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LG eXpo (1GHz, QWERTY, & Projector!!!)

I'm thinking what could replace my trusty X1. After a bit of surfing it was down to the Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 with it's AMOLED screen and 900mhz.
But I've now found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWlhOYGXAuw
I could do with a bit more ram (only has 256/512 rom).
But I like the add on projector. Ideal for keeping in your laptop bag and plugging on to the phone when you want to.
What do you guys think?
Rans,
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I like the phone, without the projector. With LG, I won't have to pay HTC tax, which seems ludicrious, with HTC Diamond (1)'s costing more than an X1.

I think its kinda cool, but in all reality the only thing cool about this phone is the projector.

How would that projector actually work? By using native app or projecting device screen (clone mode) ?

matejdro said:
How would that projector actually work? By using native app or projecting device screen (clone mode) ?
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I'd guess its clone mode, so you could use it for presentations etc.
I would imagine that the LG build quality means that the keyboard works without the iiiiiii oooooooo etc, and it doesn't crack down the sides if you look at it
I would rather have a better camera than the fingerprint reader (had one on a M900, sold it within a week) but all in all it ticks the right boxes for me.
• Network: GPRS/EDGE Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 MHz),
UMTS/HSDPA Tri-band (850/1900/2100 MHz)
• Camera: 5.0 MP autofocus, digital 3x zoom with built-in flash
• Dimensions: 4.45″ H x 2.16″ W x 6.3″ D
• Memory: 512 MB ROM + 256 MB RAM
(expandable 16 GB microSD™)
• Display: 3.2″ 16M color WVGA (800×480 pixels)
• Battery: 1500mAh Li-polymer
• OS: Windows Mobile® 6.5
• Bluetooth®: v2.1 with A2DP
• Wi-Fi: 802.11b/g with WPA2 security
• Email: Outlook®/Direct Push, POP, IMAP
• Messaging: Threaded SMS, MMS, Email, IM
• Keyboard: Side-sliding QWERTY
• Processor: Qualcomm 1 GHz
Highlighted Features:
• Integrated Pico Projector (sold separately): Allows users to project
images, videos and more on a screen up to 40″
• 5.0 MP AF camera with built-in flash
• Simultaneous voice and data with multi-tasking
• Touchscreen Windows Mobile 6.5 – the new Windows Phone
• Innovative 5-way navigation fingerprint sensor
• Turn-by-turn directions with AT&T NavigatorSM (sold separately) and
built-in GPS
• Access to your favorite AT&T Wi-Fi Hot Spots with built-in Wi-Fi
• Vivid display with 16M color high resolution display
• 3G HSDPA 7.2 Mbps broadband data speeds
Email, Messaging, Productivity and Internet Solutions:
• Access work and personal email accounts
• SMS, MMS, IM (AOL®, Windows Live™ and Yahoo!®)
• Microsoft Office® Mobile including Word®, Excel®, PowerPoint®
and OneNote®
• Internet Explorer® Mobile
Multimedia Tools and Services:
• Windows® Media Player
• AT&T MEdia™ Mall, MusicID, XM Radio™, MobiTV® and Games
Rans,

The only issue is firmware... LG sucks at software - I used an LG Arena, it was slow and clunky.
Hopefully there'd be chefs willing to cook for it.

rickysio said:
The only issue is firmware... LG sucks at software - I used an LG Arena, it was slow and clunky.
Hopefully there'd be chefs willing to cook for it.
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Should'nt be a problem since its a WM 6.5 Device.
LG only had Problems with there on lousy software.
I think LG will not install any "addons" that will make that phone really crapy.
With Windows Phone they have a good base at least.
Btw. i'm missing infos about a G-Sensor.
If there is one, it would really be an alternative to the X2

Yes it does have orentation sensor
LordK said:
Should'nt be a problem since its a WM 6.5 Device.
LG only had Problems with there on lousy software.
I think LG will not install any "addons" that will make that phone really crapy.
With Windows Phone they have a good base at least.
Btw. i'm missing infos about a G-Sensor.
If there is one, it would really be an alternative to the X2
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I just picked up a Telus LG IQ (this is the Canadian version of the eXpo) and it does change orientation based on how you hold it..in some apps...for instance Internet explorer will change to landscape if you turn the phone on its side.

YES please chefs!
rickysio said:
The only issue is firmware... LG sucks at software - I used an LG Arena, it was slow and clunky.
Hopefully there'd be chefs willing to cook for it.
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I just picked up the Canadian version and am VERY looking forward to a cooked ROM or two....

XDA doesn't support non-HTC phones, so don't count on any ROMS here.

Not so there are lg incite roms here

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Not so there are lg incite roms here
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Although you brought that with a lot of fervor, I don't see any evidence.
I wouldn't be too surprised if a few ROMs for other WM phones are around the forums - people from other sites come and share here too.
Fact remains, there won't be an LG eXpo section on XDA, as it's not an HTC manufactured phone, unless the XDA administrator changes the rules.
You know I'm right and I know I'm right - lets just stop messing about.

