Database Users

O2 XDA IIi ...

Can anyone who has purchased a XDA IIi tell me what colour it comes in? I was hoping it would have been in black like th XDA IIs? Also does the XDA IIi come with an integrated qwerty keyboard?
Many regards
Nya

Nah, sorry it's in silver and doesn't have a keyboard. Exactly same as XDA2 looks wise.
Sorry 'bout photo!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
when will ****ing o2 Germany release this thing..
I CANT WAIT MUCH LONGER:.......... :evil:

Hi...ANy Idea about the price of 2i?

It is out and you can order at O2 official web. (UK)
Is selling at GBP 250.00 + 12 Month Contract.

shanedean said:
Nah, sorry it's in silver and doesn't have a keyboard. Exactly same as XDA2 looks wise.
Sorry 'bout photo!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi shanedean,
could you PLEASE report versions of:
bootloader
Radio ROM
OS ROM
???
THANX a lot
buzz

Just so i can get this clear in my head, ami right in saying the XDA IIi
- has no integrated keyboard
- has no built in WIFI

http://www.my-xda.com/xda2i.html

Wrong wrong !! ..it has wifi builtin!

Wrong wrong !! ..it has wifi builtin!

Hi, don't know how to check bootloader version, sorry. If you let me know how then I'd be glad to help.
Anyhow;
ROM version 1.10.00 WWE
ROM date 12/24/04
Radio version 1.00.00
Protocol version 1337.39
Ext ROM version 1.10.124 WWE
Anything else that you'd like to know ( and can explain how I find it ) just ask.

well on the website the xdaIIi looks better then xdaII the major fact and improvement is 1.3 Mega Pixel Camera and the memory and wi-fi but does it really do what it says ?? is it worth dumping xdaII and going for xdaIIi......on paper its no doubt beating xdaII but in actuall is it A SOLID MASTER PIECE LIKE XDAII ??

Improvements I can see...
Built in wifi
Proper version of 2003SE
Way better bluetooth including listening to MP3's
Seems generally quick even in non-turbo mode
WMP10
Smart Dialing. Can easily find contacts and read numbers from sim
Phone Pad is cool. Can use T9 in any app
Can't really compare the camera as I almost never used it on the II and don't have any use for it on the IIi.
JD

jdee246 said:
Improvements I can see...
Built in wifi
Proper version of 2003SE
Way better bluetooth including listening to MP3's
Seems generally quick even in non-turbo mode
WMP10
Smart Dialing. Can easily find contacts and read numbers from sim
Phone Pad is cool. Can use T9 in any app
Can't really compare the camera as I almost never used it on the II and don't have any use for it on the IIi.
JD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok for me this is some news......
1.Way better bluetooth including listening to MP3's
Are you sayin that you can listen to mp3's on BT HEADSET (Stereo Quality) ???
Also can you take out some pics from your XDAIIi under (artificial) house light and in sun light and post them here just so that i can see whats the camera resolution and stuff. (WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT)
As i am planning to dump my xdaII for xdaIIi just becaz it has 1.3 Mega Pixel and built in Wi-Fi.
Regards
jeetz

