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Compose text like using mobile phone! Champion.

I'm looking for scrolling key on phonepad like the 2abc, 3def, 4ghi etc... integrated with the concept from the PocketCM 0.15 (contact manager), which utilises "finger friendly scrolling to lettles to display contacts" function.
In this case, we are looking at "finger friendly scrolling to insert charecters"..!
For instant, our tumb press for a key 2abc, tumb press and scroll for choices of lettles a, b, c or number 2. Just like in PocketCM contacts scrolling.
It's not that qwerty pocketcm keyboard, but pretty much looking at pocketcm phonepad-to-be. It will be larger, faster, intuitive, one hand operational and also suits the mobile phone community... like me.

betatalking said:
I'm looking for scrolling key on phonepad like the 2abc, 3def, 4ghi etc... integrated with the concept from the PocketCM 0.15 (contact manager), which utilises "finger friendly scrolling to lettles to display contacts" function.
In this case, we are looking at "finger friendly scrolling to insert charecters"..!
For instant, our tumb press for a key 2abc, tumb press and scroll for choices of lettles a, b, c or number 2. Just like in PocketCM contacts scrolling.
It's not that qwerty pocketcm keyboard, but pretty much looking at pocketcm phonepad-to-be. It will be larger, faster, intuitive, one hand operational and also suits the mobile phone community... like me.
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To me it look like a very slow way to type.

tene said:
To me it look like a very slow way to type.
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I also believe that it would be slow to type in that way. Yes, keys would be bigger but the "hold button then chose character" function would slow the typing too much.
If you want the advantage of such big keys grouped like a phone pad, they will have to be associated to a T9 dictionary. In that way the typing will be really faster! Infact, even if Tene's PCM Keyboard is really fast and can also be used one-handed, typing with the HTC PhonePad is still faster.
Anyway I prefer PCM Keyboard for the hi (total) customization level, the pretty look of some skins, the buttons bubble... (I could continue for hours ).
Marshall

Marshall07 said:
If you want the advantage of such big keys grouped like a phone pad, they will have to be associated to a T9 dictionary. In that way the typing will be really faster! Infact, even if Tene's PCM Keyboard is really fast and can also be used one-handed, typing with the HTC PhonePad is still faster.
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You're faster with PhonePad? Any idea why?

I agree that the keyboard type faster.
In this case i'm actually looking for a one-hand operated text input method that we can use while on the go... like mobile phone sms. Even while driving! or walking. So our focus on the road won't gets much strayed off.
There're lots of people looking forwards for this function, esp for those doing much sms and used to the keypad layout day in day out. Some particulary choose Asus P525, for instant, simply for its keypad function is a great attraction factor.
The concept I'm bringing forward is intuitively integrated to our common habbitual style. Consider about it?

tene said:
You're faster with PhonePad? Any idea why?
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Fisrt of all I use both the SIPs one-handed. Maybe it's because I come from some years of "normal" phones and since I write lot of SMS I gained a big experience with the T9.
Omitting the little difference in the UI response time (it is very little IMHO), I think that having only a 3x3 buttons grid, your thumb will have to move only a little to pass from a character to another. So: the less distance my thumb has to "drive", the more the typing speed will increase.
Here is an example with the word "hello".
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Anyway, this is for a one-handed operation. If I use the stylus or two hands, the things may change (i didn't test the differences in those cases).
However, I still prefer using PCM Keyboard because I don't always need that speed (I'm talking about a very high speed ) in typing and the other (LOT) features it has, like the auto-correction to say one, make me prefer it.
@betatalking: Have you ever tried HTC PhonePad? It seems to have the features you are looking for.
Marshall

Marshall07 said:
Fisrt of all I use both the SIPs one-handed. Maybe it's because I come from some years of "normal" phones and since I write lot of SMS I gained a big experience with the T9.
Omitting the little difference in the UI response time (it is very little IMHO), I think that having only a 3x3 buttons grid, your thumb will have to move only a little to pass from a character to another. So: the less distance my thumb has to "drive", the more the typing speed will increase.
Here is an example with the word "hello".
Anyway, this is for a one-handed operation. If I use the stylus or two hands, the things may change (i didn't test the differences in those cases).
However, I still prefer using PCM Keyboard because I don't always need that speed (I'm talking about a very high speed ) in typing and the other (LOT) features it has, like the auto-correction to say one, make me prefer it.
@betatalking: Have you ever tried HTC PhonePad? It seems to have the features you are looking for.
Marshall
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Thanks for the detail.
It would be interresting to test completely different layout, I don't think it would work for most user out of the box, because or common keyboard layout are well known. But it could be interresting, also to help autocorrection, for instance, in french "colle" and "comme" are two correct words, and "l" and "m" are close or an french keyboard layout.
Regarding responsiveness, that's the price to pay for autocorrection, I fear. I'm still trying to get some milliseconds here and there, but I don't see huge performance gain coming... unless I drop the suggestino box following the caret, and do it in a separate box (which would remove lot of added value).

