installing cab files a la carte.
My own recap:
(1) YES, flash to a better ROM to free up memory, remove OEM junk
(2) There is no gallery of ROM photos of interfaces, but a great REVIEW thread of lots of ROMS
(3) Apps as part of the ROM makes them unremoveable.
(that recap's for other newbies like me!)
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i have slide shows of 2 herald roms and 1 wizard rom in my sig...
right now im running pappamops rom and its very good, good to use right away, just a little tweaking, has alot of storage and its fast, plus you can dissable anything that you dont want to use right now( mainly Ultimate Launch ) you will need batterystatus ( you can disable the theme )... one of the best roms if you like to put your own stuff on the phone...

Custom Roms?

Are custom roms not just a collection of tweaks and minor cosmetic changes already available as individual cabs, or is there more to it?

Custom roms are simply ROM images that contain the base image that you will get when you perform a hard reset of the device. i.e. windows mobile packages that the creator included + any HTC specific packages + any other 3rd party apps the creator included + pre-set registry tweaks and settings + drivers.
Just read the threads to see what changes to the drivers, what registry tweaks have been put on, what windows core files and apps have been included as well as what HTC apps have been included or excluded and whatever else the creator has included - often XDA shutdown, file commander, task managers etc.
It is especially useful if you have sms messaging issues with HTC messaging app which can be stripped out. Or if you want speedy performance without senseui hogging memory.

Which would you say is the most radical Rom made, the ones i have seen on the list page all seem to include minor tweaks and minor visuals already available as individual Cabs...or am i missing the point?

they dont want to mess it up too much otherwise you might have unstable device. look at the benchmarking thread here.
L3v5y has most ram free. it will also show which is nippiest. you will see that they do eek some performance benefits over stock.
still, it's a mobile phone for 24/7 use. cooked rom isnot ideal for everyone

Thanks for the info.

I'm gonna hold fire on the cooked ROMs for now, until one is released which cures the actual problems with my HD2 on a stock ROM, namely the slow loading on the SMS software and the connection issues over GSM/3G for Peep.
It gets really interesting when the chefs start releasing ROMs with a new OS. That's when the ROMs on my old omnia really grabbed my attention as chefs released TouchFlo and WinMo 6.5 for the Omnia. When the ROMs for the HD2 start bringing really tangible new stuff to the HD2, that's when I'll start using the customs ROMs. The HD2 is still new, so these types of custom rom will take a while. I reckon the milestone (pardon the pun) will be when someone manages to port the Nexus ROM to the HD2. Then the HD2 will become the phone to have, as you will have the choice between stock HTC Sense, or the Nexus OS with an even bigger screen.

Forgive me guys...

I know you all hear this stuff every day, so at the risk of sounding like an idiot....
I have spent several days reading through all the countless hundreds of posts on ROM mods, tweaks, etc. and I find my head swimming! I read through all the FAQ and Newbie threads on the board, and I must admit that despite it all, I still have so much I do not understand. Let me try to be direct.
I have almost no experience with registry editing and the last time I did any it was so long ago, that I forgot how to do it. I have literally zero experience with Windows Mobile OS. What I need to know is:
If any of you were buying a Leo now, as I am about to do, where would you start? What are the top three things (for example) that I should do to get the most performance out of the device? Can the Leo be used "stock" and actually function? I have heard so much about the dreaded SMS bug, etc. that I hesitate to pull the trigger, so I am just looking for some feedback, so I can proceed with the most caution. I don't want to brick my Leo, so I prefer to stay on the safe side, but I willing to push the envelope if needed to gain functionality.
For the record, I am coming from a Symbian background, and I have actually hacked my 60v5 device, so I can learn, but Windows is not comfortable for me. I am a Mac User, but I do have XP installed on my Mac via Bootcamp partition.
All this ROM flashing stuff seems pretty complicated!