Just my fhorts on the XDA2i.....
As to the Camera, it just as crap as the XDA2 or XDA2s but now it takes bigger crap pictures, a typical picture set to XL size is around 185kb. One thing tho i seems to take 2 seconds to take the picture, I.E you push the capture button then move to phone you take a picture of a blur.
The turbo mode.... not sure if i see any differance
the WiFi says it connects at 11MBs where as my XDA2 + sandisk card and the XDA2s only said 2MBs, not that i care as long as it connects, and it sure dose the range is as good as my laptop, Far better than XDA2 and 2s.
it did have a nice little icon on the task bar i surpose you call it on the bottom right to rotate the screen, anyway i nstalled the o2-plus-1.5 and it made it very slow, so i removed it and it has stolen the nice screen rotate icon
the desk stand is of corse the same as the XDA2 the battery is the same fitting, size and looks, but is now 1300 ma/h were the XDA2 is 1200 mh/a i still have a old XDA2 battery (thank god) as the 2i loves to eat up battery power
i liked the XDA2 but wonted the built in WiFi as i never had the sandisk WiFi card with me, so of corse as soon as i could i got a PDA2k, then changed to the 2s as soon as o2 had them in the UK, i never used the keyboard on it, and the microphone was crap, also as the bluetooth did not work, i am so pleased to get what i always wonted a XDA2 with WiFi built in.
as to windows media player 10, not sure what all the fuss is about
it now has 60mb of storage but 1GB SD cards only costing £40 not suck a problem,
as yet i have not tried WiFiFoFun or TT3 bluetooth on it...
As to bluetooth its version 3900 where that latest i found for the 2s was 3500...
The connection icons at the top are a little more helpfull, but no clock on the bar at the top.
i cant find my old XDA2 battery (sorry backpack) to try and keep it lasting a bit longer, i will find it and try it ( and put something in the PCMCIA solt) rather than just as a battery and report how it goes
the Bluetooth for the headset works as good as it did in the XDA2, not perfect but a million times better than the 2s...
So as you can see from the above, I like to have the latest phone, I dont use technicle (cant spell it either) words, and i HATE the 2s.
As to the 2s i have some bits for them that will go on ebay please see the pic
Thanks for reading and please ask me any questions as long as you dont mind a non technicale answer
John

XDA IIi
shanedean said:
Nah, sorry it's in silver and doesn't have a keyboard. Exactly same as XDA2 looks wise.
Sorry 'bout photo!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How is it possible to move the clock from up on the bar to the today screen items?
Is this ROM available for XDA II?

not sure how to remove the clock, not even sure it was there to start with but the screen rotation icon has also gone..
Can someone with a fresh 2i please confirm there is a clock time showing on the display at the top right
Thanks
John

The clock is on upper right of 'Title Bar' to begin with but as soon as o2 Active installs, it's gone. I like the clock up there so I stopped installation.
Did this after a hard reset as was curious to see if o2 Active was causing my 2i to run slowly - and Hey Presto, I get clock back and a quicker 2i
Cyber-mate, I think the clock being part of Today 'list of items' is due to the o2 Active interface.
Below is a link to a registry hack that allows you to show either time, date, both or neither on top right of screen.
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/kb.php?mode=article&k=4

applecom said:
Just my fhorts on the XDA2i.....
As to the Camera, it just as crap as the XDA2 or XDA2s but now it takes bigger crap pictures, a typical picture set to XL size is around 185kb. One thing tho i seems to take 2 seconds to take the picture, I.E you push the capture button then move to phone you take a picture of a blur.
The turbo mode.... not sure if i see any differance
the WiFi says it connects at 11MBs where as my XDA2 + sandisk card and the XDA2s only said 2MBs, not that i care as long as it connects, and it sure dose the range is as good as my laptop, Far better than XDA2 and 2s.
it did have a nice little icon on the task bar i surpose you call it on the bottom right to rotate the screen, anyway i nstalled the o2-plus-1.5 and it made it very slow, so i removed it and it has stolen the nice screen rotate icon
the desk stand is of corse the same as the XDA2 the battery is the same fitting, size and looks, but is now 1300 ma/h were the XDA2 is 1200 mh/a i still have a old XDA2 battery (thank god) as the 2i loves to eat up battery power
i liked the XDA2 but wonted the built in WiFi as i never had the sandisk WiFi card with me, so of corse as soon as i could i got a PDA2k, then changed to the 2s as soon as o2 had them in the UK, i never used the keyboard on it, and the microphone was crap, also as the bluetooth did not work, i am so pleased to get what i always wonted a XDA2 with WiFi built in.
as to windows media player 10, not sure what all the fuss is about
it now has 60mb of storage but 1GB SD cards only costing £40 not suck a problem,
as yet i have not tried WiFiFoFun or TT3 bluetooth on it...
As to bluetooth its version 3900 where that latest i found for the 2s was 3500...
The connection icons at the top are a little more helpfull, but no clock on the bar at the top.
i cant find my old XDA2 battery (sorry backpack) to try and keep it lasting a bit longer, i will find it and try it ( and put something in the PCMCIA solt) rather than just as a battery and report how it goes
the Bluetooth for the headset works as good as it did in the XDA2, not perfect but a million times better than the 2s...
So as you can see from the above, I like to have the latest phone, I dont use technicle (cant spell it either) words, and i HATE the 2s.
As to the 2s i have some bits for them that will go on ebay please see the pic
Thanks for reading and please ask me any questions as long as you dont mind a non technicale answer
John
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the picture that you have uploaded here is it taken by xdaIIi ???
IF NOT THEN PLEASE CAN ANYONE UPLOAD A PIC TAKEN OUT BY XDAIIi
thanks in advance
jeetz