Hi Marshall, no doubt the HTC phonepad is the most popular amoung the cataglory, but let's make it more powerful by making it scrollable like what the PocketCM v0.15's contacts scrolling concept does.
That's press and hold a key > scroll for upto five charecters option > release to input. Compare to taping style, scrolling shld be much faster. It's much friendlyer to those with big fingers and also the elderly as well. Because each key is bigger we get less details while inputting.

I found a simple solution to that problem. I just grew my fingernail on my right thumb and I use PocketCM KB. Seriously.. it worked for me.

Personally, I prefer Phonepad. I suppose this is because I was a 'normal phone' user in the past. Most phones make use of 'T9' predictive text input, and doesn't have the full Qwerty keyboard. Thus, we are very use to the T9 style of text input.
For T9, you don't need as much accuracy in pressing the (bigger) key cos' you only need to press '43556' to input 'Hello' (and select the word from the suggestion list), instead of pressing 'H', 'E', 'L', 'L' & 'O', and the keys, by the way, are smaller.

Keyboard is good for composing long messages or scripts which long typing is less tedious with both hands griping the device. Whereas, with the support of t9, phonepad inputs can be real fast and accurate also with just one hand.
T9 for composing normal text is a blessing, but when entering names or otherwise we need that switch over button to do the abc or 123. We need another button for Shift and another for Symbols, Left Right etc..
Keeping t9 in view, the phonepad simplifies the UI, centralises the input area and provides more options with only a few buttons.
Above all, I'm using PocketCM keyboard and HTC phonepad for text and sms. They're simply the best I can enjoy currently.

betatalking said:
Keyboard is good for composing long messages or scripts which long typing is less tedious with both hands griping the device. Whereas, with the support of t9, phonepad inputs can be real fast and accurate also with just one hand.
T9 for composing normal text is a blessing, but when entering names or otherwise we need that switch over button to do the abc or 123. We need another button for Shift and another for Symbols, Left Right etc..
Keeping t9 in view, with Touchflo techology can simplifies the UI, centralises the input area and provides more options with only a few buttons.
Above all, I'm using PocketCM keyboard and HTC phonepad for text and sms. They're simply the best I can enjoy currently.
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I also wish I can use both PocketCM Keyboard and HTC Phonepad, but unfortunately, if I switch to PocketCM, I can't switch back to Phonepad without soft reset my phone.

check out tengo

My wm6 device don't have any problem switching between PCM and HTC phonepad so far. Could it be ur ppc's using too much resources at a time? Or maybe some backgrd program's causing the conflict...

What is the best keyboard SIP?

What is the best keyboard SIP out there that everybody uses (that is finger friendly)?
I would like one that fits alpha and numeric on one page, finger friendly, have predictive text but not rely so much on it to function on a daily basis, and also don't cram too many functions on each key.
I know PocketCM keyboard is very popular but sometimes it doesn't work unless you install a SIP changer also. Also, I don't like the fact that numbers are not on the same screen as letters.
Touchpal and TapTap I think have big buttons but at the expense of craming too much functionality on each key and thus relying too much on predictive text.
The OEM Touch keypad/keyboard also i think is cumbersome to remember how to achieve certain numbers and symbols with too many gesture patterns. It has an option to have full number and alphabet keypad all the time but then you lose predictive text (T9).
The keyboard I find myself using the most is the default WM6 keyboard but switched to Large keys and then turn on keyboard gestures. Each key has only two functions, the default displayed function and one by sliding up. For letters, sliding up capitalize that letter. Sliding up on numbers gets you the symbol (like shift key). Slide left gives you backspace, right gives you space and down gives you enter. Everything you need is on one screen. I only wish the buttons were slightly bigger for more finger friendly use even at the expense of taking up more real estate. Also, I wish it was skinnable.
i wish PocketCM would take a look at this and come up with an alternate layout like what I described above and yet still be skinnable with bigger buttons like they have done.

