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TyTN vs Zinc - help me choose??

Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim

jb2001 said:
Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim
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Not really the answer you want, but my philosophy on life is, get the best you can today and not worry about what's out tomorrow... otherwise you'll never get anything because you'll always find that a month or so down the line something better will come out... so to say!
Otherwise, the Zinc does seem impressive... but O2 have already delayed the release once, so who's to say it will actually be out at the end of march anyway

True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??

jb2001 said:
True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??
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I'll agree with you on that... I used to have a hx4700 myself... it was the VGA aspect that appealed to me, but I felt it was before its time... oh, and slightly big!
I think the Zinc will have v5.2 on it???
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun

You may never flash WM6 on a Zinc...

stewcp said:
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun
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Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.

Izzard-UK said:
Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.
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Absolutly agree.... I kept all my CAB files on my SD card..Just incase.. but that was WM03se. Is there a HTC "official" rom update available for wm6...where did the wm6 roms come from?? oh and whats the best...

back to the original question,
I own a TYTN and ive had good test run with the Zinc, even though the Zinc has a faster OS the tytn feels faster and reacts better. The finish of the Zinc is a big cheap looking too.
If i was to buy a new phone today it would be the Tytn again, if i was to wait then it would be kaiser or even one of the new samsungs.

Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
and is there a today plugin simliar to the Orange today screen

Problem with O2 is the data charges. They're probably the worst out of all the UK networks!
I'd hate to get a phone like the Zinc or Kaiser and have to constantly monitor my data useage.

jb2001 said:
Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
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Excellent choice (in terms of looks - a very stylish design).
jb2001 said:
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
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That's far too big a question. You've got some reading to do - see the wiki

for the mods.. you can delete this message if you want...
i just want people warned specially in asia region that o2 zinc is not that good ..
although better processor ( but you will not see the difference compare to HTC hermes ),camera and o2 integrated software..
THere are many other choices on O2 products... Atom exec, atom life..etc..
Just not this is O2 Zinc is not worth recommending....
or im strongly recommending HTC HERMES (Dopod 838 pro, Softbank, or the HTC Tytn if available) if your fun of slide keyboard...
I promised you this will be a great help on you...
Trust me...
I just want you to be happy like me now..

Unpopular model?

Is it me, or has the herald never gotten popular? And why not? I mean it's a smaller, faster and better Wizard. Comparing to the activity on the Wizard or even the big, chubby Hermes, this sub forum is close to dead! I dont get it.

I'm thinking that too, cause If we see the other forums, the others PDA has a lot of movement in their forums. I think that model is so great, better than other models like the models that you said.

It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.

GAMBIT999 said:
It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.
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Yep -i guess also. The wing in america is our chance for cooked roms. Because german romcooker are not very presented (look at ppc-welt.com)
Except you and me - lol

So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.

pickpocket said:
So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.
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Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices

papamopps said:
Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices
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Exactly, the newer devices follow a higher protected filessystem.
The differences might look minor, but they are effective from being modified.
As papamopps said, its comparable with WinXP's to WinVista's protection.
But I'm certain we will have our custom ROM some time soon.
Other XDA communities like PDAMobiz or PDAViet and many others
are having their hands on HTC devices, so I wouldn't worry much,
at least we will get official WM6 ROMs and that's something.

It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard

rpodos said:
It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard
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Yippeeehhhh

papamopps said:
Yippeeehhhh
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I second that!

The Dutchman said:
I second that!
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It's just a matter of time... i agreee

the ship rom sucks
I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.

Not sure if i agree about best selling, Dash still outsells the wing in my area of the us Minnesota. The low memory issues is still really annoying me. official rom is out there somewhere?

With the latest rom from the danish retailer Dangaard, my P4350 is running quite well, haven't had memory problems since flashing it.

Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.

FZZF said:
I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
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lol? 192 ROM + 64 RAM ain't enough?
Ok, i got a 2GB Mini SD for 20€ in it, but even though... 192 MB should be enough for adding programs...

xsign said:
Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.
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Dual Core? lol- where did you get this wisdom?

