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Is this true?

I heard from my local distributor for universal (jasjar) that the jj has a lot of problems, and is not quality tested to expected standards....
Apparently, there are too many complaints and problems regarding the hardware integrity of the device. Out of every 50 devices, there are roughly 6-8 devices which are defective and need replacement...
the problems were mainly with the display...the display used to "flicker", there were lots of issues with the hinge, there were sections of the display which were corrupted....
I'm not too sure if this info is accurate, or he's just crapping to me, cuz i'm buying it from outside (and not from him!)
Is this true? I'm kind of worried, as i'm buying it in from the US (qtek 9000) and theres no way i could get support here locally...
thanks!
San

Generally not true in my personal use. I've had no issues at all. I only use it at VGA and do some degree of hacking on it, but have found only slight flicker issues (but unlikely to be seen in normal use).
It's big(ger than a magican), it generally seems slightly slower than WM2003 when working at VGA (but fine at QVGA), but it's well featured, has a good keyboard, good connectivity, has some curious ergonomic oversights, has only few noticeable bugs that are intrinsic as opposed to externally correctable, works well, and if you're ok with the size, will no doubt please you if set up correctly.
It's nice to develop on.
Versus the wizard, it has VGA, but VGA at VGA res is hard on the eyes, so is more of a luxury than good for day to day use. So there's not that much between them.
But it will generally please you!
V

vijay555 said:
Generally not true in my personal use. I've had no issues at all. I only use it at VGA and do some degree of hacking on it, but have found only slight flicker issues (but unlikely to be seen in normal use).
It's big(ger than a magican), it generally seems slightly slower than WM2003 when working at VGA (but fine at QVGA), but it's well featured, has a good keyboard, good connectivity, has some curious ergonomic oversights, has only few noticeable bugs that are intrinsic as opposed to externally correctable, works well, and if you're ok with the size, will no doubt please you if set up correctly.
It's nice to develop on.
Versus the wizard, it has VGA, but VGA at VGA res is hard on the eyes, so is more of a luxury than good for day to day use. So there's not that much between them.
But it will generally please you!
V
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Thanks for your reply vj!
I'm more than eager and obsessed with the universal! For me, size really doesnt matter...in fact, i love ppcs which are bigger!
My only worry is, about the build quality of the device...
I just hope something doesnt fall apart, as i really cant afford to get assistance for fixing it here
I'll have to wait for my next trip to the united states, until then....it's an expensive paper weight!
fingers crossed,
San

I've never had any concern about the build quality, think it's very well built personally.
Just don't stress the hinge in the wrong direction, and be gentle. But knowing how much it costs, I'm sure you will!
Get a screen cover (before it arrives! I use a brando, but recommend exim and others I guess) and use the enormous case that comes with it.
V

vijay555 said:
I've never had any concern about the build quality, think it's very well built personally.
Just don't stress the hinge in the wrong direction, and be gentle. But knowing how much it costs, I'm sure you will!
Get a screen cover (before it arrives! I use a brando, but recommend exim and others I guess) and use the enormous case that comes with it.
V
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thanks for the tip m8
I've bought an eXpansys screen protector along with the device...
I guess it should do for now...will look at buying a brando once this wears away...
another 1 hour, and it would be 7 days to go
San

I don't believe that stuff about bad build quality. I'm happy with mine, and my impression from this board is that most folks are busy trying to tweak and push and see how far they can go with these great little machines. Hardware problems seem to represent a definite minority of the topics here. That's my impression anyway.

Same as what VJ said
becareful on the hinge. My frd twist his the wrong way couple of times, and now makes this strange noise like its going to snap

My first Jasjar had 1 dead pixel and was swopped out for a new one. No problems since...