superflysocal said:
What is the best keyboard SIP out there that everybody uses (that is finger friendly)?
I would like one that fits alpha and numeric on one page, finger friendly, have predictive text but not rely so much on it to function on a daily basis, and also don't cram too many functions on each key.
I know PocketCM keyboard is very popular but sometimes it doesn't work unless you install a SIP changer also. Also, I don't like the fact that numbers are not on the same screen as letters.
Touchpal and TapTap I think have big buttons but at the expense of craming too much functionality on each key and thus relying too much on predictive text.
The OEM Touch keypad/keyboard also i think is cumbersome to remember how to achieve certain numbers and symbols with too many gesture patterns. It has an option to have full number and alphabet keypad all the time but then you lose predictive text (T9).
The keyboard I find myself using the most is the default WM6 keyboard but switched to Large keys and then turn on keyboard gestures. Each key has only two functions, the default displayed function and one by sliding up. For letters, sliding up capitalize that letter. Sliding up on numbers gets you the symbol (like shift key). Slide left gives you backspace, right gives you space and down gives you enter. Everything you need is on one screen. I only wish the buttons were slightly bigger for more finger friendly use even at the expense of taking up more real estate. Also, I wish it was skinnable.
i wish PocketCM would take a look at this and come up with an alternate layout like what I described above and yet still be skinnable with bigger buttons like they have done.
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Have you tried modifying one of the existing layouts to your needs? It's just a text file.

try Resco Keyboard. Its really cool. There is only a few bugs. You can't type 28 January

happy tapping keyboard! thumb suited for asian, but i doubt for non-asian with very large thumb...

Agree 100%
superflysocal said:
The OEM Touch keypad/keyboard also i think is cumbersome to remember how to achieve certain numbers and symbols with too many gesture patterns. It has an option to have full number and alphabet keypad all the time but then you lose predictive text (T9).
The keyboard I find myself using the most is the default WM6 keyboard but switched to Large keys and then turn on keyboard gestures. Each key has only two functions, the default displayed function and one by sliding up. For letters, sliding up capitalize that letter. Sliding up on numbers gets you the symbol (like shift key). Slide left gives you backspace, right gives you space and down gives you enter. Everything you need is on one screen. I only wish the buttons were slightly bigger for more finger friendly use even at the expense of taking up more real estate. Also, I wish it was skinnable.
i wish PocketCM would take a look at this and come up with an alternate layout like what I described above and yet still be skinnable with bigger buttons like they have done.
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The standard WM6 kb with large keys and gestures enabled gives you access to everything you need all on one page.
Just needs to be slightly bigger and a little more skinnable. I wonder if there's anything out there.
Obviously PocketCM is not an option because it lacks gestures.
spbFullScreenKeyoard DID have gestures but is a bit of an odd layout. Doesn't have gestures any more although spb are thinking about it because they've had a lot of requests.
Still searching...

i like the touchpal keyboard
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Xue v.2 said:
happy tapping keyboard! thumb suited for asian, but i doubt for non-asian with very large thumb...
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What about Yao Ming?
I have seen a PCM keyboard skin with alpha and numeric on the same screen. Don't know where but I do know I saw it. PCM is the best IMHO because you can form it to almost anything.

Another vote for TouchPal. It was the only thing that moved me away from the PhonePad predictive T9.

Xue v.2 said:
happy tapping keyboard! thumb suited for asian, but i doubt for non-asian with very large thumb...
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You're joking right?

If you give PCM keyboard a chance, it actually works really really well... The layout is very customizable and the error correction works really well making it very thumb friendly.
You can also easily customize the keys to print numbers when holding down a key but I prefer the second layout for numbers.
and just use switchSIP tool to load the keyboard as the default keyboard.
I like it the beset cause it doesn't take up much screen space.

SultanH said:
Have you tried modifying one of the existing layouts to your needs? It's just a text file.
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are you talking about PocketCM or wm6 default KB?

ah, poor Xue v.2, if s/he is actually still using HappyTappingKeyboard. i find that that keyboard is still wayyy too small. PCM Keyboard (pocketcm keyboard) has come out to be a near exact copy of the iPhone's keyboard, and i mean that in a 100% positive way. you have the ability to slide your finger around to find the right letter, you can hold down on certain buttons to reach more buttons (hard to explain. but easily recognizable), and it has a great autocorrection feature (add a bigger english dictionary, i'm using one that has 57,000 US words, from the pocketcm "phorums").
That's great for show, but for work, I use TouchPal. It is just amazing, check the website that was posted in this thread earlier.

