I just found another painful bug....this one is related to charging (battery). I normally put my qtek on charge all through the night when I go to bed. For the last 4-5 days I have been unplugging the device when it showed 100% charge, put it on standby (no wifi,btooth,gsm etc.) and made sure there were no applications running. I usually leave it in the standby state for 2 hours while I finish my morning exercise.
whenever I return, I see a power loss of 20%!! I was shocked to see how I could loose 20% in 2 hours ith my device on standby mode. this time, I even made sure I pressed the power button before I closed the lid, and still...no luck :-( I still lost 19%
I guess the problem is, when the charger is connected and the battery gets completely charged, it stops charging further. I guess it reaches a fully charged state within 2 hours, and the battery starts to drain all through the night...and wm5/htc don't start charging once again when the levels go down....i'll have to do a cuple more tests until I can totally confirm that this is the bug...until then, are anyone of you guys experiencing the same problems?
Another thing I forgot to mention, once again I charge my battery from 80% to 100%, and it lasts through the entire day(12 hrs) and drops to only 40% with highhh usage (bluetooth ON throughout, gsm on with 3hrs talktime, and some light gprs usage). so it really is not a problem of my battery as I see it!
Cheers,
San
Hmmm. I hate to say, but I don't see that problem. But I do have the unlocked JasJar Universal from HTC, not the qtek. If this happens with other qtecs, maybe they load a custom software that is acting up. In fact, I could leave the device on for two straight hours off a 100% charge and I don't think I'd lose 20% unless the phone was on too.
DaleReeck said:
Hmmm. I hate to say, but I don't see that problem. But I do have the unlocked JasJar Universal from HTC, not the qtek. If this happens with other qtecs, maybe they load a custom software that is acting up. In fact, I could leave the device on for two straight hours off a 100% charge and I don't think I'd lose 20% unless the phone was on too.
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have you tried charging your device for well over two hours before unplugging? (around 8-9 hours of charging for instance?)
I don't really think it has anything to do with the qtek rom/device. the qtek rom has the least ammt of customisations on it...
I still suspect that the charging process halts and it starts to drain the battery....but the os doesn't reinitiate the charging process once again....hmm
I'll have to wait till tomm before I can do another round of checking....tomm, I want to charge it....and before I unplug, I'd remove the battery and put it back and see what it indicates...I suspect that the power would have already dropped to ~80% by then...that's the only explanation I can think of at the moment....
San
Hi Dreamtheater!!!
I exactly follow you as far as charging is concerned and I hv a Jasjar....just to inform you...I started charging yesterday at 11.30 PM and just got up to see the charge..it is 100%...no power loss...
hdubli said:
Hi Dreamtheater!!!
I exactly follow you as far as charging is concerned and I hv a Jasjar....just to inform you...I started charging yesterday at 11.30 PM and just got up to see the charge..it is 100%...no power loss...
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it shows 100% for me too...but in just 2 hrs, it drops to 80% which is weird! from then on, it drains normally...
I still need some time to nail the exact cause for the problem...hmm!
S
Hey dreamtheater, I charge my Exec overnite everynite just like you. Usually at least 7 to 8 hrs everynite, but I have yet to experience what you mentioned here. My Exec always start fresh from 100% and by the time I get home at nite, it will drop to about 70% so no, I'm not getting the batt drain issue like you do..
I did not experience any such behaviour with my Qtek. It charged fine over night and had 100% battery when unpluged.
Are you sure your's does not wake up for some reason after you suspend it?
Dreamtheatre, I charged my XDA Exec overnight (7 hrs) and after 2 hrs with GSM/UMTS radio on the unit lost 5% battery charge.
@DT,
You need to set the device to switch off after a specified time interval. This can be done by going to start>settings>battery>advanced and check the device timeout box. I usually set it to 1 minute.
Last night i was browsing on my JJ and fell asleep while doing so, IE and notes and inbox applications were still open. When i started, the battery level was 93%, i browsed for about 10 minutes over Wifi before i fell asleep. The device shut itself off and when i woke up the battery level was 82% which is prportionate to my 10 min WiFi use and probably 1 minute standby time before it shut itself off.
Try it out, i'm sure you will stop seeing the massive battery drain
Cheers.
Another thing. Contraty to what people think, keeping the universal's battery topped off improves battery life. Prevent it from dropping all the way to say 30% or so. You will notice the difference in battery life in just about a week or so
Another source of battery drainage i've found is when i'm charging my Exec from the USB connection on my PC - If I leave my Exec connected and put my PC into standby, it will literally suck the life out of the battery over the course of a few hours!
I think some of you have got me wrong...let me restate the problem...