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My first Jasjar had 1 dead pixel and was swopped out for a new one. No problems since...
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oooh la la! I hope i dont find a dead pixel on mine
holy crap there are 640x480 of them.....more to worry about!!
(i'm usually a little anxious and i normally sit right at the very edge of my chair kind-of-a-person!)
62keys, lots of hardware buttons, 640x480 pixels, swivel display, rom, i should stop....(takes a breath)....(tells himself....its gonna be fine relax).....(only 6 days more to go....).....
6 days more.....i cant waitttttttttt!!!
(sorry for the spam guys!)
cheers!
San

No Problems
I had hve my JJ since end of october and I do not have any problems.
I-Mate is a guarantie for the old i-mate users.
Go ahead, buy it in a aproval authoritation dealer and don't worry. Tell us watherver.

size and build quality

how do you guy's live with the chunky size of the unit and is the build quality as bad as some reports ?
thank you

i am on my 4th mda
1st: crashed a lot and keyboard not quite set right into the frame - wireless manager button sticks up slightly
2nd: metal top plate offset and scratching my ear
3rd: loud creaky hinge with loud clicks
4th: camera fault - big white dot on photo's
on my 1st exec i have a misaligned keyboard as with mda 1, and minor camera pixel dropouts
i think build quality is pretty awful, and will keep* my exec and get the mda swapped out for a vario or something.
* might take it back and see if I can get a fully functional device from them, after all I paid 99 pounds for it :lol:

I had one MDA Pro and now I have an XDA Exe and both were/are excellent, great quality devices.
About the size - I had all the previous XDAs so I got used to the big phones already. I'm not using any bluetooth headsets, and I always carry it in my jeans back pocket , no problems at all for me.

I am on my first and only Jas Jar - the thing is brilliant- no problems at all. As for size, I always use mine with a BT headset and voice command when making or recieving a call, so no problem there either.

I am on my 3rd Jasjar. First was taken away by my boss. 2nd had an Arabic/English keyboard and did not like it. Now on 3rd unit for over 2 months. All had excellent build quality. No complaints from me whatsoever.
Kind Regards

Mine seems fine so far. Havent noticed any problems and im usually one for spotting things. Was worried about dead pixels but both my wizard and uni are clear as a bell.

i find the entire flimsy plastic body of the MDA Pro to be quite a weak design. I put my first one in my pocket, jumped in the car, drove for an hour, took it out and the phone had been bent in my pocket slightly. No apparent external damage but the screen had a beautiful crack right through the middle.
At one of their shops they accused me of damaging the device myself, but fortunately the insurance paid out, even though I had to pay an excess. I have never had any problems with my XDA2 or my MDA3 and for this to happen within 5 days of actually getting the phone, I am not very confident it will last 18 months.
Furthermore I keep discovering pieces of software are not included - Messenger (which is a shame as always good for long journeys on a train) and most of all - Calculator - I can't believe it, not even the old basic one.

I think you should look once again :wink:
There is a calculator in PROGRAMS
and the MSN Messenger is in POCKET MSN, first position from the top

lloydalikes said:
i find the entire flimsy plastic body of the MDA Pro to be quite a weak design. I put my first one in my pocket, jumped in the car, drove for an hour, took it out and the phone had been bent in my pocket slightly. No apparent external damage but the screen had a beautiful crack right through the middle.
At one of their shops they accused me of damaging the device myself, but fortunately the insurance paid out, even though I had to pay an excess. I have never had any problems with my XDA2 or my MDA3 and for this to happen within 5 days of actually getting the phone, I am not very confident it will last 18 months.
Furthermore I keep discovering pieces of software are not included - Messenger (which is a shame as always good for long journeys on a train) and most of all - Calculator - I can't believe it, not even the old basic one.
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No offense but why would you drive for an hour with an MDA Pro in your pocket. Surely glove box, dashboard, passenger seat or a passenger holding it for you would have been preferable.
To be fair you cant blame the design for that. If youve had it in your pocket and obviously bent it in some way, then the screen being damaged isnt beyond reason.
Its no good buying one of these devices and then expecting it to fit in a shirt pocket like it isnt there. Its a big phone, end of !
As ive said before, the design seems ok to me and its everything I have expected it to be so far. Maybe in months to come I might find one or two shortcomings but not so far.

Maybe my opinion will sound odd to most of you, but I really find Wizard much more "bulky" looking than the Universal. This thing is so thick!!! Even if overall in size the Universal is bigger, it's got excellent proportions and it just "looks the bollocks!!" as my friend said :wink: Of course I'm talking about the XDA Exec which for me looks way better than M5000 or MDA Pro...