TI-OMAP 850 Specifications:
Power + Expandability
Processor: Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Dual Core 200 MHz CPU
Memory: 128MB ROM, 64 RAM;
Expansion: One SDIO/SD/MMC Slot, Bluetooth 2,0
Operating System: Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC Phone Edition
Features
Camera: 2.0 MP Stills, Macro Mode, low-resolution video.
Wireless: 'Wi-fi' 802.11b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (No EDR, Class 2), Infra-red
Phone: GSM/GPRS Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Phone Data: EDGE EGPRS Class B
Battery: 1200mAh Li-Ion
Physical Aspects
Weight: about 150g, 5.29 oz
Dimensions: 4.25" x 2.28" x 0.72", (108 x 58 x 18 mm)
Audio Jack: 2.5mm Phone Audio Jack
Display: 2.8" (7,1cm) 240x320 16-Bit TFT/TFD Transflective
Connector: Mini-USB
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(from the prophet ones)
german source:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/consumer_electronics/kommunikation/2007/april/o2_xda_htc_herald_mai/

xsign said:
...the processor is a dual core...
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I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the OMAP850 is not a dual core processor. The Texas Instruments page doesn't state it anywhere. Link to TI OMAP850 site

Yeah - after 30minutes of researching i found that out too... but why does the xda-developers wiki state a dual core in the prohpet running on TI 850?

New HTC P3600i Pics and Links

Available for preorder in Australia - the new P3600i - successor to the current Trinity.
Due end August.
http://www.calculatorking.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=66_150&products_id=749
http://www.ow.com.au/Customer-Assistance/HTC-P3600i-3G-GPS-Pocket-PC
$1099AUD

It´s a cool toy,really pricey and expensive but nice.More processor,more rom memory and WM6,I´m sure it´ll work "beautiful",but I see it really,really expensive.
And now is when I think....no Htc WM6 for our Trinities,which is something that I don´t even care,I´d rather pay our cooks.
My next toy will be E-TEN.

$1100 my god!
i personally think HTC should give it for free to existing 3600 owners... it is just a processor upgrade... how much is that for a hardware manufacturer, $0.5? ok .. a little bit memory... $1?
I bet the screen is the same ultrareflective thing... what about the paint? looks like the same thing.... then why is it soooo much expensive??

rupps said:
$1100 my god!
i personally think HTC should give it for free to existing 3600 owners... it is just a processor upgrade... how much is that for a hardware manufacturer, $0.5? ok .. a little bit memory... $1?
I bet the screen is the same ultrareflective thing... what about the paint? looks like the same thing.... then why is it soooo much expensive??
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You talk about AU$1100.-- this is 655.- eu I think normal price here in europe and if you can deliver for this price 0.50 this processor you can deliver 1000 pieces to me with 100% margin for you, Keep on Dreaming.

I received mine yesterday from 3 in Australia. Its exactly the same as the D810 except for 500mhz cpu and 256mb flash. The ROM version, Radio version and protocol version are the same as in the official WM6 D810 ROM (at least in Australia). Needless to say, the application mix is identical to the D810 WM6 load.
The only external difference is that the case has the htc logo on the front top left and rear bottom centre instead of the dopod logo. The colouring of the buttons etc is exactly the same as the d810.
The box it comes in is new, Black and Green vs the Red that the Dopod came in.

OW has dropped price to AU$995, but release date back to 7th September. Does anybody know if three will sell these outright? Never mind... found it on their site $1,049

In the calculatorking link, what gps software is that displayed on the screen?

Heijdemann said:
You talk about AU$1100.-- this is 655.- eu I think normal price here in europe and if you can deliver for this price 0.50 this processor you can deliver 1000 pieces to me with 100% margin for you, Keep on Dreaming.
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haha I am not a taiwan hardware manufacturer bro... But really, you would be surprised about the industrial silicon prices for big hardware manufacturers. Thanx for clarifying about AUS$ heheh.. it now all makes sense

will extra CPU power make that much of a difference?

Few info (in French) here :
HTC P3600i
http://www.mobinaute.com/78578-p3600i-htc-boostee-pdaphone-3g-agps.html
Dopod CHT 9110
http://www.mobinaute.com/78154-cht-9110-htc-super-pdaphone-htc-trinity-chine.html
More than our Trinity :
CPU:500MHz
RAM:128 ROM:256
A-GPS

dta1974 said:
It´s a cool toy,really pricey and expensive but nice.More processor,more rom memory and WM6,I´m sure it´ll work "beautiful",but I see it really,really expensive.
And now is when I think....no Htc WM6 for our Trinities,which is something that I don´t even care,I´d rather pay our cooks.
My next toy will be E-TEN.
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e-ten !?? don't touch it. i had one for 2 long, painful weeks. i spent my time chaising bugs and trying to revive the gps. a real piece of junk. never had something so...so....useless and time consuming.