No the piture was tacken useing a proper camera...
its 4pm at the moment and i have just tacken these pics the first pic in in the house with 2 windows and what i would say is plenty of light,
John

Considering the K-Jam... suggestions ?

I currently have a Jasjar, but I'm finding it too big...
I love all the features, but I want to be able to use it one-handed, throw it in my pocket, etc... the K-Jam seems like a good alternative.
The only things that I'm not liking about the K-Jam are:
- Lower rez screen (but it's smaller than the Jasjar, 3.6" vs. 2.8"... so its still pretty sharp... and I can't really see where I couldn't live without it)
- 2.5" headset jack, and on the bottom... (kinda annoying... but could use an adapter... but still a hassle because I currently plug my MP3 player into my car, my headphones AND speakers at the office, and I'll have to have an adapter sticking out of the bottom of my phone now...)
- Mini-SD card... (SD is much better to go above 2GB, even up to 4GB... and it's not exactly a well known or used format... SD is cheaper, and Memory Stick Pro Duo is coming down in price since the PSP came out... but what can I do)
Also, does it work well for one-handed use ?
Any ex-Treo users who care to comment ?
Any ideas ? Suggestions ?
Thanks !

The wizard is a solid device. Go for it!!
You will love the extra battery life and size. I really could not imagine having a universal clipped to my belt weighing my pants down.
I upgraded from an alpine and I could not be happier.
Higher screen REZ is not needed on a screen that small. The screen is much sharper compared to the alpine.
The OMAP cpu is just enough processing power to run everything out there.
Also, I noiticed you were in Canada so I doubt you were making use of the 3G power of the universal(probably another 5-7 years for Canada). The wizard is EDGE enabled so if you use rogers you will see great data download rates. I was lucky enough to already be signed up with fido and their $50/month unlimited data plan when rogers took over fido so i am paying $50 a month for unlimited EDGE use. I am quite sure FIDO does not offer this plan to new subscibers anymore.
My only compliants with the wizard are:
-HTC needs to make better use of the device by increasing screen size without increasing the size of the device.(all HTC devices)
-The stylus hole is a joke. My stylus hole wore out within 1 week and now my stylus slides out of the hole very easily. Soon it will probably be falling out. Didn't they bother testing this at all???
-no GPS.

hey audible,
thanks for the reply !
I am with fido / rogers as well and I signed up for the unlimited plan as well... are you in Montreal ? and where did you order your K-Jam ?
so yeah I'd be good using the EDGE support... I often use my p800 as a bluetooth modem with my laptop.
a few questions:
- that sounds bad about the stylus... is there a solution ?
- have you experienced any issues multi-tasking with the OMAP ?
- have you ever tried a VGA screen on a pda to compare ?
- how's the k-jams one handed use ? have you ever tried a treo for one handed use in comparison ?
- did you remap the explorer and mail buttons to something more useful ? like windows and OK ?
- does the 2.5" jack bother you ? do you use an adapter ?
- does the keyboard slide mechanism feel solid ? I'm worried now after what you said about the stylus...
thanks and look forward to your reply !
Posted from a Universal !

