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Emulation - What are you using?

I have tried the snes emulator and I have not been able to get zelda to run on it... is there some reason it runs like crap on my mda... perhaps im not using the proper version of snes or perhaps I dont have a good rom even..
I have it overclocked and still get an unplayable game....
perhaps setting tweaks or something...
im about to load gba emulator and see how that works for me...
please anyone else using any game emulators please let me know
or if you even have a fun game also let me know
thanks everyone
-James
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yeah I just tried pocket GBA and I cant get that to run well either...
it does however run way better than the snes emu atleast for zelda...
I have yet to try other roms

Try the SNES emulator on page 4 of
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50806&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
You will need to use total commander or similar to change the language from Japanese to English
You will also need to overclock your device. The Omap tool is available on this site.

awesome thanks...
yeah I just needed the newer snes emulator...
works great

Make sure you also read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306444 for the latest info & a lot of tips & compatibility info on SNES emulators.

i just read post title...
i am using on wizard with no problem:
emu -whats that - overall speed - test title
pocketatari - atari xl emu - 100% on wizard - NUMEN
pocketcommodore - c64 - 100% on wizard - FIRE TRAP, BUBBLE BOBBLE, BOULDER DASH,
castce - atari ST emu - 100% - STUNT CAR RACER!
scummvm/pocketscumm - 100% - monkey island, benetah a steel sky,
dosbox - pc emu by nop cvs build 0.63 - ROBBO, DUNE, SETTLERS
finalburn - NEOGEO, CPS1,CPS2 emu - 100% (!!!!!!!) - samurai showdown, The Last Blade, !pang 3, BLAZING STAR, metal slugs, GOLDEN AXEs, marvel vs capcom...
mophnun - some kind..of..phone(?) games - 100% - 3d titles - da vinci code, etc
pcmame04a - mame emu - 90-100% - for BUBBLE BOBBLE only!
morphgear - all in one - gba,snes,gb gbc etc etc... - 70-100% - snes too slow, gba...forget bout it...
pocketdos - 286 pc emu - 20-100% - dune, experiments with windows 3.0 etc..
pocketsnes - snes emuls - depend on version 20-70% w/ sound, 100% w/out sound - masteralls' build is fastest one for omaps, on xscale machines n0ps' is BEST one... - EARTHBOUND, cHRONO TRIGGER
picodrive - sega genesis - 100% but ists not as compatible as GENPP by n0p' - which can lauch PAL titles as lemmings, megalomania etc...
GENPP - sega emu slower than picodrive ..but look above - DIZZY
pocketnesters - fast gb gbc emus - boulder dash
testing:
smartgear - gb gbc sega etc emu - ...% - MOTHER 1, boulder dash
and many many more
i could write more info + links and advices, if You are interested...i just have no time right now...
i have .. quite a lot builds and versions..safe, ready to lauch..i.e. dosbox - 7 versions, diff builds.
btw, can you imagine, that launching FALLOUT is possible? n0p dosbox cvs is able to have 13 mb mem , not 8 as rest.
emufanatic,
xoen/nothin

Guys and gals, don’t forget to check out my brand new, MS-DOS / x86 emulation-related article at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1276884
(Sorry for flooding – IMHO, this article certainly deserves attention because it answers ALL the questions a Windows Mobile user may want to EVER ask about emulating MS-DOS. Make sure you read it!)

try morhgear. not freeware, but the best one i use.
http://fms.komkon.org/MorphGear/

mprPhgear is damn slow on OMAP's.

Windows 95 on Pocket PC

there was i a way of doing so long ago
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?threadid=3660
but moust of the links sfrom there are dead or Outdated !
any sugestions of were to gell all i need ?
ie Bochs emulator that works on WM5 etc

niet, forget it....
do you have wizard?
forget it.
bochsppc was made for that screen(hheh)..
forget it.
you may think about win3.1, but believe me...forget about it too.
Wizard can hardly allow dos text mode imo..
btw, i am amazed, that you aren't looking onto Russian foras ...
You have BEST foras i could find...many talented people there...
http://forum.pocketz.ru/ - Эмуляция, (btw, my account's xoen there)...
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php - Эмуляторы (didn't want to register me :S ).

