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Feedback? AutoHiding StartBar/NewBar/Reminders

Guys,
Do any of you use my Today Toggle software in full screen mode?
I've developed an "auto-hiding" start bar and new menu bar (the one at the bottom of the today screen) to go in conjunction with my full screen today screen.
Theory - use my TodayToggle to have a fullscreen today. But that hides away your start bar to a small line (usable but small). For some that can be disconcerting, and you also lose some minor functionality (the clock!).
So, here's what I've invented. But I don't think any of you guys use it!
My basic today screen (new bar is hidden, but start bar is shown):
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Note the tiny dots in the top left corner? That's my new program, HideStart.
Ok: clicking on the dots hides the start bar and shows my PhoneAlarm skin instead
Click and holding the dots brings up a menu, with the time, and an option to toggle the New Menu bar:
And toggling the new menu bar shows it, in a more convenient place!
Would any of you guys ever have use for this?
V

RE
Hi vijay555,
Post your new HideStart here and let us have a try
Thanks

If this could be set to simply toggle the start and new bar at the top (without using a popup menu), I'd find it very useful. I don't use PhoneAlarm hence only needing to switch between the two. It would also need to be compatible with TillanoSoft's SmallMenuPlus.
It might be useful to allow the dots to be left or right by user option too.
Like FOSA says, post it here and let us have a play.

mtbsoft - I use SmallMenuPlus so it's certainly compatible with it.
It needs a couple of tweaks, so I'll release it shortly... but I think I'm the only one that uses the Fullscreen phonealarm hack, so there's not much point muddying waters by releasing it in that form.
Your idea for a Startmenu/NewBar toggle is probably better for most users. I'll see if I can knock that up.
V

Fantastic, I look forward to it.

Hi Vijay,
Can you like switch the start menu on the bottom and put the new menu on the top? it will be a cool feature... thanks in advance
::adit

adit - I could do that, but are you sure you would want it?
An idea would be to move the start bar to the bottom of the screen like the old WinCe, and shift the whole screen up to fill the gap.
I'll try it out at home to see if it's usable. But some things are hard coded to find the start bar at the top, eg notification balloons (and new bar menus are hardcoded to appear at the bottom). So although I could do it, it'd be more for "advanced users" - ie geeks like me!
V

Guys - a new hack:
Don't you hate it when your reminders pop up - you want to remember them, but you can't be bothered to Snooze them for 5 mins each?
I've managed to add a new mod to send reminders to the back, ie push them out of the way, but still keep them all intact.
Let me demonstrate:
A normal reminder, demonstrating my NewBar hack at the top of the screen. Note the little reminder icon on the left of the tray?
My hack "ghosts" the alarm, so that it is still visible but sent can now be pushed aside, ie you can operate your PPC normally, but view the reminder screen anytime
You call up the reminders again using the little alarm icon in the tray.
The reminders can then be activated, dismissed etc as normal.
Not for release yet - just a work in progress
V

RE
Hi vijay555,
Can you make that tray icon blink to red color so that its more visible?
Thanks

vijay555 said:
Don't you hate it when your reminders pop up - you want to remember them, but you can't be bothered to Snooze them for 5 mins each?
I've managed to add a new mod to send reminders to the back, ie push them out of the way, but still keep them all intact.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Stunning idea, dammit but you must be psychic! I was just thinking no more that an hour ago what a pain the current implementation of reminders is.
I agree with FOSA on the colour and blinking would be even better.
What happens about the sound though when the alarm is pushed to the back? Is it muted or does it continue (and what if it is via a third party product like SuperAlert or Pocket Plus?)?
Edit:
Now here's a challenge for you. Can you actually modify the reminders window that appears? I would love just three big buttons (like my old Psion)...
Snooze - for 5 minutes, multiple presses add 5 minutes, wraps round at 60;
silence - leaves the dialog (perhaps behind using your hack) but silences any sound;
dismiss - clears the reminder;
all easily navigable using just the d-pad.
Can it be done!?!?

Guys - the alarm icon in the tray isn't actually implemented by me, it's part of the OS, curiously (I don't understand why it's there, since it can never be accessed when reminders are on screen), but it's there. I could probably make it flash, but it would require timers and things that would eat system resources. I'll think about it, but I don't like chewing up resources on the system.
Reminders continue to behave in exactly the same fashion as normal - all I've done is prevented them from hogging the screen, so they can be viewed and acted upon at will rather than demanding immediate attention.
This idea is more of a "thought experiment" right now. I'm not quite sure how to implement it into a usable tool. It works nicely right now, if a reminder pops up you can still (and always) access my little dots, choose "Reminder" from the menu (not shown in the screenshots) and it'll neuter the reminder dialog.
I thought about remodelling the dialog myself actually, to make it more thumb friendly. I'm afraid I can't change the nature of the snooze dropdown combo (ie each click adds five minutes), but I can certainly change the size and position of the buttons to be more accessible. I think that's quite essential
I've got a couple of more ideas to put into this tool, and one idea for a very cool hack that I don't think has been done before to bring a bit of WM2005 to WM2003 :wink: However, I'm on holiday from Saturday for 2 weeks, so it may have to wait.
Damn you topless beach!
V

Hi vijay,
sorry for the late reply i was busy with my work. anyway yes, i would love that feature switch everything like winCE. for the notification, can't we just like use "fake-but-working" icons like u did on the reminder alarm icon? we can add icons afaik thru editing the registry and make it clickable to show those notifications, that way it won't look odd? but i don't know, do u think its possible? thanks in advance.
::adit

Guys, updated here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27722&highlight=
V

New! BETA!! Thumb Friendly Reminders and More!