- that sounds bad about the stylus... is there a solution ?
I haven't had any probs with my stylus yet, except it may be a little looser than when I got it.
- have you experienced any issues multi-tasking with the OMAP ?
Nope, I can have several apps open at once (eg. Calender, Notes, Email, MSN, IE x 2 (using PPCPlus), TCPMP playing MP3) and its fine.
- have you ever tried a VGA screen on a pda to compare ?
It resembles the crispness of VGA screen because of its smaller size, but in no way matches the res.
- how's the k-jams one handed use ? have you ever tried a treo for one handed use in comparison ?
Haven't tried a treo, but WM5 is great for one handed use. I can do most things without the stylus. The Win and Ok keys on the keyboard make it even easier.
- did you remap the explorer and mail buttons to something more useful ? like windows and OK ?
You can, but I find their defaults good.
- does the 2.5" jack bother you ? do you use an adapter ?
I rarely use it, but yes when I do I use an adaptor.
- does the keyboard slide mechanism feel solid ? I'm worried now after what you said about the stylus...
I am happy with the slider. It seems pretty solid, and the screen definately feels like it will stay up when it is up.

Hey mitchello,
thanks for your feedback !
Audible:
Any comments ?

Wizard (imate K-JAM) is awesome!
Moving from a Blue Angel to the wizrd has so far been very pleasing. The smaller screen has been a little daunting, especially trying to use the "finger" stylus, but beyond that I highly recommend it.
Stability and features in WM5 are nice, and should not be discounted.
I'm on T-Mobile in the US, and EDGE is great at around 150kbs, compared to 30kbs via GPRS.

i upgraded from my IMATE PPC and i love the K-JAM , it is a little slow , but the battery is great.. i love the deviced , once you get used to it and all features you will love it..
i used adapter to play MP3 in my car and it work great...
good luck

i upgraded from my IMATE PPC and i love the K-JAM , it is a little slow , but the battery is great.. i love the deviced , once you get used to it and all features you will love it..
i used adapter to play MP3 in my car and it work great...
good luck

Hey rah,
thanks for the comments !
Good to hear someone else who uses it to play tunes in the car.
What about one-handed use ? Do you feel you have to do finger aerobics to do certain things, like open the start menu ?
I've heard of people mapping the Send Call button to the Start menu in the Today screen...
I'm wondering if I could map Send and End to Start and OK in every screen except for the Phone screen ?
Any comments ?

Sold my Qtek 9100 today... and am happy about it

After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.

naughty said:
I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Blasphemy...... and in a wizard forum!
I know what you mean though - maybe a prophet will do you, some times i think i would have preferred a prophet being slimmer more rigid and 2mp camera. But today when writing a long text. i know why i like the wizard - the keyboard

naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.

Bratag said:
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just wanted to share my disappointment. I will talk to you after you own the Wizard for 5 months, PM me then with feedback.

Well I've had mine for 6 now, and here's my experiences...
- it's slower than expected ( yes, I could overclock, but really.. I don't want it faster that badly )
- the paint peeled off the IE/Mail/Soft key buttons.. ah well, big deal - the mail button goes to the start menu and the IE button clicks on the app close button, so the icons don't match my functions anyway.
- no paint peeled off the sides yet
- no loose stylus yet (I tend to collapse it before inserting it - maybe that reduces stress on the part that breaks off?)
All in all, I'm quite happy with it. Sure, I would've liked it faster, and maybe 640x480 would've been nice (and built-in GPS, FM radio, a 3.5mm headphones plug, better volume on hands-free (oddly, an episode of stargate I put on there plays quite loudly - so it should be possible.. haven't tried those reghacks yet), maybe a scroll wheel, and a 2-3MP decent camera would've been plusses)... but here's the thing... None of the devices out there that fit that bill (to greater or lesser extent) appeal to me. They're either even bulkier and less practical to me (e.g. Universal) or their button layout irks me (Magician, and upcoming 'Wizard replacement' Hermes), etc. Form-factor wise, the Wizard suits me best, and that's why I got it - the slightly slower performance (I noticed it in the store) wasn't so much an issue for me.. I'm not using it to play the latest 3D game.