i got Treo 750 WM5
i got the screen resolution Nyditot Virtual Display to run so it feels like huge screen but u have to scroll through it
and win 95 have sys requirement of "Preferred: Pentium 75Mhz or higher"
i think 300Mhz CPU even on emulater cen handel these (i hope)
and these link in the first post was on of the first from google search

vladimir2989 said:
i got Treo 750 WM5
i got the screen resolution Nyditot Virtual Display to run so it feels like huge screen but u have to scroll through it
and win 95 have sys requirement of "Preferred: Pentium 75Mhz or higher"
i think 300Mhz CPU even on emulater cen handel these (i hope)
and these link in the first post was on of the first from google search
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you are new in matter, don't you?
your 300, 400, 620 mhz is nothing comparing to x86..believe me. add 4x more gfx data to compute(nyditot).
400 mhz xscale is like 16 mhz 386 in x86 emulated environment(MINUS that 386 gfx speed of course and on dosbox ONLY, 'cause bochs is SLOWERRRR)...
well.. circa about.
max emulated mem is ok, 13 mb with n0p's dosbox, but you won't be able to launch w95 on it(i launched dos fallout with it..hheh.).
bochs may launch w95, but you will have time to drink big coffee(or get nap) to get onto w95 desktop.
And then you will feel pain, cause there's NO KEYBOARD support(as far as i know..).
When u will see desktop, your battery say AAAAAAArgh.
Good luck with installing w95 of course....
win3.1 installation is taking 35 minutes or so? installation of total commander for 3.1 took >20 minutes.
I gave you links, you will find preinstalled win there(made on pc bochs).
go and have fun...
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=44701
sorry for destroying your vision of having UMPC,...no way.
all you can have from pc on ppc - some old games/dos soft. settlers 1 ,2, colonization..etc.

nothin is speaking the absolute truth about this software. I tried this on my old x50v and even with the 624mhz processor an old 486/66 with 16 megs ram made it look like a joke.

Oh well im givig up th idea
to much to do for it and i dought i will be sucessfull
for start i cant find win95
not tlaking of the rest of the tools i will need

why not just use simple OS if you want something like a windowed operating system, works but still a bit buggy

Windows 95 or 98se emulation?

Is there currently a working emulator for either of these operating systems available for windows mobile 6?
I've tried searching all I can and have found no answers yet.

HAHAHAHAHahahahah.... ah, but seriously, no.

TylerC161 said:
Is there currently a working emulator for either of these operating systems available for windows mobile 6?
I've tried searching all I can and have found no answers yet.
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Do you realize thats the equivalent of asking if my pc can emulate a cray mainframe? Running one windows 95 program would use up all the memory and cpu your entire phone has and then some.
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..the pentium is 1000 times faster and keep in mind the average phone has 20-30 meg of memory...the average pc...ok..even a dog old pentium 150 typically had 128 meg of ram available.
Now do you see why the first poster is laughing at you?

famewolf said:
Do you realize thats the equivalent of asking if my pc can emulate a cray mainframe? Running one windows 95 program would use up all the memory and cpu your entire phone has and then some.
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..the pentium is 1000 times faster and keep in mind the average phone has 20-30 meg of memory...the average pc...ok..even a dog old pentium 150 typically had 128 meg of ram available.
Now do you see why the first poster is laughing at you?
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I had a pentium 90 with 16mb ram.
but anyway, I've seen someone running windows 95 on a pocket pc
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
dont know if it works on wm6 but it looks like you need a large storage card, a lot of patience, a great cpu, lots of memory and a vga screen at least.
good luck

Its not so hard to believe is it?
I had it running on my PSP, so why not my ppc?
Okay, well in that case, whats the best software to access your PC through the internet on your ppc? I used to have this software that worked via wifi for my PSP that would let me operate my windows machine with the psp, but I cant remember its name, and thats not QUITE what im looking for. I want one that will work NON wifi as well

you can use pocketdos or dosbox with bochs plugin to make win95 work. Nevertheless you wont get any decent speed on it.