KukurikU said:
e-ten !?? don't touch it. i had one for 2 long, painful weeks. i spent my time chaising bugs and trying to revive the gps. a real piece of junk. never had something so...so....useless and time consuming.
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Ahhh, you've obviously never used the MioA701! That was my first GPS integrated PDA Phone, bought 5 for my staff and spent 1 month trying to get the stupid things to work properly. Returned them all and got 5 x Dopod P800W (Artemis). Thank god for HTC!

KukurikU said:
e-ten !?? don't touch it. i had one for 2 long, painful weeks. i spent my time chaising bugs and trying to revive the gps. a real piece of junk. never had something so...so....useless and time consuming.
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Thanks guys for replying......The E-TEN thought is gone ;-).I´ll keep waiting and searching.
Thank you again for your advices ;-)
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Ahhh, you've obviously never used the MioA701! That was my first GPS integrated PDA Phone, bought 5 for my staff and spent 1 month trying to get the stupid things to work properly. Returned them all and got 5 x Dopod P800W (Artemis). Thank god for HTC!
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Thanks Dadowizard....I appreciate

so does the paint still flake off on this revised 3600?

Hmmm, so if this HTC P3600i is about $1000 AUS that is about $822 USD. I have seen the Kaiser offered for pre-order at about the same amount here in the US.
I imagine the price will settle a little lower once they are rolling them out.
I would really prefer to see a little bit more of jump in features before I will be yearning to spring this kind of cash though...
Both the Kaiser and the P3600i seem like relatively small upgrades, but not a leap. That is a quite a lot of memory though!
Maybe I'll buy one if a drop my Trinity down a well or something!
The thing that is really lagging behind here in the US is the 3G Networks themselves. T-Mobile hasn't rolled theirs out yet and att still isn't fullly National. Plus we still can't use the live Video Telephony feature fully on our existing phones.

just picked one up, on side of box says "Flash ROM 256MB / SDRAM 64MB. So no ram upgrade to 128 in Aus.
Can't say much more as it is on the charger... and its my first PDA/Phone so not much to compare against. No doubt I'll be getting flack for asking n00b questions soon.

For those interested, be aware that the new HTC P3600i can not be upgraded or flashed currently.
SSPL, HardSPL, Des SPL, splExploit all do not work at all on it. So far, i can't find a way to actually flash anything other than the official WM6 ANZ rom thats available.

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For those interested, be aware that the new HTC P3600i can not be upgraded or flashed currently.
SSPL, HardSPL, Des SPL, splExploit all do not work at all on it. So far, i can't find a way to actually flash anything other than the official WM6 ANZ rom thats available.
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HTC is playing cat and mouse with the ROM bakers. Someone will probably eventually figure out how to do it...but you never know, one day they might succeed in making them "cook" proof .

P3600i rom on P3600...
As far as I could see and also stated before the biggest difference is the CPU.
Would it be possible to upgrade a P3600 with the P3600i WM6 rom?

Its CPU and storage space.
The ROM on the P3600i, is the official WM6 ANZ rom for the P3600/Dopod D810 that was released a couple weeks back, nothing else to it, same protocol, radion, rom and IPL/SPL.
Except this bugger thing won't update no matter what i do so far, and can't get any help on it either.

Who will replace TOUCH DUAL by DIAMOND

I think all of you have seen the specs of the HTC DIAMOND
Who is going to get the HTC DIAMOND? I'm not going to waist my time waiting for members who have the courage to keep trying making the wifi and gps working. I have to felicitate their efforts but think i'm about to sell my dual to get HTC DIAMOND or HTC TITANIUM(Diamond with 20 keys...not a lot info for the moment)
ps: please replace "by" by "buy" in the poll options

i'd go for a TITANIUM whenever i feel like it
but i do like my sirf iii solar bluetooth gps device and dont miss wifi as i have unlimited web bolt on, BUT, speedy graphics will probably push me over to the diamond side !

