Upgrading the HDD - Shift General

With all of the software hacking in progress I was wondering if anyone has plans to upgrade the internal HDD of the Shift.
I presume there are may other Shift users which think that with an internal HDD of only 40GB, of which is even less usable, the potential is limited.
It would be great, but costly, to upgrade to a 64GB SSD but even a "normal" 120GB hdd such as in the OQO E2 would be a great upgrade.
That way we could put music, movies and more on it without kicking the limits of the disk every time. (Windows needs a lot of empty GB's to properly function so don't even think about filling it to the brim with whatever you think of )
Did someone already make the jump?
Or are there any tips/tricks for doing so?
I suppose I could just get a normal laptop hdd of 2.5" (or maybe 1.8") and replace the internal one.

Tr1gg3R said:
With all of the software hacking in progress I was wondering if anyone has plans to upgrade the internal HDD of the Shift.
I presume there are may other Shift users which think that with an internal HDD of only 40GB, of which is even less usable, the potential is limited.
It would be great, but costly, to upgrade to a 64GB SSD but even a "normal" 120GB hdd such as in the OQO E2 would be a great upgrade.
That way we could put music, movies and more on it without kicking the limits of the disk every time. (Windows needs a lot of empty GB's to properly function so don't even think about filling it to the brim with whatever you think of )
Did someone already make the jump?
Or are there any tips/tricks for doing so?
I suppose I could just get a normal laptop hdd of 2.5" (or maybe 1.8") and replace the internal one.
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I thought it was an 1.8" and yes, i THINK you can replace it.
I don't know the exact size of it and if it fits.

I just checked with my Shift and the disk that is factory installed is a: Toshiba MK4009GAL
The Toshiba MK4009GAL is a 1.8" HDD witjh an ATA100 interface.
Specifications:
Code:
MK4009GAL
Features
Part number HDD1682
Formatted capacity 40,000 MByte
Form factor 1.8 inch
# Interface type 1.8'' ATA (LIF)
# Supported interface standards ATA-3
# ATA-4
# ATA-5
# ATA-6
# Head/actuator technology "Ramp-Load" Technology
# GMR read head
# PMR write head
Shock detection Shock sensor circuit
S.M.A.R.T. The SMART command set is supported.
More details
I think it'll go hunting for a new 1.8" ATA100 HDD.
That is, as soon as I find a way to open the case without voiding my warranty

For the UK ppl here
http://computers.pricegrabber.co.uk/hard-drives/m/44560298/
Toshiba MK1011GAH - Hard drive - 100 GB - internal - 1.8'' - ATA-100 - 4200 rpm - buffer: 8 MB
EDIT:
I saw you are Dutch too, look at this site:
http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=7&cat2=222&cat3=0&tgid=130&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Harddisks&Level2=IDE&Level3=1%2C8+inch&
Tr1gg3R said:
I just checked with my Shift and the disk that is factory installed is a: Toshiba MK4009GAL
The Toshiba MK4009GAL is a 1.8" HDD witjh an ATA100 interface.
Specifications:
Code:
MK4009GAL
Features
Part number HDD1682
Formatted capacity 40,000 MByte
Form factor 1.8 inch
# Interface type 1.8'' ATA (LIF)
# Supported interface standards ATA-3
# ATA-4
# ATA-5
# ATA-6
# Head/actuator technology "Ramp-Load" Technology
# GMR read head
# PMR write head
Shock detection Shock sensor circuit
S.M.A.R.T. The SMART command set is supported.
More details
I think it'll go hunting for a new 1.8" ATA100 HDD.
That is, as soon as I find a way to open the case without voiding my warranty
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Oh sweet, a 100GB 1.8Inch ATA100 disk.
The price is quite acceptable too, however it would be nice to find a 120GB model
Now I just need to break open my Shift......
Edit: Centralpoint.nl seems to be selling the Toshiba MK1011GAH too. (135Euro)

That is good to know
though €180,- is not cheap...
What about SDD?