It's a pity this site is so linked to HTC and not windows mobile phones in general. The ability to run Microsoft products on various hardware manufacturers equipment gave it the advantage in the popularity stakes. If they had stuck with a single manufacturer like IBM I'd be typing this (and you would probably be viewing this) on a mac.
The original XDA was a ground breaking piece of kit, and it sporned this site, but there's some great WM phones out there and I'm sure that some of the software they have could be ported to HTC's devices.
Maybe it's time for the mods to open up this site to all WM devices and take the site to the next level, rather than a blinkered approach to a single hardware manufacturer.
Whats your opinion Mods?
Rans,

I don't think you'll reach a lot of mods by posting in this topic - for that you should go to the general XDA forums, or maybe ideas and suggestions.
However, without ever having browsed those forum sections, I can tell you that this must've been suggested thousands of times already.
I think one of the main problems is the scope. Earlier on, HTC was the main WM phone manufacturer. Now there's so many companies out there doing the same..
Even HTC has way too many WM phones already (try looking for one in the main forum, it's a huge list). If we'd add all other WM phones, the forum would get a mile long.

Ratchet8clank said:
I think its kinda cool, but in all reality the only thing cool about this phone is the projector.
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Not true - Snapdragon, 1 GHz.

AstainHellbring said:
Not so there are lg incite roms here
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Ast' is right. There are LG Incite ROMs. Search under Xcite.

I am so excited for the expo. i think that is what i will be sticking with for a few months maybe years. plus i hate paying the htc tax.

josefcrist said:
I am so excited for the expo. i think that is what i will be sticking with for a few months maybe years. plus i hate paying the htc tax.
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I agree that it seems pretty sweet. Not flashy, but great speed and features - like what we all wish the x1 could have been. I hope the camera and video recording are good. I wish they'd sell an add-on xenon flash in addition to that projector.

Angelusz said:
Although you brought that with a lot of fervor, I don't see any evidence.
I wouldn't be too surprised if a few ROMs for other WM phones are around the forums - people from other sites come and share here too.
Fact remains, there won't be an LG eXpo section on XDA, as it's not an HTC manufactured phone, unless the XDA administrator changes the rules.
You know I'm right and I know I'm right - lets just stop messing about.
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Sorry to be the guy that challenges what other people say but there is a dedicated sony ericcson X1 section, so I am assuming that other devices are eligible. I think its a litttle important to mention that unlike the rest of the world, this is the first US phone to drop with a QSD, I am thinking of getting one myself, but will wait to see if ROMs are getting cooked as a stock device will not do.

True, but HTC made X1.

EVO not coming to UK/Europe - how effed is that?!

Ok, so it's apparently "confirmed" from an HTC rep that this phone isn't coming to the UK shores
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/03/24/htc-evo-4g-next-gen-network-hopes-dashed/
How fuct is that?? I would have bet the farm that this phone would have been a sure seller.
Really baffled by this, if true...

I'm sure there will be a Euro or UK version of something "very similar."
I mean, this phone is basically an HD2 on speed, so it wouldn't surprise me if HTC made a GSM version of the EVO (probably sans WiMax since it's not popular over there yet, iirc.)

Exactly what I was thinking - had it not been for Winmo, I think the HD2 would have been a much better seller.
And now the EVO which is, as you say, a super-charged HD2 with Android and 8mp camera..
I just cannot see the marketing sense in NOT bringing it out over here in the UK (and Europe).
Unless they have some different version of it ready to drop on us under a different name "sans 4g"..

It wil come to europe, although ofcourse a modified version. Earlier specs of supersonic have confirmed a GSM version. Why it came to the US first, I don't know. Most of the time they first release a European version and then move on to the US. Perhaps HTC's brand-building in the US has been noticed and Sprint went ahead to discuss a deal for this phone. Non the less it could also be that the announcement coincided with an earlier event in the US, than one that is in the EU. I do remember how many rumors there where about a US release of the HD2 yes/no. Well, we all know now that did happen.

Don´t worry for that, it will come, as stated above, in a different flavour but sure you´ll have it
Remember this strategy of giving the "privilege" some time to Europe and some times to America of having it first

I suggest they make a "World" launch this time

Hey europe had the HTC HD and it wasnt released over here, but afer time it came but. Howw is that different?

For once us Americans get the upper hand on the cell phone wait game. I'm sure you guys will get the same phone a few months later.