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Of course I'm talking about the XDA Exec which for me looks way better than M5000 or MDA Pro...
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Totally agree with that comment! Just swapped from an MDA Pro to an XDA Exec and it actually seems smaller. I guess what they say about black being more slimming is true

rottie said:
Maybe my opinion will sound odd to most of you, but I really find Wizard much more "bulky" looking than the Universal. This thing is so thick!!! Even if overall in size the Universal is bigger, it's got excellent proportions and it just "looks the bollocks!!" as my friend said :wink: Of course I'm talking about the XDA Exec which for me looks way better than M5000 or MDA Pro...
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Couldn't agree more, I think the Wizard looks FAR bulkier, yet because it's a bit smaller and traditionally-XDA style, people say THAT's the smaller of that and the Exec.
The Wizard is a good phone, admittedly. However, a lot of excess plastic if you ask me.
And black is the ONLY colour for the Universal! hehe
Ant

I have the Universal and the wife has the Wizard, I am costantly amazed at what both devices are capable of. When using my Universal in the car it sits on the dash with the four rubber feet, screen open and on display, works and looks fantastic. I love the larger screen on the Universal and also like the 3g support. As for size I prefer the Wizard, It just feels more comfy to hold and use like a phone, I still feel weird holding the Universal to my ear, I don't use a BT headset yet, keep trying to find a surgery that can give me a bluetooth implant behind my ear :shock: I actually find myself using the keyboard on my Universal less and less now, and opting to leave it screen out and use the onscreen keyboard. The twist is nice but I am sure its is already getting slack. I guess my ideal device would be a hybrid of the two, wishfull thinking and totally over the top but, same size as the wizard, same screen as the universal and with 3g but the screen, imagine opening a wizard with the base being thicker than the screen and as you slide it open the screen tilts up and can rotate so its perpendicular to the keyboard so it looks like the universal, keep going and it ends up facing the keyboard and would close back down screen facing in, no need to twist the screen about a single swivel anymore.
I may even knock up a short avi so you can see it in action.
Regards

I am on the whole , pretty happy with my Exec
The only thing that bothers me is that it seems (only very slightly) slower than my old Magician !
I have had to learn how to answer calls on it (i.e if it rings while it is closed then LEAVE IT CLOSED TO ANSWER IT ! ) Which leads me to my only real gripe - No way of seeing who is calling with the clamshell closed
As for the size thing - anyone who buys one of these knows exactly what they are buying into - I personally have no problem with big phones wouldn't want the Exec any smaller

I've probably said it too many times... I love my phone! in spite and despite of...
When you love something that much, you get to love every bit of it.. bulky size and all. I still look sheepish when answering a call with a brick in my ear but I glow when all my officemates jot their notes on a paper while I just type it on my dopod900.
I still go berserk when the ringtone suddenly changes to another despite my change in the registry but I think I can live with going to settings and all..
So there, Im gonna borrow McDonald's slogan and say "Im Lovin' It!"

I do not see any problem with the size and build of the Uni.
I have the first XDA for 3 years or so, and now I use both the Uni and the XDA. Because I have been using the XDA so long, I do not have any problem with the Uni. They are both relatively about the same size and weight and same usage. Nobody laughes at me when I hold the big phone next to my ear, because I have done that for years with my XDA.
I laugh at myself when I noticed how funny its when having a bug (BT headset) in my ear now.
Overall I really like the Uni though it still cannot replace my XDA fully in certain environment where I do not want to take the risk of having the Uni handles the job. But in office and home, Uni is perfect.
Software wise, when the XDA came out, the software loaded were really buggy, it took years before finally everything became really stable, so with that matter of fact, I could accept Uni at its right now with hope it will be close to 100% perfect in the near future.

jasjar with no build or quality problems, and I love everything except the name. (I'm still planning to get around to using that sugar cube.)

I'm pretty impressed by the overal feel of my Qtek. The plastic feels very strong, it doesn't look or feel like a cheap plactic box. The rotating hinge works flawlessly, but when I put my screen in laptop modus, there is a very minimal play. But I guess this is normal? Can anyone confirm!?

WIZARD or UNIVERSAL? wich is the best for you???

Hi all!
I own 1 wizard and I am very happy. Mow my operator made me a proposal to upgrade to the Universal for 150 Euros.
Do you think I must move to the universal or saty with my wizard?
Thank you in advance.

If your wizard is the o2 one, i'd be willing to swap my universal for your wizard for free...

Wow! seams you are not so happy with your Universal. My wizard is a T-Mobile.