I charge all night
Wake up with 100% charge
Pull off the charger
Leave it on standby for ~2 hrs (no apps running, gsm, wifi, all off)
Come back, and find a ~20% drop
Back to my findings now.......
Another morning, no luck :-(
It had 100% charge...I pulled off the battery, put it back in and restarted....still showed 100%, so I guess it really was fully charged after all. This time I turned off receive incoming beams as well....left it for a couple hours, and was disappointed to see 82% when I got back :-(
However, through the day I get excellent battery life....all day's use ends up consuming roughly 30-40% charge which is excellent compared to my prev xda2 which would comparitively loose all of it by eod. I guess if I park my device in flight mode it tends to start draining quickly....now that's my only available reason or cause that I can think of....
tomm I guess I won't put the device on flight mode and leave it just On instead. This is weird because its just me having this problem :-(
San
PS: I'm using the regular ac charger itself for charging...hmm
DT, I disabled PowerSave and switched off the GSM/UMTS radio on my Exec. After about 8 hours I had lost about 30% charge. So your 20% does seem high. It could just be the battery as loss of charge is not linear. Why not let it drop to say 60% and then do your test again. By the way there spare batteries seem to be available now for the Universal.
Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that their battery doesn't charge to full when using the wall charger or USB? I have LiPo chargers from RC cars and I have used one to discharge and fully charge the battery to 1400mah and found that the phone seems to have much better battery life than when charged with wall charger / USB.
When charged with the external ("direct") battery charger, I can get to 4211mv whereas normally with the wall/usb it only goes to 4173mv max. From what I know of LiPo/LiIon batteries, they need to get to their max charge voltage (~4200mv) or so and stay there for some time to get full charge.
I have noticed that my phone has terrible battery life when compared to my Touch HD which used to get 20hrs+ of full use on 3G/HSDPA, same usage pattern with push e-mail and I can't even get 12hrs with the Nexus One before the battery runs right down. And I thought the Touch HD had bad battery life!
Any help / feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks!
It's interesting I see this as today has been a very odd battery day. I woke up and unplugged it at exactly 5am. For 7 minutes I checked e-mails and twitter and it had dropped 3%!!! By 8am I was down to 82% (ride in to work, listening to music for 25 mins, thats about all) I was thinking this was getting silly. It's now 5pm here and I'm still at 61%?!?! So, over the first 3 hours it went 6%ph, since then it's done 2.3%... that's the best I've ever got from it.
Could this be related? It's not really fully charged, even though it shows 100%, drops very quickly and then when it returns to where it perhaps should be (around 80%) it acts as normal?
What is a LiPo charger and how can I use one to charge my Nexus battery?
http://blog.quantifly.com/?p=2
iMAX B6 is what I have been using. I have another heavier duty one but this one is good enough for the battery. I have a generic battery charger thing which I got from China which holds the battery while the other unit charges it. Right now as I write this, my phone has been on for 1hr 25minutes after being charged with the charger, I have used the browser for 10minutes, on 3G, downloading things etc. and it is still on 4211mv and 100% charge.
Curious if this is an issue with the onboard battery microchip, or the radio/firmware. Does anyone know where to source an original replacement battery (non-generic replacement)?
The batteries in these smart phones makes no sense. The other day, I charged the phone overnight using USB, and the next day, I was at 97% after 3.5 hrs. Then, another day, with basically the same usage, I'm down to 85% after 3.5 hrs. No rhyme or reason. I wish someone could explain it.
I also wish someone could make a battery that lasts for 48 hours on normal use
"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then
xPatriicK said:
"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then
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Yep. That was the same thing with my Pre. It would never stay at 100% for more than a few minutes, and then it would plummet into the 80's, and then it would be okay.
Battery Antics
I purposely left the phone not to charge last night from about 1AM - and I woke up (around 9:30AM) with it at 99% charge still. Used it for a bit and it dropped to 89% and now it's 1:06PM and it dropped to 75% with calls, web browsing and some other stuff. Previous days to this it would be at 75% after just 2-3 hours!
I also noticed that the phone didn't download any e-mails overnight (since there's no "scheduling" for peak/offpeak like in WM I assumed this shouldn't happen?) which may account for the minimal discharge.
All in all very strange, seems like I am not the only one with these problems - maybe I'll try get another battery and see what happens!
The thing about the battery in a smart phone is that it has a micro chip in it, and the phone reads info from it to give us the battery meter(this is true of any phone, actually)... your LiPo charger reads charge in a similar manner, only it doesn't talk with the batteries chip, instead it does it's own thing(I will spare the details)
With this in mind, what you want to do to get the most out of your battery is get the chip in the battery, and in turn the "circuit" it completes with the phone properly calibrated. To do this, you want to run the phone's battery down until it turns itself off. Do a battery pull and let it sit for a little bit (at least 30 seconds, I usually wait several minutes)... then, put the battery back in, and turn the phone on. One of two things will happen, it will either power off before fully booting, or if it does not you will want to use the phone until it powers off again.