I have had my QTEK 9100 since January and I have to say that it is the best phone I have ever owned. Of course it is my first Pocket PC so that doesn’t give me much to compare to. It does have some small issues but overall, I am glad I bought it. I am also experiencing the stylus fallout issue but plan to try the suggestion offered in another thread once I receive my replacement stylus next week. No issues yet with the paint but that is not important to me because I have reprogrammed most of the buttons to perform another function anyway. I also find it a pain to have to hard reset when upgrading the ROM or sometimes the device just starts acting weird (like windows 9x) so I just reformat it. Long process but it works. I would have to say that this device is not friendly enough yet for the average consumer but this forum has been a great help with resolving issues and offering tips. I think I would have gone nuts if it weren’t for this forum! The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.

keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.

naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I had the same paint problem with Himalaya device (qtek2020). I suppose this is due to wet hands I also have the same problem with my notebook ASUS M2Ne. But the problem is solved by annual ordering of the case for notebook and I suppose you can order cases for your handhelds too.
As for now, I don't have any problems as you did with wizard. I will try to be careful with mentioned areas

Thomas1234 said:
keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wish it was that easy... tried that and they claim my number is not valid and that I need to contact the vendor where I purchased for updates... well that vendor is EBAY so I am SOL on that. So I rely on this site for my updates.

@keitht :
I guess that the person - who sold this to you - registered the IMEI already therfore you have to know his Username and Password to login, or tell him to delete the IMEI from his account, then you can register your imei for your account.
I don't know if you can reach the seller anyway, but I think this is what happened and this what can be done to solve this problem.
BTW I am happy with the Wizard, but this is only my 3rd day using it , that means this thread doesn't count me.

with regards to the paint peeling off... no, that's not normal, really. If you want these things to last, then you don't use decals (cheap keyboards use these... you'll see the letters 'chip' off) or paint (slightly more expensive keyboards.. the letters will fade) - you use cut-outs or impregnation. On the Wizard, for example, check the green/red phone buttons (when they're not backlit). Those will never fade or chip, as they're cut-outs.
Note that they could have used cut-outs for the other buttons as well, but cut-outs are slightly more expensive, and it would be even more expensive once you factor in branding (e.g. T-Mobile would need a whole special cut-out for their HotSpots icon instead of the IE icon - whereas now, that's just a different stamp)
However, even given that it's not normal - it *is* common, and I've just come to expect it from anything that uses decals/paints for any graphics/lettering. You lean to live with it, unfortunately

I have had more than 10 different pocket pc's and 2 different pocket pc phones in the last 5 years and have to say that my Qtek 9100 is my favorite handheld device yet. It has a great battery life, does not lose data if the battery dies, works great as a web browsing tool, computer, and phone, and also works remarkebly well with bluetooth. I find it to be the first converged device I have owned that I can just use, without having to constantly fuss with it to make it work. It is far from perfect, but definitely good enough for my purposes so that when I travel I do not need to carry my laptop, as it fulfills all my computing needs, albeit with a slightly less than ideal user experience. I am more than willing to put up with the minor idiosyncracies of the device when I consider how many devices it can fill the gap for.

I'm using my Wizard for 7 months now, and it's definitely the best PDA/phone I've ever had. Ok, the build quality isn't on par with brands like Sony-Ericsson or Samsung, but the functionality makes up for everything. I use it for push-mail, navigating, browsing, contacts and calendar. When traveling by train, I hook it up to my laptop and use it as a GPRS-modem (I've got flat-fee GPRS from T-Mobile), zo I'm connected to the internet and the office. I use it at home on the sofa for browsing and MSN when my wife is watching stuff I really don't wanna watch (like soaps). In my car it's used as a navigation device (Adapt 300 GPS) and it's connected with my BT Logitech headset.
The paint hasn't scraped off anywhere, but the stylus comes loose too easy (a single wrap of tape around the black tip works fine).
Great phone, I'd cry if I had to miss it

I have the K-Jam since october 2005, so almost 8 month now.
For me it is also the best PDA in years.
It's the first PDA that lasts longer than half a year with me. :lol:
And I don't even see a suitable successor in the near future.
I don't face the problems with paint peeling off.
Ok, the mail and the IE button have faded a little, but that's all.
And, of course, the speed isn't everything, it could be improved.
The stylus is a little loose, but it doesn't falls out (yet)
And I am very, very pleased with the pushmail and A2DP.

I've had my Vario for around 6 months now, and don't see any of the problems the thread starter has found.
I treat my phone with care amd respect, in return it keeps all its paint on for me.
It may be true that the Vario build quality is not a patch on the MDA Compact, but it's still in good condition.

