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I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of
upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone
i.e call quality, reception, screen etc....
Thanks
if you like windows mobile then stick with windows mobile, if you prefer symbian then go with the e90 as it's got a better screen and it's more portable. I'm kind of into symbian at the moment, and i've always thought nokia's are good in terms of reception and sound quality. Invariably it boils down to if you're familiar with windows mobile to the extent that you could ever get by with anything else. I think there are more applications on windows mobile and a bigger development group but if you're only going to be browsing, calling, texting, listing to music and watching videos i think you'll definitely be better off with the e90. That's only my opinion though
E90
You'll find nothing on E90
extremely slow
not good sound Quality
not good camera ( smilar with N80 )
built! in but not working GPS ( crazy tomtom )
but
Good screen resolution and colours, some usable applications and some portable than X7500.
Not very portable...
he have 4" screen...
No tv out
yes that's it.
not anymore.
If I was you...
I will never do that for an E90
You may checkt it by your self
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1887
Thanks for replys
the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2
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the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2
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Equancy, your criticisms are unfounded, and that GSMArena article seems to favour the E90 to me.
The E90 is NOT slow - where did you get this information?
Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this.
Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
clamshell design protects the screen, therefore a case is not necessary (though advised). In the event of a catastrophic bump the screen will not be damaged.
There is nothing wrong with the camera. Ok, it's not as fast as a Sony Ericsson cybershot camfone but it's a hell of a lot better than the Athena's laggy specimen - and has VGA 25fps video recording.
The Athena however has a big screen and is a powerful windows mobile device. I re-iterate, if you LIKE windows mobile, have lots of software and don't wish to get a Symbian device then don't bother with the E90. I don't wish to debate the advantages of each operating system as it's about what you prefer, but the Athena and E90 both have varying advantages and disadvantages which you'll need to weigh up when you come to upgrade.
Check THIS link for a more descriptive comparison
IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.
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I have no axe to grind, and if you'd READ my previous post you'd see that I said it's about choice.
Some people don't need a tv output. I've had it on two devices and never used it. USB host is useful if you wish to plug card readers or USB infrared readers into your device but not much use for viewing movies from as it's only USB 1.1. On the subject of movies, although the E90's screen is smaller the fact that it plays movies better counts for something.
On occasion I have been very frustrated with Windows Mobile, but on the whole I've mellowed. I still own a Hermes and still like to tweak it: I follows Schapp's updates and like finding new applications to use. I liked the Athena's screen and I liked typing messages with Fingertouch on the screen.
All I was saying is that the two devices will be right or wrong for you depending on needs. If you NEED a big screen then the Athena is the one to go for. If you NEED tv out ditto. It also has more developers on its case, but I would SUGGEST that the Nokia would be a better choice for multimedia purposes and possibly browsing (so long as you don't mind the smaller screen). If you want more of a data centric/input device, maybe something for stocks and shares and E-book reading with ready-to-go memory then the Athena will be a better choice.
It's not about how many extras a device has on it so much as which of those extras you actually need, and how good you need them to be.
I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be unobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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yeah!!! very glad to see some enthusiasm about the Athena!!
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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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Dear God - have you been taking lessons in eloquency???
I hadn't noticed that the site was Symbian until you pointed it out to me - It was the first thing that came up on Google. Its points seemed fair to me though.
"I can watch DVD-9 movies"
"perfect camera"
"Linux support"
May I just say that based on your comments thus far I don't respect your opinion, and I hope that the people on this forum can contribute some genuine and reasoned criticism.
you didnt notice that a page called "allabout symbian" was a symbian suported site???
I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)
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I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)
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Well at least you're not spouting rubbish. I don't think my argument was unjust and yes, I was a bit of a berk for not noticing that the site was a symbian one....
On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.
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On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.
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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think i'd put video performance above screen size if judged soley on multimedia, but not in other aspects.
I'd LOVE to know how Equancy plays dual-layer discs on his Athena, wouldn't you Eaglesteve?
I think they each have their advantages.
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I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be nonobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?
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if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...
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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think they each have their advantages though.
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I'm a portrait user 99% of the time. In landscape, the device is harder to hold with my left hand, keyboard covers up too much of screen, and you're left with too little screen space, given that the task bar is longer. Only when watching movies and using GPS I like landscape better.
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if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...
