Continious Overclocking to 247 MHZ, Safe?? - Wing, P4350 General

Hey, i Am using the Omap Battery status plugin and I was wondering if I it was safe to overclock the device to 247 MHZ constantly so it will turn on and jump to 247 all the time. Will this have any longterm effect on the device? will it damage the cpu?? do i have to worry ??

exxi said:
Hey, i Am using the Omap Battery status plugin and I was wondering if I it was safe to overclock the device to 247 MHZ constantly so it will turn on and jump to 247 all the time. Will this have any longterm effect on the device? will it damage the cpu?? do i have to worry ??
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Should be fine - have overclocked my wizard and artemis to 247mhz without a problem - many overclock to 260mhz.

Should be alright, since many htc devices are running on TI OMAP 850 cpus. Overclocked my Prophet a log time to 247MHz with no problems.

I don't think it will do any harm, I am clocking at 247 constantly, for about a half year. no prob so far

I overclock my MDA to 286Mhz and don't have any problems. YMMV, but given that the OMAP in the Herald is a newer rev, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little more headroom in it.

FYI: My Wing has arrived, and it's currently overclocked to 299MHz without any issues.

over 300 makes it freeze right??

exxi said:
over 300 makes it freeze right??
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Try and tell me how it goes!!! *evil*
Never thought 299 would be stable on an OMAP, but it's definitly because of the newer revisions of the OMAPs in HTC latest devices. My old prophet would have burned by anything above 234/247MHz

312MHZ Freeze, okay after Soft reset, no evident damage.
I run it on 260 continuously now, do you run yours on 273 continuously ?

exxi said:
312MHZ Freeze, okay after Soft reset, no evident damage.
I run it on 260 continuously now, do you run yours on 273 continuously ?
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I ran it for two weeks stable, but at 286MHz I already had some sudden freezes.
I'm using 273MHz now with BatteryStatus CPU Scaler.
Running 273MHz continiously results in heavy battery drain (1 max 1,5 days), not a big surprise.

no damage to be expected on long term use ?

Nope. I used it on wizard for 2 years without problems.

Guys newbie to overclocking, how? program? couldnt find on the wiki. talking about the wing/herald/atlas

cyberjr said:
Guys newbie to overclocking, how? program? couldnt find on the wiki. talking about the wing/herald/atlas
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Search either for OMAPclock or BatteryStatus (in the HTC Prophet section) I recommend last, because it has many other practical features you might like. OMAPclock would simply be for oc'ing. cheers

my wizard runs at 299 software crashes at 312 but the phone doesn't

sorry if this is a lil random but i've joined a couple of forums already and have lost track what is where, how do i go about installing the battery status plug in on my t-mobile wing, i have a link which can either give me a .cab file or the desktop set up, i know nothing about overclocking and would appreciate any advice to this, sorry if this was already in this thread

Download the latest BatteryStatus (CAB-file) from the sticky thread in the HTC Prophet section and copy it onto your Wing and doubleclick the CAB to install. Everything else should be easy to figure out, otherwise come back here

emonsiv said:
sorry if this is a lil random but i've joined a couple of forums already and have lost track what is where, how do i go about installing the battery status plug in on my t-mobile wing, i have a link which can either give me a .cab file or the desktop set up, i know nothing about overclocking and would appreciate any advice to this, sorry if this was already in this thread
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...and please read up on overclocking... You don't wanna fry your Wing - get it - fried wings!!! I slay me!!! LOL!!!

thanks for the help guys, lol on the fried wings, fried t-mobile wing = most expensive non-edible wing i've ever bought

Sooo which program is better to use on the wing? OMAP or Battery status?

