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I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of
upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone
i.e call quality, reception, screen etc....
Thanks
if you like windows mobile then stick with windows mobile, if you prefer symbian then go with the e90 as it's got a better screen and it's more portable. I'm kind of into symbian at the moment, and i've always thought nokia's are good in terms of reception and sound quality. Invariably it boils down to if you're familiar with windows mobile to the extent that you could ever get by with anything else. I think there are more applications on windows mobile and a bigger development group but if you're only going to be browsing, calling, texting, listing to music and watching videos i think you'll definitely be better off with the e90. That's only my opinion though
E90
You'll find nothing on E90
extremely slow
not good sound Quality
not good camera ( smilar with N80 )
built! in but not working GPS ( crazy tomtom )
but
Good screen resolution and colours, some usable applications and some portable than X7500.
Not very portable...
he have 4" screen...
No tv out
yes that's it.
not anymore.
If I was you...
I will never do that for an E90
You may checkt it by your self
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1887
Thanks for replys
the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2
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Thanks for replys
the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2
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Equancy, your criticisms are unfounded, and that GSMArena article seems to favour the E90 to me.
The E90 is NOT slow - where did you get this information?
Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this.
Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
clamshell design protects the screen, therefore a case is not necessary (though advised). In the event of a catastrophic bump the screen will not be damaged.
There is nothing wrong with the camera. Ok, it's not as fast as a Sony Ericsson cybershot camfone but it's a hell of a lot better than the Athena's laggy specimen - and has VGA 25fps video recording.
The Athena however has a big screen and is a powerful windows mobile device. I re-iterate, if you LIKE windows mobile, have lots of software and don't wish to get a Symbian device then don't bother with the E90. I don't wish to debate the advantages of each operating system as it's about what you prefer, but the Athena and E90 both have varying advantages and disadvantages which you'll need to weigh up when you come to upgrade.
Check THIS link for a more descriptive comparison
IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.
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I have no axe to grind, and if you'd READ my previous post you'd see that I said it's about choice.
Some people don't need a tv output. I've had it on two devices and never used it. USB host is useful if you wish to plug card readers or USB infrared readers into your device but not much use for viewing movies from as it's only USB 1.1. On the subject of movies, although the E90's screen is smaller the fact that it plays movies better counts for something.
On occasion I have been very frustrated with Windows Mobile, but on the whole I've mellowed. I still own a Hermes and still like to tweak it: I follows Schapp's updates and like finding new applications to use. I liked the Athena's screen and I liked typing messages with Fingertouch on the screen.
All I was saying is that the two devices will be right or wrong for you depending on needs. If you NEED a big screen then the Athena is the one to go for. If you NEED tv out ditto. It also has more developers on its case, but I would SUGGEST that the Nokia would be a better choice for multimedia purposes and possibly browsing (so long as you don't mind the smaller screen). If you want more of a data centric/input device, maybe something for stocks and shares and E-book reading with ready-to-go memory then the Athena will be a better choice.
It's not about how many extras a device has on it so much as which of those extras you actually need, and how good you need them to be.
I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be unobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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yeah!!! very glad to see some enthusiasm about the Athena!!
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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Dear God - have you been taking lessons in eloquency???
I hadn't noticed that the site was Symbian until you pointed it out to me - It was the first thing that came up on Google. Its points seemed fair to me though.
"I can watch DVD-9 movies"
"perfect camera"
"Linux support"
May I just say that based on your comments thus far I don't respect your opinion, and I hope that the people on this forum can contribute some genuine and reasoned criticism.
you didnt notice that a page called "allabout symbian" was a symbian suported site???
I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)
[email protected] said:
I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)
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Well at least you're not spouting rubbish. I don't think my argument was unjust and yes, I was a bit of a berk for not noticing that the site was a symbian one....
On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.
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On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.
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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think i'd put video performance above screen size if judged soley on multimedia, but not in other aspects.
I'd LOVE to know how Equancy plays dual-layer discs on his Athena, wouldn't you Eaglesteve?
I think they each have their advantages.
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I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be nonobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?
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if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...
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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think they each have their advantages though.