I'd stay with the Wizard... the only thing that slightly tempted me to get a Universal was the VGA screen. Other than that it runs the same software as a Wizard, it's been reported time and again that it's slower than the Wizard, it's physically a good bit larger (and the Wizard isn't all that small to begin with, especially in terms of thickness), the hinge mechanism for the screen goes slack so badly that people have had 'repairs' (tightening) twice already.. keep in mind that the Universal wasn't launched that long ago, etc.
Also, the Wizard just looks pretty sexy

ZeBox: I'm almost convinced...

Well, if you really want to be convinced, go to a store that carries the Universal - just be prepared to be lured into temptation by that VGA screen But if you ignore that bit, *shrug*, Wizard all the way

I had a Universal from t-mobile, 3 infact, all the hindges went slack and clicked so they were returned and I left them for orange. Same thing again, clicks, loose so ive ditched that too.
I admit the VGA screen was a luxury, but it felt quite heavy in the pocket and stabbed me in the leg a few times sitting down. It was also quite slow, especially on somthing as simple as making a call.
Ive ended up with the Wizzard, and im very happy with it. Its the closest HTC have come to making a pda device that looks like a phone and its quite fast considering its technically slower than the Universal.
I dont think you'll be happy with a universal once the glory of the first few weeks has passed. The wizzard certainly is a fine little device and im glad I got one in the end.

Thank you guys for your opinions. Now I am convinced. I'll stay with my wizzard (t-mobile with QTEK rom) wich satisfy all my communication and organisation needs.
Thanks again.

I'm not sure I agree. My universal is faster than my old wizard, the keyboard makes a huge difference and it's no bigger than my wizard was with a cover, which you needed to protect the screen, but don't need with the Universal. Also it's more stable I used to have to soft reset my wiz all the time plus my buletooth headset works properly with it whereas it didn't with my wiz after the last ROM upgrade. And it doesn't wipe/corrup SD cards (yet). Also 3G is abig advantage in so far as I travel alot and now I don't need to pay to login to wifi hotspots, at airports for example, anymore.
Remember neither device is really a very good phone, the battery life isn't up to it and the size is prohibitive.
Well that's my opinion anyway!

simple trade off, size vs function
I had a Magician & loved it but then the Universal appeared I "had to get it", today I sold it to a workmate and bought a Wizard (T-mobile) thats a weight off my mind, and my pocket, I could not carry the Universal around with me easily, I found myself dressing in the morning to accommodate my phone (how F****d up is that?). the Wizard is more like a phone GTi and the Universat is like a 7 year old PC, as I normally carry a PSP and a Laptop for work I found the Universal slow, fragile and oversized ( the VGA left me cold, it is not really VGA, well not useable VGA, fonts are too small and none of the apps suit it. I know that there are some amazing people in this forum working hard but its kinda hard to polish a turd.
If you want a laptop, buy one, if you want a phone, buy one but do not expect one to do the others work for it.
I should have learned my lesson when I bought a Sony NZ90 (another huge bulky "PC replacement") but I think that for 99% of the techno-savvy world a phone is a phone & a computer is a computer.
rant over, sorry to the Universal owners out there

I have both and for me it's pretty obvious its all about intended use.
Wizard: small, low power CPU (although this is not so apparnt, it feels pretty quick most of the time), qvga. EDGE (at best, no EDGE here in the UK so 2G speeds only!). Fits in your pocket no problem. usable keyboard. Perfect 'everyday' PDA phone
Universal: Faster CPU (but ****ty ROMs and power schemes negate this benfit to a large extent). VGA screen is LOVELY! (but no hardware 2D or 3D acceleration means playing games or videos is a bit shakey). Really good Keyboard. Funky swiveling screen (double edged sword as the hinges seem to be a weakness). Big and really rather heavy. UMTS! Only fits in your pocket if your wearing combats! Perfect 'mini laptop' (I've composed large docs and loooong emails on mine!). Perfect PDA that happens to be a phone as well (if you see what i mean).
TBH, I have both and I use the wizard every day and the universal at weekends...

Your Athena is obsolete already :(

Well, I have all the stupid little things that are wrong with the Athena. They keyboard is often commented on, I have no idea why the Athena wasnt better...
Well, here it is, the Shangri-La (9500)
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_pics/14201/HTC_2.jpg
Read it and weep.
Mind you, no way im fitting a 7" lcd in my pocket! the Athena is bad enough.

is that 7" in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?