I hope so. Want to buy the Evo... Cant stay with hd2 anymore

burgertime said:
For once us Americans get the upper hand on the cell phone wait game. I'm sure you guys will get the same phone a few months later.
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Agreed, and really susprised that Sprint is gona have the best phone out on the market for awhile. Apple = Dead after this phone drop lol
Dan Hess aint messing around

EVO GSM version is a advanced MAX 4G
The EVO is a advanced version of the HTC MAX 4G with CDMA support.
It should be very easy for HTC to move to a EVO GSM version.
HTC MAX 4G specifications:
Processor: Qualcomm® ESM7206A™ 528 MHz
Platform: Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional
Memory: ROM: 256MB / RAM: 288MB / Flash: 8 GB
Dimensions: 113.5mm X 63.1mm X 13.9mm
Weight: 151 grams (with battery)
Display: 3.8-inch TFT-LCD flat touch-sensitive screen with 480 x 800 WVGA resolution
Network:
Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:900/1800/1900 MHz
Yota Mobile WiMAX 2,5-2.7 GHz
Device Control: TouchFLO™ 3D
GPS: Inbuilt GPS
Connections:
VoIP
Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth® 2.0 with EDR
HTC ExtUSB™
Main camera: High-resolution with autofocus
Second: VGA-camera
Additional:
Motion G-sensor (automatically rotating picture)
Proximity sensor (saving energy while talking due to the switching the display off)
FM-radio
Audio: Ring tone formats:
AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, QCP, MP3, WMA, WAV
40 polyphonic and standard MIDI format 0 and 1 (SMF)/SP MIDI
Battery: Li-Pol, 1500 mAh
Talk time:
GSM: up to 420 minutes
VoIP: up to 230 minutes
Standby time:
GSM: up to 350 hours
VoIP: up to 50 hours
AC Adapter: Voltage range/frequency: 100 ~ 240V AC, 50/60 Hz
DC output: 5V and 1A

Yeah im sure it will come out sometime this year in Europe, a similar version that is. Anyone have any guesses as to the time frame? Maybe a few months after the US release? Or maybe closer to Christmas?
In the meantime im stuck with this f*cker lol.
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I dont feel anything that its not going to uk or europe u guys get most **** first so
HA!!

Sprint 4g is here, not there
and
you guys always get cool phones first, so stop whining

chronster said:
Sprint 4g is here, not there
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you guys always get cool phones first, so stop whining
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my concern is not whether we get it first, but whether we get it at all.

And if we do, then with a proper 4G. We here don't have wimax about 2-3 years already. It's almost dead. What we do have is 4G(although so little it doesn't almost count yet)
E: It got me a bit suspicious, and i discovered that they can label almost any technology providing 100M link as 4G.

Well, as an American who's been living in Germany the past 8 years, I can honestly say that
Europe definetely get more perks when it comes to phones. It doesn't bother me that it will come to the states first. I just hope that it comes here AT ALL.
And in regards to it being the...once again...iPhone Killer....it won't happen. As much as I DESPISE Apple, you can bet ur ass that Steve Jobs will be presenting SOME SICK STUFF
when the new iPhone drops.
Keep in mind guys..Google doesn't want to kill the iPhone. Google LOVES the iPhone.
It puts their search engine, maps, and services in the hands of 40 million people.
As long as they still have market share, and know that most people will search online
with Google, they could care less what smartphone your using.
That said.I'm sure in terms of smartphone market share, that they will be right even with
Apple in the coming years. But even then, the iPhone will be important for Google.
That is unless of course Steve Jobs does something really stupid and bans Google use
somehow on the iPhone.
Then Google will kill it And let's not forget..as awesome as EVO will be (God I want that
damn phone) Nexus 2 could also have the potential to DEVESTATE the new iPhone if
marketed properly this time.
Sry for the typos..posting from my G1 right now

Dai323 said:
Well, as an American who's been living in Germany the past 8 years, I can honestly say that
Europe definetely get more perks when it comes to phones. It doesn't bother me that it will come to the states first. I just hope that it comes here AT ALL.
And in regards to it being the...once again...iPhone Killer....it won't happen. As much as I DESPISE Apple, you can bet ur ass that Steve Jobs will be presenting SOME SICK STUFF
when the new iPhone drops.
Keep in mind guys..Google doesn't want to kill the iPhone. Google LOVES the iPhone.
It puts their search engine, maps, and services in the hands of 40 million people.
As long as they still have market share, and know that most people will search online
with Google, they could care less what smartphone your using.
That said.I'm sure in terms of smartphone market share, that they will be right even with
Apple in the coming years. But even then, the iPhone will be important for Google.
That is unless of course Steve Jobs does something really stupid and bans Google use
somehow on the iPhone.
Then Google will kill it And let's not forget..as awesome as EVO will be (God I want that
damn phone) Nexus 2 could also have the potential to DEVESTATE the new iPhone if
marketed properly this time.
Sry for the typos..posting from my G1 right now
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Good point you have there.!

Just keep an eye out for the supersonic which is gonna be the gsm version of this mobile!