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XCPUScalar 2004 2.6

Hello,
Has anyone tried using XCPUScalar? There is a new version available released today. I'd just like to know your comments if it's worth it, and if this type of application is safe to use.
Poch
I use v2.53 which seems very stable.
I'm not sure how good it is at over-clocking and the real difference this makes yo the XDA's useability.
However, the fact that it can reduce CPU speed depending on need, and therefore extend battery life is quite useful.
From the release notes for 2.6, there are a couple of improvements I'd welcome, such as the ability to set the speed on boot rather than revert to default.
Is it stable...? Did it hardreset anyone?
Last time I tried to overclock a PDA was with one of my Ipaqs... it hard reset... and I never did it again...
Can someone give me enough reasurance to try this new piece of SW?
Thanks,
Chris
started using xcpu scalar last night, and i gotta say, its incredible!
got my xda2 running at 530mhz at the moment
before that i used to use pocket hack master, and was good, but complicated,* plus my xda2 would only run stable at 528mhz*
so i got 2mhz extra lol! ;-)
i highly recomend!!
Thank you!
But... how do you know up till what point is stable... and at what point it hardresets? How do you know you could push it to 530 rather than 500 or 700? You push it until it crashes? You get a warning message?
Sorry if the question is a bit naive :roll:
Thanks,
Chris
The maximum stable frequency for xda2 is 472-530 Mhz.
Where 472 has more benefits in stability and fatest memory clock.
Mine runs good on 530 in Os menu,but freezes instantly in hard processing soft..like Quake,WmPlayer.(it is also like to anaylze if some programs are running in background and don't support these frequencies)
Note: some application like Camera are more sensitive than others to overclocked fr. but personally I did only encontered benefits in Camera app with more fps.
A benchmark reported that in same cases better performance is on 400mhz and 472 max. (on xda2)
Faster overclock will only degrade your performance,but you can try it.. at least you will have to Soft-Reset or Hard-Reset your device,so backu-up first all your data.
aikon359 said:
started using xcpu scalar last night, and i gotta say, its incredible!
got my xda2 running at 530mhz at the moment
before that i used to use pocket hack master, and was good, but complicated,* plus my xda2 would only run stable at 528mhz*
so i got 2mhz extra lol! ;-)
i highly recomend!!
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There is no 2mhz extra,the real freq. is 528 but approx. to 530
Also Hack Master is recommende for more professional use,because it offer many options like no other overclock application.
I am sure you are interested to read the overclock results:
http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page729.html
Regards,
Ser

Overclocking

Has anyone managed to overclock the tytn with pocker hack master or xcpuscalar?
For me hack master freezes the device with every settings and
xcpuscalar only "underclocks". And shows false information about the device being overclocked.
Sorry no help here, its just nice to see a nother person who baught both
Overclocking utilities for the PDA tend to be CPU specific. You'll need a utility that is designed for the Samsung CPU.
But for what overclocking? I am really happy with the current cpu speed
TheBrit said:
Overclocking utilities for the PDA tend to be CPU specific. You'll need a utility that is designed for the Samsung CPU.