My my... ahahaha, I'm not joking or anything, I just feel that happy tapping keyboard is best suited for me. As I don't use english very much - I'm asian btw- although my gf is a native english speaker who live abroad, it doesn't matter, so I don't need that dictionary, in fact, I was looking for a real simple SIP (memory management thing, hahaha).
Any way, I'll look into pocket CM keyboard...

PocketCM if you do type a lot of non-standard english... you can have skin it to make it so that symbols and numbers are easily accessible.
touchpal is absolutely awesome if you type normal english...

Touch Pal hands down.

tonyrome6 said:
Touch Pal hands down.
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tried touchpal but too many function in 1 key makes it too hard to get use to.
I didn't know about PocketCM customization, not bad. I was able to put a symbol pad with numbers onto the space bar. I will probably map a symbol pad to each letter with its corresponding capital letter so no need for shift key. Is there a way to customize what is displayed onto each key? For instance if I want to do a row of numbers but then have it mapped to a symbol as a symbol pad, I want display that symbol on the upper right hand corner of that key so I know what key it is. Basically, I trying to mimic default WM6 KB with gesture layout.

What is the best keyboard SIP
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eurokeyboard..
imo, of coz.

PCM Keyboard is very customizable, but the time bomb is a deal breaker.

I'm alternating between touchpal and pcmkeyboard - pcmkeyboard is awesome w/ the big english dictionary (the default dictionary sucks...) - and with one of the larger skins...
Touchpal is better for quick sms's where a typo here or there doesn't really matter...
-mark

I just preferred the standard WM6 keyboard after trying out many. I even pay for Touchpal for the smaller key pads. But it is always in the middle of typing something happens that really slows things down. For example, you are sending your friend a password, when you get to the password part you have to take it out of the predictive word mode and enter the letter mode. When it get to the "." you have to enter a backspace first. When enter a person's name you have to think how to make sure it capitalize the first letter. All in all, I have been practice Touchpal but still couldn't get the hang of it. I leave it to the younger people.

Best Keyboard for the HD?

Hi I'm currently using PocketCM Keyboard which is better than the default but a bit frustrating when having to use !&- etc as you have to switch to numbers then to exclamations...
I was wondering if anyone have found a better keyboard (perhaps like the iphone with everything on the one screen) but still takes advantage of the screen size?

JetMouse, you know you can easily customise the layout of PocketCM Keyboard to suit your needs? It's as easy as editing a text file to control which symbols appear on which buttons. Since I did that it's easily become my favourite software on my Touch.

SiliconS said:
JetMouse, you know you can easily customise the layout of PocketCM Keyboard to suit your needs? It's as easy as editing a text file to control which symbols appear on which buttons. Since I did that it's easily become my favourite software on my Touch.
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No I didn't know this - can you run me through how to do it?

JetMouse said:
Hi I'm currently using PocketCM Keyboard which is better than the default but a bit frustrating when having to use !&- etc as you have to switch to numbers then to exclamations...
I was wondering if anyone have found a better keyboard (perhaps like the iphone with everything on the one screen) but still takes advantage of the screen size?
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I use SPB Keyboard (the new one, version 4.0) with fullscreen mode. The non-fullscreen mode is pretty much iphone-like. Don't know if it's "better" - to my taste the stock one is just perfect in all respects except for lack of support for Russian, which I need. Unlike most other keyboards, it has arrows which compensate the absense of the dpad on the device.

Sure thing:
Connect your PocketPC to your computer so you can browse the contents of the device.
Browse to \Program Files\PCMKeyboard
Copy English.layout (or whichever one you're using) to your computer's desktop
Make a backup of the file, just in case
Open the live file with Notepad
You can see four lines labelled keyboard_layout_#=
Edit the characters in those lines to change the symbols on the keys in PocketCM Keyboard
Each of the four lines contains a complete template for the keyboard. Rows are separated by the \n (newline) combination
There are some shortcuts to create special-purpose keys:
\2 seems to be uppercase
\1 seems to be lowercase
\b is backspace
\M is the symbol/text toggle button
\N is the enter key
There is a way of including smilies or combinations of characters on single keys, but I can't remember how. I also can't remember how to edit the row of quick symbols you see if you hold down the '123#?' button
Once you've made your changes, save the file on your computer and copy it back over to the PocketPC.
You'll need to choose a different softinput thing and then go back to PCM Keyboard to see the changes.
Don't forget to save the file somewhere in case you upgrade to a newer version of PCM Keyboard.