Pfeffa-rah said:
That is good to know
though €180,- is not cheap...
What about SDD?
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That's more expensive for less space
Guess we'll have to wait untill it becomes cheaper
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Or we could use 64GB SD card

well i would look at the specifications of those disks ( one is GAL connector and the other is GAH connector)
and also the hight of the drive is diffrent so might not even if you figure out the connector isue it might not fit

Have you conssidered a Western Digital Passport usb powered slim sleek and up to 250GB i have one for use with my asus eee and i love it..
By the way check out
http://forum.eeeuser.com/
they have released a lot of great software for there 7" device that would be great for the shift like a hot key command thing for moving dialouge boxes that dont fit on the screen see below and also a resoloution hack to upscale it to 1280*1024 despite native resoloution only being 800*400 (this is driver based but a similar driver may be used for the shift) would be worth looking into and maybe sharing on here.. By the way i did not create this programe but have used on my eee i dont have a shift but as it runs vista it should work fine this is the thing for moving dialougue boxes enjoy..

But how safe is it to take the proper screwdriver and open the Shift?
Will it be as simple like removing the bottom plate, removing the disk, inserting a new one and putting back the bottom plate?
Have anyone actually seen disassemble instructions/pictures or whatsoever?

JayRayMee.NL said:
But how safe is it to take the proper screwdriver and open the Shift?
Will it be as simple like removing the bottom plate, removing the disk, inserting a new one and putting back the bottom plate?
Have anyone actually seen disassemble instructions/pictures or whatsoever?
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Just do a search on this forum and you will find some pictures of the unit disassembled. There you can see how much effort it takes....

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
naked shift.

pitt1983 said:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
naked shift.
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nice pics. u can see the hd real good.

Pawel062 said:
nice pics. u can see the hd real good.
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i think that this guy is a very crazy guy! unmount like that the shift. but in the pics you can see hdd, ram. how strange is hardware in that shift.
i think that the priority is to upgrade the ram. 1 only gb is very poor.. also hdd is little but the ram...
news about the production of 2gb ram?

Open Htc Shift
Hello.
Someone can help me and to indicate myself since I can extract the keyboard of the htc shift.
I want to change the hard disk and there is a central screw to which I do not have access.
Thank you very much.

fgarciav said:
Hello.
Someone can help me and to indicate myself since I can extract the keyboard of the htc shift.
I want to change the hard disk and there is a central screw to which I do not have access.
Thank you very much.
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ehm you are disassembling the shift?

In order to reach two screws, it seems that you need to remove the two rubber feet covering them. How well will that go without damaging stuff and more important: will you be able to put them back on in a way that they will stay there?

Tr1gg3R said:
Edit: Centralpoint.nl seems to be selling the Toshiba MK1011GAH too. (135Euro)
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This one is 8mm in height.
The original disk in the Shift is 5mm.
Now the question is: will this 0.3mm difference matter or will it just not fit?

If anyone is interested in the translation of that website, let me know.

The difference between 5 and 8 mm is 3 mm, not 0,3 mm. And inside the Shift 3 mm difference is a lot!! I'm affraid this will definitely not fit...

Related

Shift dissasembly and SSD installation.