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I do go through periods of frustration with Operating Systems in general. What I was feeling during previous posts does not necessarily hold true now. If you read and understood my posts in this thread you will see that I have weighed up the advantages and disadvantages of each device. In light of the predominantly negative attitude to the E90 in this thread, and taking into account that it is on a site wherein most contributers will soley own Windows Mobile devices I have taken a slant that leans more towards Symbian perhaps. The question from the poster though was:
I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone i.e call quality, reception, screen etc...."
So far everyone has just slagged off the E90, despite the fact that they have never used it. Some people even seem to be getting angry that I present points in favour of the E90 (depending on what type of user you are), but I have presented good points in favour of the Athena too.
I would like confirmation from Cryptkiller of whether he was after adult, experienced comparisons or a Symbian/Windows Mobile slanging match. I may have only had the E90 briefly but it seems I have more room for constructive criticism than most here, aside from Eaglesteve who has provided sound comparisons based on what he KNOWS of the two devices.
well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII though?
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well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII by the way?
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I'm due an upgrade and I MAY get the TyTn 2. I originally got an N95 on upgrade because I already had everything else. To be honest I thought it was a bit crap at first, then a firmware update made things better. Since christmas I've had the version 20 firmware which makes the camera and general performance great - it even improves battery life. There's loads of software available for mulltimedia and general fun pursuits - great Ngage games and this and this in the pipeline too!
I'll see how I feel next month I think...
Touch Pro vs Xperia
Touch Pro and Xperia are both extremely powerful sets, but when you come to the point of deciding among the two, it can drive you insane. I know because i spent quite a few days contemplating over the same question. And thus here i try to do a short comparison between the two which may be of use to you.
So here we go...
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, Touch Pro has a smaller screen (2.8'' where as Xperia has 3'') and also lacks in resolution. So Xperia walks out a winner here as well.
3. In regard to camera, Touch Pro and Xperia both have the same camera in terms of MP - 3.2. And both have a camera flash... but considering which one is superior in terms of camera quality, my money is on Sony Ericsson. 'Cos if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch Pro's camera. Video recording is in both, but here the Touch Pro lags behind in video capture resolution. Both mobiles also come with a second camera on the front for video conferencing. So the way i see it, video capture quality improved and with SE's track record of camera performance, Xperia is the winner here.
4. Main interface -
Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here. Furthermore, with the release of Touch HD sporting the same resolution as Xperia and coming with touch Flo 3D, we can actually hope for someone to pull a rip off of the Touch Flo 3D from the HD onto the Xperia sometime soon...
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TF3D has not been ported onto Xperia and man! does it run fast or what! And you have the Panel interface active too! That is just AWESOME!
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch Pro. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point... My cousin has the Touch Diamond and he says that its weakest factor is its battery. (Keep in mind that Touch Pro has a larger battery than the Diamond)
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch Pro!
8. Keyboard - The keyboard on Touch Pro is considered to be the best one out there. As for the Xperia keyboard, we can't say anything for sure about it at this point till the final device hits the market, but taking into account its prototype models, the keyboard on Xperia is behind the Touch Pro.
9. Set Build - The touch pro and Xperia are almost of the same width. Second, the metal look of Xperia is exquisite. Touch Pro's look is really great too, but fingerprints tend to show on the case more than you can imagine. (unless you get the sprint version which has a different back). Third, Xperia is definitely lighter - even though it has a steel case.
10. Navigation - Depends on which one you like, the optical joystick on Xperia or the HTC Wheel.
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch Pro (not sure about this, it is in Touch HD but not sure if in Pro), but none too major to consider here.
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, those LEDs (kinda cool) and more. Plus. There. is. the. fish! panel.
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Updated Conclusion: From where i sit, Xperia is a winner all the way. If you definitely require Accelerometer and TV-Out then go for the Pro, but you'll be missing out on a lot.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
(According to GSM Arena; Xperia also has a secondary video-call camera. Can anyone confirm this?)
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uhm, it's definitely there, nobody would make a flagship phone without video call capability today..., check SE site if you still doubt.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch Pro!
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this is definitely one of my biggest disappointment w/ X1 and one of the things that make me thinking over and over again if I will buy X1, there's also a rather very high probability that this will make X1 suffers badly in the future when WM7 is out.
11. Navigation - Depends on which one you like, the optical joystick on Xperia or the HTC Wheel.
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most people don't know this, but X1 also have 5 ways traditional d-pad which blend seamlessly with that optical joystick - always makes me wonder why it should be called joystick anyway, optical scroll pad would be more fit -
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch Pro (not sure about this, it is in Touch HD but not sure if in Pro), but none too major to consider here.