Pyrofer said:
Well, I have all the stupid little things that are wrong with the Athena. They keyboard is often commented on, I have no idea why the Athena wasnt better...
Well, here it is, the Shangri-La (9500)
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_pics/14201/HTC_2.jpg
Read it and weep.
Mind you, no way im fitting a 7" lcd in my pocket! the Athena is bad enough.
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Too big, man. The Athena is significantly smaller.

it is not a PDA-Phone
it is an UMPC

7" Is just way to big
No weeping here they can keep it.

That is the HTC Shift. it has been well known for quite a while there are even much better pictures than that available. Areas of contention:
-Resolution was reported to be better specked than on your link
-Unconfirmed if it will run WM6, seems unlikely HTC would license 2 O/S for one device, ie costs to them and than users.

Looks very interesting. However, I don't find it appealing to me the same as way Athena. Portability factor is not as attractive as Athena. I prefer no keyboard (I like a tablet) and size no bigger than Athena. I like the storage capacity though. I don't know if running Vista on it would be sluggish and taxing on the battery, so let's wait and see. I wonder how easy it is for the phone to respond to incoming calls under Vista.

yea dude...thats the htc shift...that piece of crap is tooo darn big for a pocket...

Is this not like the cPC thing that flopped on a major level? With a dual boot between standard Windows and Mobile Windows?
Although, the fingerprint thing would be interesting for me with some of the software I'm using, but not for a major price increase........

Pyrofer said:
Well, I have all the stupid little things that are wrong with the Athena. They keyboard is often commented on, I have no idea why the Athena wasnt better...
Well, here it is, the Shangri-La (9500)
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_pics/14201/HTC_2.jpg
Read it and weep.
Mind you, no way im fitting a 7" lcd in my pocket! the Athena is bad enough.
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Who says I can't have both? I have two pockets. Just have to make one pocket bigger than the other. ;-)
I'm trying to decide if I want to order one or not. My deciding factor was the built in GPS. Since I see that the Shift may have built in GPS, it's becoming more attractive to me. Just soooo damn big. 7" screen. I have a PVR that has a 7" screen with a 100gig HD and it won't fit into my pocket. Just too big. I leave it in my back pack. I don't want to carry my back pack just because my new phone is too big. Still deciding.

Carrying the Athena? (let alone anything bigger)
With respect to size, even the Athena is plenty big. I still haven't found a solution I like for carrying it with me. If I'm wearing pants with large pockets, that sort of works except for looking kinda freakish. And it really won't fit in some pockets.
I have also tried a camera bag that clips onto my belt. That lasted about 30 minutes. Just too dang bulky. So much of the time I carry it around like a little purse, which irritates me because I'm always afraid I'll forget it. (How do women do this??)
None of the commercial cases I've looked at have seemed like they will do what I want. The best solution I saw was a metal frame that hooks on to the stock case with a belt clip that this guy posted pictures of, but he hasn't responded to my inquiries about making me one!
-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1311287&highlight=lasers#post1311287
So... what are the rest of you doing? Any great ideas?

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With respect to size, even the Athena is plenty big. I still haven't found a solution I like for carrying it with me. If I'm wearing pants with large pockets, that sort of works except for looking kinda freakish. And it really won't fit in some pockets.
I have also tried a camera bag that clips onto my belt. That lasted about 30 minutes. Just too dang bulky. So much of the time I carry it around like a little purse, which irritates me because I'm always afraid I'll forget it. (How do women do this??)
None of the commercial cases I've looked at have seemed like they will do what I want. The best solution I saw was a metal frame that hooks on to the stock case with a belt clip that this guy posted pictures of, but he hasn't responded to my inquiries about making me one!
-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1311287&highlight=lasers#post1311287
So... what are the rest of you doing? Any great ideas?
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My sentiments exactly! I need to carry it so I can have both hands free, ALWAYS. That means a belt case. My latest addition (3rd attempt) was a nintendo DS lite case. Guess what, it doesn't fit! Maybe we could persuade that guy with the metal clip to have a go for us, and give us a quote?