I buy via work a HTC Daimond, if its released. We use HTC Units ... most are HTC VOX and Niki.

i'll be keeping my touch dual for sure.

i agree that the diamond is awesome in terms of functionality but why on earth release a pocket pc phone with no SD card ????
there is no way I'm buying this

the only thing that's keeping me from being completely sure that i will replace my touch dual with the diamond is the lack of a 16key hardware keyboard which i have right now.
although if it's true what they say about the HTC Titanium which is supposedly the Diamond with a HW keyboard then that's it, done deal for me.

I hear that HTC is going to provide the drivers for the Kaiser, if that's the case, the drivers for our Touch Duals will soon follow. SO no reason to rush getting the Diamond yet for me. I'll give it a few more months.

I do have a question .... Why are they putting such low mAh batteries in highend devices now-a-days?
The Diamond has 900mah or something like that... It's 3.5g with the highest HSPDA available right now, right? So ... that's like 1 hour on 3g? lol. It's processor is really fast, and that'll eat up the battery. It's graphics are really good, too (from the videos i've seen)... So.... Sedio Ext. batteries anyone?

what i find odd about new htc products in general is that they always have something missing.
for diamond that would be - sd storage + quad band + keyboard
really very frustrating.

I agree with boboduck. If they release a diamond with a keyboard and sd-storage I'll consider buying one. Until then I'll keep my Niki.

The diamond is aimed at a different market than all other HTC phones released to date, its more of a phone to pose with than get out of your pocket at a works meeting. 4GB is plenty of storage for most users and the lack of a keyboard isn't a problem. I don't see people with the iPhone or LG Prada refusing to buy them until they come with a keyboard.
I am buying one because they are aesthetically and technically brilliant, I'm keeping my dual primarily as my day to day phone and my diamond is going to be my going out phone that my friends and other people see me with.
By the way I've pre-ordered mine off Play.com for £429 with free delivery, cheapest Ive seen so far and they are due in stock on the 19th of this month!

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what i find odd about new htc products in general is that they always have something missing.
for diamond that would be - sd storage + quad band + keyboard
really very frustrating.
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It's a marketing strategy. You do not put every feature in one device, because if you do, you have no reason to sell other devices.

DaVince said:
It's a marketing strategy. You do not put every feature in one device, because if you do, you have no reason to sell other devices.
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As done by most other manufacturers too, Nokia used to never release a complete phone, although you could argue that the N95 8Gb has changed that. Sony Ericsson also release their phones in either the Cybershot camp or the Walkman Camp, but not both.

I do hope someone can cook the touchflo 3D for niki

We will have to wait for these anticipated 3d drivers to come about before manilla is usable on the niki i reckon, the diamond looks to stutter a bit with it and that has got the 3d drivers running!
I'm not holding out much hope really for it running well and i reckon it could be a memory hogging monster, HTC haven't put 192 meg of ram on the diamond for no reason....

i totally agree about the marketing strategy. this is the reason why dual has no wi-fi.
Because if it did, then nobody would buy the elf or vogue.
if htc do however release an all-in-one phone, i think it'll hurt our pockets
i just hope someone can try to put the touch flo 3D in niki

I just pre-ordered from play.com
I havent had it agreed by my wife yet.... eek!

Will keep touch dual. I'am student and have no money for the diamond!

So far I can't find a soft keyboard that is comparable to the hardware keypad for Chinese input. so better stay with Nike.

I voted for replacing my nike with a diamond, but the absence of sd breaks it for me.
A PDA without external storage is ridiculous.

Still worth buying this??

Hi all,
After being away for a while and currently not having a htc device i have the oportunity to buy a blackstone used. It looks nice, good preservation, no scratches on the screen, all acessories included. My question is it still worth it???
I have seen some new models of htc but they are a bit expensive here. This one goes for 250€ but i'm afraid it's a bit "old". Please if you can give me your opinion about this issue.
Back from............the end of the world.
becosemsaida

Yes it is worth it. It still runs all the latest OS etc. I'm glad I bought mine a few months ago. The HD is a good all round performer, and like you say the other devices around that are better/newer are a lot more expensive. When you can get most the features of the HD2 on the HD for half the price, why not buy the HD. That's the way I see it anyways. The price you stated does sound a bit much though, I'm sure you could get it much cheaper on ebay, but this could just be down to the crappy exchange rate here against the Euro.