I am having thoughts of installing a ssd drive inside htc shift. Is this possible? Has anybody tried it or dissasembly htc shift?
Thanks,
Lefteris
i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.
That's a lot of ifs...
And if you look in Vista at the Experience index, you can see that the HD is fast enough
Okay, SSD is always a lot faster.
I forgot the big if,
IF you can afford one the proper size
If someone has very large juevos they could crack their shift open and take some pictures!!!
doh, daniel u should of done that before replacing it!!!!!
There are internal pics of the Shift on the FCC site.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...omFrame=N&application_id=542917&fcc_id='NM8CL'
good to know we can upgrade the harddrive very easily then
and the ram oh goody 2 gig chip
Those are very easy upgrades, does anyone know the part #s for the existing items?
We need a ghost of a prestine box, make sure one of the senior guys when they get their box to ghost is right away.
Well one thing for sure an extra gigabyte of ram would help.
But is does seems we need a very specific module to replace the RAM.
Any ideas where to buy such a module?
According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html
rpawly said:
According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html
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I had some trouble opening the link but now it seems to work.
The problems I see is that Qimonda is a producer of RAM chips, not a retailer/seller of modules.
And second they only list 1GB sets.
Third, where can we get our paws on a 2GB module?
Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/
rpawly said:
Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/
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Can you tell me where you found that 2GB DDR2 MicroDimm?
Ok that is a lot about RAM but how about a SSD?
I believe the BIOS should support 2 gigs. I asked the folks at HTC about this and they didn't indicate any issues beyond the challenge of opening the device and the fact that it does void the warranty.
http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473;c:36376;r:prisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.
premier69 said:
http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473%3bc:36376%3brrisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.
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The MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF1 is an 8mm drive (height), so no, it won't fit. You want the MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 which is 5mm in height.
Google told me that
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=208242&page=303&highlight=2510p
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomy B.
I did some research and find out that there is two versions of Mtron Mobi 3000 1.8" 32GB with ZIF.
Does anyone know is there any difference between MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF1 and MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2, except thickness (first one is 8 mm, second 5 mm) and price.
Is there some reason for MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2 to be cheap?
If someone can recommend any 2.5" SSD with 44-pin IDE or 1.8" with ZIF just let me know. 32 GB is just enough. I had Samsung 1.8" with 50-pin IDE, but it was 16 GB (around 15GB actually), so 50-pin IDE will work too.
The only difference betweem the ZIF1 and ZIF2 is the height. The ZIF2 (5mm) is being produced for regular orders by Mtron, so you will find this easily available (http://rocketdisk.com/index.php?cPath=15) but the ZIF1 (8mm) is only being produced for OEMs and other special situations.
There is no reason for it to be so cheap, other than good value
The performance is really awesome & as you have probably seen on notebookreview.com there are lots of happy customers!! ---- end quote
rpawly said:
i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.
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背面有8颗螺丝,键盘下面有一颗螺丝 ,一共9颗 在电池接口处出力压下,键盘会跳出来,看我的拆机图http://picasaweb.google.com/netcnn/Netck
btw: I buyed yesterday a MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 within Ebay. We will see how fast it is. But I think this is the fastest ATA-7 1,8" HDD on Market. Mtron announced a 64 and 128GB Version as well a few months ago, but I never see anything like this.. :-(

Big News ! Shift get naked ! RAM upgrade will be possible and SSD should be fine!