@ronni,
how do you know that mate? someone at Androidforums said the same thing but never replied to my question.

So...4g...

So I know a lot of members here have 4G. I have experienced some 4G and have seen several videos and am just not impressed by the speeds. After some research on my end I found out just how fast WiMAX goes in other places such as Sweden which lead me to believe this is a Sprint issue for sure. Are you guys happy with your 4G speeds or do you want them to increase? Personally Sprint said something like 10x faster than 3G but I have only seen 2-3x faster.
Also - crazy story. The WiMAX network in Sweden was shut down after many people started complaining about headaches after it was turned on. It was reported that people some were hypersensitive to the WiMAX frequency that it operates on.

I'm ok with the speeds I get; however, I'm disappointed with the lack of consistency. In St. Louis I get anywhere from 2.5-3 Mbps down, but just across the river in Edwardsville, IL I was getting around 9 Mbps down on the tower on campus. I know the network load can't be that heavy in St. Louis to have such degraded performance.
werxen said:
Also - crazy story. The WiMAX network in Sweden was shut down after many people started complaining about headaches after it was turned on. It was reported that people some were hypersensitive to the WiMAX frequency that it operates on.
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Do you have any links to this? I'm doing an industry analysis on cellular telecommunications and another on Sprint and this would definitely be good information on external threats.

Wow... Yeah here's the link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1038429/swedish-town-blighted-wimax
I had another video or something... I forget where I found it originally but that is pretty much the same thing. Anyway as far as I can remember WiMAX has been permanently shut down in Sweden pending further investigation last I heard.

That is nuts. I know there's a Wal-Mart in Granite City that has a radio right outside its doors and the hundreds of people that pass through there each day have no problems.
I have two things to ponder on this:
1. Since this is such a small town in Sweden, I wonder if they just haven't acclimated to having cellular freqencies in their area...which I find unlikely.
2. Or, since this IS such a small town, they don't want the WiMax radio making their quaint little town "ugly" and orchestrated a phony mass effect after they started the services. I wouldn't throw this out of the window...small town people are crazy.
You have to think of how strange of an anomoly this actually is. Millions of people have been exposed to these frequencies for years, and for such a small sample of people out of the population congregated so densly together is really really really odd. I mean, the people who developed these systems have been exposed to WiMax for years. I would think any negative effects would have been brought up by now.

topdawgn8 said:
...small town people are crazy.
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HAHAHA
That's only funny because it's true

topdawgn8 said:
That is nuts. I know there's a Wal-Mart in Granite City that has a radio right outside its doors and the hundreds of people that pass through there each day have no problems.
I have two things to ponder on this:
1. Since this is such a small town in Sweden, I wonder if they just haven't acclimated to having cellular freqencies in their area...which I find unlikely.
2. Or, since this IS such a small town, they don't want the WiMax radio making their quaint little town "ugly" and orchestrated a phony mass effect after they started the services. I wouldn't throw this out of the window...small town people are crazy.
You have to think of how strange of an anomoly this actually is. Millions of people have been exposed to these frequencies for years, and for such a small sample of people out of the population congregated so densly together is really really really odd. I mean, the people who developed these systems have been exposed to WiMax for years. I would think any negative effects would have been brought up by now.
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You bring up good points. The only thing I can think of is how much data is being transferred using WiMAX. While my knowledge is not sophisticated enough in wireless technologies to make an accurate assumption on what exactly is going on, I do remember that the WiMAX they had in Sweden was transferring data at ridiculous speeds - somewhere like 50mbits. Could the actual throughput speed cause a variation in frequencies or is speed not a factor in it at all? That is the only thing I can really think of...
What I also know is that Sweden has LTE technology and they have had no complaints about that - on a side note lets not dive into conspiracy theories. Also, Sweden is very technologically advanced when it comes to internet and wireless technologies. My friend gets 100/100mbit connections to his home for $15 USD. *rage face*

I'm ok with the downstream speeds. Upstream could use a boost--I mean I can almost hit 1 up with 3g.
My biggest issue is how poorly wimax penetrates buildings. I can regularly get 10/1 in Astoria if I'm on the street. Walk 20 feet into a bar and I'm only getting 1 down. Meanwhile I can get 1.5+ down on 3g without moving an inch.

Yeah, I'm going to recind my second statement. Apparently there is 3% of the population that are sensitive to EMR as per the WHO.
As for the throughput being an issue, I don't think this is the case. The EMR is there regardless of whether or not it is in an active data transfer (think of it as your wifi router at home, constantly broadcasting.) Then again, maybe I'm wrong, our phones as a mobile host may "wake" an idle tower upon request.