TylerC161 said:
Its not so hard to believe is it?
Okay, well in that case, whats the best software to access your PC through the internet on your ppc? I used to have this software that worked via wifi for my PSP that would let me operate my windows machine with the psp, but I cant remember its name, and thats not QUITE what im looking for. I want one that will work NON wifi as well
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You are probably referring to VNC and there are plenty of clients that run on ppc.

LlamaV3 said:
I had a pentium 90 with 16mb ram.
but anyway, I've seen someone running windows 95 on a pocket pc
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
dont know if it works on wm6 but it looks like you need a large storage card, a lot of patience, a great cpu, lots of memory and a vga screen at least.
good luck
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Yep and your gonna trash the storage card in a short amount of time due to all the read/writes since it's basically using it as a huge swapfile.

there's the emulator of win32-x86 for win32-arm platform. it called wow86 and developed by GreateVK. it is not ready-to-use product yet. but it successfully run some (even simple) x86-applications without modifications.
p.s. wow86 and applications should be placed into the root folder of your device

famewolf said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking a 200mhz arm processor = 200mhz pentium..
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the PSP has a lesser speed MIPS processor than some of the available ppc's today.
MIPS being the old one we don't use anymore.
and look at what IT can do, without anything but that to run it's games.
and take a look at the NEC MobilePro 900C.
it has an Intel PXA255 400MHz processor, and runs windows ce .net 4.2.
which basically has the same interface as windows xp with classic skins and does alot of the same things (e.g. the full desktop ms office apps).
i think we underestimate the possibility of today's pxa270 624mhz processors and the mobile graphics chips.
but yer, pocketdos and the likes have shown to run windows 95 and 98.
if they were more optimized it could be a possibility to run basic apps and find a way to convert the instruction set to run more complicated apps.

"(e.g. the full desktop ms office apps)."
maybe more full then the office mobile
but i doubt ms would ever compile a full office
nor a full windows for the arm based instructionset
the asm codes are not the same
all the software needs a full recompile to work
unless a full emulator is being used
the maintaince expenses for ms to make something like that
would be staggering
when ms first made windows CE all devices which had CE had the same GUI as NEC MobilePro 900C
but nobody was buying the devices people pref'd the palm way of operating their pda's
so ms made pocketpc series
this was not a step down it was a step besides
CE is not any closer to real windows then pocketpc series it's just different
it's the same core it's the same everything but imput and gui

chrismrulz said:
the PSP has a lesser speed MIPS processor than some of the available ppc's today.
MIPS being the old one we don't use anymore.
and look at what IT can do, without anything but that to run it's games.
and take a look at the NEC MobilePro 900C.
it has an Intel PXA255 400MHz processor, and runs windows ce .net 4.2.
which basically has the same interface as windows xp with classic skins and does alot of the same things (e.g. the full desktop ms office apps).
i think we underestimate the possibility of today's pxa270 624mhz processors and the mobile graphics chips.
but yer, pocketdos and the likes have shown to run windows 95 and 98.
if they were more optimized it could be a possibility to run basic apps and find a way to convert the instruction set to run more complicated apps.
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All very true..but the person asking has a tmobile wing which is a 200 mhz arm chip. The low end of the spectrum (I should know as I have the MDA which is the same chip) and it's gonna run a PC emulator like that CRAPPY as all get out. It has a hard enough time emulating a gameboy. Also in the end would still be easier to "optimize" the code into a ppc version then to try to run bloated regular windows programs where they stopped caring about resources a long time ago.

Rudegar said:
"(e.g. the full desktop ms office apps)."
maybe more full then the office mobile
but i doubt ms would ever compile a full office
nor a full windows for the arm based instructionset
the asm codes are not the same
all the software needs a full recompile to work
unless a full emulator is being used
the maintaince expenses for ms to make something like that
would be staggering
when ms first made windows CE all devices which had CE had the same GUI as NEC MobilePro 900C
but nobody was buying the devices people pref'd the palm way of operating their pda's
so ms made pocketpc series
this was not a step down it was a step besides
CE is not any closer to real windows then pocketpc series it's just different
it's the same core it's the same everything but imput and gui
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If you want the full version of MS Office, you can try porting Open Office (http://www.openoffice.org or http://porting.openoffice.org) to Windows Mobile. I'm sure a lot of us here at XDA-Developers would like to see that happen.