I was in the same boat as you are, long time since windows mobile.
first day or two took alot of info in.
best thing to do.
start using it, once you find a problem or desire a feture then come here, and most likely someone had asked for the same thing.

I used the stock TMO hd2 for a couple of days with no problems except when i ported over all my old phones files the lag caused by excessive texts stored under a contact made opening texts or editing details for that contact really slow. I archived all my old text messages using the myphone feature and deleted them from my phone - now no problems. All the other apps and features were excellent, so once I got used to the phone I felt 'ready' to take on some tweaks.
If you need to edit the registry direct to utilise a tweak (in the event of there not being a CAB for it or whatnot) then I used a program called TRE which works like regedit on your pc. just remember all the values given are in decimal unless stated otherwise. From the Leo hints n tips sticky I personally used tips 14, 56, 62, 63 for the camera modes and tips 36, 37, 39, 65, to boost overall performance.
Lastly, if you dont get a youtube app with your phone (probably the case if youre with tmobile) then installing it seperately will currently stop the camera album videos from playing due to file conflicts, tho the youtube app itself will work. A way around this is to use a tweak to fool opera into letting youtubes site recognise you have a flash enabled browser, from this thread and do without the youtube app so you can still play videos in the album view. It all depends on what youre wanting to get out of your phone, and how you plan to use its features. Ive managed to get by without needing to flash to a different rom.
Also 2 apps to work together that I find indespensible is myplayer and coreplayer (though you could get tcpmp or whatever its called as the free alternative to the latter) so I can watch catchup tv.
Hope this helps!

i was like that before as well, but im getting the hang of things now, just installed hspl so hopefully when a newer rom version comes out i will be installin this

Like you I came from Symbian and it is very different!
There are some basic things missing that will annoy you but for the most part it is fine.
Install BSB Tweaks, this program as solved alot of my annoyances.

IMO u should use Xannytech ROM cause at least the free adjustments are all included (BSB too) + it's quite beautiful and I found only one but not very annoying bug.
As explorer I still think the Resco Explorer is the best (with Registry Editor).
I think that's all u need.

I'm in the same boat having come from iphone, I have no idea how it all works. I am trying to get my head around this registry editing at the moment and deciding whether or not to take the plunge :-/
The phone does work out of the box, but coming from an iphone I want to install a few apps/cabs such as converter, ebay etc. The guys on here have been very helpful indeed, although sometimes I need things explaining in numpty terms becasue I don't understand all the tech terms

I am from iphone background however.
many things that we are doing with the cabs and tweaks on this phone are not avalible with the iphone.
for example LED notification
task manager
task switcher.
camera \ video tweaks
player tweaks
etc

NetDwarf said:
IMO u should use Xannytech ROM cause at least the free adjustments are all included (BSB too) + it's quite beautiful and I found only one but not very annoying bug.
As explorer I still think the Resco Explorer is the best (with Registry Editor).
I think that's all u need.
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I have just looked into Resco explorer and there are 2 versions, windows mobile pocket PC, and windows mobile smartphone, which one works for the HD2. Also it's pretty pricey $19.95 I think, are there any free downloads?

Karlos G said:
Like you I came from Symbian and it is very different!
There are some basic things missing that will annoy you but for the most part it is fine.
Install BSB Tweaks, this program as solved alot of my annoyances.
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What exactly is BSB tweaks, and what is the latest version? I've found 1.10 and 1.6 so far

You do have a file explorer there already (very basic) , and a lot of people use total commander. TC is not very finger friendly, but you can edit the look of it in preferences.

I just got my phone last week and this is my first wm phone. I have been spending all my free time searching for apps and tweeks for my hd2 and found that the first thing to do is check out the offical uppdates on htc homepage.
After that i would suggest BsB tweeks and ram sweeper, Chainfire driver patch 1.1, NetC Framework 3.5 Resco explorer/regeditor, coreplayer and opera mini.
Gl hf!