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X1 also have in call recording feature, I've seen the video in which showing the icon of this feature.
ah 1 other thing, this is going to be nuts, but aside from bengalboy preview and a video from an italian magazine, no other previews out there seemed know about the display rotation button in the X1, and recently somebody said in other forum that the button is missing in the X1 picture @ official SE website if X1 really can't rotate it's display without opening the keyboard then it would be a suicide for SE.
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uhm, it's definitely there, nobody would make a flagship phone without video call capability today..., check SE site if you still doubt.
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Thanks for confirming...
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this is definitely one of my biggest disappointment w/ X1 and one of the things that make me thinking over and over again if I will buy X1, there's also a rather very high probability that this will make X1 suffers badly in the future when WM7 is out.
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Was mine too, till i found out that WM7 is delayed to somewhere in late 2009 or 2010... so no biggie about that. (even if we move to WM7, the only feature i think'll be missing would be gestures, and we can probably live without that)
The only thing about accelerometer is that you miss out on some cool applications/games using that. But i can live without those as well they aren't too huge to be concerned over.
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most people don't know this, but X1 also have 5 ways traditional d-pad which blend seamlessly with that optical joystick - always makes me wonder why it should be called joystick anyway, optical scroll pad would be more fit -
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I knew that but called it a joystick as almost every site lists it that way. (i never knew why 'cos it is a pad and no joystick popping out) The d-pad actually seems very awesome!
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X1 also have in call recording feature, I've seen the video in which showing the icon of this feature.
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Cool... see this is the second thing i didn't know.
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ah 1 other thing, this is going to be nuts, but aside from bengalboy preview and a video from an italian magazine, no other previews out there seemed know about the display rotation button in the X1, and recently somebody said in other forum that the button is missing in the X1 picture @ official SE website if X1 really can't rotate it's display without opening the keyboard then it would be a suicide for SE.
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The button will definitely be there. Magnus mentioned it in one of his video demonstrations... and i've seen others mention it as well. I'll try to look for it...
So now the biggest - and only - drawback of the X1 seems to be the accelerometer. Other than that, it is ahead of Touch Pro in various regards...
I've made up my mind, now you should too.
Best Regards.
The button will definitely be there. Magnus mentioned it in one of his video demonstrations... and i've seen others mention it as well. I'll try to look for it...
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but they never used it, even Magnus himself opened the keyboard everytime! This scarres me
*edit*
I would also like to share my opinion that already posted in my thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430501
especially these points :
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
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but they never used it, even Magnus himself opened the keyboard everytime! This scarres me
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Lol! yeah... he does use the keyboard to switch the screen in every video. Though this button to switch the screen has been talked about in many videos, only two or so actually show it. From what i understand, this functionality was confirmed from the start but missing out on the prototypes. (We'll definitely get a preview of this by someone once it is officially launched tomorrow)
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+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
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The panels default look - all 9 panels side by side in a 3x3 grid - does not look that appealing once you think of it, but in actuality they look awesome. (i have felt the same way as you, but once i watch a video, i love 'em again)
Of course switching panels by flicking your finger to the right or left would be an awesome feature, but i like the way it gives you quick access to all 9 panels with a click of a button. Not to mention, you can switch the panel view into card flow like or some other... (that to me is more cooler than the flicking - having all panels in a arced row like a hand of cards and then you swipe your finger over them to bring each one to the top and then select the one you want)
This definitely is a per-person opinion... but i am sure that their panels will come with a more polished look and feel once the final device is launched.
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- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
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An accelerometer in the mobile would have made it A+++. But why didn't they add it is beyond me. They really should have, but they didn't. Apart from it having had a cool affect on the panels, the most it would have offered would have been a couple of cool games, which i can definitely live without.
On that note... i wish they had made the keyboard on the black on also black.
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- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
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Their panels are the UI. Just like Touch Flo 3D is the HTC touch Diamon/Pro/HD UI. In my case SE has done more in terms of UI for the WinMo device that HTC... the Touch Flo 3D is pretty static - in terms that there is not too much customization happening for it. But for the panels, they can be ANYTHING!
I'm waiting for them to support C# or VB.Net in the Panel SDK so that i can try out a few things on it... but believe me, with the Developer SDK for Panels, the sky is the limit. (well not literally, but the UI is panels here - so let me just say: BE CONVINCED!!!)
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- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
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All the default software will be there, like Microsoft Office, Adobe, etc. They didn't cover that in videos 'cos what's the use of covering them? We will probably see a full list of softwares and features once the phone is released tomorrow. As for the contacts integrated into the multimedia panel... Hmmm... i haven't really thought about that much.