Just a few things...
In Sweden they are using 5.8GHz for their Wimax, here in the US it's 2.4GHz. The higher the frequency the more data you can pack within a single wave. The US has tighter MPE (Maximum Permissible Exposure) Limits. So here in the US power limits are lower. Wifi also shares part of the 2.4GHz spectrum. Notice you do not get that great range. Most WiFi units only put out in the range of 50-150mW of power. The standard antenna has about 1-2db gain(if you are lucky). Now on a tower the antennas they are using average about 20-30db gain, and transmitters (depending on the height) from 10-100W. In essence Wimax is WiFi on steroids. Until more towers go online you are going to have crappy reception. Unless the tower is within about a block or two your reception is going to suck in most structures. Another thing to point out, as your reception goes down, your transmission speed does as well (to not drop bits, and have to retransmit the packet).

Eh. I understand why people would want INCREDIBLY FAST 4G speeds... but honestly, I think our 4G is pretty good. There is nothing I can do on my phone that requires anything faster than what I get. I dont know about you, but I get pretty good speeds. I've downloaded 170MB roms for my EVO with 4G and I was damn impressed.
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Yeah it's an Epic but I'm pretty sure the Evo get's the same speeds. I just never ran speed test on my EVO. This was inside a building in King of Prussia, PA.

So far I am not impressed. I also live in the St. Louis area. I've tested my 4G speeds in several areas around here as well as Kansas City and I consistently get between 1.5-1.7M download speed, hardly the 10X faster Sprint likes to advertise.
Don't get me wrong, the 4G is nice, but not fast enough to justify the battery drain. My browser is plenty fast on 3G and I can get a day out of my charge compared to 5-6 hours with my 4G radio turned on.

Not that bad for me in the Orlando area, note the signal strength.
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Wow impressive speeds indeed. I wish they would figure out a way to get lower frequencies on these phones. I think that makes the biggest impact on overall speeds.

was getting 7-8mbps myself.
And i would go nuts over 50mbps. Not for phone, but for clear network. Have it setup atm, but only getting 3-5mps on it. Unfortunately the house i'm located can't get signal from at&t nor verizon, or any other dsl supplier. They blame each other for it too, if i call verizon, they say i'm in the at&t's area, and they should be doing it, if i call at&t, they say the opposite.
But yea, for a phone you don't need 50mbps, nor would you need more than 3-5mbps. Unless you are downloading gigabytes of torrents on your phone.

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I've seen you're a pretty active in the forums so I was wondering if I could borrow a minute of your time.
I noticed in your posts that you've said you preferred your SGS over your NS. Could you tell me why? I am thinking of moving over from Rogers to Wind and grabbing myself a NS.
I mean, really they are the same phones, so is it the TouchWiz experience you miss? Or did you use your phone for a lot of multimedia?
I'm a very technical person, so you don't have to dumb down your answer. I hope you can get back to me. Thanks for your time
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WIND is way worth it ($40 all you can eat), at least in the GTA area
not sure how is the reception over around your area, but it should definitely considered.
I was on FIDO until just a couple of weeks ago, heck i still need to cancel my FIDO account, but the plan was simply too sweet to resist so i made the jump
..and no i definitely did not switch carrier because of the phone, it's rather the other way around.
After being "forced" to WIND (peer pressure), no, not really, i'm paying at least $60 less with 2 PHONES with ALL features, than 2 phones on FIDO with LESS options, and DATA only in 1 phone, it'd have been stupid not to take the WIND plan
but that was my best and worst move at the same time.
I totally forgot about the PHONEs that i can use on an AWS network, you need both 1700+2100 to properly get 3G, it wont work if you only have 1 band
So, i was screwed in that regard, I really like my SGS even with all its flaws it still beats the SNS
They are yes essentially the same phone with minor differences, yet the one that is killing me the most is the lack of microSD support, and no MKV, DivX, AVI support on hardware
yes 2.3 is nice, but it's more buggy than 2.2
yes it has flash for the camera, but it's totally useless for outdoor pictures, it might be okay if you are in a party room
yes it has NFC, but... no one in America is using it at all, this new feature it is completely wasted, until some form of Advertising Media Marketing, makes use of them, and make Movie Posters interactive, or until supermarket starts tagging their boxes and cans with NFC tags to scan the prices... which basically means, it's absolutely useless, as there will be no retailers willing to spend that kind of money on useless electronic tags, when the good old bar code is so much more efficient.
i'll trade NFC over microSD any time.
playing movies, animes, foreign films with subtitles and without Hardware decoding on the SNS really sucks, performance and video quality wise
oh by the way no hardware support for 720p on the SNS
same mic recording audio gain bug found on the SGS, in the SNS
GPS works on the SNS, but the same i'll say about the SGS, never had any problem with the GPS on the SGS
battery life on the SNS is better than the SGS, even tough it uses a crappier battery
very little accessories available for the SNS on ebay, etc
LauncherPRO has always been my main launcher, don't like stock android, and totally despise TWlauncher
what i miss the most in the SNS that was also build in in SGS is the front facing chat phone calls, yes the SNS has FFC, but it has no support to use FFC for normal phone calls
it only works via 3rd party apps like Fring, Yahoo, Tango, etc.... which totally kills the point of having a FFC for regular phone calls
that was possible in the SGS
... there are alot more i can go on for, but those are the basic main issues that annoys the most, coming from a SGS experience
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thank you gamer , nice review .. thumbs up
i m cooo with my sgs