I have come across this link, someone has open up Shift completely, it's in chinese so i will summarize his finding, it seems like there is hope on SSD upgrade, space is enough, 1.8 inch hard drive size. RAM upgrade seems to be possible until the 2G ram is in production. He mentions the sliding mechanism can be improve if open up the Shift, but he didn't mention how.
Let me know if you want more info about that post, and go ahead and check out the photo at this link :
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
it could be possible to desolder the ram chips and replace them with higher capacity ones. I believe that the shift can take 2gb of ram without any other modifications. The problem is finding those chips and a service center able to perform such tasks.
lol where is olipro..... he loves to do these kinds of things
I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.
wu5262 said:
I have come across this link, someone has open up Shift completely, it's in chinese so i will summarize his finding, it seems like there is hope on SSD upgrade, space is enough, 1.8 inch hard drive size. RAM upgrade seems not possible seems it uses a strange pin. He mentions the sliding mechanism can be improve if open up the Shift, but he didn't mention how.
Let me know if you want more info about that post, and go ahead and check out the photo at this link :
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
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Wu5262 dont suppose he acknowledges that indeed there is a GPS aerial in place?
After i opened up my shift i can confirm the GPS antenna is there !!
pusler said:
After i opened up my shift i can confirm the GPS antenna is there !!
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Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat! oh but hold on which market was your shift for?
It's for Europe !!
pusler said:
I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.
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I had a look into this and seems like you are right, i have now correct the post.
Thanks
pusler said:
I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.
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Can't wait for 2 GB ram on this device bet it would make a good bit of difference but I think the biggest difference would be seen with an SSD.
From the hard drive model in the picture here is the link to the drive:
http://www.toshibastorage.com/main....inchHardDiskDrives/MK4009GAL/MK4009GALSupport
It does confirm it is a 40gb 5mm high drive with a 90mm side connector and yes it looks like for toshiba at least 40gb is the biggest for 5mm height. Does anyone know of an SSD that is the right size and connector?
PDF of the drive specs
http://www.toshibastorage.com/techdocs/MK4009GALTechnicalNotes-RevA.pdf
Do you know If gps will be accesible from vista side? I ve fallen in love with sygic pc version. Winmo version is nice but we know we havent 3d drivers for ati hardware. Pc version is running very smoothly in vista. It looks a video game...........
So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....
landshark said:
So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....
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Now that looks nice can't see anywhere who sell it though
landshark said:
So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....
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Maybe the reason is the connector doesn't fit?
I don't know for sure, but I thought I heard that the Shift has a special connector..
danielherrero said:
Do you know If gps will be accesible from vista side? I ve fallen in love with sygic pc version. Winmo version is nice but we know we havent 3d drivers for ati hardware. Pc version is running very smoothly in vista. It looks a video game...........
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When the guys get the GPS to work, it SHOULD be possible to share it through the USB tool connection so that VISTA can use it.
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah
HDD
The Dell Tablet uses a ribbon type drive. Their is a diffrent connector but anyone is willing to adventure I bet you can take the hard drive side of the ribbon cable off and swap them.
sandrobber said:
The Dell Tablet uses a ribbon type drive. Their is a diffrent connector but anyone is willing to adventure I bet you can take the hard drive side of the ribbon cable off and swap them.
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That's what I've done with the 64GB SSD from my Dell XT Tablet.
See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403626
here is the type of the drive and the specification.
Interesting News
Has anyone approached HTC about creating an official RAM upgrade that does not void warranty?
Could maybe HTC authorize certain companies in different regions of the world to perform the upgrade.
For example, PPC Techs does iPaq memory upgrades, not with HP's blessing, but they have shown expertise.
The reason I suggest having HTC bless this type of upgrade is 2 fold:
they have the resources to properly test and create a aftermarket kit
they may be shamed into doing something with some sort of subsidized cost to Shift owners since clearly having the combination of processor, memory and OS can never work efficinently since Vista was designed for higher processing power and more memory
This is just a suggestion, these devices can not cost $1000 to produce, HTC must have some serious profit in these puppies.
A side note on the SSD, based on my readings, the SSD drives use more battery power.
If there were to do any other updates, I would suggest making SD slot accessible to Snapview and enable Wifi on Snapview, maybe have an official liberation ROM as well for Snapview.
The additional memory on Vista side and better battery life (like Mugen bigger batteries for Shift) will make Shift almost perfect!!!
Dave32
I think the downfall of this device is the crappy CPU and VISTA...
even video encoding is crap
on my UX, I can watch Bluray rips in highest qualities, the Shift cant even handle DIVX well...
Backing up then Upgrading ... !!
Hello Guys
I have the HTC Shift 9500 European model with SIM FREE.
I know nothing about backup... !! What is the best way to backup the entire HardDrive with its Hidden partition ??
In addition, Has anyone succeed to upgrade the memory from 1GB to be 2GB or even 4 GB ??
Another question... Is there any successful HardDrive to SSD Drive upgrade ??
Kindly specify me the model numbers .. and from where to buy ...
Please reply as soon as possible...
Regards
Luis

More RAM for G1, possible???