Guys,
This program is BETA
It only works on the English WM2003 Rom, and QVGA only (for now)
Backup your system and give it a go, it can't do anything dangerous, worst case just soft reset. But backup just in case :wink:
Ok, as of writing WM2005 might be out on Magician, so I'm distracted.
But, this is a minor advancement of a proof of concept I put up here.
This version has a major improvement. Read and see...
On loading up, you will see some tiny dots in the top left. It can't be moved for now, and you can't change the image for now (you can use a resource hacker if you want)
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
In normal use it does nothing. If the dots are active they will show the current time and Battery level.
Clicking on the dots will bring up your New Bar - the bar that is normally at the bottom of your Today screen! This means that you can access the New menu or bluetooth or activesync etc from your normal screen. Click it again to go back to your Start Bar. This hack is particularly useful will my TodayToggle program.
Ok: clicking and holding on the dots will bring up a menu. There's only one active option - Reminders.
Don't you hate it when reminders pop up and block you doing anything else? You don't want to snooze it, you just want to go back to betaplayer etc? Click on the option "Reminders" and the current active reminder will be "ghosted" (it won't do anything until there's a reminder on screen)
The reminders will not now bother you. However, to bring the reminders back up, choose the "reminders" option from the menu again, and it will come back up! Note the little alarm icon in the New Bar? That shows that you've got outstanding reminders.
Finally: piece de resistance
Reminders eh? Why where all the buttons so small? You have to take your stylus out just to click "Dismiss"? Who designed this thing? :roll:
So:
There's a slight delay before the buttons are changed, but hopefully it makes sense. BTW - "All!" means dismiss all. I couldn't fit anything else in
So, whadya think?
This is beta. There's more to add to this program, but I hope it's useful.
Note: it's likely to have some minor CPU usage. If you don't want it, don't use it.
Please provide feedback!
HideStart
If you "lose" the dots, try reloading it. If that doesn't work, close it by going To Settings > System > Memory.
I don't know if it works with Wisbar etc. Try it and report!
V

Could you make it so the close button is not there ? (The cross on the top-right when its active)
You could then close by clicking on the 'dots' and selecting,.. say EXIT, or shutdown option.
Also, when closing down, maybe restoring the New menu ??
Will start to have a play.
Jim.....

I know the snooze button relates to the Snooze combo but, to me, the large buttons should be the All and Snooze, with the Dismiss being the small (or perhaps equal) size - better for hitting in the half light. The large ones should be at the bottom left and right for similar reasons (easier to hit).

nice, as always!!!
buzz

thanks for that

On my S100 with french rom it didn't work very well !
When i load hidestart i can see the time and battery indicators but the dots aren't there !
I've also tried a reminder and the buttons are not changed ! If your hack works like Mamaich hack for the phonedialer it doesn't work maybe because the title of the reminder window is different between roms ( "reminder" in the english rom but "rappel" in the french rom ).
It's just an idea ..

Switchcorp - good point, this is all English right now; I'll update the first post to indicate. If you send me the name of the "Reminder" window, and the exact text on Dismiss, Dismiss All, Snooze (button) and "Snooze:" text I'll try to update it, although probably not before my holiday
I don't understand why you can't see the dots. Did you try launching it again? If you "lose" it, you have to close it with Settings > System > Memory.
Are you using anything like Wisbar etc?
jimbo123 - when closing down it should restore the new menu to it's original state I hope. Please indicate if it doesn't.
I'm going to work on putting a "close" icon on the reminder itself, so instead of having to go to the Menu > Reminders option, there'll automatically be a "close" button to press and hide the reminders. But I got tired last night, so had to leave it!
mtbsoft - I understand about the buttons, and I'll happily reconfigure them, but remember that the All button is only shown if there's more than one reminder active, so you'll only have the Snooze and Dismiss buttons with <2 reminders. The reminder text box can't be made wider because the blue highlight is hardcoded to that width, so I don't have much space to play with
Buzz - get back to work :wink:

Translation :
"Reminder" window -> "Rappel"
"Dismiss" -> "Effacer"
"Dismiss All" -> "Effacer tout"
Snooze (button) -> "Répéter"
"Snooze:" -> "Répéter:" ( i suppose it's the time box ? )
I've tried again by redownloading hidestart ... i see the dots but after the "new bar" moves i've a bug on the bottow of my screen and hidestart is crashed !
I've soft reseted but i can't see the dots anymore ... it's very strange

Switchcorp - thanks for the info, I'll try to put it in.
I don't quite understand about the bug and the crash. Don't use it on your ROM for now, it can't do anything useful (I think the hiding startbar feature also uses English names, I don't have the code in front of me right now).
General:
Are you using anything like Wisbar?
This interface is only very temporary. The functionality will go into another program I'm writing, but I thought the Reminder button hack was useful so put it out now. The dots work well on my colour theme and the position is convenient....
Sorry it doesn't work Switch!
V

I've forgot to say that i don't use any soft like wisbar !
The only hack that i've done is the time under the date ( instead of the time only ).
Soft i use : Phonealarm, Alarm Today, Phone dashboard and PHM tray lauch and SPB Pocket plus.
Only those are active !

No problem vijay555 I like your work and if i can help to improve your app's i'll be happy !
Hidestart is a good companion of the microsoft voice command i think For me it is very usefull
I'll wait that it works with the french roms !
I've tried to desactivate all my today plugins but it doesn't change anything

I'm glad you find some of it useful at least!
Today plugins won't make any difference, i'm sure it's the way I find the windows using the English names... I'll have to find french rom for the emulator I think...
I've got a nice Today Plugin I'm making. Some will find it useful. But i've no time to release it right now :wink: Soon.
V

Guys, I've just noticed a bug on my version (I'm using a different version to the one released here). Can you try writing something using the soft keyboard, eg editing a schedule or something, for longer then 5 seconds.
Does it work correctly? On mine HideStart is stealing focus, ie stopping you writing after a couple of seconds. Feedback if possible please!
V