I have just looked into Resco explorer and there are 2 versions, windows mobile pocket PC, and windows mobile smartphone, which one works for the HD2. Also it's pretty pricey $19.95 I think, are there any free downloads?
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You want the pocket pc version.
There are free file explorers (Total Commander) and registry editors (PHMEdit I think is one), do a search on the Leo parent forums for "file explorer" etc. or look on google, alternatively install a custom rom, some of which are bundled with the software
snerkler said:
What exactly is BSB tweaks, and what is the latest version? I've found 1.10 and 1.6 so far
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1.6 is the latest version
BsB Tweaks lets you configure some/most of the stuff in the Leo Hints and Tips forum sticky post without you having to go through the registry to do it yourself. Pretty slick. Also does some stuff that isn't in the sticky.

Can someone please give me a link to the BsB Tweaks?

I had artemis before my HD2, and never head of this page until i got my HD2.
Very easy is to install/upgrade ROM connect active sync, double clik on ROM file and 10 min later a new ROM is installed. I have not tried any of the Custom ROMs from here. Because i Like my Danish ROM.
Some of the Qustions from above can U find here ppcwarez.org Which was help full to me

Forgive me guys..
donalgodon said:
Can someone please give me a link to the BsB Tweaks?
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Here is a link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589305
Most things relating to the Leo can be found by searching the forum ( sometimes I find that it is quicker to do a Google Seach which then takes me to results within XDA).

Having a couple of questions about the HD2 - also considering flashing!

Hi there.
I have owned the HD2 for about a month. I find it difficult to say for sure whether I like it or not - it diffently has a lot of both pros and cons. But since I am not looking to give a review of the device I just have a few pressing questions that I have not been able to find the answer to while doing alot of reading in these greats forums.
1. I have problems with both stability and lag. Could a possible ROM switch to say "energy (the newest version)" fix that?
2. Are the custom ROMS considered better than the stock ones - or is it mainly just because it is fun to be able to completely mess around with your phone?
3. If I choose to switch to energy's latest ROM is there some way for me to get my Danish T9 dictonary to work on the ROM - I have not been able to find the answer to that simple question while reading through those almost terrifyingly many pages contained in the thread for the energy ROM!!!! Found something about Chinese or Korean input... not helpful!
4. A side question: Is there a way to disable the function in HTC''s sms program that makes it able to input a different letter than the one pressed? Say you I have have pressed "e" but accidently released it on "r" making it type "r" instead of "e" - annoying the hell out of me.
Right now I am using my HD2 together with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.4 - the change of interface alone has seemed to reduce lag - but of course the Mobile Shell is not as "connected" as HTC's Sense interface, and I miss my music player and twitter integration :/
Hope you are not going to get a stroke or brain bleed because I did not RTFM enough
Thank you for your time reading this

From my experience with cooked ROMs, it seems like some are just as stable if not more so than stock ROMs whereas others can have more problems... You'll just have to try a few and see which one you like.
Cooked ROMs are nearly always faster than stock and they usually have much more up to date versions of the various system components and programs.
The main reason I decided to flash a cooked ROM was to get the updated TMOUS camera drivers which fixes the overexposed effect that made the LED flash more or less useless. I'm using Dutty's V6 Hybrid at the moment and it uses a different bluetooth stack. I can't tell you why but it does make music sound better (when using a bluetooth headset obviously) and it's much faster than my old 1.44 stock ROM...
I hope those examples show why cooked ROMs can be so amazing. Just be careful not to flash a stock ROM with the latest SPL from your microSD card or you'll be stuck with it...