I've had my vario now for 3 months and the main problem I have with it is the stylus not holding as well as it did when it was new. No paint peeling off etc.
It may only be a 195mhz processor, but it is faster than my Treo 650 with a 312mhz processor.
I've used most of the Treos' and this is my first device on the 'dark side'! The treo is simpler to use, but the wizard was the closest I could get with the same size form. Unfortunately for Palm, WM5 is streets ahead of Palm os - maybe that is why they released the 700w.
Anyway, the 700 is not an option for me in the UK.
Connecting to 2 bluetooth devices at the same time, stereo bluetooth capability - all things treo 650 users wanted, multitasking - the list goes on. I can see me upgrading to the 3G version of the wizard when it's time to upgrade my phone in the future, in a little over a year.
When I was given the phone by T-Mobile, I wasn't going to use it, and just use my Treo 650, but the more I read about the vario and then used it, the more I liked it.
The wizard rocks.

I LOVE everything abouth my wizard! I'll upgrade only to wizard with microdrive (when ever it be)!

My 8125 is my first "Dark Side" device too. I've never been happier. The only thing I miss about PalmOS was the wonderful screen realestate on my Tungsten T3.
I've punished the case on mine pretty badly too and it's never chipped or peeled. The only thing that happened was that little rubber "foot" on the battery cover came off. I wonder if the various style of Wizard cases are built by different manufacturers? That could account for this.

Athena or Ameo - first few days.