Hi vijay555,
I also, like full screen and am using your toggle Today program. the HideStart didn’t work in my JAM (Arabic Windows)
I would suggest auto hide for both Start Bar and new Bar after a few second
in today screen and when there is any activity like new message, missed call
or so, the Start Bar only will show up till you clear it then it goes back to hide
again. I think this will be very nice. I assigned Start Menu to one of the Hard
Button and would be nice to have both start Bar and New Bar to show up
when pressing this Hard button!!!
Do you mind spreading your programs in other forum and mention your
name and post???
Thanks and Appreciated,
ksasat

ksasat:
Feel free to distribute any of my stuff anywhere, although try to mention my name and get people to post problems on XDA forums (ie here!)
You should be aware that Hidestart seems to cause a minor problem for me; I use a different version to the one here, so maybe that's the problem, but it seems to take focus while you're typing a message or something after a few seconds. Now one else mentioned this, so as I said, this release is just an idea and if it works for you, great! Please post here and say it works fine. But if not, please indicate here so I can look into it when I get back.
TodayToggle (the latest one) toggle start bar and new bar at the same time using one program. HideStart is English only for now - you'll have to get me the same info supplied by Switchcorp (ie arabic names).
Take care!
V

Hi vijay555
All sorts of problems with this, I'm afraid.
I can launch it ok and the dots appear, I tap them and the new bar moves up to the top... and that's it - no more functionality. I'm using Pocket Plus and think the close/minimise function might be interferring with it. It is still running but I can't do anything with it.
Assuming I can get it working, I'd like to suggest a couple of other changes...
Make the time and battery display optional, I have them visible via other methods and would prefer to see 'Start'.
Make the application 'invisible' to task lists such as Pocket Plus, SmallMenuPlus and RunningPrograms - I think this is part of the problems I'm suffering, it is an application and not a process.
I'll keep trying different combinations to see if I can get it working (and identify why/how).
Congrat's and enjoy the honeymoon!

Congratulation and have fun.
Regards,
ksasat

vijay555 said:
Guys,
This program is BETA
It only works on the English WM2003 Rom, and QVGA only (for now)
Backup your system and give it a go, it can't do anything dangerous, worst case just soft reset. But backup just in case :wink:
Ok, as of writing WM2005 might be out on Magician, so I'm distracted.
But, this is a minor advancement of a proof of concept I put up here.
This version has a major improvement. Read and see...
On loading up, you will see some tiny dots in the top left. It can't be moved for now, and you can't change the image for now (you can use a resource hacker if you want)
In normal use it does nothing. If the dots are active they will show the current time and Battery level.
Clicking on the dots will bring up your New Bar - the bar that is normally at the bottom of your Today screen! This means that you can access the New menu or bluetooth or activesync etc from your normal screen. Click it again to go back to your Start Bar. This hack is particularly useful will my TodayToggle program.
Ok: clicking and holding on the dots will bring up a menu. There's only one active option - Reminders.
Don't you hate it when reminders pop up and block you doing anything else? You don't want to snooze it, you just want to go back to betaplayer etc? Click on the option "Reminders" and the current active reminder will be "ghosted" (it won't do anything until there's a reminder on screen)
The reminders will not now bother you. However, to bring the reminders back up, choose the "reminders" option from the menu again, and it will come back up! Note the little alarm icon in the New Bar? That shows that you've got outstanding reminders.
Finally: piece de resistance
Reminders eh? Why where all the buttons so small? You have to take your stylus out just to click "Dismiss"? Who designed this thing? :roll:
So:
There's a slight delay before the buttons are changed, but hopefully it makes sense. BTW - "All!" means dismiss all. I couldn't fit anything else in
So, whadya think?
This is beta. There's more to add to this program, but I hope it's useful.
Note: it's likely to have some minor CPU usage. If you don't want it, don't use it.
Please provide feedback!
HideStart
If you "lose" the dots, try reloading it. If that doesn't work, close it by going To Settings > System > Memory.
I don't know if it works with Wisbar etc. Try it and report!
V
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Vijay,
Any luck for WM 5.0 Users.
Cheers Taurus

You guys already have soft keys. But I'll see, I need to find out if I can hack the notification balloons for both for VJSihaya anyway.
V

Bad at waking up... any good alarm software?

Does anyone know of any good alarm software that's compatible with the universal? The built in alarm gives up the ghost before I'm even half way to waking. I'm currently using my old treo just for getting me up in the mornings.

I'm also on the lookout for a decent piece of Alarm software, but in the meantime, you can use this:
apReminder+ http://www.apsoftsystems.com/apreminderplus/index.htm
I haven't tried it with an "alarm", but for calendar notifications it does a good job (I use Calendar events for wake up calls..) It basically see's the notification and then plays whatever you tell it to, up to 100 times at whatever interval.. pretty effective wake up tool!
Its not quite WM5 aware, in that Landscape mode doesn't work.. you won't be able to click the Run button to save the settings, so just make sure its in portrait first. It also plays silly buggers with the screen if you start it off in landscape and then change to portrait, so bear that in mind. Other than that, its ace.

I have been using pTravelAlarm for some time, both on the Universal and my previous BA. It has muliple, selectably repeatable alarms and you can choice the sound or music to go with it. They have also issued a 'fixed' version for MM5 pending a final upgrade to it.
From burroak.on.ca

must_dash said:
I have been using pTravelAlarm for some time, both on the Universal and my previous BA.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've just been reading their FAQ and it confirms that if you password protect your device after a period powered down, then you can't see the snooze/dismiss screen of pTravelAlarm when it wakes you up in the morning. It's hidden behind the WM5 password screen.
How do users of pTravelAlarm get around this problem? It seems pretty fundamental to me. Pity though - a decent alarm clock app would be v.useful.