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I'm a portrait user 99% of the time. In landscape, the device is harder to hold with my left hand, keyboard covers up too much of screen, and you're left with too little screen space, given that the task bar is longer. Only when watching movies and using GPS I like landscape better.
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if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...
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I do go through periods of frustration with Operating Systems in general. What I was feeling during previous posts does not necessarily hold true now. If you read and understood my posts in this thread you will see that I have weighed up the advantages and disadvantages of each device. In light of the predominantly negative attitude to the E90 in this thread, and taking into account that it is on a site wherein most contributers will soley own Windows Mobile devices I have taken a slant that leans more towards Symbian perhaps. The question from the poster though was:
I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone i.e call quality, reception, screen etc...."
So far everyone has just slagged off the E90, despite the fact that they have never used it. Some people even seem to be getting angry that I present points in favour of the E90 (depending on what type of user you are), but I have presented good points in favour of the Athena too.
I would like confirmation from Cryptkiller of whether he was after adult, experienced comparisons or a Symbian/Windows Mobile slanging match. I may have only had the E90 briefly but it seems I have more room for constructive criticism than most here, aside from Eaglesteve who has provided sound comparisons based on what he KNOWS of the two devices.
well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII though?
[email protected] said:
well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII by the way?
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I'm due an upgrade and I MAY get the TyTn 2. I originally got an N95 on upgrade because I already had everything else. To be honest I thought it was a bit crap at first, then a firmware update made things better. Since christmas I've had the version 20 firmware which makes the camera and general performance great - it even improves battery life. There's loads of software available for mulltimedia and general fun pursuits - great Ngage games and this and this in the pipeline too!
I'll see how I feel next month I think...
Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.
the x1's and it's rom is not released yet how it will perform in q4 when it does one can only guess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qe_ohf0Re4
in this clip it seem to run ok
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Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.
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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.
many new PDA lack of video and 2d acceleration, if Sony taking seriously they should make open /sdk driver,
Can anybody say Samsung Omnia
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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.
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I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.
redbandana said:
I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.
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no worries ... we all do ...
samsung ...
Alternate Names: Samsung i900
Manufacturer: Samsung Inc.
Predecessor: Samsung i830
Operating System: Windows Mobile Professional 6.1
Screen Resolution: 240-by-400-Pixels WQGA Screen
Dimensions : 112 by 56.9 by 12.5
Processor Marwell 624 Mhz
Camera: 5 MP with geotaging, auto focus, image stabilizer, face detection etc etc...
GPS Included
User Interface TouchViz UI
Data HSDPA 7.2
with these specs it is definitely nothing to sneeze at ... especially 5mp camera but for me a hardware keyboard is a must ...
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Can anybody say Samsung Omnia
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?
www.gsmelite.com
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?
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X1 Is going to be a Iphone Killer. Period
Omnia will be featured on my site, coming soon
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Its nothing misleading, its a fact, i have 2 of the units and the playback is more than slow, its slower than the the tytn II i can tell..maybe when the rom are out..
kepp you posted
bR
What application and what kind of media files did you use for playback?
If you also own a TyTN II, how is the 3G reception quality in comparison? Is X1 better, equal or worse?
Omnia is nothing special really, just yet another (W)QVGA device which is poor for web browsing and remote desktop use compared to (W)VGA devices. The screen is most important feature of a phone, because that's what you spend all your time looking at, and all your apps run in it!
The X1 is rendering everything very smoothly and fast. I've yet to see any lag on Tom Tom, spb Shell etc. And sl9 is right, it's the screen that counts, it's razor sharp, you wont be disappointed.
what about the extra resolution compared to standard vga on touch pro?
is the top bar bigger or something cause all the apps are a certain resolution its strange to me how they fit on the x1s screen
Most apps I've tried so far has somehow managed to run without any flaws on the WVGA-screen. It isn't stretched or anything.
The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.
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The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.
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Have you witnessed video lag?
Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.
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Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.
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Just try to watch a video
A detailed review by smape.com for the still unreleased SE's Xperia X1...
Read the whole thing here
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 is a very specific, yet an efficient PDA. It would make a great choice for those looking for a WM PDA sporting just as much computing power and versatility as fashionable looks, equipped with a QWERTY keyboard (yet not the handiest around). All in all, the product appears to be a balanced solution, on of the best in its class. Final conclusions will be drawn upon testing a next-to-final sample later in autumn. The currently available sample makes a great Christmas gift provided that SE fixes the spotted weaknesses on time, without pushing the release date into the next year.
