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Ideas for my new ROM

Hi guys. I am in the process of doing research into making my own ROM. I would like to know if you have any requests or ideas for me to base my ROM on. I want to know if there are some features, apps or configuration that you would like to see that other ROMs may not have.
Anyway let me know here and i will try to include the most popular options.

I got one...
I L-O-V-E the Khanx Touch Navia.
HOWEVER, the only thing missing, in my opinion, is a calender tab that I can see my upcoming appointments. In the original M2D you can only see 1 app ahead.

I would like to see a ROM without M2D, but with Throttle Launcher. Not everybody likes Manilla.

Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
I need just serial ROM with all the unnecessary stuff removed, such as microsoft bug report, touch cube etc, with optimization tweaks and without side software at all. I'd say lite version of the serial 6.1 ROM =)
All of us got their must-have software so just let people choose what they need.
All the ROMs existing now are a kinda clones, its have very similar functionality... The mistake of the most of rom-makers is that they are trying to provide all possible features together with their ROMs. They insert there manilla, opera, config tools and many more, and I guess it takes them a lot of time to have all this things work together. Then after some time this "extra" tools getting updated and you have to develop updated ROM and catch new bugs...
Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...

I am going to look into two versions.
Naked build
lightweight and simple.
only the essential apps (to be decided)
basic config/customisation tools
Skeleton build
bare bones
no extra apps
basic config/customisation tools.
t1m said:
Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
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I had a quick look for this, but couldn't find what you mean. can you please send me a link.

t1m said:
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
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I agree....I tried all the new ROM's and finally went back to pre 6.1 more memory, faster speed, reliable phone and most important - Clean customised installs and screens.
I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! I have no interest in Manila, 3d or whatever - just a naked build and my own apps - whatever needed- installed have over 50MB to play with and nearly 2+ days battery life -what more could i ask for?

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...I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! ...
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i will check them out. sounds like a good place to start

Ideal ROM for me:
1. Fast and stable build (probably official HTC build is better than some leaked build)
2. Minimum software - no cube, no customer feebback, no opera, no manila, no windows live and live messenger etc.
3. Performance tweaks included
4. Video call support (I mention this since recently many chefs drop this functionality from their ROMs)
5. Maximum free RAM

How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
Also remove some apps to make the system faster.
In my case, I dont need the audio booster, audio manager, calculator and getting started.
Regards,
Luciano
HTC Cruise
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil

How's the cooking going Jabba1701?
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How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
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That won't help you at all Luciano. The program works by sending the location to another phone by sms. That phone number has to be cooked in the ROM, else it would be gone upon hard reset. So this kind of applications only works when you cook your own personal ROM.

Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.

working on this ROM has been pushed back in the queue a fair bit. We are currently getting our house up for sale so we can move for our kids school next year and my wife's new job. There are a few things i'd like to look at to make testing the ROMs a bit easier and quicker (ie an emulator or similar) but i really haven't had the time to even google it.

Hi, I agree with all previous comments. In my case I like to build my own UI with WAD so I do not like m2d/manila/htc roms. They look all the same to me and I still end using additional software for photos, music and even contacts
I am very happy with the rom I am using: swtos light rom (see my signature).
The only problem is swtos is not anymore with a touch so I do not expect any updates to new builds. I would say I have a 0 bugs rom, with 160 mb for programs and circa 50 mb free ram. I do not plan to go back to wm 6.1 official or to try other roms if I do not have relevant new features over this one in terms of performance.
Since swtos is not cooking polaris anymore he may be willing to share the kitchen. You can see in the thread that people is happy with this rom and missing swtos new work.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- naked roms are so naked that are only good for very advanced users. light roms most of the times already include config tools, ui and basic programs. I think a really naked but pre-configured rom would be great.
- I would suggest to explore radio compatibility. It seems to be a nightmare quite often and many people do not want to flash the phone many times.
- I suggest to concentrate on performance, scrolling and Ram recovery and exploit current hardware as it is rather than bringing it to the limit (eg. 3d drivers)
Bepes rom I think is much older than swtos so even if it is well known for its stability, I would not use it as the starting point.
Good luck !