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Those progs are supposed to support samsung cpu's.
Not a hundred percent sure about the specifk models,
too lazy to check.
Allthou I remember reading something about samsungs power saving on wm5 resetting the speeds and those two programs developers inadept or unwilling to circumvent that. Im guessing the former.
Since otherwise am betting they would do it.
And yes the speed is great. but overcloking is fun.
can someone enlight me on the definition of the "stacked cpu"???
have been surfing the net but didn't found anything...
Thanking the one in advance
Peace
Wassalam
vend1a said:
can someone enlight me on the definition of the "stacked cpu"???
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I think it means that the cpu is soldered on the motherboard, you cannot "replace" it like in a normal computer.
Mucha gracias hermano *(pof)
Sounds like you Pof wasn't very sure anybody knows for sure or can someone just confirm this?
Respect
Wassalam
pof said:
vend1a said:
can someone enlight me on the definition of the "stacked cpu"???
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I think it means that the cpu is soldered on the motherboard, you cannot "replace" it like in a normal computer.
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I think it means that the cpu has many layers, so the stuff in the cpu is
stacked. Makes the cpu smaller etc.
kitos kitos J
I read something about what you say: something about first in last out or vice versa. in layer forms yes.
Something to figure out and post in webopedia or something trackable on the net.
Thanks again...
Respect
Wassalam
Overclocking works fine for me.
I use xcpuscalar in auto-mode with the current settings :
200 mhz - 0-20%
400 mhz - 20-70%
500 mhz - 70-100%
Have had no problems with it - and the 200 mhz saves battery.
/Martin
Inc said:
Overclocking works fine for me.
I use xcpuscalar in auto-mode with the current settings :
200 mhz - 0-20%
400 mhz - 20-70%
500 mhz - 70-100%
Have had no problems with it - and the 200 mhz saves battery.
/Martin
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Mind running a few benchmarks? And check the speed from somewhere else
then xcpuscalar, it gives false readings.
I wouldn't have any idea how to do that.
Martin
Inc said:
I wouldn't have any idea how to do that.
Martin
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Spb benchmark (free) and TCPMP also shows cpu speed, not sure about how reliably, but I guess more then xcpuscalar.
I would not trust xcpuscalars reading, when I tried it, it did too report 500mhz, but other programs showed 400 and benchmarks for 400 and 500 were the same.
The issue about xcpuscalars false readings has been discussed all over the net.
Under Clocking the unit really does not affect its stability, but really does extended the battery life, I have noticed about 40% increase in the battery life, when running the CPU at 200Mhz. :?
Stacked CPU
For an indepth article on the cpu in the TyTN that also completely answers your question on stacked cpu's visit:
http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20050927002711773
Has anyone tried PocketHackMaster 4.0 beta?
the beta 4.0 doesn't seem to support overclocking on the TyTN. Allegedly it will on the final version though...
Version v4.13.031 of Pocket Hackmaster has been released 12 Nov. 2006. Have anyone tried it? Thanks a lot!
Never mind. I tried it. Doesn't work. My TyTn needs a soft reset after testing.