Hi, Great forum people, at least you get the chance to write up your thoughts.
My first Post on this site, and my initail thoughts.
I got an Ameo as an upgrade to my "MDA PRO" from T-Mobile. It looks like a UMPC but not quite there. I second all your thoughts on the device. One thing that is "interesting is the motion sensor" i.e. you can move around the web browsers via tilting the machine, but a bit like my PS3 Motion Sensor Games it gets a bit of getting use to so I tend not to use it.
Another useful thing above the MDA was the little 5 way joypad which is useful if you don't feel pulling out the pen. But this is definitely a Two Hands Device.
I always try and get the most techie gadget from my Tmobile as possible, the odd view I know but I dont actually believe this is a useable phone, so I still use my trusty SONYp900 with rubbish battery.
Although I must admit the MDA pro battery is pretty bad, that I upgraded to a larger and thus more bulkier model.
So Far I have been impressed with the Ameo's battery - life and as others have commented that the usb charging takes longer from Laptop/PC than the official adapter included. But alas I think after using it it will only really last a day at most … so I have to carry a charger with me if at work etc.
One thing I am confused about is that T-Mobile - I never had any Composite out / S-VHS output cable - just a VGA cable, not sure if this is standard or misinformation I did however had VGA out - it would have been nice to show family pics when travelling etc on family TV's at times.
For me this is exactly as you said a Filofax that BT headset would be useful for making calls. I use it to do exactly "work" related diarycalendar and massive contact list, and keep documents hat I am working on within for reference, must get a Blue Tooth keyboard that sounds useful.
Use the MDA PRO keypad was actually quite tactile and useable, this Ameo however is a very ZX80 "showing my age". but that being said I did edit my CV quite easily.
I would like to say when I saw the screen size I was impressed but the resolution is a let down, I think its more to do with WM5 rather than the device I presume but not sure of the Technical on this.
This machine is just screaming to be a LINUX machine with Phone and GPS built in, open office and more etc, utilising the screen size to a better effect. Dunno just a thought.
WM5 is not really eye candy in pink, so this is a let down, if not embarrassing, some peopel out there would slap you if you answered the Ameo in public so BT is useful and Hands free a necessity.
It "could" make a useful recorder for meetings. Also useful that it has a 3MP Camera, I took some shots and all were useful, but the device is slow and tedious and simple camera's are better Although it has stretched the boundaries i.e PDA/Phone etc. (noting the Nokia N95)
One thing is that it requires you to have a very steady hand or need to be leaning against something to take a top quality shot that again needs to be Still, I got tried of asking my 3 year old lad to hold still ;-) and did not even try with my fast crawling 9 month baby boy.
My wife thinks its yet another waste of money, but I explained to her that I never actually bought it, and it allowed me not to have to carry a laptop and the Work PC and this would be sufficient. So If you are after saving your back then great.
I am now actually on the look out for a really simple phone which can sync with outlook and preferably pay as you go.
So - now I don’t have to carry my ipod - music, Sony PSP for MP4, Laptop - general work. If I look at it that way all well and good. It does feel a bit odd that one I do pull it out it feels like the daddy of PDAs or an ARCHOS Media Player. Pity that the Linux thought that the USB sync cable could connect it to a further Hard drive? making it a TV recorder? Dreaming now sorry.
I hear HTC have a 7inch Vista Compatible. I think that Microsoft/HTC need to release WM6 on the AMEO with T-Mobile quickly.
Anyone know how to get rid of the T-Mobile customisation I remember that there use to be hack for the MDA PRO.
Also NO Anti Virus - or is it that I have not even opened or read Manual the CD-ROM may contain it? can someone confirm as I have to hide everything from the kids otherwise it becomes pulp in there mouths.
So far my littles ones have some great hand me downs, whilst I try and justify the Apple TV thing that just came through a month or so late ;-) belated Valentines Gift for my wife ;-), Pity I could not get this thing engraved with my wifes name on it, usually helps with the unwrapping.
Oh boy before I forget, I thought it was just me, but the screen is useless outside. it reflects so much that you cannot see anything outside. this is really annoying try to use the GPS. so the Voice and sound need to be loud. Notably I did have the screen protector supplied stuck on the Ameo. One thing it makes it more UNsensitive i.e. need to prod it firmly when utilising one finger and not the pointer, which surprisingly does stay in it hole, and does not fall out when there is a breeze in the air.
Another good thing is that streaming books is great for the Kids. The Speakers (stereo work well) althought they are very spoilt with Beolabs 8000 and 6000's around the house, amazingly they don't touch those.
With all the usb charges cables about the place and prying childrens hands I am a bit wary of the thing being pulled of table.
The leather case is really good quality leather, and I think although I like to keep everything quite new looking it may look even better with age.
BUT the protection it offers is minimal, i.e. its no ipod rubber skin etc, and the Ameo is no Light Bunny. If it was picked up I in a food fight accidentally then this would hurt ;-). Where am I going with this is that Hard Drive, and I have worked within IBM Engineering Manufacturing “Files/DASD or Hard Drives”. Can it take a bump is going to be found out by my toddlers sooner than later and this scares me a tad, Solid State could not arrive quick enough albeit for in flight parking technologies. Come on Samsung bring those prices down for that 64GB device.
That Magnetic Keyboard is definitely a Trick and credit to HTC nice idea and shows the shielding has been well thought out it reminds me of the shielding in Larger drives and Actuator Arms. One thing I would have like was another case which just allowed the Ameo to be used Palm Like.and a carrying strap should had least been an option, as long as it was not as girly as the PSP one.
Thinking Back PSION and HP and Ericson Pocket PC etc, this is that Nokia Communicator type machine. It nearly all there but not just quite.
Yes I will get an I-Phone engraved for my wife of course,. As I got this on a twelve month Contract. It does allow me to surf the web adequately but jave based websites still struggle with WM5. this is annoying if you use BT Yahoo, and even there non java based site there is issues with some very important icons.
Skype –usage with T-Mobile costs extra on top of web-n-walk so bear that in mind. This is a bit of a farce. But it would be ideal for Skype etc. If any hackers out there sort this out I will be impressed, I suppose T-Mobile monitor the Skpe services PORT?
One other thing I maybe correct about is there is no infra red port, as this would have made the best ever remote control. Although I do have an amazing B&O 7000 and beolink 5000 and standard beolink which all have immensely powerful beams. It would have been nice to add to my collection one that I could programme the non B&O kit with.
Hmmmm could add it to the Kitchen that I am thinking of doing up, drop down timer, internet cookbook, bollywood film streamer ;-) I think my wife may allow for it.
Anyways hope this adds to some of the thoughts others have written.
Speed of use and generally moving about I not totally impressed about although I am use to trading floor compute back bones, you can live with it. Thing that annoys me is the start up time to making a phone call quickly if you had to. One of the reasons for not using it as phone apart from looking like a person ready to be mugged.NFL.
More updates later.