The SGS does support UMTS video calls (what you call normal phone call) but Bell charges an extra $5/month for it so nobody has it. Plus, who can you call with that feature? Your other friend with a SGS?

no one said SGS doesn't
it is the SNS that is missing the stock video dialer to use that feature
and you can call anyone with a video chat capable phone, it doesn't need to be SGS
the old "dumb" phones (nokia, samsung, LG) that are video capable works as well

yeah, as long as they pay $5/month
I think this technology was popular in Japan but I have never seen someone using it in Canada

Wind Mobile
Thanks for the reply AllGamer.
I find myself in EXACTLY the same situation as you! Haha. I live in Edmonton and I just HAD to try out this $40 all you can eat plan from wind. I've got an i9000m unlocked and on Rogers and I love it. The GPS is it's main flaw though, it's pretty terrible and sure I get pissed at it when I try and use it, but it's not a big enough deal for me to want a new phone right now. I also hate TouchWizz and use ADW exclusively.
Anyway, I bought this cheap Alcatel with the $40 plan from wind here to try out their network. I figure if I don't like it I can return the phone and just be out the one month plan fee, and if I do like it I can use the phone in the interim until I get an AWS compatible phone. I just had to jump on it now because the $40 Holiday Miracle plan expires tomorrow.
I've only had the phone half the day now, and the reception doesn't seem too bad. I'll have to move around the city and stuff a lot more to get a real sample though. If Wind is able to deliver I should be able to save at least %50 every month once I ditch my Rogers plan.
I ran some speed tests here at work and I didn't really care for the results though. This is the only place I've tested, so it could be this tower or something, I'll have to test more to know for sure. Anyway, I'm getting:
Rogers w/GT-i9000m:
Down - Up
1884 - 1148
2944 - 1237
2567 - 1244
3291 - 1242
*Wind w/OT-981A:
Down - Up
1749 - 159
1280 - 156
1575 - 159
1529 - 159
I can live with 1.5Mpbs down, that's not to bad, but the upload is terrible! I called customer support to ask if they had some sort of upload cap in place, but they said they've never heard anything like that. I'll try some other places around the city and post back the results.
I really want to like Wind, or more, my wallet really likes to want Wind XD
Anyway, I kind of got off topic here, the reason I asked the initial question is because if I do move to wind I'll have to part with my SGS. The SNS seems like the logical way to go, but I've heard bad things about the quality control and as you know, living in Canada, we can't exactly easily exchange it at Best Buy.
I don't think the MicroSD would be a huge deal, but I don't really like not having it either. I agree, the multimedia support would be a pain to give up. If Samsung did one thing right, it's the great codec support on the SGS. As for the rest of TW and the crippled samsungafied Google apps... they can go.
One of the reasons I really liked the SGS was the multimedia support, but I found I didn't really use it. One of the reasons is all my stuff is in 720 MKV and while the SGS can play those files locally, Allshare is incapable of streaming anything in an MKV container. This is a huge drag and as a result I never gave it much use. The 720p camera recording is also nice but again, I have no way of outputting 720p. It would be nice if it had mHDMI out, but now I'm just dreaming XD. BTW, does the SNS support video out through composite like the SGS?
I already have a pretty good feel of what I'm getting into if I get a SNS, but I like hearing real world things from users. You can't tell everything from specs, it really is about the experience. My biggest fear is getting a defective one. Pop into the SNS forums here on XDA and it becomes apparent quite quickly that there are problems with a lot of them.
*Update: I just noticed the the Android SpeedTest.net app is not pulling the Wind phone's location properly. My SGS on Rogers is testing with a server right here in Edmonton. The Alcatel is trying to use a server in... Virginia . That could certainly lead to some extra latency XD. Edmonton isn't available in the server list, so I'll try and find a more reliable way of comparing. Perhaps a different app will let me manually input a server IP to test with.