I'm using SPB time V. 1.1.
I was using it with my old PDA2K, and now using the same with Jasjar.
doing well so far.

does spb time bring your system out of standby. I have noticed that it does not. the alarm only rings when I switch on the backlight and bring the system out of standby.

thehustler said:
does spb time bring your system out of standby. I have noticed that it does not. the alarm only rings when I switch on the backlight and bring the system out of standby.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same with me, spb does not bring my system out of standby.
I used to manually set my device not to turn off device if not used for (--) minutes from the power setttings before going to sleep. This is the only way to get the alarm working and I think it's copatibility problem with WM5 as this version of the software was designed for WM2003 and still no up-grade is developed.
Regards,

Chronos for Pocket PC
I used this one it's very good can play MP3 and can select custom sound stored in memory or on the storage card.
http://www.eldos.com/chronos/index.php
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I'll vote seconds for Chronos... I've been using it for years now, and have never once had it miss an alarm. It's quite configurable and does it's one thing (alarms) very very well

! FIXED!!!
Hello All!
After 3 weeks of usage of my Qtek9000:
- all the Calendar notifications dissapeared (no text, no sound);
- the Alarms did have sound and vibra, but no text and Notification softbutton on the screen;
- alarms sounds could appear on their selfs on a random time and no Text on the screen.
I've searched the forum and it learned out that it is a Notification Que Issue.
It looks that upon a time, that que is being oversized or some mess (duplicates?) happened in it.
So, after that the "Notification Que" Issue appears.
HOW I FIXED IT:
1. Get the MemMaid \ PocketMechanic app;
2. find and delete duplicates, SoftReset (SR) (no success so far);
3. delete up to 200 CALENDAR.EXE entries, (SR) (no success so far);
4. delete up to 100TASK.EXE entries, (SR) (no success so far);
5. delete .\\notificatiopn.....script... entries, (SR) (no success so far);
6. delete all repllog.exe entries (2) and SR- IT WORKS AGAIN !!! ;
From this case - I dont know which of the manipulations actually brought my notifications back alive (is that really the repllog.exe entry?)
The possible longterm solution may be a 3-rd party App, which performs scheduled Notification Que clean up?
This is a very annoying and awfull BUG in the WM5 !!!
As I don't believe the fillowing ROM releases will fix this critical bug, the only way out - is developing the system app to perform a scheduled Notification Que clean up.
All, please, give your feed back: your experience, knowledge on the subject, etc.
Thank you.

For wake up, since more than 9 monthes...with Pocket Wakeup. Never late at work with my old Magician. now, Qtek 9000 sinc 1 month, same software, always on time...
Sorry, link in french http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=1299
For cleaning notification queue, I used to make it with CheckNotification from Scarybear software...
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=865
It was developped for 2003 but still efficient on 2005. I've tried Memmaid : good for everything but not the notification queue...
Bye from belgium :wink:

bonisalive said:
For wake up, since more than 9 monthes...with Pocket Wakeup. Never late at work with my old Magician. now, Qtek 9000 sinc 1 month, same software, always on time...
Sorry, link in french http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=1299
For cleaning notification queue, I used to make it with CheckNotification from Scarybear software...
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=865
It was developped for 2003 but still efficient on 2005. I've tried Memmaid : good for everything but not the notification queue...
Bye from belgium :wink:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thank you, bonisalive, will try CheckNotification from Scarybear next time my queue will be swamped up.

NO NOT DELETE NOTIFICATIONS
Hi!
I deleted the notifications dima_the_chief mentioned. After that the alarm and calendar events worked again. BUT:
1. Only the newly entered calendar events worked, because the notification entry of old ones were deleted from the notification queue.
2. Deleted repllog.exe notifications --> Activesync never connected again. I have read several posts on the forum on how to restore reppllog.exe notifications that make Activesync work. However, I didn't manage to do it. Activesync is lost.
3. Deleted SCRIPT..... notifications --> The led on my device did not signal me anymore if I had new messages or missed call. It was always green, no matter what I set in Sounds and Notifications.
I performed a hard reset So all of you, beware. If you must, delete calendar and alarm events - in this case you will miss all calendar and alarm notifications you already have. But in worst case they can be restored by touching all items in your calendar (click edit, change something, then save).
But DO NOT DELETE repllog.exe and SCRIPT notifications!!!
That is my experience, there may be a solution, but I haven't found any, which resulted in a hard reset
Cheers

PocketClock
http://www.megasoft2000.com/product.php?product=PocketClock&division=ppc

[APP]Klaxon 2.0 - Skinnable! - G-Sensor and Light Sensor Enabled Alarm Clock (10/21)