+ Stylish design, original form factor
+ High quality of materials and assembly
+ Large high-definition screen
+ Long battery life
+ 3.5 mm audio jack
+ XPERIA panels firmware launcher
+ Powerful CPU, 256 Mb of RAM
+ Wi-Fi and GPS, as well as an FM tuner
- High price
- Challengeable keyboard ergonomics
- Non-canon screen resolution
- No TV-out
- No hardware 3D acceleration
And again from smape, a head to head between Xperia X1 and Touch Pro...
http://smape.com/en/reviews//HTC_Touch_Pro-Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html
though, most of the things mentioned in this article are somewhat covered in the review...
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- No hardware 3D acceleration
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Oh C'mon, I've used this phone for a while now and it definitely has hardware 3D-acceleration ?
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Oh C'mon, I've used this phone for a while now and it definitely has hardware 3D-acceleration ?
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How would that be possible when it will be out only late 2008?
Pre-release version like the one I've been using. They have been out for a while now.
Though it's super fast and runs psb Shell with no delay, I don't think it has 3D acceleration. Just a really fast chip.
For those of you that have the pre release version, could one of you comment on how good the dpad would be for palying games? I'm a big fan of snes emulation gaming. I looked at the touchpro yesterday and passed on it because the dpad is unusable for gaming
Many Thanks
The white paper clearly states 3D Harware Acceleration - Yes!
Which Bluetooth stack?
Info on bluetooth profiles looks, good, but:
Does it use Microsoft or Broadcom/Widcomm bluetooth stacks?
No idea, but under Device Info, this is what the description is:
Bluetooth version: 2.0/2.0+EDR
Hope that helps.
Thx tjex. Maybe there's someone here who can confirm?
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Does it use Microsoft or Broadcom/Widcomm bluetooth stacks?
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"Though it's super fast and runs psb Shell with no delay, I don't think it has 3D acceleration. Just a really fast chip."
but does psb shell really support 3d ?
even normal windows desktop dont and only very little support for few features in vista
which dont even seem to be that fast
so i can see games having support not all though warcraft2 duke3d hexen heretic doom1-2 quake1-3 i've come across dont
so pure gui in windows mobile would not benefit
could benefit from 2d acceleration mainly with video and effects like
touchflow though
a lot of general hype about 3d around on pc's too people who get a fancy video card for photoshop or youtube and the likes
It's been requested before, but can someone who already has their hands on an X1 post screenshots of 3rd party software? I'd love to see how that looks - Spb programs, navigation -anything!
Thx!
I'll do it for you, what software do you want to see and I am to assume that SmartSS is the best way to get a screen cap?
I'm still quite green with this whole wm thing
edit: nvm figured it out
Thanks for coming in on this, tjex!
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what software do you want to see
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Anything from Spb would be good (free trials if you don't have the programs ), and any navigation software you have available. And any other cool goodies you can think of!
N.
please please please try installing manila on it. I wonder if it will install to start with, what framerate you will get and what will happen with the screen (stretched or cut-off on the bottom)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2195963
http://www.4shared.com/file/47016031/5436a738/manila1001030release.html
I posted some screenshots as requested here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422137
I'll give Manila a try and report back.
Someone who used had a proto mentioned that 'after heavy usage or constant sliding, the plastic ain't that reliable, sounds creaky'. That the same case for those of you who too have protos?
Hi,
Post any reviews that you find in this thread, with a small conclusion if possible.
NOTE: I have added a poll to this thread, but do not cast your vote yet. Let as many reviews come in, and then vote.
Reviews: (links to reviews will be added here as they start coming in after being confirmed to be reviewing the final build)
Old Links:
Description: The first review of Xperia to hit the Web. Does not go into much detail on performance and speed but covers a lot of stuff in detail and has a couple of really good pictures.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
Side-Notes: The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... However in my opinion, you can set the font size to your needs and can easily overcome this. Furthermore, they say that default panels are great but lacking in functionality - which i agree with, but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal. (For instance, consider the SpbShell panel or others available at SE's site)
Descriptions: M3's review of Xperia. Not too much detail, just the gyst of it all.