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Yes it is worth it. It still runs all the latest OS etc. I'm glad I bought mine a few months ago. The HD is a good all round performer, and like you say the other devices around that are better/newer are a lot more expensive. When you can get most the features of the HD2 on the HD for half the price, why not buy the HD. That's the way I see it anyways. The price you stated does sound a bit much though, I'm sure you could get it much cheaper on ebay, but this could just be down to the crappy exchange rate here against the Euro.
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Thanks for your reply. Since e-bay is out of the question because many of them don't ship out of their country and i also don't have a pay-pal account it doesn't leave much choise. I have seen the site and i know it's a lot cheaper but still not an option for me. I see that according to users the HD can (almost) do the same as the HD2 and i think i will go for it. Would like to have other opinions though.......
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I purchased my blackstone last week after trading in my hero. The hero was a nice handset, i just didn't think android "was all that". I don't think the functionality of android is great, even 2.1. However i am running a the lastest blackstone henge rom on my device and i think its great.
The internal specification of the blackstone is the same as the hero if i'm correct and the hero is a relatively new device in comparison. Don't get eaten up by the snapdragon ghz band wagon, the touch hd still holds its own and imo is a great alrounder.
What requirements do you have for a handset when you look at buying one?

The HD is pretty good still, but a bit slow, and always was, for that sort of money I'd be inclined to buy a new acer S200 now and get the fastest Wm device available, very similar to the HD and are apparently very easy to flash other roms on to if the acer one is buggy.
Despite my disappointing experience with an F900, I would still be prepared to give them another try, I've had bad experiences with HTC and HP branded HTC's also.

Yes, HD is still front runner, specially if you find cooked ROM which has what you like.
And there's plenty of cooked ROMs, and more than half of them are still developing...
Price of 250 € is nice one, if device is really good preserved.

becosemsaida said:
Hi all,
After being away for a while and currently not having a htc device i have the oportunity to buy a blackstone used. It looks nice, good preservation, no scratches on the screen, all acessories included. My question is it still worth it???
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I can't comment on the price but I just bought one (t8285) on Ebay for 450 US precisely for the reason that a) I've never had one and didn't like the bulk of the Rhodium and b) there's an EnergyRom for it
The Telstra versions are rare in the US but work on the 850 range which is ATT's 3g band. I wanted to see if I could live without a keyboard and didn't want to pony up the big bucks to get an HD2 for Telstra until I signed off on the soft keyboard.
If you can afford it and find one you like I don't think you can go wrong. It's not the latest and greatest but it is a strong contender.

Bodisson said:
Yes, HD is still front runner, specially if you find cooked ROM which has what you like.
And there's plenty of cooked ROMs, and more than half of them are still developing...
Price of 250 € is nice one, if device is really good preserved.
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i agree with this !! this is my second hd i was planning to move over to the hd2 but i was way to big for what needed so i go one with the hd2 engery rom... as its just Ace...

The only bad part of it is Microsoft abandoning WM
Yes, I've seen some used ones in Ebay for $200 - $250. The Touch HD has everything (big screen, WiFi, GPS, FM radio, G-sensor, 5 mpix camera). It's a lot of hardware for that price.
Of course it runs Windows Mobile, which is dying right now. Sooner or later you'll have to move to Windows Phone 7 (vade retro) / iPhone / Android.
Any app you use (or God forbid, purchase) for Windows Mobile will not be transferable to any other phone in the future. Ask the developers if they will port the app and to what platforms.
You have a very good WM 6.1 ROM from KWBR, and a lot of WM 6.5 ROMs. I've used a few of them and am currently running a WM 6.5 with Manilla 2.5 and Opera 10.

becosemsaida said:
Hi all,
After being away for a while and currently not having a htc device i have the oportunity to buy a blackstone used. It looks nice, good preservation, no scratches on the screen, all acessories included. My question is it still worth it???
I have seen some new models of htc but they are a bit expensive here. This one goes for 250€ but i'm afraid it's a bit "old". Please if you can give me your opinion about this issue.
Back from............the end of the world.
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Why dont get the mini HD?? it's about that price too?? got similar specs, in fact improved, and I think capacitive screen too?