I prefer tweaking the default rom. This is not to say that the cooks don't do a good job i just prefer not to get too extreme with the custimization. I do tweak the registry and i have installed a different spl and updated the radio. It's also been overclocked and so far i'm very happy with it (at the end of week 2 of ownership). The tweaks and the overclock combined with the 3D gfx driver that you can get from here have solved the lag and speed issues with all programs except for the messaging application.
I've also installed several applications including SRS WoW HD, a WM 6.1 style task manager, WIFI remote access and phm regedit. I've also updated the facebook application and dropped a copy of office mobile 2010 on.
At the end of the day the choice is yours. My phone is as stable as a rock right now and never crashes although i must say it wasn't but i found, like most people, that the problems were caused by a particular program. In my case it was a slightly dodgey remote desktop client that it turns out i didn't need anyway. It's also feels as responsive as my very expensive desktop pc (specs below).
The issue you mention with text messaging could be solved by decreasing the sensitivity of the touch interface or (and this is what i do) rotate the phone to landscape mode and type like that. It makes the keyboard wider and a bit easier to use. You could also get a foldable bluetooth keyboard.
What route you take is entirely your choice so if you think a custom rom is the right route to take go for it. There are some many out there your not going to be short of choice so it may be worth exploring more than just energy's roms.

Thank you very much for your answers
Well, I predict that if choose to flash some custom ROM, that i will spending alot of time trying out the different ROMs of the different chefs, but then again, i do not feel completely satisfied with the way my device is running now.
I have actually recently flashed back with a stock ROM... Tried to install some different radios so that I would get better reception, but I was no different. Plus i didn't think flashing radios was as "dangerous" as flashing ROMs How can i check if my device has been "locked"?
I also think that I have narrowed down the problem with the lag (not the instability) to when the facebook integration of my contact is downloading new info (every 2 hours right?), lags horribly for about one minute throughout the whole menu, actually, every time it accesses the internet to either update tweeter, face or check for email, it lags!
I am hoping these things can be overcome by flashing a new ROM, if that is even possible for me now :S

If you have reinstalled a stock rom you will probably need to install an unlocked spl again. To do this you'll need to get a copy of hspl or hspl2 (look in the rom development board). flashing the radio is less danagerous to a certain extent but i advise you have look for customruu there is a version that is configured not to wipe the device after install. I would post a link but i'm out and about and all my resources are on my desktop.
The lag you experience with the facebook/twitter integration i haven't experienced as i don't use it but i do have an exchange server that is configured with direct push and i don't have any lag with that. It may be worth you looking into the 2 tweaks sticky threads and implementing some of them. I would also suggest that you have a look for the 3D gfx driver and netrippers LCS which will allow you to disable the processors autoscaling. You may find this illiminates the lag. It certainly did the trick for me.

Unless you use a ROM with the TMOUS camera drivers you might as well not have a flash for taking pictures in dark settings. I spent quite some time just playing around with my old stock ROM too but in the end I gave in because of this issue...
Flashing from the microSD is the safest way to flash anything just make sure that you're battery's fully charged (to be on the safe side) and it's not a stock ROM with an SPL included which would overwrite your HSPL.

Here is a question based on your last comment, Neo, and i'm only asking because i noticed an image was over powered by the flash at around a metre distance. is it possbile to install the tmous camera driver on a stock rom and if so where do i find it?
I found a thread with a link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5866852&postcount=13) but it fails to install on my stock 1.66 rom and looking at the thread many other too. Although that thread reveals - consistant with neo's comment - that the driver is included in many cooked roms based on the tmous 2.10 (and above) rom

Okay guys. Thanks for the tips. I guess I will have to install HSPL again and this time try to flash Energy's ROM. Don't know if it has the new camera drivers, or if it has those nice bluetooth drivers (I have noticed the voice quality is not very good on my bluetooth headset).
3D GFX and that CPU program, check!
Guess I will also try that "Slide to Unlock", saw it in a youtube demo and it had many more features than i originally thought... nice!!!
So if I understand this right, flashing a stock ROM with the stock SPL does not remove the ability to install HSPL again? But it is just annoying having to install HSPL all over ?

nuvogue7.0 or baroggi44's new build?

hey been using nsfans 6.5 rom for a long time now, wouldn't mind trying a new rom.
looking for quick and stable, which rom is better nuvogues 7.0 or baroggi44's new build...anyone tried both yet?