Link: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183975/fo...ria-x1&usg=ALkJrhjPndp9Yybs6iISJnj1OhWlA9MLBw
Side-Notes: Build quality is great but will Panels live up to the expectations? X-Panels are a bit slow at times - same as what Generation Phone House guys said - but hopefully an update will fix it up. The camera is not as good as can be expected from Sony Ericsson (although in my opinion, having seen sample shots, i think it is great!). TF3D from Touch Pro/Diamond is smoother than Panels - in the sense of switching screens/panels. Spb shell is the absolute best screen at the moment.
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Videos: (links to Youtube and other videos - showcasing the final xperia. Videos included within reviews are not included in this list)
Description: Xperia Testing...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjatGzL-QRA
Notes: Very nice and really fast. Near the end she switches from landscape to portrait and it is almost instant if not exactly.
Description: A look at SE panel... Very smooth and fast!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnDosWiuY
Description: EMP Xperia Video 1 - Goes over the interface of Xperia via various apps. No dialogue and the video is stretched, but worth looking at.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms
Description: EMP Xperia Video 2 - Word, Excel, browsing, etc.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE5U-klAHw
Description: Swedish? or some other non-Enligh review. Takes you through panels - more of a quick glance - in the first vid. The second link looks at the keyboard. And the third video again looks at panels though this time using the finger rather than a stylus.
Link 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfVYd0fwYQ
Link 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbFgJ8d4mU
Link 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24GNI-ZKB4
Notes: i'm really liking what i see...
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Description: A demonstration by Xperiancers. Though they say that it is not the final device, but is the pretty close to it - prob. with the increased RAM and all.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zal6JJn5F38
Notes: Fast. Silver looks Good! Showcases the Spb Panel as well!
Thanks to hrcro for sharing.
Description: A demonstration by Generation Phone House of Xperia.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlrJAncJxE
Notes: "Finishes impeccable design and fun, this XPERIA X1 is a true success. The camera is effective and the presence of a 3.5 jack a real asset! The app is rather fast, only the X Panel has been a bit slow at times..."
Side-notes: Panels work pretty great in his video, but like he said the X Panel is a bit slow at times.
Description: SE Press Conference (Swedish) Videos + Unboxing
Link 1: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183954/xperia-unboxing
Link 2: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183853/m3-direktsander-xperia--lanseringen
Thanks to floordust for sharing.
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Best regards.
Thanks to Jabe for pointing out this review, which is probably the very first Xperia review - i.e. the very first review of the final Xperia device.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
(You will need to translate using Google Translators...)
The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... Furthermore, the default panels are great but lacking in functionality but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal.
Note: There is speculation that this is also a prototype model's review, and we can't confirm as the reviewer does not state it to be the final set and neither are specs, etc. detailed. Hopefully we'll see more reviews come out in the next day or so.
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
Black93300ZX said:
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
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We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
NZtechfreak said:
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
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Cool. Please let us know when he responds.
msalmank said:
We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
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Well, I knew it wouldn't perform like the TP's keyboard (5 row to 4 row obviously) but I figured with the bigger buttons it would feel good to type on.
In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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Definitely... and though also goes on to say that it is hard to find keys at times and so on, but once you get used to it, it won't be any hassle. It won't match up to Touch Pro's keyboard, but i think it would be pretty good.
"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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with time and practice, we'll know.
" The keyboard is good, but we have seen better."
Thats after all the criticisms, so sounds like a final summation to me, and hence why it seems adequate.
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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Thanks... hopefully we'll see more vidz soon.
Did he confirm if this is a prototype version or a final one?
I agree, the default panels are pretty basic - if you ask me - but given Xperia's hardware and the Panel SDK, there is a lot of potential over here. (thus why i am in favor of Panels over TF3D)
He has confirmed it was the final release.
Agreed on the panels front, but for now its clearly inferior to running Manilla on this phone.
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
fuzzmo said:
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
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I agree with what you said. Xperia's initial panels may fail to impress, but it'll boast the best hardware in the market at the moment for a WinMo device. It definitely has a lot of potential.
