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x86 emulator for PocketPC

I'm looking for some x86 emulator that works on Windows Mobile 5 or 6. I used Pocket Bochs, but it doesnt work on my Qtek9100 with WM 5 nor WM 6. Is there any way how to run it on WM5/6 or is there some other x86 emulator for WM5/6? Google didnt found anything else than Pocket Bochs.

Pulsedriver_cz said:
I'm looking for some x86 emulator that works on Windows Mobile 5 or 6. I used Pocket Bochs, but it doesnt work on my Qtek9100 with WM 5 nor WM 6. Is there any way how to run it on WM5/6 or is there some other x86 emulator for WM5/6? Google didnt found anything else than Pocket Bochs.
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plz NO MORE BOCHS name EVER!
there are some other versions and builds of x86 emulators...
dosboxes by n0p - ok on wizard,
n0p cvs build(only which lead me to launch fallout on ppc..13 mb RAM!, master of orion playable, even HOMM was ok, settlers in 800x600, settlers 2...and playable jack jazz rabbit ) - works ok on wizard,
n0p dosbox xscale optimised - cant remember if its ok on wizard,
dosbox 6.1 - didnt want to try,
dosbox for wm03se - i cant find it on HDD...
some older dosboxes(arent optimised),
pdosbox 1.1 - forget it..,
pdosbox 2.0 - damn fast DAMN unstable....didnt test it on wizard
pckdos(made as pdosbox 2.x, more stable than 2.0)-seems to be quite slow on wizard, best mouse control,
pocketdos(fast 286, until 386/486 plugins used, then slow like bochs, i launched fallout on that 1 too ...)....works fine on wizard...
qemm- did not test...
3/4 of speed is to set PROPER cfg options.... so if its slow... its wrong set, or you are trying to make it on improper device ...
i am on wizard now, i was earlier on 400 mhz xscale...trust me wizard is slow with pc emus, always , but dosbox cvs seems to be fastest...when we are talking about usability.
for 286 pocketdos may be best...though.
btw, do not waste time with 195 mhz..lol... start from 243-273 mhz ...
link to dosboxes by n0p..:
http://n0p.tonych.info/?Welcome
btw - theres port of WARCRAFT 2 too, and ONLY sega mega drive emulator, that is able to run EU roms(pirates, cannon fodder, lemmings, lemmings tribes, etc)...
n0p is great.

Guys and gals, don’t forget to check out my brand new, MS-DOS / x86 emulation-related article at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1276884
(Sorry for flooding – IMHO, this article certainly deserves attention because it answers ALL the questions a Windows Mobile user may want to EVER ask about emulating MS-DOS. Make sure you read it!)

wow, respect, seems to be very interesting article!

Windows 95 or 98se emulation?

Is there currently a working emulator for either of these operating systems available for windows mobile 6?
I've tried searching all I can and have found no answers yet.

HAHAHAHAHahahahah.... ah, but seriously, no.

TylerC161 said:
Is there currently a working emulator for either of these operating systems available for windows mobile 6?
I've tried searching all I can and have found no answers yet.
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Do you realize thats the equivalent of asking if my pc can emulate a cray mainframe? Running one windows 95 program would use up all the memory and cpu your entire phone has and then some.
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..the pentium is 1000 times faster and keep in mind the average phone has 20-30 meg of memory...the average pc...ok..even a dog old pentium 150 typically had 128 meg of ram available.
Now do you see why the first poster is laughing at you?

famewolf said:
Do you realize thats the equivalent of asking if my pc can emulate a cray mainframe? Running one windows 95 program would use up all the memory and cpu your entire phone has and then some.
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..the pentium is 1000 times faster and keep in mind the average phone has 20-30 meg of memory...the average pc...ok..even a dog old pentium 150 typically had 128 meg of ram available.
Now do you see why the first poster is laughing at you?
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I had a pentium 90 with 16mb ram.
but anyway, I've seen someone running windows 95 on a pocket pc
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
dont know if it works on wm6 but it looks like you need a large storage card, a lot of patience, a great cpu, lots of memory and a vga screen at least.
good luck

Its not so hard to believe is it?
I had it running on my PSP, so why not my ppc?
Okay, well in that case, whats the best software to access your PC through the internet on your ppc? I used to have this software that worked via wifi for my PSP that would let me operate my windows machine with the psp, but I cant remember its name, and thats not QUITE what im looking for. I want one that will work NON wifi as well

you can use pocketdos or dosbox with bochs plugin to make win95 work. Nevertheless you wont get any decent speed on it.