I'm attempting to build an ultra-clean ROM from one of the public releases recently.
I tried one from c_shekhar but it contained some very confusing (to me) entries on Language and SYS versions.
Trying one of M'Amine's next

ianl8888 said:
Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
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sorry mate, not sure how i missed your post when giving an update.
I am the same as you with how i use my phone, it is more like an organiser and computer that just happens to have a phone in it. I use mine for Geocaching, tomtom, email, twitter, photos, brain training games..... and i occasionally get a phone call or SMS or two.
Do-dads are great fun to try out, but the novelty wears out over time, and they just suck up resources and slow other apps down and hurt stability.
At the moment i am trying out the more popular lite ROMS to see what they do and how they perform so i can get a feel of to expect from mine.

Newbiest question ever

Whats The Difference inbetween the themes i see here and a Rom?
Some of these look like whole Roms. WHy use roms if themes can give you that same effect?

Custom ROMs are always changing -- Removing un-needed applications; add the newest updated features to the OS; better memory & power management
Themes and Shell UIs are IMO nice to look at, although they are hell on the system resources - Mainly you free memory

cgadrian said:
Custom ROMs are always changing -- Removing un-needed applications; add the newest updated features to the OS; better memory & power management
Themes and Shell UIs are IMO nice to look at, although they are hell on the system resources - Mainly you free memory
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really?
the stock rom takes about 44 percent of ram, while the 6.5 roms take like 77%
how much do themes take? i havent used one yet

Bmore_vicious said:
really?
the stock rom takes about 44 percent of ram, while the 6.5 roms take like 77%
how much do themes take? i havent used one yet
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it depends on what "theme" .. and ROMs go deeper into the device, .. its like hmmm .... its like the different between Windows and Windows theme, .. for example you can install Linux on your machine and install above it "Windows XP" theme ... so it looks like Windows XP although it is linux!
... hmmm was that a bad example? Lol

irkan said:
it depends on what "theme" .. and ROMs go deeper into the device, .. its like hmmm .... its like the different between Windows and Windows theme, .. for example you can install Linux on your machine and install above it "Windows XP" theme ... so it looks like Windows XP although it is linux!
... hmmm was that a bad example? Lol
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hey hey dont be condescending lol
i said it was a newbie question when i asked.
Keep in mind having said this, i have zero experience with a them and a decent amount of experience with ROMs...
i just want to know the advantages and disadvantages of both

Bmore_vicious said:
hey hey dont be condescending lol
i said it was a newbie question when i asked.
Keep in mind having said this, i have zero experience with a them and a decent amount of experience with ROMs...
i just want to know the advantages and disadvantages of both
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well the way i can explain the difference is pretty much think of a ROM as an upgrade, like having a computer with windows vista and then getting windows 7 on it. the things you primarly see are that they updated how some things look and maybe took out some stuff or made it easier to use. thats how a ROM is like some of the devs like to add some programs or change it up for something else or change some things to make it run faster or save your battery... the list goes on and on.
then a theme is pretty much just changing how things look. they can also have things to make it faster but all the programs you had before are still there.
well thats all i got on how to explain the differences between them. hoped that helped or clear up somethings that made you confused

Ok, so to recap that for you
Advantages of themes:
Changes the look of the phone (layout of course)
When installing it does not erase the data in your phone (Contacts, Pics, ... etc)
Sometimes they have extra tweaks
Easier to install than ROM upgrades
Disadvantages of themes:
Most of the times if they are too "graphic-y" they tend to take a lot of resources (slowness)
Advantages of ROM upgrades:
They not only change the look and feel of your phone, they change how your phone works.
They add extra programs, tweaks, functions .. etc like from WM6.1 to WM6.5, you see relativity big change between them in the menus, how they work, ... etc
You have variety of ROMs here, you have alot of options (not sure about themes)
Sometimes the chiefs (ROM makers) aim to make the ROMs run faster (so your phone will be running faster), while sometimes they tend to make it splashy and with cool graphics, sometimes a little of both
Disadvantages of ROM upgrades:
The process of upgrading could be tedious to new comers.
If you are not careful you could brick your device
It wipes the phone memory clear, (you have to back up and restore)
Sometimes they are not stable, they tend to crash alot (mostly because chiefs go after the new leaked things, which is not completely compatible with our devices, but the chiefs try so hard to make it compatible)
I dont believe i missed anything, thats about it ..

Forgive me guys...