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Klaxon Home Page
If anyone experiences a bug with Klaxon, please post a description of the bug, steps to reproduce the problem, and attach the \Program Files\Klaxon\Klaxon.txt file to the post.
I have discontinued development on the original UI. This alarm program is designed for a phone that has a high resolution display and sensor capabilities.
TO DO:
Support for multiple languages.
Looking for more ideas to help improve this application!
Version 2.0.0.23
Removed the upper right default "ok" button from the OpenFileDialog. This prevents users from hitting Ok and closing the dialog when no file has been selected.
Reverted previous change to "dismiss" Windows alarms. This was causing issues on mine and other devices in that the Klaxon Alarm would never show up. In its place, Klaxon now prevents Windows Alarms from flashing, playing sound, or vibrating. The notification will still show up, but at least not it is completely benign.
You can no longer hit the Off or Snooze buttons while the phone's screen is powered off.
Klaxon will no longer start the OpenFileDialog in the Windows directory to prevent the device from hanging while all the files are listed.
Fixed Daylight Savings Bug!
I'm also looking for someone to design a skin or two for Klaxon, as well as a new icon! Please contact me if you are interested!
Version 2.0.0.21
Fixed crash bug that would happen when browsing a directory filled with many sound files.
Changed the Klaxon icon to something nicer looking. (Requires restart, Windows Mobile caches icons)
The OpenFileDialog now shows the appropriate size folder icon for your resolution.
Version 2.0.0.20
Added Volume control option for alarm under Settings.
Fixed intermittent bug where Samsung G-Sensor exception went uncaught, causing an exception.
Version 2.0.0.19
When integrating with Home Screen, Klaxon now cancels all Windows alarms upon firing an alarm.
Turning off the screen when snoozing is now an option in settings.
Klaxon will now ask for confirmation if you try to create or edit an alarm that is set as disabled. Some users were accidentally disabling the alarm and pressing OK, and the alarm would obviously not go off.
Version 2.0.0.17
Skinning support implemented, sample skins will be released soon.
Completely stripped out the old Klaxon UI design and added QVGA support for the new skinnable UI.
Fixed bugs related to the new feature that allows you to disable sensors while snoozed.
Download and extract the new TestSkin into \Program Files\Klaxon\TestSkin to use as a base to create your own skins. TestSkin looks exactly like the default Klaxon skin.
If you want to install the TestSkin, your directory structure should look like this image:
http://koushikdutta.blurryfox.com/KlaxonDirectoryStructure.jpg
Version 2.0.0.11
Added options to disable each sensor action while snoozed. For example, if your Flip action snoozes your phone, and you don't want to let it resnooze while snoozing (by just picking up your phone in some cases), check this box!
Added the ability to select a Windows Media Player playlist. You can find playlists in your \Playlists or \Internal Storage\Playlists folders. You can use Windows Media Player on your desktop to create and sync playlists.
When you snooze your device, the screen is automatically turned off to save power.
The default sound file is now \Windows\Alarm5.wav. It is not configurable in the UI yet, but you can configure it manually setting the \HKCU\Software\Klaxon\DefaultSoundFile value in the registry. (It does not exist by default, but Klaxon will use it if it is there.)
Version 2.0.0.9
Implemented About Box
Implemented the Snooze countdown on the alarm form.
On the Alarm List form, days that are not scheduled to start the alarm are now a darker color than they were before.
Fixed bug where deleting all the alarms would not remove the alarm from the TouchFlo Home Screen.
Fixed the sound looping bug once and for all! Found a not so well documented "loop" API hidden off the WindowsMediaPlayer.settings.setMode method.
Fixed bug where seconds showed up on the alarms in the list form and the alarm itself.
Version 2.0.0.6
Implemented new skin for the actual Alarm form.
Implemented 24 hour mode (on the reskinned version only)
Possibly fixed bug where wav files were not looping.
Fixed bug where editing alarms that took place on the noon or midnight hours were bugged.
Vibrations are now 150 and 300 ms instead of 500ms.
Windows Alarms are now schedule with no sound, so all the user may see is a notification (if Home Screen integration is enabled)
Fixed bug where One Time alarms did not show up on the Home Screen.
Version 2.0.0.5
If you have a 480x640+ screen, you will see the new UI. It's pretty. Still have to skin the alarm form, but besides that, it is done.
Possibly fixed bug where Klaxon would stay resident in memory.
The number controls are now gesture based: you can flick them and they will scroll through their range quite rapidly!
You can now preview the alarm using the play button. (Only available in the new UI)
Using Klaxon is pretty straightforward; it's more or less like the standard Clocks and Alarms application.
You can download Klaxon from my website.

thanks will try this.

Version 2.0.0.19
When integrating with Home Screen, Klaxon now cancels all Windows alarms upon firing an alarm.
Turning off the screen when snoozing is now an option in settings.
Klaxon will now ask for confirmation if you try to create or edit an alarm that is set as disabled. Some users were accidentally disabling the alarm and pressing OK, and the alarm would obviously not go off.

time issue
this works perfect on my phone but for some reason it's 1 hour off!!! I have to set the alarm at 2pm for example for it to ring at 3pm!
is there a way to fix this?

salahnajm said:
this works perfect on my phone but for some reason it's 1 hour off!!! I have to set the alarm at 2pm for example for it to ring at 3pm!
is there a way to fix this?
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Are you using 24 hour mode?

salahnajm said:
this works perfect on my phone but for some reason it's 1 hour off!!! I have to set the alarm at 2pm for example for it to ring at 3pm!
is there a way to fix this?
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Try installing this CAB- it fixes windows mobile DST problems.

Dude! that was a very quick answer! I'm trying right now....
I installed the cab file and did a soft reset, still did not work... I'm using a 12hr mode.
I have a tmobile wing and I live in -5GMT time zone (i dont know if this info is useful)

salahnajm said:
Dude! that was a very quick answer! I'm trying right now....
I installed the cab file and did a soft reset, still did not work... I'm using a 12hr mode.
I have a tmobile wing and I live in -5GMT time zone (i dont know if this info is useful)
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That's very useful information! I'll set my time zone to this and begin my own testing.
Edit: Are you GMT -5 Eastern US or GMT-5 Indiana (USA)?

Koush said:
That's very useful information! I'll set my time zone to this and begin my own testing.
Edit: Are you GMT -5 Eastern US or GMT-5 Indiana (USA)?
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Indiana (USA)

salahnajm said:
Indiana (USA)
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Alright, I've reproduced the problem with the setup you provided-- it definitely seems to be a daylight savings time bug. I'm working on the fix now. Check back in an hour or two (or just check your AppToDate).

Version 2.0.0.20
Added Volume control option for alarm under Settings.
Fixed intermittent bug where Samsung G-Sensor exception went uncaught, causing an exception.

new version
sorry to ask, but on ur website there's only ver .19 (not.20) and was the 1hr difference fixed in the newest version?...
Thanks

I didn't post about it on my site, just redownload the link (which stays up to date) or use AppToDate.
I haven't figured out the 1 hour issue. Can you try the following:
Schedule an alarm on your phone for 3 minutes later, and then turn the screen off with the power button. After 5 minutes, if the alarm does not turn on, turn the phone screen back on. Does the alarm immediately fire?

Version 2.0.0.21
Fixed crash bug that would happen when browsing a directory filled with many sound files.
Changed the Klaxon icon to something nicer looking. (Requires restart, Windows Mobile caches icons)
The OpenFileDialog now shows the appropriate size folder icon for your resolution.