do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
I believe you're thinking of Swap - check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531988
Also don't forget using your SD card as swap partition will thrash it and could shorten the life of your SD card due to alot of writes.
If you really want to do this look for a program called 'swapper'.
oh ok thanks for the heads up !
johnnie93 said:
do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
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This is pretty much the function the swap file provides. There is a differentiation on a desktop because on a desktop files are stored on a hdd, whereas a portable device usually uses flash as its storage and swap.
And just to clarify, Vista readyboost is completely different to RAM or swap partitions.
Flash memory is limited to a certain number of writes, it is a very large number so in normal use you will probably never hit it. Reading however will not affect the lifetime of your flash memory.
Hard drives do not have any such limits.
Readyboost uses an SD/USB memory card/stick as a cache to quickly load frequently used files, this is because it's generally faster to read from flash memory than from the hard disk. Readyboost DOES NOT write very often, this is why it is suitable for use with flash memory.
Swap/Paging/Virtual memory is completely different, it is an area on a disk, a file on windows or a seperate partition on linux, where the operating system can dump some of the data that is in RAM if it runs out of space. If you have low RAM or are using high memory applications this will do alot of reading AND writing, therefore will reduce the lifetime of your flash memory. This is why swap partitions are normally on hard disks.
Hope this helps explain it!
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Hard drives do not have any such limits.
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Sure they do. Just considerably longer. Also, hard disks, for quite a long time now, have been capable of dynamically remapping around worn out sections and come with a decent chunk of unused space that is used for remapping. Hard disks also suffer from gradual demagnetization -- over time, the differing magnetic fields on the platter will interact with each other, causing data loss. You can generally expect a finite life time of any hard disk before large sections of the platter become unusable. I have noticed this particularly to be the case with winvista, which by default likes to catalog and recatalog your disk (they say for fast searching), but the end result is writing and rewriting of the same small portion of the disk, which causes it to wear out VERY quickly, though leaving the balance of the disk perfectly functional.
there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
SyXbiT said:
there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
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R3nrut said:
That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
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Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
I would definitely try it (I'm an Electrical Engineer, and solder at work all the time)
But i'd rather buy a 288MB chip from somewhere, rather than rip it from a different device.
I don't wanna throw away money.
if someone knows a supplier for those chips let me know and I'll try it and post screenshots
The last 2 smartphones I have owned there has been a discussion on upgrading the memory with huge threads and a few people trying. The end result has always been it is by far cheaper to get a new phone in another year which will have a faster processor, more memory, more storage etc...
Sure it can be done but with how fast technology changes it probably isn't worth it.
So is HTC HERO worth buying for more RAM and speed??
Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
lbcoder said:
Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
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the htc magic isn't exactly the same. Some htc magic models (like google ion and tmobile mytouch) only have 192megs of RAM.
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
You are probably confusing internal FLASH with RAM. A class 6 uSD card is NOWHERE NEAR the speed of the ram. The RAM is orders of magnitude faster.
sonikamd said:
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
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Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
I thought there was a technical manual out for the G1 somewhere that listed parts... Not just the service manual which showed you how to open the device for repair. Could be worth running a decent google search for the motherboard and parts and then find a supplier for the RAM if you're game in trying to solder more on.
Thanks to the flexibility of Android as well, I'm pretty sure it would be able to read and make use of the extra RAM too.
blackeyedbrian said:
Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
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Last I heard it was going to Sprint instead possibly. I really hope it doesn't!
NeoBlade said:
Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
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...this is exactly what I thought...
With the recent rumors of the g1 not supporting donut due to its lack of memory... this mod is number 1 on my list... I plan to do this soon... any one else?

Replace 32GB SSD with a bigger one or HDD?