My favourite keyboard is Tengo. Allows very fast and forgiving typing. You might like to try it. I hope it works on Touch HD cos I have not got one to try on yet.
They have a free version, a commercial regular version, and a commercial thumb version.

the best keyboard for me is touchpal from http://www.cootek.com/
so many improvements

prospects said:
the best keyboard for me is touchpal from http://www.cootek.com/
so many improvements
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is it compatible with the TOUCH HD

Touchpal
I think Touchpal is the best.

iznee said:
is it compatible with the TOUCH HD
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I just tested it, yes it is 100% compatible.
I love this keyboard, but I am trying to get it to run using the Dutch language. It is so blazing fast and accurate in English using the suretype layout, it's not even funny. I SWEAR I cannot type faster using a hardware keyboard, simply because of the fact that it is just as accurate, has big enough keys to type blind, and you don't actually have to depress a button so... works for me
Still stuck with the trial version though...
Only thing that I still gotta get used to is switching keyboards using a finger slide, I just keep pressing buttons instead of triggering the slide really cool function though as it saves button space and basically is just cool to show people
Thanks for the tip people!
EDIT:
Got my own language it in it now, easy... Also really easy to switch languages... Just pull down the ABC key and pick one. This does reveal some non-skinned ugly winmo buttons though, even while the rest of the keyboard is Diamond skinned.

wfhowell said:
I think Touchpal is the best.
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Completely Agree, it is very usefull, Fast and easy to use Keyboard

TouchPal
I would at least try the demo of this. I personally prefer TouchPal to a Blackberry hardware keyboard. I am serious. The seplling correction and word prediction is simply amazing. Completely altered my view of software keyboards.
BTW- I am 6' 2" and weigh 220 with BIG hands, and Have been happy with TouchPal since the first Touch.

Virtual D-pad

Any programs out there that create a virtual on screen D-pad?
The lack of a hardware D-pad seems to be putting off a lot of people.
Given that virtual keyboards have D-pad arrows on them, does anyone know of any software that produces a virtual D-pad on the screen without the keyboard. This would obviously save a lot of screen realestate and provide some added functionality.
If there is no such software, would anyone be interested in programming a utility. I have no experience with programming but can assist if given help.
Thanks

I'd be interested in a tweak that turns the display in VGA, (640x480) and adds in the other 160 x480 a virtuall D-pad...
Or a tweak that turns the motion sensor into a d-pad, tough i dont think that will work with gaming......

masrinz said:
Any programs out there that create a virtual on screen D-pad?
The lack of a hardware D-pad seems to be putting off a lot of people.
Given that virtual keyboards have D-pad arrows on them, does anyone know of any software that produces a virtual D-pad on the screen without the keyboard. This would obviously save a lot of screen realestate and provide some added functionality.
If there is no such software, would anyone be interested in programming a utility. I have no experience with programming but can assist if given help.
Thanks
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Got an idea:
Perhaps some of those 3rd party keyboard softwares has user defined layouts. Than you could try to develop a layout including only the directional keys, perhaps even making them large keys. In the end you get an alternative softkeyboard as the desired soft (or virtual) d-pad.
Might be wort a try and much easier then developi9ng a completely new software.
Please report any results.

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Got an idea:
Might be wort a try and much easier then developi9ng a completely new software.
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Good idea, but I guess it's a bit more complicated than this - the virtual d-pad would be most needed in games which work in fullscreen, and the keyboards don't just pop up.

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Good idea, but I guess it's a bit more complicated than this - the virtual d-pad would be most needed in games which work in fullscreen, and the keyboards don't just pop up.
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I am using the d-pad for scrolling in texts, spreadsheets, web-browsers etc. A virtual d-pad might be useful.
And some games might use just vga resolution. As Lord.Bachus wrote, the HD's screen will give enough place for VGA plus a virtual d-pad. Therefore a virtual d-pad wil help gamers too, at least in some situations.

If the virtual D-pad is in the form of a specialised keyboard that has to be changed using, then I don't think it is a good idea at all. As you know, changing software keyboard involved too many steps. It would be much easire to simply use the arrow key on whatever keyboard you're using for that purpose. It's faster anyway.
To be truely useful, it should involve one and only one touch/click to move left or right or up or down. It should not interfere with software keyboard already there.
I'm going to explore using AEBPlus to assign the phone on, phone off, and volume button for the up/down/left/right action. I think it should be possible to rely entirely on the screen to use the phone so it is not necessary, although nice to have dedicated phone on and off buttons.