TylerC161 said:
Its not so hard to believe is it?
Okay, well in that case, whats the best software to access your PC through the internet on your ppc? I used to have this software that worked via wifi for my PSP that would let me operate my windows machine with the psp, but I cant remember its name, and thats not QUITE what im looking for. I want one that will work NON wifi as well
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You are probably referring to VNC and there are plenty of clients that run on ppc.

LlamaV3 said:
I had a pentium 90 with 16mb ram.
but anyway, I've seen someone running windows 95 on a pocket pc
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
dont know if it works on wm6 but it looks like you need a large storage card, a lot of patience, a great cpu, lots of memory and a vga screen at least.
good luck
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Yep and your gonna trash the storage card in a short amount of time due to all the read/writes since it's basically using it as a huge swapfile.

there's the emulator of win32-x86 for win32-arm platform. it called wow86 and developed by GreateVK. it is not ready-to-use product yet. but it successfully run some (even simple) x86-applications without modifications.
p.s. wow86 and applications should be placed into the root folder of your device

famewolf said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..
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the PSP has a lesser speed MIPS processor than some of the available ppc's today.
MIPS being the old one we don't use anymore.
and look at what IT can do, without anything but that to run it's games.
and take a look at the NEC MobilePro 900C.
it has an Intel PXA255 400MHz processor, and runs windows ce .net 4.2.
which basically has the same interface as windows xp with classic skins and does alot of the same things (e.g. the full desktop ms office apps).
i think we underestimate the possibility of today's pxa270 624mhz processors and the mobile graphics chips.
but yer, pocketdos and the likes have shown to run windows 95 and 98.
if they were more optimized it could be a possibility to run basic apps and find a way to convert the instruction set to run more complicated apps.

"(e.g. the full desktop ms office apps)."
maybe more full then the office mobile
but i doubt ms would ever compile a full office
nor a full windows for the arm based instructionset
the asm codes are not the same
all the software needs a full recompile to work
unless a full emulator is being used
the maintaince expenses for ms to make something like that
would be staggering
when ms first made windows CE all devices which had CE had the same GUI as NEC MobilePro 900C
but nobody was buying the devices people pref'd the palm way of operating their pda's
so ms made pocketpc series
this was not a step down it was a step besides
CE is not any closer to real windows then pocketpc series it's just different
it's the same core it's the same everything but imput and gui

chrismrulz said:
the PSP has a lesser speed MIPS processor than some of the available ppc's today.
MIPS being the old one we don't use anymore.
and look at what IT can do, without anything but that to run it's games.
and take a look at the NEC MobilePro 900C.
it has an Intel PXA255 400MHz processor, and runs windows ce .net 4.2.
which basically has the same interface as windows xp with classic skins and does alot of the same things (e.g. the full desktop ms office apps).
i think we underestimate the possibility of today's pxa270 624mhz processors and the mobile graphics chips.
but yer, pocketdos and the likes have shown to run windows 95 and 98.
if they were more optimized it could be a possibility to run basic apps and find a way to convert the instruction set to run more complicated apps.
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All very true..but the person asking has a tmobile wing which is a 200 mhz arm chip. The low end of the spectrum (I should know as I have the MDA which is the same chip) and it's gonna run a PC emulator like that CRAPPY as all get out. It has a hard enough time emulating a gameboy. Also in the end would still be easier to "optimize" the code into a ppc version then to try to run bloated regular windows programs where they stopped caring about resources a long time ago.

Rudegar said:
"(e.g. the full desktop ms office apps)."
maybe more full then the office mobile
but i doubt ms would ever compile a full office
nor a full windows for the arm based instructionset
the asm codes are not the same
all the software needs a full recompile to work
unless a full emulator is being used
the maintaince expenses for ms to make something like that
would be staggering
when ms first made windows CE all devices which had CE had the same GUI as NEC MobilePro 900C
but nobody was buying the devices people pref'd the palm way of operating their pda's
so ms made pocketpc series
this was not a step down it was a step besides
CE is not any closer to real windows then pocketpc series it's just different
it's the same core it's the same everything but imput and gui
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If you want the full version of MS Office, you can try porting Open Office (http://www.openoffice.org or http://porting.openoffice.org) to Windows Mobile. I'm sure a lot of us here at XDA-Developers would like to see that happen.

i guess that it would be easier to compile it for linux on our phones
being that i think the wm win32 stk is more limited then linux is terms
of which components are alowed

Windows 95 programme on Athena? help?