overclocking the athena?

any one thried and work?
i tried xcular but didn't work with hight speed!
thanks
parkertseng said:
any one thried and work?
i tried xcular but didn't work with hight speed!
thanks
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I use this program and the speed can reach to 728 MHz.
The machine is still stable and running very fast.
I use XCPUScalar 2005 ver 2.93 bought from PocketGear.com
realy!
it is strange!
i downloaded the latest version and installed
it hanged and not responfding after few minutes...
anyone has the same problem?
thanks!
parkertseng said:
realy!
it is strange!
i downloaded the latest version and installed
it hanged and not responfding after few minutes...
anyone has the same problem?
thanks!
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mine doesn't work as well, strange enough when i plug in the power cable, it does reach to higher speed, and it's quite stable, but when i unplug it, the screen stop responding.
or maybe is it the problem version?
i have the version 2007 v3_01
and how about u, Wu?
regards!
wu5262 said:
mine doesn't work as well, strange enough when i plug in the power cable, it does reach to higher speed, and it's quite stable, but when i unplug it, the screen stop responding.
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I had similar experiences to you Wu. Happily overclocked to 733Mhz, on AC power, but crashed during movie playback 2 minutes into it.
Tried CPU Scalar many years ago and wasn't too impressed with its compatibility and stability then either. Definately removing it from my Ameo before it causes a major problem...like bricking my device!!
I saw a huge performance increase in WM6 over WM5 on the Universal...my bet is that we will see this same speed increase in the Athena when we get the WM6 upgrade.
Meanwhile, I'm happy with the Athena as is.
i have exactly the same problem like yours, wu!
then how come the other guy is running it normally?
how to get the old version?
parkertseng said:
then how come the other guy is running it normally?
how to get the old version?
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i am using the newest version from pocket gear.
how about hn1716?
he said he can reach 728mhz and stable
mybe u he can provide us the old version?
mackaby007 said:
I had similar experiences to you Wu. Happily overclocked to 733Mhz, on AC power, but crashed during movie playback 2 minutes into it.
Tried CPU Scalar many years ago and wasn't too impressed with its compatibility and stability then either. Definately removing it from my Ameo before it causes a major problem...like bricking my device!!
I saw a huge performance increase in WM6 over WM5 on the Universal...my bet is that we will see this same speed increase in the Athena when we get the WM6 upgrade.
Meanwhile, I'm happy with the Athena as is.
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Hi Mackaby007,
I'm still using Dopod 900, but didn't have the guts to upgrade it to crossbow. I'm afraid pf getting stability problems since I'm already very happy with the reliability of Dopod 900 at the moment.
jlingo said:
Hi Mackaby007,
I'm still using Dopod 900, but didn't have the guts to upgrade it to crossbow. I'm afraid pf getting stability problems since I'm already very happy with the reliability of Dopod 900 at the moment.
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I've not experienced any instability with WM6 on Universal in over a month now. Very fast indeed and much more stable than WM5 AKU 3.xxx......anyway, as this thread is about Athena & Overclocking, I merely mentioned speed improvements in WM6 on another device compared to O/C. We can discuss this further if you like in the Universal forum.
mackaby007 said:
I've not experienced any instability with WM6 on Universal in over a month now. Very fast indeed and much more stable than WM5 AKU 3.xxx......anyway, as this thread is about Athena & Overclocking, I merely mentioned speed improvements in WM6 on another device compared to O/C. We can discuss this further if you like in the Universal forum.
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YESSS Sooo much more responsive!!! It's like upgrading processor feelings. I guess I don't really need the processor in Athena for now.
Improved XcpuScaler for athena available
There has been a revision of xcpuscaler to version 3.03 (2007) which seems to work fine on Athena.
I have been using it since yesterday and auto scaling works up to 663MHz.
The software interface does not cover the landscape screen fully although you can still make your selections by scrolling doen with the arrow head.
The upgrade is offered free for those who already have the 3.0 version.
Those using it please give your experiences.
Im using XCPUScalar v3.03 the latest one, and my Athena is very stable at 663Mhz (no auto-scale). Can not set it to 728 as it hangs after 20 seconds.
But running it at 663 is more then enough, it is more responsive and can handle 2 tasks the same time ...
I think it will run smoother and more reactive if we disable the auto-scale and running it all the time at 663 Mhz, but the battery life will be a lot shorter of course, I don't really mind as I will get a second battery
victoradjei
you said your using the auto scaling feature and it's stable on your device.
Can you give us more feedback if you are still using this feature??
is the device still stable?? what kind of SW are you running??
Im interested to know actually when you use TomTom, games, media player, waking up the device from sleep mode etc .... how it reacts when the CPU % change all the time.
I'm confused. Doesn't this device have built-in auto-scaling of processor speed? I've played with PocketMechanic, and it seemed to work well. I just wasn't sure it was needed on an on-going basis. The one place I might use it is playing back MPEG2 videos which is laggy in TCPMP. PM helped somewhat. Other thoughts?
hi,
i'm confussed!
the xcpuscalar soft is compatible with the athena?
the athena as a intel processor and the xcpuscalar soft says compatible with omap and scale processors
thanks for your comments
Bart
Works GREAT on my HTC Advantage x7501...TJ
bartito said:
hi,
i'm confussed!
the xcpuscalar soft is compatible with the athena?
the athena as a intel processor and the xcpuscalar soft says compatible with omap and scale processors
thanks for your comments
Bart
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According to the product description, it supports xscale processor. Athena uses an xscale processor PXA270.

Overclocking - is it possible?