i guess that it would be easier to compile it for linux on our phones
being that i think the wm win32 stk is more limited then linux is terms
of which components are alowed

[Q] PocketDOS on X1

I've installed PocketDOS 1.12.1 with FREEDOS on my X1. PocketDOS runs just fine and shows my storage card as c: - which is good.
Now I'm trying to get my favourite oldschool DOS game running, One Must Fall (OMF). Here, a problem occurs where it states that an error occured at *hex code*. aka, it doesn't run as DOS normally would. (and yes, I've tested OMF, it works fine on my PC) I've also tried x486 emulator, but OMF sais that no 486 is detected.
Has anyone gotten a DOS emulator running properly? I'd love to play this game on my X1.

Angelusz said:
I've installed PocketDOS 1.12.1 with FREEDOS on my X1. PocketDOS runs just fine and shows my storage card as c: - which is good.
Now I'm trying to get my favourite oldschool DOS game running, One Must Fall (OMF). Here, a problem occurs where it states that an error occured at *hex code*. aka, it doesn't run as DOS normally would. (and yes, I've tested OMF, it works fine on my PC) I've also tried x486 emulator, but OMF sais that no 486 is detected.
Has anyone gotten a DOS emulator running properly? I'd love to play this game on my X1.
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Give me a hint where I can get the game and i'll test it on my PocketDOS setup.

I have no idea where I got it from, but I'm pretty sure it's shareware.
How about you share your pocketDOS setup?

Sure
Angelusz said:
I have no idea where I got it from, but I'm pretty sure it's shareware.
How about you share your pocketDOS setup?
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Sure thing, what exactly do you want sharing?
I'll go google the game and ty it out first, no point wasting time if it doesnt work.

Ok
I just installed it and it works fine with sound off. If I enable sound i get a runtime error, but with about 10 sound card options to choose plus having to manually chose the IRQ and DMA channel it was unlikely I was going to get it right first time any way.
There is also an update for the game that was STRONGLY recommended, I'll install that now too and see if it still works.
P.S. It's currently running pretty slow.

Alright. Good to see that at least you've gotten it to work.
What version of PocketDOS are you using, any addons? I'm using 1.12.1 with FREEDOS. Also tried the x468 plugin, but that didn't work properly.
Perhaps the OMF I've got isn't any good for the PPC..

Angelusz said:
Alright. Good to see that at least you've gotten it to work.
What version of PocketDOS are you using, any addons? I'm using 1.12.1 with FREEDOS. Also tried the x468 plugin, but that didn't work properly.
Perhaps the OMF I've got isn't any good for the PPC..
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I got OMF from dosgamesarchive.com
PocketDOS v1.12.1
FREEDOS100 cab
PDOS_BOCHS_CPU.dll 486 emulation
If you put more than 1 DLL in there for the emulation it wont detect or work. Delete the DOSBOX one if you have the both then enable this one in settings.
P.S. I tried installing the update for OMF.... I didn't notice any improvement ... but it did break the "full version" and make it a demo.

my cracked version works tho i even had heroes of might and magic working on a 11mghz 486 and also windows 3.0

Aye, I got it to work now, but it's indeed slow as hell. The X1 is far more powerful than is needed for this game. I've only tried a 486 emulator, does anyone have a pentium emulator?
Would love to get this game running properly!
I also noticed one graphical issue, the screen is shifted towards the right a bit, clipping off ~60px of the image. On the left side, the missing pixels appear. You guys see that too?

i'd say skip the emulators and run native games for good performance

Just try this:
In the dosbox goto
Settings ;Display ;performance
Write mode :Choice Write-thrrough
and under
options: choice "Write directly to display memory"
perhaps this might help.
best regards

not using any plugin, increased the expanded and extended ram to above 8mb, under display write mode "write through" and "write directly to video memory"
this setting makes some of my games not as painfully slow as dosbox 4-7 fps... quite playable, just no sound

theclueless said:
not using any plugin, increased the expanded and extended ram to above 8mb, under display write mode "write through" and "write directly to video memory"
this setting makes some of my games not as painfully slow as dosbox 4-7 fps... quite playable, just no sound
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You have to have a cpu plugin to run OMF.
The tweaks aren't helping!