Hi Guys,
i am trying to get a Win95 programme, specifically Panzer general working on my athena, using PB Dual 3.0...not seeming to have alot of luck, got the protected msg error with pocketdos...
i cant seem to find a way, its a way old programme and the athena is 10x more powerful then min specs in every way
any help?

a 400Mhz arm based cpu cant hold a cantle to a 400Mhz x86 cpu
mhz is not everything

is there no way? i mean the programme has been ported for palm, it only required a 66mhz iirc, i am sure a 600mhz must be able to cope with it?
iirc correctly it ran with dos 6 too!

Emulator which runs Windows Apps?

hello,
is there any emulator/software, which can run windows programs on pocketpc? i dont mean big programs. just small ones (< 500 kb or so)

same reason we are not likely to see a ps3 emulator for old commodore 64 home computers from the 80's
this is not likely to happen an arm based cpu is nowhere as powerful as an x86 cpu which windows run on even if they are the same mhz
again windows handle too little memory by swapping mem onto it's harddisk is which is something that is not possible on the windows mobile platform
pocketdosBox is as close as you get i believe

DocMAX said:
hello,
is there any emulator/software, which can run windows programs on pocketpc? i dont mean big programs. just small ones (< 500 kb or so)
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(i know its the wrong forum, but im gonna answer anyway )
hi,
you mean like wine on linux? im pretty sure this would work on a win98 install on bochs, just search the forum for the thread and do it. would consume a little more RAM tho.

Somebody had Win3.11 running under pocketDOS. The easier thing is to just run RDP or VNC and be able to run everything on your desktop.

PS3 emulator on C64 is a harsh analogy for this. I've run Win95 on the Toshiba G900 though it wasn't fast enough to be useful for anything

You can try Bochs and Win95 as mentioned.. I remember myself trying it on my old FSC PocketLOOX N520 (50MB RAM, 312MHz) and it worked - very slow, for normal every day work unusable, but it worked.

Thinking of buying a HTC shift

Hello i collect old phones like htc advantage and other winmo and nokia devices.
But the shift is still kinda expensive.
I have an oppurtunity to buy one for 100 euro.
Point is i like to play with those devices alot.
At the moment i am trying to get truevga and mods on the advantage.
But is the Shift still capable?
I mean 800mHz is quite underpowered. Will it play youtube at lets say 720p fullscreen?
I understand it isnt capable of full hd streamin.
And what about games.
i like to play older games anything from need for speed (up till underground so 1-6)
And emulators? especially n64 because its the heaviest one i am planning to use.
Its quite alot of money for such old device and on ebay i didnt find anything to compare the price with
so valuewise is it worth it? 100euro is like 115 dollar with todays course.
the device itself is practically unused but comes formatted so i have to install windows.
I do this alot on laptops and pcs. and i am also no stranger in flashing winmo and android so i dont expect to run into any problems if there is still support and i can find drivers and stufff
I hope some of my questions can be answered.

wow its really a low activity device
no one got any tips?

100 Euro is quite a good price. On eBay it's usually much more expensive.
One thing you have to keep in mind is the RAM size- you'll have to get a
214 pin 2GB to make Shift run nearly satisfying.
Like this one:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/2GB-DDR2-214...y-HTC-SHIFT-/190400263728?hash=item2c54bd7630
Unfortunately i have never found a 4GB RAM version.

Thx for reply
thats quite expensive for 2gb ram...
So can it run youtube...
i havent decided yet if i am gonna do it or not
it includes a dmg 01 gameboy.. so it makes it kinda tempting
i already have a broad collection of phones en pre tablet tablets
i will reply when i get it.

sooo i bought it.
Really nice device
didnt came with windows though
so i installed windows 7.
got the drivers working even with 5 year old threads here with dead links
Touchscreen is working
but wifi isnt. So i think the wifi was switched off in vista...
thats not my big issue it wasnt my plaaning to use the wifi because of the performance of this device.
So i will check that some other time.
What i do want to have solved is a bigger problem. I m trying to install some light games en emulators on there.
First up N64. Runs windowed. not great but playable but when i try to go fullscreen i get BSOD. 2times in a row and then windows wouldnt start so i had to run the startup repair. Now its working again. Just not in fullscreen...
Other problem is with retro city rampage this game isnt even 3d.
it seems to start but the moment it switches to fullscreen i get the BSOD instantly...
Is this a driver problem? i recall i have read somewhere that u shoudlnt update the intel gma driver but i could not find this post. and i dont know if i have done this or not i would need version numbers...
Maybe im 2years late ;P but i hope someone will know the answer.
in the meantime i have a GB DMG01 to play with and mod.