I know you all hear this stuff every day, so at the risk of sounding like an idiot....
I have spent several days reading through all the countless hundreds of posts on ROM mods, tweaks, etc. and I find my head swimming! I read through all the FAQ and Newbie threads on the board, and I must admit that despite it all, I still have so much I do not understand. Let me try to be direct.
I have almost no experience with registry editing and the last time I did any it was so long ago, that I forgot how to do it. I have literally zero experience with Windows Mobile OS. What I need to know is:
If any of you were buying a Leo now, as I am about to do, where would you start? What are the top three things (for example) that I should do to get the most performance out of the device? Can the Leo be used "stock" and actually function? I have heard so much about the dreaded SMS bug, etc. that I hesitate to pull the trigger, so I am just looking for some feedback, so I can proceed with the most caution. I don't want to brick my Leo, so I prefer to stay on the safe side, but I willing to push the envelope if needed to gain functionality.
For the record, I am coming from a Symbian background, and I have actually hacked my 60v5 device, so I can learn, but Windows is not comfortable for me. I am a Mac User, but I do have XP installed on my Mac via Bootcamp partition.
All this ROM flashing stuff seems pretty complicated!

I was in the same boat as you are, long time since windows mobile.
first day or two took alot of info in.
best thing to do.
start using it, once you find a problem or desire a feture then come here, and most likely someone had asked for the same thing.

I used the stock TMO hd2 for a couple of days with no problems except when i ported over all my old phones files the lag caused by excessive texts stored under a contact made opening texts or editing details for that contact really slow. I archived all my old text messages using the myphone feature and deleted them from my phone - now no problems. All the other apps and features were excellent, so once I got used to the phone I felt 'ready' to take on some tweaks.
If you need to edit the registry direct to utilise a tweak (in the event of there not being a CAB for it or whatnot) then I used a program called TRE which works like regedit on your pc. just remember all the values given are in decimal unless stated otherwise. From the Leo hints n tips sticky I personally used tips 14, 56, 62, 63 for the camera modes and tips 36, 37, 39, 65, to boost overall performance.
Lastly, if you dont get a youtube app with your phone (probably the case if youre with tmobile) then installing it seperately will currently stop the camera album videos from playing due to file conflicts, tho the youtube app itself will work. A way around this is to use a tweak to fool opera into letting youtubes site recognise you have a flash enabled browser, from this thread and do without the youtube app so you can still play videos in the album view. It all depends on what youre wanting to get out of your phone, and how you plan to use its features. Ive managed to get by without needing to flash to a different rom.
Also 2 apps to work together that I find indespensible is myplayer and coreplayer (though you could get tcpmp or whatever its called as the free alternative to the latter) so I can watch catchup tv.
Hope this helps!

i was like that before as well, but im getting the hang of things now, just installed hspl so hopefully when a newer rom version comes out i will be installin this

Like you I came from Symbian and it is very different!
There are some basic things missing that will annoy you but for the most part it is fine.
Install BSB Tweaks, this program as solved alot of my annoyances.

IMO u should use Xannytech ROM cause at least the free adjustments are all included (BSB too) + it's quite beautiful and I found only one but not very annoying bug.
As explorer I still think the Resco Explorer is the best (with Registry Editor).
I think that's all u need.

I'm in the same boat having come from iphone, I have no idea how it all works. I am trying to get my head around this registry editing at the moment and deciding whether or not to take the plunge :-/
The phone does work out of the box, but coming from an iphone I want to install a few apps/cabs such as converter, ebay etc. The guys on here have been very helpful indeed, although sometimes I need things explaining in numpty terms becasue I don't understand all the tech terms

I am from iphone background however.
many things that we are doing with the cabs and tweaks on this phone are not avalible with the iphone.
for example LED notification
task manager
task switcher.
camera \ video tweaks
player tweaks
etc

NetDwarf said:
IMO u should use Xannytech ROM cause at least the free adjustments are all included (BSB too) + it's quite beautiful and I found only one but not very annoying bug.
As explorer I still think the Resco Explorer is the best (with Registry Editor).
I think that's all u need.
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I have just looked into Resco explorer and there are 2 versions, windows mobile pocket PC, and windows mobile smartphone, which one works for the HD2. Also it's pretty pricey $19.95 I think, are there any free downloads?