I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
Well, the external max is 32G, so I'd guess the internal max is also 32G.
The tablet won't give enought power to run a HDD, it might run sn ssd, but there's no room for one.
ArtaxXP said:
I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
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There is a video on youtube about how you remove the back piece of the A500.
Sorry I dont have the link.
Please let me know if you are successfull!
ArtaxXP said:
I would like to open the device, because I wanna try to replace the SSD with a bigger one or with a HDD, maybe 500GB.
Any Idea how to open the case?
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Not user upgradeable, more than likely the 32gb or 16gb of NAND is soldered onto the board. I have not seen a tear down of the A500 but all the other tablets I have seen have soldered chips. So it is not a SSD but soldered down flash chips. I had the Viewsonic Gtab which has 16gb of NAND and someone soldered 16gb more on one of them and that worked.
Ok, first of all the link to the video how to open the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvbWo_p3KI
Thx to sanaell !
and tadaa...I did it...not that perfect as I expected, because 2 of the 10 plastic clambs broke (not that bad, but be careful!)...but i got it open...and...like nrage23 said, it's a soldered down flash chip. but I forgot to check if its a normal ddr3 notebook ram. if so, it should be possible to replace it with a 4gb chip...anyone who wants to open the device again and ckeck that? =D
ArtaxXP said:
Ok, first of all the link to the video how to open the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvbWo_p3KI
Thx to sanaell !
and tadaa...I did it...not that perfect as I expected, because 2 of the 10 plastic clambs broke (not that bad, but be careful!)...but i got it open...and...like nrage23 said, it's a soldered down flash chip. but I forgot to check if its a normal ddr3 notebook ram. if so, it should be possible to replace it with a 4gb chip...anyone who wants to open the device again and ckeck that? =D
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I don't think tegra or honeycomb would support that much ram, though it would be awesome!
Well at least 2 GiG ram would awesome!
Maybe the OS wouldn't even read the 2 gig and a chip other than the original would cause too much power drain.
This tablet does have an internal PCIe slot but the connector isn't soldered. If you have the guts, you could add an extra pcie SSD, again, at battery life cost.
I know it's been several months since the last post. Has anyone seen any progress with adding an ssd or anything else to the pcie in these tablets?
Fluffbutt said:
Well, the external max is 32G, so I'd guess the internal max is also 32G.
The tablet won't give enought power to run a HDD, it might run sn ssd, but there's no room for one.
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Lol wut?
I'm running am external 500gb hdd and I have a 64gb microsd inside. It works perfectly.
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skatin707 said:
Lol wut?
I'm running am external 500gb hdd and I have a 64gb microsd inside. It works perfectly.
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They weren't talking about an external USB hdd....
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wolverine423 said:
They weren't talking about an external USB hdd....
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
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I know that. I was commenting on the fact that he said it couldn't power an HDD (he didn't specify internal or external, and obviously we can't fit an HDD internally). Not only that, he said external max was 32gb.
Most of the storage components in devices like phones and tablets are soldered right onto the motherboard. If you grab an external 500GB HDD like many of the users here, you can have almost infinite storage. Can't do much for memory unless you set up swap.
Athrun88 said:
Most of the storage components in devices like phones and tablets are soldered right onto the motherboard. If you grab an external 500GB HDD like many of the users here, you can have almost infinite storage. Can't do much for memory unless you set up swap.
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Yup, and external HDDs are cheaper than micro SD cards by a long shot. Added bulk, sure, but the cost is worth it.
It would be cool to get a good sized SSD in there though, kind of like that acer dual screen tablet/computer.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-ICONIA-6120-14-inch-Tablet/dp/B004P0WLEY
Soldering a working PCI-E on A500 would be a terribly useful project, but to do that we'd need proper schematics. Someone with an A501 should be able to photograph the motherboard, but it would have to be on both sides of it, ie. it would require removing the whole board -- not something people usually wish to do to a working tablet. Also the photos would have to be clear enough for us to see all the small details, including the small text on capacitors. Then just compare that to the A500 to see all the differences and draw up schematics from that.
The hard part is the soldering itself though, too much heat and you burn the parts, too little heat and you clump the tin and so on.
As for replacing the NAND and/or mDDR3: there is no technical reason why it couldn't be done. Just make sure the power draw and voltage is the same, and for the mDDR3 the speeds, too. The problem is again soldering (industry uses soldering bots for this, the parts are very easy to burn), and in the case of a new NAND you'd have to duplicate the contents of the old one and adjust the partitions accordingly.
As for the truth: if you do not have several years worth of soldering experience do not bother. I don't want to see people here on forums crying about how their tablets are ruined because they failed with soldering.
your thought is greet!waiting someone makes this happen!
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I've got links for detailed pics and video of dissasemly but cannot post them yet... pm me if you want them....
here's the service manual.
http://db.tt/Uu08rvHe
Somairotevoli said:
here's the service manual.
http://db.tt/Uu08rvHe
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Useful in general, yes, but does not help here: it does not have component diagrams.
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pumpastic said:
I've got links for detailed pics and video of dissasemly but cannot post them yet... pm me if you want them....
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Plain disassembly isn't enough, the pics would have to be sharp and detailed enough to see every small-scale detail. Video is not useful for that at all. Sorry.
Other than the obvious problems with soldering, it should be possible to use up to 4gib of physical RAM (ARMv7 is 32bit) and a lot of HDD space (2^32 adresses times 4kib clusters, say)... would be cool if we could make it work, but then again... even with lots of experience in soldering etc. you'd probably break more than a few devices before eventually having a working one. If you had access to soldering robots you'd probably have other ways to go anyway... As for HDD/SDD, you can just use an external one or use a NAS (network storage)... That's a lot easier and safer.