Do you find Wind's Fair Usage Policy unfair? Isn't unlimited, unlimited, not capped?
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To ensure our customers enjoy optimal data usage on our network, we have a Fair Usage Policy. Our Fair
Usage Policy is that if you exceed 5 gigabytes of data usage within a given billing cycle, we may slow your
speed so that all WIND customers can better share the network and enjoy quality access to the Internet.
If we elect to do so, we will slow your speeds from a maximum speed of 7.2 megabits per second to a
maximum speed of 512 kilobits per second for downloads and 128 kilobits per second for uploads.
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I think when my Telus contract is up (November, 2012) I will have a lot of choices at a lot less money.
Ian

re: wind fair usage policy
yes, it's not really unlimited data, it's 5 GB
they won't really cap you off if you go over, i think they do it on a case by case basis, as in they'll look at the ports you have been using the most, and if any of those falls into File sharing then they will most likely cap you
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Do you find Wind's Fair Usage Policy unfair? Isn't unlimited, unlimited, not capped?
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@thequinox
re: speedtest.net
in the GTA i constantly get 2.8 Mbps down, and 800 Kbps up in many areas of the city
very decent if you ask me
same results using both SNS and XT720
re: video out on the SNS
yes, it is supported, and using the same cable as the SGS (Nokia something something, forgot model #)
re: manufacture issues...
is very hard to say, i got lucky i guess
if you don't want to run the risk, go to your local phone shops, usually those chinese or indian cell phone stores in the malls sells them at a bit high ($700-$800) but at least you can check out the phone in person, and not have to run the risk of buying it from Best Buy USA

Wind Mobile in Edmonton
Yes, no one's unlimited plan is ever unlimited, but 5GB is pretty decent if you ask me. The cap doesn't seem like it would really hurt though, as I can't get uploads higher than 0.15Mbps anyway.
I found out what was going on with the speed test. Apparently Wind's data access comes from Ontario, and SpeedTest.net determines where you are based on IP location. If you connect with WiFi it will give you a server in your area, then you can just switch to 3G and complete the test with that server. I did this and tested with an Edmonton server... 1.75Mbps down and 0.14 up. About the same. Again, respectable download, abysmal upload.
I still need to run speed tests in more areas, but this part of the city is where I live and work, so it matters the most to me. I can't help but feel there is a cap here. I never get more or less than 0.15Mpbs up.
Another issue I've seen is my data just cutting out. I'll have full bars but just no 3G access. Sometimes a power cycle brings it back, sometimes I just have to wait. Seems to only happen when I'm at home though, so it must be something wrong with the AP i'm near.
A Google search shows I'm not alone in this upload problem. A shame

in the case of WIND mobile i switched more due their unlimited talk plans, and unlimited long distance, and unlimited word wide SMS, also all their HOME ZONES in different Cities that attracted me the most
the unlimited internet was just the cherry on top of the icing
on FIDO/ROGERS i was paying just about the same for the 6 GB data package
so i might be 1 GB down from data, but i gained a lot more on the useful stuff

thequinox said:
but 5GB is pretty decent if you ask me.
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Absolutely, I agree. I have a 500MB plan and I never go over 175Mb/month. My only problem is when a company says one thing and the fine print says another.
I would just like a little honesty in corporate policies.

my average is aprox 3 GB a month

A bit unrelated but cud anyone help
I have the Motorola Xt720 that Wind provides, but now i see they have the newer Samsung Nexus S, and i'm considering swapping phones, but should I?
I have looked at the pros and cons, but the 2 phones are better and worse than each other on different fields and to me seem to balance out oddly. like the xt720 has sd card while the SNS doesn't but has a significantly bigger internal memory, which means more apps and stuff, i find that on my moto that i constantly run low in internal memory due to too many apps. SNS runs 2.3 and the xt720 runs 2.1; however, if i root my xt720 i could update it to 2.2 (which i hear is less glitcher than 2.3), but I'd void my warranty. the camera on the xt720 is much better, not sure about the video though. The SNS i see covers more video format though, and seems to have a longer battery life. I find myself having to constantly charge my Motorola if i use it moderately and it easily over-heats which leads to more battery consumption. but that SD card thing for the SNS is the real con for me, i have a few vidoes, but I am heavy on music. But at the same time i want more apps...
So essentially I have 3 choices:
-Keep my xt720 the way it is and get on with life
-Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2 or
-Get the Samsung Nexus S
I'm really confused D': , and would really appreciate help on the subject, also if there is an x-factor that I'm missing (either good or bad) i want to know about it. What do you guys think? oh, and in case anyone was wondering i have the irresistable plan

Awesome 5GHz speeds...best of all?

Sorry guys, just get really excited - we just got our 125Mbit connection with Virgin installed today, and their new router is 5GHz capable....and I wasn't aware that the One is 5GHz capable, so I just tried it out. To my massive surprise the download speed actually went past 100Mbit....on a PHONE. Am I the only person who finds it absolutely mindblowing that we are getting that kind of speeds wireless,and on something that fits in our pockets? Are there any other phones capable of this?
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You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
Mike

sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
Mike
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Where does this look photoshopped Mr Condescending?
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sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
Mike
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Sorry,but you made me so angry that I just had to grab a camera and record a video of how well it works.
http://youtu.be/iPBlviOJ5Mc
I expect apologies, it's not often that I am called a liar on the Internet, but when that happens it's usually by people who have nothing to prove their statements, like you sp5it. Shame.