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- rather small onboard storage
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This is one other actual flaw in Xperia (other than there being no Accelerometer). But then most of the others also have rather small on-board storage... and rely on MicroSD (including Touch Pro and Touch HD).
Only the Touch Diamond has a 2 GB (or bigger) internal memory, but then that has no expansion slot.
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Their panels are the UI. Just like Touch Flo 3D is the HTC touch Diamon/Pro/HD UI. In my case SE has done more in terms of UI for the WinMo device that HTC... the Touch Flo 3D is pretty static - in terms that there is not too much customization happening for it. But for the panels, they can be ANYTHING!
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I wasn't talking about 'home screen' UI or UI that built for the most used apps or on the top of WM UI, something like that, no.
I was talking about the UI after we dig more deeper into the OS....let me give u example from TP and Omnia taken from gsmarena review
Once you get past the Home screen and all the finger sweeps and animations though, all you are left with is muddy waters of the not-so-thumbable Microsoft OS. We are not against Windows Mobile by any means, however having to poke about your device with a little stick called stylus is so 1990s.
HTC however have made some efforts to tweak up the core Windows usability too. Some of the most used system settings, contacts management, and the messaging department have all benefited, and so have image and web browsing.
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Samsung have chosen to replace the contacts list with a touch optimized application of their own. It's accessible from the Samsung MainMenu and it's rather iPhone-like, or let's say iPhone-inspired. You can scroll the contacts by dragging your thumb across the display or quickly jump to a letter (iPhone way). The contacts list can be easily sorted by memory (Phone or SIM), by Name, company or Category, or you can easily search by gradual typing.
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nah, something like that, do you get my point? In most of X1 videos I only seen the standard WM UI I even yet to see any thumbable on screen keyboard in X1, it just shown the standard and disappointingly small qwerty on screen keyboard...
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HTC however have made some efforts to tweak up the core Windows usability too. Some of the most used system settings, contacts management, and the messaging department have all benefited, and so have image and web browsing.
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Hmm... well, in Xperia most system settings are tweaked for touch-screen. Furthermore, there is an Application Panel as well - which is completely touch-friendly and lets you browse the applications, etc. with ease. This brings me to my initial statement that we can replace core UI by panels easily in Xperia.
Contacts Management - as you probably saw - is completely touch friendly in Xperia and is their own implementation. Messaging, images, and web-browsing are also tweaked/improved.
I'm going to try and get you some videos that i saw a while back.
As for the on-screen keyboard; i for one will be using the actual keyboard for typing and stuff, but i am sure that the keyboard on xperia will be touch friendly and hopefully better than the default one. (i have seen the Touch Keyboard on Touch Pro and it is somewhat the standard one as well)
As for the on-screen keyboard; i for one will be using the actual keyboard for typing and stuff
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as for me, I will be using the keyboard when I want to type something long or perhaps when I already use the device in landscape mode or like while browsing...but I'm rather lazy to open the keyboard just for replying/creating an SMS and I'm sure most people would also feel the same. That's why a comfortable on screen keyboard is almost a must for me.
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as for me, I will be using the keyboard when I want to type something long or perhaps when I already use the device in landscape mode or like while browsing...but I'm rather lazy to open the keyboard just for replying/creating an SMS and I'm sure most people would also feel the same. That's why a comfortable on screen keyboard is almost a must for me.
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There is a video at Tracy and Matt blog that goes into the Control Panel and other sections of the mobile... definitely tweaked for touch experience. but i couldn't find any that showed the on-screen keyboard...
So basically, all concerns apart, the major concern that remains is what kind of an on-screen keyboard does it have?
Just get this one, its free and iPhon-ish:
http://www.pocketcm.com/screenshot.php?v=3
1. Really? Specs show 256, Touch Pro has 288.
2. Xperia is a "winner" unless you consider the fact that most applications won't work with its screen... Bigger, yes, but odd proportions.
3. Xperia's camera is better because of auto touch focus, conceded.
4. You can't be serious, panels better than TF3D? TF3D looks 10x better, but the panels are more functional, I give it a tie at best.
5. Bigger battery, yes, and according to specs Xperia has 180 mins more of talk time... Better.
6. HTC manufactures both phones, I don't know where you're going with this one.
7. No poor 3G reception at all for me, people like to complain.
8. If you've used a phone with an accelerometer you realize how much more fun it is, not just for games.
9. Xperia keyboard looks like junk, said to feel "mushy", and only 4 row. No chance.
10. Where are you getting this information?! "Touch Pro is thick, Xperia is slim"... Really? Touch Pro = 18.05 mm, Xperia = 17mm... I didn't realize 1mm made a phone "thick" instead of "slim"
11. I like the touch pad better, so I'll give this one to Xperia
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1. Really? Specs show 256, Touch Pro has 288.