Koush said:
TO DO:
Looking for more ideas to help improve this application!
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Hi, Koush.
One suggestion, if you don't mind.
When you try to pick up an alarm melody for the first time, it takes too much time before you see a file browser window. The reason - Klaxon opens \Windows folder where, as we all know, there are too many files. The owner of low performance device may think that PDA has hung.
I think the default folder should not be \Windows.
Don't know any user who stores favorite melodies in this folder.

Version 2.0.0.23
Removed the upper right default "ok" button from the OpenFileDialog. This prevents users from hitting Ok and closing the dialog when no file has been selected.
Reverted previous change to "dismiss" Windows alarms. This was causing issues on mine and other devices in that the Klaxon Alarm would never show up. In its place, Klaxon now prevents Windows Alarms from flashing, playing sound, or vibrating. The notification will still show up, but at least not it is completely benign.
You can no longer hit the Off or Snooze buttons while the phone's screen is powered off.
Klaxon will no longer start the OpenFileDialog in the Windows directory to prevent the device from hanging while all the files are listed.
Fixed Daylight Savings Bug!
I'm also looking for someone to design a skin or two for Klaxon, as well as a new icon! Please contact me if you are interested!
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/10/looking-for-someone-to-design-new-skin.html

random
I really like your app. I have a feature request. Is it possible to create a random alarm. For example I choose a map with songs and Klaxon randomly plays one at a alarm

Dr. MaXX said:
Hi, Koush.
One suggestion, if you don't mind.
When you try to pick up an alarm melody for the first time, it takes too much time before you see a file browser window. The reason - Klaxon opens \Windows folder where, as we all know, there are too many files. The owner of low performance device may think that PDA has hung.
I think the default folder should not be \Windows.
Don't know any user who stores favorite melodies in this folder.
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Yup, fixed in versions 2.0.0.22+!

Can't add alarms
Great Job!
I've a problem though. I add an alarm on Klaxon and it never shows up on the alarm list (in Klaxon itself as well). Press ok on alarm form brings me back to an empty list. Looking into Klaxon.txt file shows 0 alarms added.
I have a Kaiser with Hyperdragon III ROM. Is Klaxon ONLY for devices with G-Sensor, or if I turn off G-Sensor options (which I did) I'd be able to use it as well?? BTW, I'm using Manilla 2D. Does the TouchFlo3D integration work on TF2D as well? I tried turning it off but still can't add alarms...
I can add Windows Alarms and remove them without problems...
Thanks!!
shmilson

I have a problem with this software.. When I Shake the phone the alarm turn off rigth, but later windows popups a notification for this alarn, then I need to take the phone, tunr on it, and dismiss the notification.
Turn off the alarm shaking the phone is great, but not than great if I need to turn on the phone one minute later to do the work that should be made shaking the phone.
thank you for this software.
Ariel.