Fair question!
I always encourage people to try both! Barogi44 was pretty much inspiration to try my hand at my own!
And to be totally honest, NuVogue 7.0 is a little bit of a dive in a different direction from the previous 6. It has some features, such as a unique UI, that might not even continue in 8.0 and beyond (I wanted to tinker with it, but it can sometimes slow down the system a little more than I like).
Two things about my build: first and foremost: I put stability above all else when I cook my ROMs - if a program will make it unstable, I won't include it - you can install it yourself, later if you really want it - but if I think it will compromise stability, I'm leaving it out. Second: I always hear that mine boots extremely quickly - but I don't think "boot time" should be a determining factor in which ROM you use! It's always about what you're looking for in your build - which programs are pre installed, how stable the ROM is, etc...
If you have the bandwidth and a little bit of time, I say: give'em both a try! Barogi44 certainly has more users than I do (based on thread length and feedback alone!), so to be honest - that may just be a tell tale sign in itself!
NuAngel

I'm currently using your latest rom now NuAngel. It is fast and stable, which important to me.
I flashed to barogi44's latest build durng my post, it boots slower than yours...his home screen is like the htc-default except abit flashier. but i like your drop/up down list layout as well.
where' gps in your rom?
also if v7 wasn't so large, there's a lot of things i wouldn't put in there...maybe i can try cooking my own rom, what apps do i need to try...anyways NuAngel, the rom is work great so far, i like the photo 'scratch' effect for pictures, kind of neat....sometimes its just little things that make me like a rom more than another, good job!

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, NuVogue has gotten VERY big lately, but that's the addition of the care-pack: if you look under File Manger and the root of the phone, you can see there is a folder called "NuVogue Care Pack" - that folder is just a bunch of Installers that you can use to install many popular programs (including a better version of the EZ Input Keyboard, Swype, if you want it, Google Maps, and more!) - without the need to take the time downloading all of the giant CABs. If you don't want any of those programs, just delete the NuVogue Care Pack folder - it will warn you that these are system files, but you can just go ahead and delete them, it won't cause any problems.
As far as where's the GPS? That I don't know - not sure what "GPS" app you're looking for. GPS works perfectly in other programs such as Sprint Navigator, Google Maps, Trapster, etc... but if you're looking for a particular program, I'm unsure what you're used to using.
Also - if you'd like to switch the interface to the Manila style with the large clock, you can simply click START > SETTINGS > HOME SCREEN > slide right to ITEMS > and check the box that says TouchFLO. I like Titanium, though - I find it much faster.
Any further questions, just put them in the official NuVogue thread.
NuAngel

baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.

Here is how I see it after trying pretty much everything out there (including Android) on my Vogue:
For the best (IMO) newer 6.5 ROM that includes newer TouchFLO - I'd choose brack21's ROM over on PPCGeeks. It is a ROM that I never had to reboot, found it very stable and fast.
For the Titanium only ROM that fast lean and mean, I'd pick nuvogue 6.0. I did not install 7.0 but am now running 6.0 with few Titanium customizations: installed Home Screen Customizer from Marketplace, which gave me Contacts and App launcher in Titanium. I also installed Titanium Notifications add-in which gives me notifications in Titanium too. (The only problem with that is that notifications do not display correctly as there is some overlapping font issue if you had a missed call). Perhaps 7.0 is best for that...

i'm using nuvogues 7.0, so far so good...i'll try the one you suggested, thanks for the input.

Thread moved to General. Next time, please use either the Q&A thread or post under General if you have questions like these.

jadesse said:
baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel

NuAngel said:
Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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You are right newer doesn't necessarily mean better especially when it comes to MS. I just thought that I would point out 28014 is an older build. I really haven't really noticed much difference between the different builds. Somewhere the start icon was moved to the bottom. However,I am currently not running either.