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256 MB was old specs... RAM was boosted up to 384MB for the final device a couple of weeks back.
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2. Xperia is a "winner" unless you consider the fact that most applications won't work with its screen... Bigger, yes, but odd proportions.
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This was one my main concerns as well - but prior to HTC announcing the HTC touch HD (same resolution as Xperia) and others also moving towards the same resolution. So in the long term, IMO Xperia is a winner.
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3. Xperia's camera is better because of auto touch focus, conceded.
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At-least you agree with me on one thing...
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4. You can't be serious, panels better than TF3D? TF3D looks 10x better, but the panels are more functional, I give it a tie at best.
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I said that TF3D is amazing looking and better even that what we've seen so far for Xperia Panels... BUT keep in mind that with the customizability of Panels and the Developer SDK out in the open for Free, we will see new panels coming out real soon... and that my friend is going to be the turning point here. Xperia Panels may not be as glossy as TF3D - which i said in my post - but they are more customizable and new panels/interfaces can be easily applied. From the looks, though TF3D is better looking, we can expect same level or better panels to hit soon - but for now TF3D wins in terms of look. But from a functionality stand-point Panels win...
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5. Bigger battery, yes, and according to specs Xperia has 180 mins more of talk time... Better.
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Yay! Another one!
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6. HTC manufactures both phones, I don't know where you're going with this one.
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I know HTC Manufactured both devices, but SE has a hand in the non-hardware related stuff in Xperia - or rather Xperia is a SE device not a HTC device... you know what i mean...
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7. No poor 3G reception at all for me, people like to complain.
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It isn't called complaining according to my dictionary but is rather a comment based on experience. He is not satisfied with the reception of 3G on his touch pro... but you don't face any lack of reception. It's as simple as that.
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8. If you've used a phone with an accelerometer you realize how much more fun it is, not just for games.
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Actually... i've been carrying an iPhone for over an year now. Accelerometer is pretty much the bomb (one of the main features) but it is definitely something that one can live without. Even after an year, the Accelerometer is mainly used for games and fun utilities - which i already pointed out... but it is also used for switching to landscape automatically in applications, but then again hitting a button to switch isn't that big a deal either.
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9. Xperia keyboard looks like junk, said to feel "mushy", and only 4 row. No chance.
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Have you actually played with it? And need i remind you that anyone who has played with Xperia so far has done so with a Prototype set. We can't come to a final conclusion based on the review of a prototype set. But anyays, like i said, Touch Pro's keyboard is considered one of the best.
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10. Where are you getting this information?! "Touch Pro is thick, Xperia is slim"... Really? Touch Pro = 18.05 mm, Xperia = 17mm... I didn't realize 1mm made a phone "thick" instead of "slim"
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Ahh. My mistake. When i was writing the comparison, i checked the thickness of Touch Pro and i thought it said 20 but i was looking at something completely different. I'll correct this in the main post right now.
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11. I like the touch pad better, so I'll give this one to Xperia
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The touch pad is better!
I'm copying this from the other thread... as it answers some of your statements in further details:
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
@Black93300ZX
Concerning 3G reception and Touch Pro: Just do a search and you'll find a lot of people complaining about that.
The same for Diamond - the devices are very equal concerning this weakness.
But I would never try to convince someone to buy a Xperia instead of any other phone, I just wanted to mention it, because it's very important for me. Do with this information whatever you want.
If you like the HTC Touch Pro better: Go for it.
The screen size alone makes the Xperia a winner to me, don't know why the HTC phones seems to be stucked with 2.8 screens.
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The screen size alone makes the Xperia a winner to me, don't know why the HTC phones seems to be stucked with 2.8 screens.
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HTC Touch HD has a bigger screen...
I don't know if this is the final product or not, but seriously I can't find the rotation button there maybe you can see it?
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other than that, these photos look awesome!
http://translate.google.se/translat...41244/default.aspx&sl=cs&tl=en&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8
Hi,
first, I would like to ask if anybody knows about the software that is actually shipped with the Xperia X1 (not on the test releases, but on the ones that we can get soon)? Are there any other tools than the WM6.1 tools? (Like, a Navigation system? A media player? Games? Business software?)??