[App][10-Jul-09] G-Trigger v0.9.2 beta, G-Sensor based ^shake^ detector

Hi All,
Updates for G-Trigger (v0.9.0+ beta):
First is, you can shake your device to change wallpaper of Today/Manila/S2U2, second is, save a screenshot and third to show/hide SIP (As suggested by tevike)
I have lowered the threshold value up to 5 for front-back action as some people find it very hard to shake. Although lower value less than 10 does not work on my device. If you find hard to shake try setting threshold value for front-back lesser than 10 and uncheck option "Discard accidental shakes".
I have added priorities to profiles in this version. It is useful in combination with Auto-Trigger profile option. If you have one or more profile which satisfies auto-trigger option for current device state, then higher priority profile will be selected to trigger an action.
This version 0.9.0 beta seems to be pretty stable. Hope it works fine for all.
For updated features from v0.8.0 onwards look here.
G-Trigger website: http://g-trigger.kneps.com
Thanks,
Krupal Desai
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G-Trigger v0.9.2 beta [10-Jul-2009]
By Krupal Desai
Video: See it in action...
G-Trigger is a G-Sensor based ^shake^ detector application. It allows to trigger a predefined action on shaking your mobile phone (built-in with G-Sensor) in particular direction. Currently it is in development phase, so please bare the bugs.
Supported shaking directions:
Horizontally
Left to right
Right to left
Vertically
Top to bottom
Bottom to top
Front & Back
Front to back
Back to front
It will trigger the specified action when phone is forcibly moved from left to right or moved as above mentioned directions. Also you can assign different actions with keeping device face up and shaking device in any of the above action or keeping device face down and shaking device in any of the above action.
Currently supported actions:
Close/Minimize active window
Dial a number
Answer/Reject incoming call
Launch Program
Ringer Loud/Vibrate/Silent
Screen orientation
Send Keys*
Task Switch
Turn On/Off screen
WiFi/Bluetooth/Phone radio - On/Off/Toggle
Media Controls#
Volume Control
Simulate Power Button - Power Off/Power On/Long Press Power Button
Open control panel settings
Activate profile
Save Screenshot (BMP/JPG/PNG/GIF at predefined location) *new
Change Wallpaper (Today Screen, Manila Home & S2U2) *new
Show/Hide/Toggle On-Screen Keyboard (SIP) *new
*Please refer to readme.txt for sending special keys.
#Currently supported media players are: Windows Media Player, S2P, Microfi Nitrogen, Core Player, TCPMP, Pocket Player, Pocket Music and Manila (TF3D) Music Tab.
G-TriggerService will be suspended till the program specified in exceptions list is active.
Known Facts:
OSD is displayed with some delay after event is occurred
Sometimes shake actions are not triggered when device is busy processing
Action Media Control "Stop" does not work for all players
Media controls for "Pocket Player" works till it's window is active or minimized (not working when in notification mode)
Further development:
Display configured actions as OSD when device is lightly shaked
Add more actions like "Navigate Manila Page", "Open Quick Launch" etc on shaking
It is developed for HTC Touch Diamond. I have not tested it on any other device. Let me know if you try it on other device.
NOTE: Although running this application does not seem to make any damage, I take no responsibility for any kind of damage caused to the device or data due to this application.
PS: Credits to Koushik Dutta for sharing G-Sensor managed code for Diamond. Many thanks to Ageye for sharing updated G-Sensor code for Samsung Omnia (here).
Usage:
Transfer .cab file to any location in device.
Run the .cab file and install application to device storage.
Run the “G-Trigger” shortcut from programs.
Click “New” button on “Action” tab.
Enable the check boxes for the actions you want to activate.
Assign any action by clicking “…” button on the right side of action text box.
Click “Save” button on edit profile page, again click “Save” button on main page.
Click “Start” button to start the service.
Shake your phone and enjoy!
How to shake the phone?
Hold the mobile phone facing yourself and perform following:
Left to Right:
Quickly move the phone from current position towards right hand side for about 6 inches (Increase speed during motion from slow to fast and suddenly stop at the end to feel the shock)
Top to Bottom:
Quickly move the phone from current position to downwards for about 6 inches (Increase speed during motion from slow to fast and suddenly stop at the end to feel the shock)
Front to Back:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Hold the phone facing yourself and near to you.
Quickly move the phone from current position to far away from you for about 6 inches (Increase speed during motion from slow to fast and suddenly stop at the end to feel the shock)
Back to Front:
Hold the phone facing yourself and little far from you.
Quickly move the phone from current position to nearer to you for about 6 inches from the last position (Increase speed during motion from slow to fast and suddenly stop at the end to feel the shock)
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Quick guide to Auto Trigger:
If you want G-Trigger to behave differently for different active program, it's now possible. For example, you want left to right for playing next track, right to left for playing previous track, only if Windows Media Player is active then create a new profile, assign left to right for next track, right to left for previous track and check "Auto Trigger" with program name as wmplayer.exe. Bingo!!! Its done.
How G-Trigger works:
G-TriggerService.exe application runs all the time and polls the G-Sensor to get current position of the device. It polls G-Sensor for about 10 times a second and observes the positions of the device. It keeps track of last 5 positions and scans all the 5 positions and checks if any shake is detected. If shake is detected it looks for action and triggers an action.
FAQ:
1. Does polling of G-Sensor all the time damages it?
-It does not seems to damage sensor by polling but I don’t take any responsibility in a case. Use it at your own risk!
2. Does G-TriggerService impacts my device’s battery power?
-Yes! It runs all the time as soon as your device is awake and it keeps on polling the G-Sensor, so it will consume some battery power. Although, I am running it all the time since I developed, I don’t see any legible battery consumption. Though you need to benchmark if you want to see exact battery consumption.
3.How much memory does G-TriggerService eats?
-G-TriggerService takes around 500KB when OSD is off and takes around 1MB if OSD is on.
Screenshots:
Requirements:
HTC Touch Diamond (Not tested on any other device)
WM6.1/WM6.5/WM6.5.1
.Net Compact Framework v3.5
Supported devices as per user reviews:
HTC Touch Diamond
HTC Touch HD
HTC Touch Pro
Samsung Omnia (i900/i910)
Shake it at your own risk.
Bugs / Suggestions / Ideas are invited.
Email: [email protected]
Visit: http://g-trigger.kneps.com
I accept donation:
Click here to donate.
Donations Received:
2 USD chizzy58
10 USD 1800PocketPC.com
5 USD Jiri Kucera
3 USD Marek Pilarcik
5 USD 1800PocketPC.com
2 USD Daniel Pingen
10 USD mikeck (Mike Kanel)
3.33 USD rev0l
5 USD Jaz (Jasen Nannini)
10 USD Selby Stephen
Thanks a lot
AppToDate download count:

G-Trigger Change Log
G-Trigger v0.9.2 beta [10-Jul-2009]
Updated: Change Wallpaper Action with next/previous/random support
Fixed: Browsing for application files bug for "Launch Program" action
G-Trigger v0.9.1 beta [10-Jul-2009]
Fixed: Null reference bug on fresh installation
G-Trigger v0.9.0 beta [02-Jul-2009]
Added: Actions
Save Screenshot (BMP/JPG/PNG/GIF at predefined location)
Change Wallpaper (Today Screen, Manila Home & S2U2)
Show/Hide/Toggle On-Screen Keyboard (SIP)
Added: Added option to enable/disable debug logs
Added: Lower threshold value up to 5 for front-back actions
Added: Profile priority setting for auto-trigger profile option
Added: Included new samsung SDK for G-Sensor in setup
Fixed: Unable to detect screen is off on certain devices
Fixed: Auto Start Service on device boot up issue (introduced in 0.8.0)
Fixed: Few minor bugs
G-Trigger v0.8.1 beta [15-Jun-2009]
Fixed: Repeated debug logging like "There is something wrong with g-sensor! Lets refresh the sensor!"
G-Trigger v0.8.0 beta [14-Jun-2009]
Added: Different actions for shaking device when FaceDown and shaking device when FaceUp
Added: New user interface for organizing profiles with ease
Added: Auto-trigger profile option “Manila music is playing”
Added: Import/Export settings and/or profiles
Fixed: Samsung Omnia G-Sensor code to sort out issue of service crash after device is awake
Fixed: Auto-resize configuration utility dependent on resolution
Fixed: Faster editing of shake actions after opening edit profile once
Fixed: Modification to profile actions no more required to hit save button to make it active
Updated: Slight modification to shake algorithm to make front-back action more sensitive
Updated: new registry location ‘HKCU\Software\Kneps\G-Trigger’ (you will require to delete older location ‘HKCU\Software\G-Trigger’ manually, I apologize for this).
G-Trigger v0.7.1 beta [16-May-2009]
Added: Option to Discard Accidental Shakes (Uncheck this option if you feel very hard to shake)
G-Trigger v0.7.0 beta [10-May-2009]
Added: Actions
Open control panel settings
Activate profile
Added: Support for *.mscr file for 'Launch program' browsing
Added: Auto trigger profile when specified program is active
Added: Editing profile name
Fixed: Few minor bugs
G-Trigger v0.6.0 beta [26-Apr-2009]
Added: Actions
Bluetooth/Phone Radio - On/Off/Toggle
Simulate Power Button - Power On/Power Button Long Press
Updated: Optimized the shake detection algorithm
Added: Profiles - Quick change for the preset actions
Fixed: Error when comma entered in Program Launch arguments
Fixed: Few other minor bugs
G-Trigger v0.5.1 beta [13-Apr-2009]
Bug Fixed: Service start on device startup for all languages.
G-Trigger v0.5.0 beta [12-Apr-2009]
Added: Actions
Volume Control
Simulate Power Button
Added: Setting for vibrate LED number
Fixed: Delayed service start on device reboot
Fixed: Restart service when device is awake (for Samsung Omnia)
G-Trigger v0.4.0 beta [05-Apr-2009]
Added: Action for Media Control (Many more players)
Added: Conditional trigger action
Added: Disable Action Exceptions
Added: Option to disable actions when screen is off
Added: Option to suspend service during phone call
Added: AppToDate Support
Fixed few bugs
G-Trigger v0.3.2 beta [02-Apr-2009]
Bug fix: Omnia service crash on sleep
Added: Actions
Screen Off (With device lock)
Media Controls (Windows Media & Manila Music Tab)
Added: AppToDate Support
G-Trigger v0.3.1 beta [31-Mar-2009]
Service startup bug fixed
Added: Actions
WiFi On/Off/Toggle
Media Controls (Not yet implemented completely)
G-Trigger v0.3.0 beta [30-Mar-2009]
Added: Feedback settings (Vibrate, play sound & OSD)
Added: Actions
Task switch
Screen orientation
Ringer profile (Silent-Vibrate-Loud)
Fixed few bugs
G-Trigger v0.2.0 beta [23-Mar-2009]
Added: Exceptions list (Service will be suspended till application specified in exceptions list is active)
Added: Actions
Dial a number
Answer/Reject incoming call
Launch Program
Turn ON/OFF screen
Send Keys
Close/Minimize active window
Added: Errors will be logged to "G-Trigger\Log"
Updated: Shake algorithm optimization
G-Trigger v0.1.0 beta [18-Mar-2009]
First release