Using a moded soft keyboard is just one idea. A dedicated virtual d-pad will be a better option.
Redefining keys is another method.
Another idea is using GController software from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429569
There are many options to substitute the missing hardware d-pad.... Lets hope anyone finds the best for him-/herself.

GController is interesting SW but for reading documents it would be better to have a "gesture D-pad". Simply something what would interpret finger flicking on the screen in different directions as up,down,left, right. Of course this would not work for games but would be great for e.g. PDFs, ebooks...
anyone seen something like this?

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LGJavaKey which gives you an on-screen D-Pad
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Cool! I like this DPad as an option, doesn't look to be available anywhere though. It would be even better if it could appear when running VGA games etc. (as others have said).

all we need is the virtual D-PAD that appears in Word to be available every time the keyboard comes up, or without the keyboard.
it is especially needed with the PHONE app. I still cant figure out how to select a previously dialled partys contact WITHOUT dialling it! For example, on my Touch Pro i can scroll to the name and moving left or right select Work, Home, etc before dialling.
Come on... someone out there must know how to write such a CAB???

i have seen how others have edited the keyboard on the diamond to makeit smaller. maybe on the hd a new keyboard with only the dpad keys could be programmed. the difference with the dpad is that it is something you want constantly on screen.
maybe a little widget that floats on screen above all apps.
for those who remember there was a old ppc app called Nyditot virtual display which had floating dpad which allowed you to scroll the screen.
http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp
i dont have the programming skills but hopefully give some inspiration.

I think the problem is the single touch screen, so also if you get virtual d-pad on screen the HD recognize only one input per time, so you couldn't move a character to any direction and shoot at the same time for example...

ekerbuddyeker said:
all we need is the virtual D-PAD that appears in Word to be available every time the keyboard comes up, or without the keyboard.
it is especially needed with the PHONE app. I still cant figure out how to select a previously dialled partys contact WITHOUT dialling it! For example, on my Touch Pro i can scroll to the name and moving left or right select Work, Home, etc before dialling.
Come on... someone out there must know how to write such a CAB???
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saw a video on youtube where the guy just swiped the contact left or right with his finger, same as you would with the d-pad

ekerbuddyeker said:
It is especially needed with the PHONE app. I still cant figure out how to select a previously dialled partys contact WITHOUT dialling it! For example, on my Touch Pro i can scroll to the name and moving left or right select Work, Home, etc before dialling.
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Very annoying indeed. I had the same. Just disable the phone skin, go back to the original Windows phone. Many descriptions on how to disable the skin, but if you are not happy editing the registry, use Advanced Config Tool V3.3

ekerbuddyeker said:
all we need is the virtual D-PAD that appears in Word to be available every time the keyboard comes up, or without the keyboard.
it is especially needed with the PHONE app. I still cant figure out how to select a previously dialled partys contact WITHOUT dialling it! For example, on my Touch Pro i can scroll to the name and moving left or right select Work, Home, etc before dialling.
Come on... someone out there must know how to write such a CAB???
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You are very confusing...
"I still cant figure out how to select a previously dialled partys contact WITHOUT dialling it"
In the Phone app?? Just sweep a finger up and down over the last phoned contacts on the Phone App, the dialpad disappear immediately. Alternatively you can disable first the dialpad clicking on the phone mini-picture and then sweep the last phoned contacts.
" For example, on my Touch Pro i can scroll to the name and moving left or right select Work, Home, etc before dialling."
I aslo can can do this on Phone app, just sweep left or right over a particular phoned contact, and I get the rest of the contacts, sms emails phones etc, of that dialed contact.