Second, are there any reviews from "independend" magazines testing the devices that are shipped (rather than any "latest beta releases")??
Thanks for info!
Eriol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432806
a lot is answered in the manual
Rudegar said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432806
a lot is answered in the manual
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But keep in mind that the manual is a Draft version and there may be various changes in the final device... but it definitely will cut close to the final release.
I think this is the first review available. Use google translator or something:
http://www.jouwmobiel.com/
Thank you very much! This war very interesting to read. The end:
Very good battery life! Good quality of camera and videofunction. Solid build.
There is some speculation this review is based on a 256mb proto, but i think we can safely say, the retail will not be any different, since teh author says the device is fast and stable and the build quality is also good. so as far as that is concerned everything works fine on a 256mb proto (if it is a proto) and should work even better on retail version.
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There is some speculation this review is based on a 256mb proto, but i think we can safely say, the retail will not be any different, since teh author says the device is fast and stable and the build quality is also good. so as far as that is concerned everything works fine on a 256mb proto (if it is a proto) and should work even better on retail version.
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They didn't mention anything of the specs - i.e. how much RAM and actual speed of switching panels, etc... so we really can't say for sure if it is final or not. Anyways, i posted the same link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433491
That review is in dutch, by MR over at Mobile-Review (a trusted reviewer). He's added some comments on their forums too.
He says it runs fast, no problems there. Keyboard sounds better than his earlier impressions would have you believe, but clearly inferior to the Touch Pro. Build quality is fantastic. Panels poorly implemented, Opera browser poorly implemented (for example the Google panel goes to PIE instead), WinMo barely covered at all by panels - especially bad given how small the text/icons are on this resolution screen - AKA not finger friendly at all. All in all disappointing out-of-the-box experience - what remains to be seen is what people can do with panels, or better yet, porting TF3D to this phone.
As i said there was a bit of speculation over at esato. But it does not matter. If it's retail it works fine, if it's proto, the retail will work fine as well. Most certanly it's the latest ROM.
Regarding this review I would say xperia is an awsome piece of hardware. And if there is enough interest in improving this "out-of-the-box" XPERIAnce, especially on this forum, it will also make an outstanding phone on the whole. I really hope this happens.
Anyone seen any 3rd party panels yet? My google searches haven't turned up a single one!
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That review is in dutch, by MR over at Mobile-Review (a trusted reviewer). He's added some comments on their forums too.
He says it runs fast, no problems there. Keyboard sounds better than his earlier impressions would have you believe, but clearly inferior to the Touch Pro. Build quality is fantastic. Panels poorly implemented, Opera browser poorly implemented (for example the Google panel goes to PIE instead), WinMo barely covered at all by panels - especially bad given how small the text/icons are on this resolution screen - AKA not finger friendly at all. All in all disappointing out-of-the-box experience - what remains to be seen is what people can do with panels, or better yet, porting TF3D to this phone.
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I saw one from Spb on Youtube, but I`m sorry I can`t fint the link. Maybe someone can help.
I think it might be in the 43 min video with Magnus. I think he shows a panel from Spb.
Take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQTjnObyOM
After about 19:45 you`ll see the spb panel.
They are at the most obvious place:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/fun/wxh...Id=-1;startIndex=0;phoneId=-1;contentItemId=0
Nice, Jabe.
I tried the norwegian version of the site and the panel-link isn`t working. Nice to see a few panels allready available.
Being in France, I can't get my hand on a Sony-Ericsson Xperia X1.
Can some confirm if EveryWAN Remote Support is fully functional on it ?
You can download it here:
EveryWAN: Pocket PC Remote Control download
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They are at the most obvious place:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/fun/wxh...Id=-1;startIndex=0;phoneId=-1;contentItemId=0
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DashWire seems like a nice one too!
But the main thing to note here is that with panels such as Dashwire or the Spb Panel, you can get an idea of how much you can do with Panels... i'm expecting a Touch Flo 3D panel in the near future for Xperia...
Very glad to see at least a few panels coming out, X1Panels.com is still just a placeholder
Hi,
Post any reviews that you find in this thread, with a small conclusion if possible.
NOTE: I have added a poll to this thread, but do not cast your vote yet. Let as many reviews come in, and then vote.
Reviews: (links to reviews will be added here as they start coming in after being confirmed to be reviewing the final build)
Old Links:
Description: The first review of Xperia to hit the Web. Does not go into much detail on performance and speed but covers a lot of stuff in detail and has a couple of really good pictures.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
Side-Notes: The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... However in my opinion, you can set the font size to your needs and can easily overcome this. Furthermore, they say that default panels are great but lacking in functionality - which i agree with, but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal. (For instance, consider the SpbShell panel or others available at SE's site)
Descriptions: M3's review of Xperia. Not too much detail, just the gyst of it all.