i am wondering if there is any possibility to overclock the cpu of the HD as it was possible on old HTC devices with omap processors?
i often found the HD to be very slow and i would like some more speed 9as probably most of us)
would it be adviseble to overclock it?
thanks for any useful info!
would be very cool! i bet htc is running it in a ridicolous safe speed =)
no infos on that matter?
any tech guy with some more experience?
nobody?
i did some research in to the matter, and there are some things that can be changed but i believe its just timeings, at the moment it would appear that you can not adjust the clock speed its self.
Also, changing the timings seemed to have a negative affect on stability, id imagin that whilst the clock speed may be running low, the timings are about as tight as you can get.
anyone tried using Pocket Hack Master yet?
will try it out tonight
I tried it but it didn't work. May not have been the right version perhaps.
It was a few weeks ago so I can't remember what actually happened when I tried it sorry.
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
JohnQ said:
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
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Don't be coy. Let us in on the action
JohnQ said:
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
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i wonder what software that would be?
can you point it for us? any details about it? would it be dangerous for HD integrity?
just installed it, then bells rang..... ur processor is not supported, looked rubbishw when the app loaded up. all distored, defiantely not meant for our wvga. Soooooo whats this qualcom overclocking software... i will explore google see what i can find.....
id give up, i searched for ages to no avail, i believe the only thing that can we tweaked are various timings but it seems that almost any attempt improve these results in instability and crashing.
I'm not really interested in overclocking, but I saw this thread and remembered I saw somewhere else some info on this subject.
Perhaps this is something to try:
http://www.htc-touch-info.com/en/overclocking/
Updated: March 2, 2009
WTF?!?!?!anyone tested stability of the 2 day old version?
HappyLlama said:
I'm not really interested in overclocking, but I saw this thread and remembered I saw somewhere else some info on this subject.
Perhaps this is something to try:
http://www.htc-touch-info.com/en/overclocking/
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This won't work - the Touch HD has a Qualcomm processor NOT an OMAP
Yes Please let us in on the action
well, i've saw this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507798&highlight=overclock , but you guys read carefully, its apeears to be no effect, through if it has, every processor u overclock have its life shortened...i've a blue angel, 400 mhz working at a 200~530, xscale processor can do this (change it's frequency accordinto to the necessary) but i wond the Qualcomm ones do the same (according to the post appears to not, but it's no cleary).
everyone may say...so all you said righ now is a load of crap... Thats not, i'm just sharing wat i've discovered until now, since i've gone to blackstone few day ago.
Blackstone is slow?? I'm about to get it in several days. Please enlight me when comparing blackstone with Hermes (currently using). Thanks
damikey said:
Blackstone is slow?? I'm about to get it in several days. Please enlight me when comparing blackstone with Hermes (currently using). Thanks
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i think most if not all winmo is slow but i love it still lol