Only got 60MB here on Virgin - but yeah - download speeds of 47260kbps+ etc.
I know the HTC One X & Sony Xperia Z all have 5GHz capabilities - so it's not limited to the One - I would guess that nearly, if not all, new high end phones have 5GHz capability.
It's great that it works - but boy do you notice a difference when you're out and about and stuck on 3G!

sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
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Get laid
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The one and the s4 are the only phones with the WiFi ac standard though. Only a few routers are ac capable, though.
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You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
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...wow

sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
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WTF is that all about???

Got this on my 5 GHz
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gambiting said:
Sorry,but you made me so angry that I just had to grab a camera and record a video of how well it works.
http://youtu.be/iPBlviOJ5Mc
I expect apologies, it's not often that I am called a liar on the Internet, but when that happens it's usually by people who have nothing to prove their statements, like you sp5it. Shame.
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people gonna hate buddy, i have an ac capable router just got it a month ago, and i love it!! speeds are incredible. i have a 30mbps connection and im rocking all 30 mb lol

As others have said, there are previous generation phones and routers that had 5GHz capabilities.
Used my HTC One X on 5Ghz with virgin cable router , been on their 100Mmb tariff for approximately two years.
Agree that up and downlink via 5GHz wi fi gives impressive transfer speeds, even without ac capability
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Rogers LTE MAX has theoretical speeds of 150mbs down.. I only get 1 bar where I live and can get about 60mbs.. nothing compared to your home speeds tho lol. My home WiFi is 30 down.
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Just curious, what are these Virgin routers? Are they cable modem based? I have Time Warner and I get about 30mbps.

What is an ac/router?
regards

As a networking student...
What in the world does 5GHz have to do with this?
The Wi-Fi 802.11n-standard is capable of up to about 300 Mbps for the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands. Some products achieve higher, the the initial N-standard was for up to 300 Mbps.
5 GHz uses wider bands and is less congested (because 5GHz still ain't that common and that it has plenty more channels to reduce interference) which should grant a tad better local performance and responsiveness. This isn't necessarily the case though.
See, the disadvantages of 5 GHz is that, being a much higher frequency, the range is actually worse than that of 2.4 GHz. Furthermore 5 GHz is also worse at penetrating walls and other solid objects (making the range even worse between different rooms).
Back to my point nonetheless, I believe the source of these speeds are routers using modern standards (N and/or AC) as opposed to the older G-standard (54 Mbps) rather than the use of the 5 GHz band.
tl;dr... 5 GHz might increase throughput a bit, but no doubt the same results are possible with the 2.4 GHz band.
EDIT: Don't mean to sound like a smartass, just thought since it seems several people here seems to be under the impression that 5 GHz will make your network speeds and all better with no downsides. Whilst this is true to some degree, it does suffer in range, especially though walls and objects (i.e between rooms).

sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
Mike
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?
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sp5it said:
You should learn more how to use photo editing software. This is good example how lame ur in this matter.
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He mad tho'
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Where is the "Un Thank" button in this forum?
what a tool

Timmyfoxeh said:
As a networking student...
What in the world does 5GHz have to do with this?
The Wi-Fi 802.11n-standard is capable of up to about 300 Mbps for the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands. Some products achieve higher, the the initial N-standard was for up to 300 Mbps.
5 GHz uses wider bands and is less congested (because 5GHz still ain't that common and that it has plenty more channels to reduce interference) which should grant a tad better local performance and responsiveness. This isn't necessarily the case though.
See, the disadvantages of 5 GHz is that, being a much higher frequency, the range is actually worse than that of 2.4 GHz. Furthermore 5 GHz is also worse at penetrating walls and other solid objects (making the range even worse between different rooms).
Back to my point nonetheless, I believe the source of these speeds are routers using modern standards (N and/or AC) as opposed to the older G-standard (54 Mbps) rather than the use of the 5 GHz band.
tl;dr... 5 GHz might increase throughput a bit, but no doubt the same results are possible with the 2.4 GHz band.
EDIT: Don't mean to sound like a smartass, just thought since it seems several people here seems to be under the impression that 5 GHz will make your network speeds and all better with no downsides. Whilst this is true to some degree, it does suffer in range, especially though walls and objects (i.e between rooms).
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You've got my support on this one, I actually understand what 5GHz means in terms of wireless bands and I was highly confused why people think it has anything to do with speed. I've gotten faster speeds on corporate internet on the regular 2.4GHz frequency.
That being said, nice speeds, OP, sounds like you're all set!

This is kinda strange. I just got an upgrade to my internet from Comcast. My download speed has increased a little bit, but I've never seen such high upload speeds. I just wish it was the other way around. This was done on my Nexus 7.
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