Link: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183975/fo...ria-x1&usg=ALkJrhjPndp9Yybs6iISJnj1OhWlA9MLBw
Side-Notes: Build quality is great but will Panels live up to the expectations? X-Panels are a bit slow at times - same as what Generation Phone House guys said - but hopefully an update will fix it up. The camera is not as good as can be expected from Sony Ericsson (although in my opinion, having seen sample shots, i think it is great!). TF3D from Touch Pro/Diamond is smoother than Panels - in the sense of switching screens/panels. Spb shell is the absolute best screen at the moment.
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Videos: (links to Youtube and other videos - showcasing the final xperia. Videos included within reviews are not included in this list)
Description: Xperia Testing...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjatGzL-QRA
Notes: Very nice and really fast. Near the end she switches from landscape to portrait and it is almost instant if not exactly.
Description: A look at SE panel... Very smooth and fast!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnDosWiuY
Description: EMP Xperia Video 1 - Goes over the interface of Xperia via various apps. No dialogue and the video is stretched, but worth looking at.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms
Description: EMP Xperia Video 2 - Word, Excel, browsing, etc.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE5U-klAHw
Description: Swedish? or some other non-Enligh review. Takes you through panels - more of a quick glance - in the first vid. The second link looks at the keyboard. And the third video again looks at panels though this time using the finger rather than a stylus.
Link 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfVYd0fwYQ
Link 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbFgJ8d4mU
Link 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24GNI-ZKB4
Notes: i'm really liking what i see...
Old Links:
Description: A demonstration by Xperiancers. Though they say that it is not the final device, but is the pretty close to it - prob. with the increased RAM and all.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zal6JJn5F38
Notes: Fast. Silver looks Good! Showcases the Spb Panel as well!
Thanks to hrcro for sharing.
Description: A demonstration by Generation Phone House of Xperia.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlrJAncJxE
Notes: "Finishes impeccable design and fun, this XPERIA X1 is a true success. The camera is effective and the presence of a 3.5 jack a real asset! The app is rather fast, only the X Panel has been a bit slow at times..."
Side-notes: Panels work pretty great in his video, but like he said the X Panel is a bit slow at times.
Description: SE Press Conference (Swedish) Videos + Unboxing
Link 1: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183954/xperia-unboxing
Link 2: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183853/m3-direktsander-xperia--lanseringen
Thanks to floordust for sharing.
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Best regards.
Thanks to Jabe for pointing out this review, which is probably the very first Xperia review - i.e. the very first review of the final Xperia device.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
(You will need to translate using Google Translators...)
The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... Furthermore, the default panels are great but lacking in functionality but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal.
Note: There is speculation that this is also a prototype model's review, and we can't confirm as the reviewer does not state it to be the final set and neither are specs, etc. detailed. Hopefully we'll see more reviews come out in the next day or so.
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
Black93300ZX said:
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
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We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
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I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
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Cool. Please let us know when he responds.
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We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
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Well, I knew it wouldn't perform like the TP's keyboard (5 row to 4 row obviously) but I figured with the bigger buttons it would feel good to type on.
In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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Definitely... and though also goes on to say that it is hard to find keys at times and so on, but once you get used to it, it won't be any hassle. It won't match up to Touch Pro's keyboard, but i think it would be pretty good.
"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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with time and practice, we'll know.
" The keyboard is good, but we have seen better."
Thats after all the criticisms, so sounds like a final summation to me, and hence why it seems adequate.
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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Thanks... hopefully we'll see more vidz soon.
Did he confirm if this is a prototype version or a final one?
I agree, the default panels are pretty basic - if you ask me - but given Xperia's hardware and the Panel SDK, there is a lot of potential over here. (thus why i am in favor of Panels over TF3D)
He has confirmed it was the final release.
Agreed on the panels front, but for now its clearly inferior to running Manilla on this phone.
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
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Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
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I agree with what you said. Xperia's initial panels may fail to impress, but it'll boast the best hardware in the market at the moment for a WinMo device. It definitely has a lot of potential.
Furthermore Manila 2D may be something i might be looking it, but once Touch HD comes out - same resolution - there is chance of TF3D being copied over onto Xperia as well which will definitely be able to take it on with its specs.