There is allready a thread talking about this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460685
I think it should be like this:
Koffein Schluck said:
the idea is to program an emulator, wich opens applications in a 640x480px Frame this way its simulates a VGA screen. the 160px left can be used for virtual D-Pad. when pressing a button on the virtual D-Pad, the direction has to be send to the frame - to the application / game.
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eaglesteve said:
If the virtual D-pad is in the form of a specialised keyboard that has to be changed using, then I don't think it is a good idea at all. As you know, changing software keyboard involved too many steps. It would be much easire to simply use the arrow key on whatever keyboard you're using for that purpose. It's faster anyway.
To be truely useful, it should involve one and only one touch/click to move left or right or up or down. It should not interfere with software keyboard already there.
I'm going to explore using AEBPlus to assign the phone on, phone off, and volume button for the up/down/left/right action. I think it should be possible to rely entirely on the screen to use the phone so it is not necessary, although nice to have dedicated phone on and off buttons.
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EABPlus works just fine for scrolling up/down which is main reason I miss D-Pad. So I've assigned scroll up/down to volume up/down hardware keys. Good enough for me.
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That's a great idea. May I know which button mapper you use to assign the scroll up/down to volume up/down hardware keys? Thanks.

ebeyonder said:
That's a great idea. May I know which button mapper you use to assign the scroll up/down to volume up/down hardware keys? Thanks.
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Of course, it's AE Button Button Plus by Alex Eltsyn. Http://ae.inc.ru. It's free. It's WORTHY !!
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Compact qwerty / Suretype keyboard not on my Diamond2

Hi all,
I was under the impression that the diamond2 was supposed to come with the compact qwerty keyboard, but mine lacks that option. I only have full qwerty and phone keypad. I know there are some ports of the compact qwerty keyboards from different models but after doing some searching a lot of them seem unstable and have problems and i can't seem to find one that is supposed to work with the diamond2 (which makes sense since i guess my phone should already have it). I was just wondering if there's any way i can just download a cab file of the keyboard ported from a diamond2 & have it work successfully? Any help would be appreciated.

bb69 said:
Hi all,
I was under the impression that the diamond2 was supposed to come with the compact qwerty keyboard, but mine lacks that option. I only have full qwerty and phone keypad. I know there are some ports of the compact qwerty keyboards from different models but after doing some searching a lot of them seem unstable and have problems and i can't seem to find one that is supposed to work with the diamond2 (which makes sense since i guess my phone should already have it). I was just wondering if there's any way i can just download a cab file of the keyboard ported from a diamond2 & have it work successfully? Any help would be appreciated.
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Bump iam wanting the same cab file for my TP2 that is coming tomorrow

Hi!
For some (odd) reason HTC decided to not include the compact qwerty with the TD2. If you have a look in the documentation (I guess that few people does), only the phone keyboard and full qwerty is mentioned.
Anyway, I would suggest to install FingerKeyboard 2.1, it is far superior compared with the HTC EzInput.
Regards,
PK
bb69 said:
Hi all,
I was under the impression that the diamond2 was supposed to come with the compact qwerty keyboard, but mine lacks that option. I only have full qwerty and phone keypad. I know there are some ports of the compact qwerty keyboards from different models but after doing some searching a lot of them seem unstable and have problems and i can't seem to find one that is supposed to work with the diamond2 (which makes sense since i guess my phone should already have it). I was just wondering if there's any way i can just download a cab file of the keyboard ported from a diamond2 & have it work successfully? Any help would be appreciated.
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actually i heard ppl are saying this is rom specific
WWE roms have included the compact qwerty.

Compact QWERTY
You can try this one. It has worked for me no problem. The only thing is, it seems to also add a different full QWERTY than what was shipped, but I haven't really tried to investigate that though as I usually use compact only.
Anyways, hope it helps...credit to Hallengreen (I guess?)

berlinberlin said:
actually i heard ppl are saying this is rom specific
WWE roms have included the compact qwerty.
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I have a WWE rom on my TD2 and don't have the compact qwerty.

don't know how but someone actually have compact qwerty on their d2
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Phone keypad

harolds said:
Phone keypad
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my bad.
do you have this on your d2?

Yes, in Word Mobile I just selected the up arrow at the bottom and selected Phone Keypad instead of full qwerty

berlinberlin said:
don't know how but someone actually have compact qwerty on their d2
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AMAZING!!! You made my day, mate... Thx!

This is the keyboard I really want:
Where can I get this as a downloadable CAB?
The (otherwise excellent) custom cooked ROM I'm using (Creds to udK!) lacks this keyboard as far as I can tell.
Thanks,
Jay

The keyboard you are looking for is the standard WM keyboard. It is listed as "Keyboard" right below the other two options "Phone keypad" and "Full QWERTY" on my TD2. It works but doesn't list the auto completion words like it did in earlier WM editions. I have searched these forums to find a cab file I can install to enable the regular keyboard to list the auto completion words but haven't found anything yet. The search goes on....