Is it such a legacy device that no one uses it anymore?

I have a Shift and I found Vista to be unusable compared to Ubuntu Hardy (8.04). I've heard better things about Win7 and even Win10, but at the end of the day, the machine has its hardware limits and at least for me, that precluded even Vista.
Hardy , through pof's magic, allows everything to run, even the 3G (if you have the SIM), and it's quite zippy. I don't game, but perhaps ubuntu (circa 2008) has enough games available. Of course, you could run Wine, but that can be a can of worms for certain MS software.
Though I run MS Word 97, HanDBase, and a couple of other MS apps without problem in Hardy.
Prolly best to stay away from heavy graphics. Maybe Leisure Suit Larry
Jake

I fixed the BSOD problem by reinstalling windows 7 and NOT installed the gpu driver update.
It runs like a breeze
GTA3 and vice city i can play on low settings but no lagg at al!
And the n64 emulator i get 60fps in fullscreen.
I would recommmend 7 to anyone with this device.
Only the wifi is not working because it was turned off in vista and i read its a hell of alot of work to turn it on without vista.
problem is i bought it without windows so i couldnt turn it on.
But its better for me saves alot off battery

This is pof's htc shift panel for Windows that controls wifi/bt/etc. I don't know if it works in Win7, but you can research to see if it's what you want before actually trying it out.
http://pof.eslack.org/2008/05/31/hsect-htc-shift-embedded-controller-toolkit/
Jake

Hey man thx for the tip
will try this when i get home from work.
ill report later

Ok wow
i need some program called cygwin
if i try to open it i get cygwin1.dll is missing
so im working on it

i found the program wil install it tonite and report back

Excellent. I'll be glad to hear that it works.
Jake

Hmm cygwin installed without any problems.
But now it asks for cygioperm-0.dll when i try to launch it.
i need to install ioperm says the readme but it seems i cant find it...
This is some kind of addon right?

Huh, dunno what those files are. Here are the Vista drivers, etc:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzqfCViUrpr6UkVkY2lTLUIxSGs&usp=sharing
For Vista, the shagctrl program does wifi/bt/etc. you could try installing that and see if that gives you the missing .dlls/etc. It may run on its own, I just don't know. I have Vista on a partition, the shagctrl works, but I never use Vista/Windows.
Jake

shagctrl doesnt work in windows 7
only for resolution siwtch.
i got the hsect from this google drive page u gave me.
its same same download i found.
but this is in the readme.
HTC Shift Embedded Controller Toolkit
(c) 2008 Pau Oliva Fora - pof @ <eslack.org>
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To build from source:
LINUX with GTK libraries:
# make gtk
LINUX without GTK libraries:
# make nogtk
WINDOWS with GTK libraries:
# make win32gtk
WINDOWS without GTK libraries:
# make win32
WINDOWS NOTES:
The windows version needs CYGWIN (http://cygwin.com) with "ioperm" support.
Open a cygwin shell and run "ioperm -i" to install the ioperm.sys driver.
when i type ioperm-i it doesnt recognize it as a legal command...
i am gonna try it tonite if i connect it to the internet with cable.
But otherwise i think i skipped a step somewhere.... will let u know.
I just run windows for the games.
its a pretty capable device for its specs.
GTA3 without problems.
Carmageddon tdr 2000
n64
all runs perfect

If you can't rebuild it, I suppose you could get a Hardy 8.04.1 (no higher) livecd, repartition and dual boot with Hardy (with pof's shagctrl) and Windows.
I don't believe you can install pof's shag with a livecd only (pof calls for a reboot), though MAYBE, you could install shag and only switch on wifi/bt without a reboot, I dunno.
Hardy is certainly snappier than Windows, but your needs don't seem to match what Hardy can do. Though dual booting is always cool.
Jake

Haha XD that is an option indeed.
But if i switch wifi on once i wouldnt be able to turn it off in windows right?
I want to preserve battery power whenever is necessary.
When i installed cygwin i noticed i could choose any packages and addons tobe installed
maybe i reinstall cygwin first and i can find this ioperm addon

Once wifi was turned on, I think you could disable its driver in Windows in the systray.

Ok i wil look into that.
First i keep trying to find ioperm for cygwin and how to add it
now when i open hsect it says cygwinioperm1.dll missing not exactly but close.
I dont get the option when i reintall cygwin. Also there isnt really a uninstall button... not in control panel not in the root folder.