Touch Pro is the best alternative there is to Xperia at the moment, but in my opinion Xperia is better - more RAM, customizability (panels), higher resolution, better video recording capabilities...
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not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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Cool! I was actually wondering about font size customizability... but since i don't know much about Windows Mobiles in depth (this'll be my first WinMo device, so you could call me a newbie) i didn't wanna sound stupid by asking...
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Design:
Xperia = 3
HD = 10
On that field HD wins easyly, my opinion of course
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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Yes it is all over youtube, it is one of the many panels.
Raziel1 said:
Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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A thin device is an advantage, not the missing keyboard. I am curious how well the typing will be. What do the Diamond colleagues say about this?
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well. This point goes to Xperia. And this might be important for video viewing, coding/encoding. Not so much for the panels ... I do not care too much about the panels.
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Well this Diamond colleague says I like the keyboard on the Diamond although it is not as fast as a tactile keyboard. However, not because of the reason I expected (the fact that you cannot feel the buttons) as I got used to that quite fast but rather because the keyboard is a bit cramped on the diamond and therefore I miss keys sometimes. The landscape keyboard is really nice and I can imagine that with the added width it will be much less of a problem. Using the suretype keyboard I can type as fast as anything, if the keys were bigger it would be even faster.
Conclusion: I do not miss a tactile keyboard, but I do miss the real estate to put a virtual variant on. So with the HD I will have very little use for a tactile keyboard! My two cents.
As a Touch Pro owner I've learned that for my typical use the keyboard is not much of an asset -- I've found that I've become so accustomed to the virtual keyboard, especially the improved virtual keyboard choices in the Diamond/Touch Pro series, that I hardly ever even open the sliding keyboard. So for me the HD seems like a better choice than the X1 because it offers much greater screen real estate so using the virtual keyboard has less impact on what I'm typing into. My advice: if you really like using the hardware keyboard, try using the virtual keyboard exclusively for awhile to see if you can adapt (I know the virtual keyboard on your Jamin is small and more difficult to use but it still might help you evaluate that) -- if you can adapt to the virtual keyboard then the HD might be your better choice. If not, and you really need the hardware keyboard I suggest you should stick with a model that includes it. The problem in today's market is these devices are so expensive, if we make the wrong choice it's expensive to correct it.
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia YES, microSD
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia 1500
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Xperia has an SD slot......
Xperia is rumored to have the longer battery life
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Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well.
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If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
For 3D gaming the Xperia will be a better deal as well ... The HD is missing some control buttons for this as well. But, honestly, 3D gaming is not what I want to do with this hardware ...
We will see how Xperia and HD perform on video viewing and things like this.
Eriol
The only Games i like to play on my Prophet are the oldscool LucasArts Adventures and some strategy games, and they will be fantastic to play on a screen like the Touch HDs. For 3D Gaming i prefer my PC, ive no need to play shooters with bad graphics and without mouse
I will definately buy a Touch HD as soon as it comes out.
If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
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As far as i heard its the other way around:
Xperia has no graphic chip while the HD has got one. But whatever is true, areamobile and other reviewers teste it and said, that the X1 has got horrible performance in 3D and not that good in 2D. (the panels are just one of the main moments where you will see this). They also compared the X1 to the HD and said that the HD has got more power and better performance.
Battery life of the X1 is pretty good as tested. it has 1500 battery in it, while the HD has got a 1350 battery. But on the other hand, they couldn't test the HD battery. What they found out so far, is that it seems to live upt to its promised hours (which are higher than that of the X1) and that the testers where very surprised and positive, that the HD backlight doesn't use much power and as so, doesn't really impact bettery life. And that the HD performes very good on 3G, because of sime kind of new chip improvements HTC made (they asked HTC about it and recieved a statement about new architekute or improvements of their qualcomm chip)
camera/speed
as much as i believe X1 will have a waaaay better camera. Base on the reviews i've seen, the panels is so slow that makes the user feels like running vista on 512Ram. reminds me of touchflo when they first came out. what do you guys think?
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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Dinovo Mini would be a nice idea i got one myself. the good thing is the touchpad, which works as a mousepad and as cursors at the same time. (Holding down the FN buttons switches the modes) or you cqan just use a little slider on the top to switch the mode of the dinovo. The only thing you will have to do, is to download the program AEKMap and the dinovo map file, so that you get all keys like F1-F12
considering that the Experia once have lost against the XDA Diamond (another compare somewhere in the board) and that the Touch HD is a further stage of PDA, not to say the state of the art, i think there is no need to compare both of them to find out, wo is the winner