Suggestions for upgrading laptop hardware to use from 3 to 5 years

Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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Yes, it's a great idea. can you tell me if this machine can get 16GB Ram because I do video editing is quite heavy and can you recommend a wifi card that supports Bluetooth 4.0 because I will use it with AirPods and a wireless mouse?
An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
trieuanh.07 said:
Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
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Just because the specs state that the max RAM supported is 8GB doesn't mean it can't use more, especially if the CPU you have has microcoding to support more than the overall system specs stated by the manufacturer. I had a Dell inspiron N5110 laptop that I upgraded the CPU to a hyper threaded quad core and upgraded the RAM to 16GB of Gskill RAM even though the specs said it would only support 8GB, it used the full 16GB with no issue.
Upgrade your RAM to 16GB of RAM that is at least the next step in mhz and install a SSD, the larger it is, the faster it will be.
If your CPU is socketed and can be upgraded, upgrade the CPU as well, if your laptop has a CPU that is soldered to the board, you can't upgrade the CPU, most laptops have soldered CPU.
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An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
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That uses old i5 cpu ...it is a 47ish watt so got to stay in that realm. ASus should have a compatibility matrix for that series .. Every laptop manufacture used a similar build. Lenovo. Dell and others... I am working on 3 lenovo⁸ to replace broken screens. So I sourcing screens can get a HD from better model and I can even go to an 8th generation i7 6700mx from a i3.. replacing mem so I will have 16gb not 4gm...
Buy part laptops of ebay...40 to 100 buks...or I going to use the phones I have w broken screens into my new kali and steam game machines for niece an nephew..
I can tell say the older laptops like yours may be a socket....look up pics for your motherboard on asus ebay..hell thay may be even listed..Asus runs with Dell.. so look for Dell latitude similar model number..
Cool thing is the laptops were all modular.
ALPHA Netwoks makes both NVma and ePCi.wifi and BT cards.. I think yours is the ePcmcia card....that old credit card size things you could expand your laptop with perifials but it is on a card slot...
Good luck
Hi, friend. Usually with the change from mechanical hard disk to ssd a considerable increase in data access speed is achieved, replacing the ram memories with more current ones with greater speed and capacity we also manage to improve speed. Now, you work with video editing, it's hard for me to understand that you're still taking advantage of that veteran Asus, but I see that you're daring and that you're not going to give up easily and I like that hahaha. Personally I recommend you get an intel i7 2670QM and replace it, update all the firmware (possibly you will have already updated the bios, if you haven't already the time has come but there are more upgradable components, do it with everything you can). On the other hand, working mainly with video applications you should replace the graphics card, with that Nvidia Geforce 610M you can't do big things anymore. I can look for a list of compatible graphics if you're willing to update it, but probably by getting one of at least 2Gb, even if it's the same model, you'll already notice a big difference, especially since when it comes to processing the video you won't need to go as far. assiduously to ram memory.
Of course, let's start at the beginning:
Disassemble that notebook, disassemble fans, processors, chipset and everything you can disassemble to replace the thermal putty and thoroughly clean all the equipment because by forcing it a little more the temperature will also be higher.
If you want to go further, reply to the message, I'm already a computer dinosaur but I'm still as passionate as the first day and I wouldn't mind dedicating a few hours to help you.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
trieuanh.07 said:
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
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A good team that lenovo thinkpad.

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