Karlos G said:
Like you I came from Symbian and it is very different!
There are some basic things missing that will annoy you but for the most part it is fine.
Install BSB Tweaks, this program as solved alot of my annoyances.
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What exactly is BSB tweaks, and what is the latest version? I've found 1.10 and 1.6 so far

You do have a file explorer there already (very basic) , and a lot of people use total commander. TC is not very finger friendly, but you can edit the look of it in preferences.

I just got my phone last week and this is my first wm phone. I have been spending all my free time searching for apps and tweeks for my hd2 and found that the first thing to do is check out the offical uppdates on htc homepage.
After that i would suggest BsB tweeks and ram sweeper, Chainfire driver patch 1.1, NetC Framework 3.5 Resco explorer/regeditor, coreplayer and opera mini.
Gl hf!

I have just looked into Resco explorer and there are 2 versions, windows mobile pocket PC, and windows mobile smartphone, which one works for the HD2. Also it's pretty pricey $19.95 I think, are there any free downloads?
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You want the pocket pc version.
There are free file explorers (Total Commander) and registry editors (PHMEdit I think is one), do a search on the Leo parent forums for "file explorer" etc. or look on google, alternatively install a custom rom, some of which are bundled with the software
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What exactly is BSB tweaks, and what is the latest version? I've found 1.10 and 1.6 so far
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1.6 is the latest version
BsB Tweaks lets you configure some/most of the stuff in the Leo Hints and Tips forum sticky post without you having to go through the registry to do it yourself. Pretty slick. Also does some stuff that isn't in the sticky.

Can someone please give me a link to the BsB Tweaks?

I had artemis before my HD2, and never head of this page until i got my HD2.
Very easy is to install/upgrade ROM connect active sync, double clik on ROM file and 10 min later a new ROM is installed. I have not tried any of the Custom ROMs from here. Because i Like my Danish ROM.
Some of the Qustions from above can U find here ppcwarez.org Which was help full to me

Forgive me guys..
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Can someone please give me a link to the BsB Tweaks?
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Here is a link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589305
Most things relating to the Leo can be found by searching the forum ( sometimes I find that it is quicker to do a Google Seach which then takes me to results within XDA).

wm 6.5 titanium vs sense questions

I have searched many threads and have learned alot.
I am a newbie to wm 6.5
I liked the sense ui but since I have disabled sense my phone is rock solid.
So what are the advantages of sense vs wm6.5 titanium.
The problem I find is going to the start screen to open apps I use most.
Maybe I mist it. I have looked all over the web how to customize the home screen for quick links to apps I use most often in WM 6.5 titanium mode. Also how do I remove default apps/preloaded apps from the phone that i will never use to reduce clutter. Another question! When installing apps. Should I install to the phone or the mem card. Are there advantages or disadvantages
I think it would be good to have a thread or section devoted to using the HD2in titanium mode only TM USA HD2. How to custmize it, etc.
Thanks
Newbie Tayte

tayte2003 said:
I have searched many threads and have learned alot.
I am a newbie to wm 6.5
> Welcome to XDA Dev!
I liked the sense ui but since I have disabled sense my phone is rock solid.
So what are the advantages of sense vs wm6.5 titanium.
Personal preference really. Sense UI does more but is more memory intensive. There is less to Titanium so therefore crashes less (not that sense crashes *that* much!)
The problem I find is going to the start screen to open apps I use most.
Maybe I mist it. I have looked all over the web how to customize the home screen for quick links to apps I use most often in WM 6.5 titanium mode.
I believe there is some Titanium editing software called CHome, you will find it in here somewhere. It will allow you to customise it quite a lot!
Also how do I remove default apps/preloaded apps from the phone that i will never use to reduce clutter.
I'm afraid, short of just deleting the apps from Program Files (which only removes a small part of the overall installation, so avoid that), use a custom ROM. Install HSPL and flash one of the many many great ROM's on here or on HTCPedia. Have a look at the ROM thread for more information
Another question! When installing apps. Should I install to the phone or the mem card. Are there advantages or disadvantages
Either is fine. I prefer to use the phone storage as it's likely to be faster than a memory card as it's proper flash memory (IIRC). Also as I flash my phone a lot, I don't want old "Program files" folder sat on my mem card of old installations. I keep it for music, videos and downloads!
I think it would be good to have a thread or section devoted to using the HD2in titanium mode only TM USA HD2. How to custmize it, etc.
I'm afraid not enough people use it enough to justify a section. You could always start a thread though
Thanks
Newbie Tayte
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Hope that is of some help Tatye!

nuvogue7.0 or baroggi44's new build?

hey been using nsfans 6.5 rom for a long time now, wouldn't mind trying a new rom.
looking for quick and stable, which rom is better nuvogues 7.0 or baroggi44's new build...anyone tried both yet?