Angelusz said:
You have to have a cpu plugin to run OMF.
The tweaks aren't helping!
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try the PDOS_BOCHS_CPU.dll plugin with that setting? it will probably slow it down pretty bad...
i dont get how some of the xscale 500mhz+ device runs some games at 20fps while x1 runs at 4-7fps with the exact same setting using dosbox...

theclueless said:
try the PDOS_BOCHS_CPU.dll plugin with that setting? it will probably slow it down pretty bad...
i dont get how some of the xscale 500mhz+ device runs some games at 20fps while x1 runs at 4-7fps with the exact same setting using dosbox...
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Yes, that's the dll I'm using. Are there any better ones? I mean, this is 486 emulation, there must be something like a pentium emulator around.
I don't get why the X1 doesn't run it smoothly either. Though I guess it's the qualcomm cpu that isn't properly supported.

Just the thread i waited for...
I've been trying to get dosgames to run on my x1 for quiet a while but coludn't get any sattisfying results.
I used three different versions of dosbox for ppc but they were all too slow and had problems with their on screen keyboard. the wvgascreen is an other problem. but the worst thing is that development of dos-emus for winmob stopped a long time ago.
I would wet my pants if i cold get rebel assault with sound to run on my phone at a playable framerate...

Angelusz said:
Yes, that's the dll I'm using. Are there any better ones? I mean, this is 486 emulation, there must be something like a pentium emulator around.
I don't get why the X1 doesn't run it smoothly either. Though I guess it's the qualcomm cpu that isn't properly supported.
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i just dont think the 2d driver is properly implemented... like all the msm7xxx line qualcomm cpu
my dell axim x51 (xscale 416mhz) runs dos games fine with dosbox (20-33fps), and x1 runs at 4-7fps, and a whooping 11fps when the screen is completely blank ); with pocketdos, the dell axim is running at full speed (except when 486 cpu plugin is used), x1 is just playable with a big "?" attached to it
same goes for morphgear snes module, it is quite fast with axim x51 with mid quality sound, but lags on x1 with no sound (still playable)

Has anyone tried to run the no$gba dos version on pocket dos?
Would be very interesting if or how it works.

Not me. What exactly is that?

Angelusz said:
Not me. What exactly is that?
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Well, its a gba emulator
It comes as a windows or dos version. haven't tried it myself. Maybe because i do not have pocket dos on my X1^^.
Its freeware, not like morphgear. You find it on the site linked above.

Emulator which runs Windows Apps?

hello,
is there any emulator/software, which can run windows programs on pocketpc? i dont mean big programs. just small ones (< 500 kb or so)

same reason we are not likely to see a ps3 emulator for old commodore 64 home computers from the 80's
this is not likely to happen an arm based cpu is nowhere as powerful as an x86 cpu which windows run on even if they are the same mhz
again windows handle too little memory by swapping mem onto it's harddisk is which is something that is not possible on the windows mobile platform
pocketdosBox is as close as you get i believe

DocMAX said:
hello,
is there any emulator/software, which can run windows programs on pocketpc? i dont mean big programs. just small ones (< 500 kb or so)
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(i know its the wrong forum, but im gonna answer anyway )
hi,
you mean like wine on linux? im pretty sure this would work on a win98 install on bochs, just search the forum for the thread and do it. would consume a little more RAM tho.

Somebody had Win3.11 running under pocketDOS. The easier thing is to just run RDP or VNC and be able to run everything on your desktop.

PS3 emulator on C64 is a harsh analogy for this. I've run Win95 on the Toshiba G900 though it wasn't fast enough to be useful for anything

You can try Bochs and Win95 as mentioned.. I remember myself trying it on my old FSC PocketLOOX N520 (50MB RAM, 312MHz) and it worked - very slow, for normal every day work unusable, but it worked.