At this point, pull the battery again and let it sit out of the phone for a bit again. Then put it back in, and without trying to power the phone on, put it on the charger and leave it on the charger until it is fully charged "green light comes on" plus a couple hours.(best to leave it on the charger overnight) At this point, take it off the charger, and then turn the phone.
This will properly set the low point and the high point for the battery stats. Do not do this a lot, it is bad for a LiIon battery to be "deep cycled", which this comes really close to doing. Ultimately, the phone is not going to charge the battery as high as a LiPo charger will, nor will it discharge it as low, because unlike an RC car's batteries that are used for rapid discharge, these batteries are designed and used in a slow long term discharge.
Thanks, I'll try that myself
Do you run any risk of damaging the battery when charging with a LiPo?
How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
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10. Keep the phone off, it'll not drain the battery at all!
So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.
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I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)
jahmann82 said:
I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)
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I second this as well. The tips given by nuc70st is only applicable in the old days with nickel based batteries (Ni-cd and Ni-MH), which for the past 5 years mobile phones have in general stopped using and have shifted to lithium varieties. Nickel Cadium and a smaller extent Nickel Metal Hydride suffer from "memory effect" so it was important to deep cycle the batteries to maintain its capacity.
Lithium batteries in contrast should be treated in the opposite. You should keep it charged up whenever possible, and fast discharging (draining its charge as fast as possible) actually does more harm than good. Most mobile phones don't discharge it fast enough for it to be problem, but plugging a lithium battery in a purpose made discharger is still a no-no.
I dont know if anybody else can try this with their N1 but I have recently noticed that when my battery does its initial.. drop to 95% before you can wonder what happened, I can charge it with the phone on and the green light stays on, implying that the phone is fully charged.
Then I turn the phone off and charge it, and the red light quickly comes on and allows another hour? of charging before the green light will re-appear.
I think i'll be trying leaving my phone on and on charge overnight and then turning it off while I get ready in the morning and don't necessarily need it.
The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged
AndyCr15 said:
So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?
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I'm right and the other guy is dead wrong. Deep cycling was better for nickel metal hydride batteries, because it helped delay the memory effect.
No such issue for Li-ion batteries, plus charging makes Li-ion batteries HOT, which isn't particularly good for the battery. So numerous charges leads to less exposure to prolonged heating.
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
all very good tips, but its just funny that to save battery life we cant use ours phones as they where intended for us to use them. I need dilithium crystals.
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mikesm1234 said:
all very good tips
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Oh dear. Have you read this thread?
No, they are not good tips...
Rusty! said:
The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged
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I noticed that just last night! Are you supposed to keep charging it until its 100% or stop it from charging when the green light turns on?
Cheers,
M
Hello, Im noticing that the battery charge is too short.
I disconnected it from the computer (battery at 100%) at 23:00. Inmediately put it on fly mode (all services disconnected, low battery consumption). When I wake up at 9 o'clock, the battery was like 60% (and disconnected fly mode). Now, at 11, the battery is like 40%...
Yay, I usually charge it every night... I don't want to charge it twice/day.
I don't know if trophy have now battery problems or is just wp7.
Anyone with the same problem?
If you just got your phone, I think the battery was not run in yet. I have the same problem for the first 3 charge. Now battery life is slightly better than my old omnia 2 which last me 12-14 hours as I am a heavy user.
It have like 15 charges. It usually takes longer to uncharge, but not today, I will test it more days.
Thanks for you reply.
Sounds like there could be something wrong with it. Mine is a lot better than the HD2. I'm not a heavy user, but I get like an hour of music/radio on the way to work, then a few calls and SMSs during the day, an hour of music/radio on the way home - and it's still on like 70% when I set it to charge before bed time.
Update: seems location services cut the battery life in half. MS needs to do something about it to make it more efficient.
battery ??
How can i check how many % of my battery left
I've charged my Trophy about 4 times and the last time i overcharged just like in formating a battery ( i know the bqattery in Trophy doesn't require it but I can't hurt can it??).
The last time I charged it was on the new years eve just before midnight between 22-23. Now the battery has been showing the "critical battery mode" thingy for about two hours. I admit that I am not a heavy user however per day I make couple of phone calls, I make a few SMS and use the 3G mobile network/ WiFi(if available) to check internet write a mail, Facebook etc. and about 30 minutes / per day of music...( need to say that I don;t use the standard phones which came out of the box but Seenheiser 515HD model )
I have set the 3G and mobile data etc off, the brightness level to automatic, set the theme to dark etc. to save the battery as much as I can.