Fair question!
I always encourage people to try both! Barogi44 was pretty much inspiration to try my hand at my own!
And to be totally honest, NuVogue 7.0 is a little bit of a dive in a different direction from the previous 6. It has some features, such as a unique UI, that might not even continue in 8.0 and beyond (I wanted to tinker with it, but it can sometimes slow down the system a little more than I like).
Two things about my build: first and foremost: I put stability above all else when I cook my ROMs - if a program will make it unstable, I won't include it - you can install it yourself, later if you really want it - but if I think it will compromise stability, I'm leaving it out. Second: I always hear that mine boots extremely quickly - but I don't think "boot time" should be a determining factor in which ROM you use! It's always about what you're looking for in your build - which programs are pre installed, how stable the ROM is, etc...
If you have the bandwidth and a little bit of time, I say: give'em both a try! Barogi44 certainly has more users than I do (based on thread length and feedback alone!), so to be honest - that may just be a tell tale sign in itself!
NuAngel

I'm currently using your latest rom now NuAngel. It is fast and stable, which important to me.
I flashed to barogi44's latest build durng my post, it boots slower than yours...his home screen is like the htc-default except abit flashier. but i like your drop/up down list layout as well.
where' gps in your rom?
also if v7 wasn't so large, there's a lot of things i wouldn't put in there...maybe i can try cooking my own rom, what apps do i need to try...anyways NuAngel, the rom is work great so far, i like the photo 'scratch' effect for pictures, kind of neat....sometimes its just little things that make me like a rom more than another, good job!

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, NuVogue has gotten VERY big lately, but that's the addition of the care-pack: if you look under File Manger and the root of the phone, you can see there is a folder called "NuVogue Care Pack" - that folder is just a bunch of Installers that you can use to install many popular programs (including a better version of the EZ Input Keyboard, Swype, if you want it, Google Maps, and more!) - without the need to take the time downloading all of the giant CABs. If you don't want any of those programs, just delete the NuVogue Care Pack folder - it will warn you that these are system files, but you can just go ahead and delete them, it won't cause any problems.
As far as where's the GPS? That I don't know - not sure what "GPS" app you're looking for. GPS works perfectly in other programs such as Sprint Navigator, Google Maps, Trapster, etc... but if you're looking for a particular program, I'm unsure what you're used to using.
Also - if you'd like to switch the interface to the Manila style with the large clock, you can simply click START > SETTINGS > HOME SCREEN > slide right to ITEMS > and check the box that says TouchFLO. I like Titanium, though - I find it much faster.
Any further questions, just put them in the official NuVogue thread.
NuAngel

baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.

Here is how I see it after trying pretty much everything out there (including Android) on my Vogue:
For the best (IMO) newer 6.5 ROM that includes newer TouchFLO - I'd choose brack21's ROM over on PPCGeeks. It is a ROM that I never had to reboot, found it very stable and fast.
For the Titanium only ROM that fast lean and mean, I'd pick nuvogue 6.0. I did not install 7.0 but am now running 6.0 with few Titanium customizations: installed Home Screen Customizer from Marketplace, which gave me Contacts and App launcher in Titanium. I also installed Titanium Notifications add-in which gives me notifications in Titanium too. (The only problem with that is that notifications do not display correctly as there is some overlapping font issue if you had a missed call). Perhaps 7.0 is best for that...

i'm using nuvogues 7.0, so far so good...i'll try the one you suggested, thanks for the input.

Thread moved to General. Next time, please use either the Q&A thread or post under General if you have questions like these.

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baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel

NuAngel said:
Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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You are right newer doesn't necessarily mean better especially when it comes to MS. I just thought that I would point out 28014 is an older build. I really haven't really noticed much difference between the different builds. Somewhere the start icon was moved to the bottom. However,I am currently not running either.