Overclocking Opal 100

OVERCLOCKING LEADS TO MEMORY LEAKS AND CAN BE SEVERE IN SOME CASES.PLEASE OVERCLOCK AT YOUR OWN RISKS
I have tried Overclocking my Opal 100 at various clockspeeds on a WM6.5 ROM,Build 21889..but i seem to NOT have got the correct clockspeed coz i am experiencing frequent problems with my ROM.Current clockspeed is set to 264MHz,but the program memory shoots up when the device escalates in tym after a soft reset....Any 1 having overclocked his device and is HAPPY with the feedback Opal is giving,please mention the clockspeed with the current ROM version...thanks.
Device has been overclocked with OMAP CLOCK PLUS...here's the link if any1 needs to test it...{If you want to overclock your Viva, download the cab file from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=468
And then follow the guide on this website:
http://www.nicque.com/PQz/OmapClockPlus.htm } WELL AS ALWAYS,NO MEMBER ON XDA INCL ME TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE CAUSED DUE TO OVERCLOCKING.OVERCLOCKING THE CPU REDUCES UR WARRANTY TO NULL & VOID.HENCE NO MEMBER ON XDA INCL ME IS TO BLAME IF UR DEVICE FACES SEVERE PROBLEMS RELATING TO ANYTHING.OVERCLOCK AT UR OWN RISK.
yes.....im ultimately happy..using omap clock....and omap clock keep....opal is always on 276mhz....havent ever heard of or experienced a memory leak..
I'm stable @ 252 MHz with Jagan's Evo2 ROM for 2 months now!
However, I'll try to run it @ 264 MHz to get rid of the camera noise problem. I will reply to this thread with the results. I won't test it at 276 MHz, at least not in the summer anyway!
Please if you overclock your device, tell us the speed and the program you're using.
shaffaf said:
yes.....im ultimately happy..using omap clock....and omap clock keep....opal is always on 276mhz....havent ever heard of or experienced a memory leak..
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Me too...
pajerm said:
Me too...
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What ROM r u using?
I'm using my rom but I used successfully omapclockkeep at 276MHz in evolution 2....
GFX said:
I'm stable @ 252 MHz with Jagan's Evo2 ROM for 2 months now!
However, I'll try to run it @ 264 MHz to get rid of the camera noise problem. I will reply to this thread with the results. I won't test it at 276 MHz, at least not in the summer anyway!
Please if you overclock your device, tell us the speed and the program you're using.
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@276 THE noise problem is reduced ....however sometimes theres a green strip @ side of screen but its better than 264
shaffaf said:
@276 THE noise problem is reduced ....however sometimes theres a green strip @ side of screen but its better than 264
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What kinda of performance difference do you see at 276 as compared to normal clock speed in evo 2?
karthiksk said:
What kinda of performance difference do you see at 276 as compared to normal clock speed in evo 2?
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People are adventurous...well,not much difference is noted,but it does,to some extent i believe increase the speed of the cpu...
shreyas18 said:
People are adventurous...well,not much difference is noted,but it does,to some extent i believe increase the speed of the cpu...
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lol. K thanks
Oh and i found a problem with the latest OMAPclock in that linik,
So i have uploaded a decent one.
I just had to report this, I found a really weird solution to the Windows Media Player, Playlist bug (EVO 2 and 2.5) (Have reported this in that thread as well but thought posting it here will do some good too.). lol. Overclocking!
For some odd reason my device volume has also shot up, (without any distortion wat so ever), side effects of overclocking?
I just had to report this, I found a really weird solution to the Windows Media Player, Playlist bug (EVO 2 and 2.5) (Have posted this in that thread as well, but thought posting it here was only justifiable). lol. Overclocking!
For some odd reason my device volume has also shot up, (without any distortion wat so ever), (good) side effects of overclocking?
u guys are asking difference when overclocked ..lol ..
touch flo is very much faster...
can play call of duty 2..
mobile shell is faster..
can play games from omnigsoft...and so on goes the list
karthiksk said:
I just had to report this, I found a really weird solution to the Windows Media Player, Playlist bug (EVO 2 and 2.5) (Have posted this in that thread as well, but thought posting it here was only justifiable). lol. Overclocking!
For some odd reason my device volume has also shot up, (without any distortion wat so ever), (good) side effects of overclocking?
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R U using SRS WOW HD sound driver???if yes,it is the result of that installation...other than that,it may be a program.but here,according to ur description,i dont think overclocking is the culprit....
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R U using SRS WOW HD sound driver???if yes,it is the result of that installation...other than that,it may be a program.but here,according to ur description,i dont think overclocking is the culprit....
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No i am not using SRS WOW HD. I don't like that software. and I dint say that whatever happened to my phone was a bad thing so its not a culprit, i would rather call it a social service software. (lol).
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No i am not using SRS WOW HD. I don't like that software. and I dint say that whatever happened to my phone was a bad thing so its not a culprit, i would rather call it a social service software. (lol).
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social service software!!!!!wwwwwooooooooooooooo//!!!!!!LoL!!!
I finally found some courage to test my device @ 276 MHz. The test was successful so far, no problems, and no excess heat. And the camera problem is gone.
At this frequency I can actually feel the performance difference, as the device becomes more responsive and fluid.
Just tried the 276MHZ. VIVA become super fasts... Everything is very sippy. Nice, thanks for the help. I am with default OS
GFX said:
I finally found some courage to test my device @ 276 MHz. The test was successful so far, no problems, and no excess heat. And the camera problem is gone.
At this frequency I can actually feel the performance difference, as the device becomes more responsive and fluid.
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Just tried the 276MHZ. VIVA become super fasts... Everything is very sippy. Nice, thanks for the help. I am with default OS
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told ya guys ..have some guts to try out things next time ....and also i tried out thps2 and also call of duty 2
also
i think we can increase the camera frame rate by some tweaking..devs can consider trying it out and helping our opal cameras

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