Furthermore Manila 2D may be something i might be looking it, but once Touch HD comes out - same resolution - there is chance of TF3D being copied over onto Xperia as well which will definitely be able to take it on with its specs.
Touch Pro is the best alternative there is to Xperia at the moment, but in my opinion Xperia is better - more RAM, customizability (panels), higher resolution, better video recording capabilities...
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not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
Pinguino1 said:
I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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Cool! I was actually wondering about font size customizability... but since i don't know much about Windows Mobiles in depth (this'll be my first WinMo device, so you could call me a newbie) i didn't wanna sound stupid by asking...
Hey folks,
being XPERIA owner for two months, I was often annoyed by the slugginess, bad operationality and quite many [small] issues.
Now I've ordered and got an "Android Dev Phone 1" (= HTC Dream = T-Mobile G1) and I love it! The interface is clean and smooth, it feels so much faster now! Sure some things aren't implemented yet (eg. virtual keybord or synchronization with Outlook) but I actually don't need them, and most of them will come already with the next Android update in Jan/Feb.
So I'm now swithing to the "HTC Dream" section and to other forums.
Any questions à la "Android vs Windows" or "X1 vs G1" are welcome here, though.
Best regards,
Vygi
I tried that phone in the T-mobile shop when I was still waiting for the X1 to appear and didn't like anything about it.. still - each to their own!
i like the design of X1 better than the G1. but i like linux (using on laptop to).
it would be nice to run android on X1
commodoor said:
it would be nice to run android on X1
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The G1 didn't do it for me since it has a low-res 480x320 screen. Even now, with the X1's mighty WVGA screen I sometime wish it was even sharper, something like 1024x600 would do just fine .
Tweaking and a couple of apps loaded onto the phone, my Xperia is working awesome! I love it more than i did my iPhone! startup is a bit slow... meh! but who cares!
Anyways... G1 doesn't appeal to me... and besides - if i do like any next release of Android or even Blackberry OS, i'll unload Windows off of Xperia and load 'em onto Xperia.
Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.
I say bring on NVIDIA Tegra chip based mobiles with WinMo7. :O
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Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.
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The market & reality tells it all. If PalmOS is so great, it wouldn't be dying like the way it is now. It UI (especially the input method) was so hard to use and handle for ordinary people. It may run smoother and more efficiently than WM, but the real truth is it's does not handle multi-tasking.
It would be cool to have Android on the X1 next to WinMo. I hope the guys over here can get it to work properly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595&page=11
Not sure if they're still working on it though..
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Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.
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I used SKTools, Advanced configuration Tool, and XperiaTweak to tweak up my Xperia's performance.
I also installed HTC's Touch HD's keyboard but didn't like it, especially when it opened slow at times and so on... so i uninstalled that and moved to SPB Keyboard - which is AWESOME!
Then... i installed IneSoft AddressBook + Phone. Way quicker than Xperia's AddressBook/Contacts and dialer, quicker, and a cool looking Today screen add-in. Really Fast! And i totally love it! (i like the dialer better than HTC's TF3D Dialer as well).
With these tweaks and apps, and a few additional freeware stuff (like flash today screens, battery indicators, and so on) my Xperia is functioning really fast and without problems.
FYI - i also have panels running and TF3D installed as a Panel (which is running way smoother and faster after using SKTools to tweak up the device). I also have Winterface installed, though barely ever use it - it is enabled though in the background. I also have Push Mail enabled on the device which works flawlessly - as it did on my iPhone. And over 10 games installed working without any lags.
I won't lie, but there are occassional hiccups/lags, but not as much for one to notice. (even my iPhone faced quite a couple of lags and hang-ups once i installed apps onto it and so on). The only thing i hate at this point is the startup of the device... oh and the Facebook panel, which has the tendency to crash sometimes...
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
msalmank said:
...oh and the Facebook panel, which has the tendency to crash sometimes...
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
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Have you tried the updated version? Much improved on the initial release, I recommend you try it out.
spr33 said:
Have you tried the updated version? Much improved on the initial release, I recommend you try it out.
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Yep... i updated it. And it is improved, a lot! but still has the tendency to crash at times. Mostly when it is refreshing the main page and i hit the Panel button (not always, but usually) and a few other random occurrences...