This will be a useful application in my daily life.
Thanks!

Holy ****! Sweet! Now I don't need programmable buttons like the tilt anymore

thx,preety usefull app, i will try it

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Not got the time to test this right now, but can this app answer/end calls with a shake? or task switch? or end a running program? if not, then is it a possibility for future releases?

In pipeline
uniqueboy said:
Not got the time to test this right now, but can this app answer/end calls with a shake? or task switch? or end a running program? if not, then is it a possibility for future releases?
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Currently not supported. But task switch & close foreground app are in pipeline.. though.. it will take some time . Thanks for idea about answer/end calls.

Working on HTC Touch HD!!

This will be such a great app. Does it auto start with windows??

wez89 said:
This will be such a great app. Does it auto start with windows??
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Yes, there is option to auto start on "Advanced" tab. Let me know if you find any issue.

Takie said:
Working on HTC Touch HD!!
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Great!! Update me for device dependent flaws..

krups said:
Yes, there is option to auto start on "Advanced" tab. Let me know if you find any issue.
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Great !! i will test now and report any bugs

Ok just tested a few programs, found windows media player doesnt respond to any shakes, no message appears to come up so it registers the shake and program but fails to open winsows media player, anybody else have the same issue??
EDIT: got media player working! dont select the windows media player option from program files, instead goto the windows folder and select 'wmplayer.exe'

Sorry about triple posting lol
I have also found in order to register a 'left to right' shake you have to start by shaking your phone to the right. Start by shaking your phone to the left for a 'Right to left' shake. If i shake my phone 'right to left' once, it opens the 'left to right' application. Hope this is clear.
'My documents' doesnt work with 'left to right' shake from what i have tried
Great app any way im sure once bugs are fixed this will be great

Did anyone try this during car use? I mean, there is some g-force involved, in driving... steer, brake, accelerate, bumps...

teorouge said:
Did anyone try this during car use? I mean, there is some g-force involved, in driving... steer, brake, accelerate, bumps...
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I havnt tried it during driving but im sure braking, steering and accelerating will have no effect although a big and i mean a big bump or bang may just shake the device abit
You need a quick, hard shake for it to register as a shake

wez89 said:
I havnt tried it during driving but im sure braking, steering and accelerating will have no effect although a big and i mean a big bump or bang may just shake the device abit
You need a quick, hard shake for it to register as a shake
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G-forces aren't significant unless you're at Canada's Wonderland on the Bumper Cars ride.....
Nifty Program, Great Job! ...

Really a great program! Works like a charm.
One proposal: An exception list for some programs are running would be good (some needs the shake like Shake'n'save) - but especially S2U2 is a problem - because when device is locked with S2U2 - the shake still works - and opens the programs - with some indifferences with S2U2.
Keep up this real good work
Pierre

band27 said:
G-forces aren't significant unless you're at Canada's Wonderland on the Bumper Cars ride.....
Nifty Program, Great Job! ...
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teorouge said:
Did anyone try this during car use? I mean, there is some g-force involved, in driving... steer, brake, accelerate, bumps...
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wez89 said:
I havnt tried it during driving but im sure braking, steering and accelerating will have no effect although a big and i mean a big bump or bang may just shake the device abit
You need a quick, hard shake for it to register as a shake
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It requires hard shake to detect an event so I don't think it gets an effect of bumps . Although you can increase threshold to make it even harder.

PierreDiamond said:
Really a great program! Works like a charm.
One proposal: An exception list for some programs are running would be good (some needs the shake like Shake'n'save) - but especially S2U2 is a problem - because when device is locked with S2U2 - the shake still works - and opens the programs - with some indifferences with S2U2.
Keep up this real good work
Pierre
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Yes I have observed this issue. I am working on exceptions thing, so it could be overridden when S2U2 is in foreground. Will have to wait for some time..