Abram said:
My sentiments exactly! I need to carry it so I can have both hands free, ALWAYS. That means a belt case. My latest addition (3rd attempt) was a nintendo DS lite case. Guess what, it doesn't fit! Maybe we could persuade that guy with the metal clip to have a go for us, and give us a quote?
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He hasn't responded to PMs and his email is hidden. Hopefully he'll check back some day and notice we're looking for him! For me, this might be the best approach. I really like the stock case (know I'm a minority there), but it does work for me. For example, sits flat for tabletop typing, EZ in/out of case to use it in tablet mode, keyboard pops right into place while still in the case, etc... EXCEPT for the missing belt clip.!!

I have absolutely no issue in carrying the unit around. This is what I have. I can either bring the keyboard with me or leave it behind.
http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=14690&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360
The device is well protected. Not a single scratch until now. The unit still look brand new.

the i-mate Jasjar: a success story

I got this gadget when it first came out. I really love chunky smartphones that let you do real work on them - that's why I like the x75xx as well.
Now that credit crunch is here, and there's less to spread around, sometimes a gadget resurrected is as good as a new one. So I got my Jasjar out of its wraps and first (second) impressions are really very good. For one thing, compared with WM6, it is really very fast. What I really like is the battery life. Putting a 3G SIM in the thing is a revelation. The SIM kills my x7500, or the TyTN II, but the Jasjar seems to plough through. Plus the massive extra big batteries you can get (I have got a 3800mAh one) mean that you can use the thing during the day for all sorts of extras, namely, music on the go. That is a real plus.
There are problems of course - the lack of memory is real minus, but installing as much as I can on storage card means I can get more out of it, and using Memmaid and shutting down apps when I don't need them wrings a little more performance out it.
Which brings me to what I wanted to say: the tweak for letting it recognise SDHC cards over 2GB - the reason I migrated away from it in the first place - means I have an 8gig card in it now, with as many ebooks and songs as I could realistically want away from the office. So a big thank you to the regulars of this forum who go to the trouble of developing and publishing these things. I am really grateful. I think this is one gadget that deserves to be resurrected, with a new version, the design with the rotating screeen to tablet is just superb.
So - not a complaint, not a problem, just thanks to the regulars.
rjstep3

I have to agree with you.
When I got my Exec (a £160 grab off eBay with a 4GB SIM card and all the accessories bundled) I must admit, I was skeptical. That screen, too flimsy. That layout, too buggy. That OS, too slow... But with some playing about it now runs a charm, a really nice phone to use. The only downside is having to hold what seems like a chunk of Lego next to your face when you want to take a call, and I can never remember which button is which on the spine to answer/hang up calls. So I always end up hanging up on someone before I've even answered it!!!
Right now though, it's a lovely phone. That flimsy screen can be tightened, that layout can be modified, and that OS has been upgraded to Tomal's latest.
All I got to do now, is get myself an O2 SIM which has 3G on it!! Still on PAYG, which I've been meaning to change for a while. Ah well - on the Christmas list!!!

Universal is the best device!
Even today with the new devices Uni still having one of the best screens, almost same processor than the actual ones, and a keyborad that no device can beat!
Long live to Uni! (Even if it´s big, but it felts more solid on your hand)

Very true. With its big size comes its power which is second to none. Other than memory I have no complaints with this big man. I use bluetooth headset all the time so no worries like holding it for long. My jasjar has gone through very rough handling. But still it keeps on and on. Seems like its immortal. Its been more than 3 yrs with and so many things like iphone have passed by, but nothing attracts me more than this. Some of the things which make it royal and rich are:
lavish night glow keyboard
solid metallic frame
cool brushed finish
tablet design with sturdy hinges
two perfectly placed cameras
I can spend all day writing on this micro laptop. In short, its a never ending love.
But I cant conclude without mentioning the contribution of the members of this site. Everytime I start getting a little bit bored with it, I come to this site and put on some noce softwares or flash it. My love with it becomes even more energized. Thanks guys for all your efforts.

Out of all the phones I've purchased, tried and sold...I sometimes wish I would of kept my O2 Exec.

Funny really. I keep threatening to sell my 'ol Exec.
I bought it from O2 when it was first launched and retired it 6 months ago in lieu of something a little smaller (Touch Dual Plus).
Every now and then I get it set to sell it, but I just can't bring myself to do so
I'm hoping Father Christmas will bring me a new Batt and SD card so I can resurrect it fully.
Long live the XDA Exec
Mav