Dr.Sid said:
Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
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My experiences aren't so extreme but I feel somewhat the same: great hardware, but lame operating system, bad and non-uniform operatibility, and so on. When I ask "how to do this" or "how to manage that", often I get advices to apply registra hacks and use special system tweaks or install some additional software. When after them the system is slow of some strange issues appear - then I have to blyme myself, because I have too many things installed and too many settings changed!
Now I have found an alternative which costs 20% less and is about 200% better (faster/more stable) to me!
There are actually just very few things I like more on Xperia:
- better battery
- better screen resolution
- light sensor to change screen brightess
And there are things which are better on DevPlone1 (G1/Dream):
- much much better user interface
- generally much faster, no freezes/blackouts/pauses
- great multitasking/task switching (eg. the browser starts in 0,5 sec)
- compass and g-sensor available
- better keyboard
- better speaker
- great integration of online Email, Contacts, Calendar
- software easy to find and to install
- faster battery charging
Next year many other Android devices will be available, and I maybe I will take another one, but also with the current Dream/G1/DevPhone1 I am much more happy than with X1!
In short... For me, when i played with HTC Touch Diamond (my cousin's) i liked the power of Windows Mobile but was totally NOT impressed by the usual lags and bugginess of the device... so i was really concerned if Windows Mobile would be a good choice (i was looking at the Blackberry Bold as an alternative to WinMo). Eventually, i decided to go with X1 and though initially it was better than i expected but not that good either, after a tweak here and there and a little enhancements the Xperiance has turned out be quite ideal. Sure laggy at times (though not occassional), but it is turning out to be the device i thought it would be, if not better!
vygi said:
Next year many other Android devices will be available, and I maybe I will take another one, but also with the current Dream/G1/DevPhone1 I am much more happy than with X1!
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Though Windows Mobile is more professional of an OS, and tweaking + optimizing can make the experience better... but there's no denying that Android holds a lot of potential - especially being Open Source!!!
When i look at the G1 phone i'm more like "Bleh!", but i do like Android. When more features come - including Microsoft Exchange and a full office suite (maybe these are already available... not sure) and more - and it all comes loaded into a better looking phone, i might go for it as well. But i'll definitely be holding onto my Xperia. It is by far the best windows mobile device ever! and regardless of the not-so-usual lags and Windows Mobile bugs/limitations... i don't regret purchasing it at all.
I will probably end up buying an Android phone in the near future as well and then have three phones to myself...
Microsoft really needs to step up and get one heck of a Windows Mobile 7 operating system released as soon as possible! And having tested Windows 7 on my desktop - seeing how Microsoft is finally going in the right direction, i'm positive that they will surprise us this time with a Windows Mobile that actually performs better than any other OS out there.
are you selling your X1 i would like to buy it please PM me
Thank you; no Microsoft anymore: not 6th, nor 7th nor 8th++.
Two months were more that enough.
Now I enjoy the speed and power of Android** (the 1st!) every single minute.
**) it might be Nokia N97 with the touch-screen-capable Symbian S60 as well.... it just comes too late to me.
jackleung said:
The market & reality tells it all. If PalmOS is so great, it wouldn't be dying like the way it is now. It UI (especially the input method) was so hard to use and handle for ordinary people. It may run smoother and more efficiently than WM, but the real truth is it's does not handle multi-tasking.
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Of course if the so-called "market" (read cartel) had any sort of bloody clue whatsoever, we wouldn't have been held back 10 years on desktop PCs with a crappy, inferior 8086 archtecture. PalmOS isn't any great shakes, but any OS like WM that takes 5 seconds to dismiss a "SMS sent" notification on high-end hardware should have been drowned at birth, and failing that should be put out of it's misery post-haste! Free Software FTW!
will it be possible to update to wm7 on the xperia when it comes out without any problems? im new to smartphones and don't know how customizable they are
Carreragt17 said:
will it be possible to update to wm7 on the xperia when it comes out without any problems? im new to smartphones and don't know how customizable they are
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When the time comes... we'll see. Officially i don't think so, but i'm sure we'll see cooked roms flying in in no time!