Actually, I don't have the "Keyboard" keyboard
On my udK (R4, I think) build, the available keyboards do not include "Keyboard". They include only Phone Keypad, Compact QWERTY, and Full QWERTY.
"About" on the keyboard selector shows "Touch Input for Pocket PC, Version 2.1 (Build 1917.2422)".
Is there a registry setting somewhere to unhide the normal "Keyboard" keyboard? .. or is this build simply missing it entirely?
Thanks,
Jay

libove said:
On my udK (R4, I think) build, the available keyboards do not include "Keyboard". They include only Phone Keypad, Compact QWERTY, and Full QWERTY.
"About" on the keyboard selector shows "Touch Input for Pocket PC, Version 2.1 (Build 1917.2422)".
Is there a registry setting somewhere to unhide the normal "Keyboard" keyboard? .. or is this build simply missing it entirely?
Thanks,
Jay
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The ROM must not include this keyboard variant which I believe is standard Windows Mobile.
Tony

GAR6 said:
The keyboard you are looking for is the standard WM keyboard. It is listed as "Keyboard" right below the other two options "Phone keypad" and "Full QWERTY" on my TD2. It works but doesn't list the auto completion words like it did in earlier WM editions. I have searched these forums to find a cab file I can install to enable the regular keyboard to list the auto completion words but haven't found anything yet. The search goes on....
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I am sure that at least one of the following can enable this:
- adv config
- HD Tweak
- Diamond Tweak
I am not 100% sure the names are correct but they are close. there is an option whereby you can choose the number of words for auto completion and voila!
HTH
Tony

No .CAB to replace the Keyboard software?
Thanks for the pointers. I have Adv Config already; it does not offer anything to enable the standard WM keyboard. (It always shows the keyboard layout as "custom", no matter what).
Diamond Tweak doesn't have anything for this.
Is there not a standard WM keyboard .CAB that I can simply install on my device?
Cheers,
Jay

Found it
Okay, the default keyboard really is in there, though for reasons I don't understand, the keyboard configurator in udK's otherwise truly excellent ROMs hide it quite completely.
To expose it, set these registry entries:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}]
"ShiftLock"=dword:00000000
"KBMode"=dword:00000003
@="Keyboard"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}\InprocServer32]
@="msim.dll"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}\IsSIPInputMethod]
@="1"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}\DefaultIcon]
@="msim.dll,0"
And then to actually select it, set:
Key "HKCU\ControlPanel\SIP\Default Im"
to Value "{42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9}")
The ClsId {42429667-ae04-11d0-a4f8-00aa00a749b9} is the default MS Windows Mobile keyboard. The KBMode=3 sets the version of the default keyboard which does not show space, shift, lock, backspace or enter keys, instead requiring swipes to execute any of those, and takes advantage of the extra room freed up to have the full bar of numers and symbols on top, reducing the occurrences of having to shift in to a different mode to get a particular character. Slide-up on any key enters the cap/shift version of that key. I happen to like this variant; the fully default "default" keyboard is found with KBMode=0; a particularly busy keyboard which has everything I like in mode 3, plus still has the space, shift, lock, backspace and enter keys, making everything really small.
What I'd like as a really wonderful add-on to this default keyboard is the very nice trick of the Full QWERTY keyboard of being able to hold down a particular key and get a pop-up of a bunch of alternatives, especially (since I live in Spain) things like holding down 'n' to get the option of ñ, holding down 'c' to get the option of ç, etc.
Anyone know how to pull off that neat trick?
Thanks!
Jay

And how to re-add the default keyboard to the selector?
Oh, one more thing... clearly, the selector of keyboards can be modified, since udK's ROMs modify it to NOT show the default keyboard.
How do I modify the selector (back) so that it again does offer the default keyboard, instead of just Phone, Compact QWERTY, and Full QWERTY?
For another ROM, I saw a reference to a keyboard configuration .mscr file in the \Windows directory, but there is no such file on my Topaz with udK's ROMs.
Thanks,
Jay

libove said:
And how to re-add the default keyboard to the selector?
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Has anybody had any luck on this subject? I'm using Duttys Leo R4, and it has the Full Qwerty and the Compact Qwerty keyboard, but not the default WM keyboard.
I have tried the reg entries in libove's post. That enabled the standard wm keyboard once, but after switching to compact qwerty keyboard and back to full qwerty keyboard it was gone and wouldn't come back. The registry isn't changed back however.
I would like the wm default keyboard to be available in the keyboard selector. I use it every now and then, when I need special chars like é or CTRL-c etc.