Woah, that's one very helpful impression.
Thank you, please keep more coming.
I'm still with my Dopod 900/Universal, and thinking of upgrading to U1000 due to the speed, battery life, and bigger screen.
I find that my dopod 900 memory often drops below 10mb and this slows down the speed significantly. I do hope with U1000, the speed would improve tremendously. The Dopod 900 Battery life was not enough to keep me up for a whole day either. I do a lot of readings and typings with my PDA on the road, so bigger screen would be a bonus.
Although, U1000 seems heavier and bigger on spec paper, but I find that in my pant's pocket(Hugo Boss Dress pants) I find U1000 to be more comfortable, perhaps due to its thinner design?
The Dopod 900 is a bit thick and pressing against my thigh. So for some reason dopod 900 is less comfortable for me.

akhanaix said:
This machine is just screaming to be a LINUX machine with Phone and GPS built in, open office and more etc, utilising the screen size to a better effect.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can you help me by running haret on Athena and doing some tests ?
There is already some information gathered here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch
and many subsystems are already supported.
It is realistic to run Linux off the ramdisk very soon.

jlingo said:
Woah, that's one very helpful impression.
Thank you, please keep more coming.
I'm still with my Dopod 900/Universal, and thinking of upgrading to U1000 due to the speed, battery life, and bigger screen.
I find that my dopod 900 memory often drops below 10mb and this slows down the speed significantly. I do hope with U1000, the speed would improve tremendously. The Dopod 900 Battery life was not enough to keep me up for a whole day either. I do a lot of readings and typings with my PDA on the road, so bigger screen would be a bonus.
Although, U1000 seems heavier and bigger on spec paper, but I find that in my pant's pocket(Hugo Boss Dress pants) I find U1000 to be more comfortable, perhaps due to its thinner design?
The Dopod 900 is a bit thick and pressing against my thigh. So for some reason dopod 900 is less comfortable for me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, I use 900 before and now with u1000..
Honestly, dont sell ur 900 for the u1000..
I have it both now..
900 have something really good as an alternative..
lighter, an all in one keyboard, a backlight keyboard, a 4 rows keyboard.
For me, both of them have similar battery life.... Both good. u1000 a bit longer if the light set lower (but 20% light is higher than the 900 already)
I use 900 for 1.5 yrs, it is great and still the best in any PDA phone.
Get u1000 for a new fresh good, wider screen, more bright screen, faster speed, GPS, HSDPA. It for sure worth!!!

wonder said:
Well, I use 900 before and now with u1000..
Honestly, dont sell ur 900 for the u1000..
I have it both now..
900 have something really good as an alternative..
lighter, an all in one keyboard, a backlight keyboard, a 4 rows keyboard.
For me, both of them have similar battery life.... Both good. u1000 a bit longer if the light set lower (but 20% light is higher than the 900 already)
I use 900 for 1.5 yrs, it is great and still the best in any PDA phone.
Get u1000 for a new fresh good, wider screen, more bright screen, faster speed, GPS, HSDPA. It for sure worth!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes i also agree the keyboard isn't that good in Athena, but hey don't forget, there is a possibility that we can buy extra keyboard that is better then Universal to attach to out Athena in the future.

My Ameo - unlock cost me £15 on T-Mobile
OK ... still playing with My Ameo.
Updates ... I have a Tom Tom 6 installed. - Will report back GPS capabilities soon.
WMStorage - worked 2nd time around but cannot get it working anymore. cant connect to usb driver error etc. Tried the threads but to no avail. - it maybe a TT6 thing.
Noted that after TT6 install the abilitiy to open media player files have become messed up on the web, it like it does not recognise them and I have to "save as" only - anyone know how to solve or experince this?
Not sure if some file associations have gone AWOL.
Definately still too big to Talk into, screen useless still in the SUN, waiting for the right type of sunshine ;-), Probably a good thing that you cannot use it outside when people can see you! ;-). Actualy I have started to use my mda pro a bit more and it actually feels usuable and small and a breath of fresh air scarily I might even use it as a phone now.
Installed ozVGA, amkes its a supperb document viewer - although cannot use the phone pad, but hey I am not making any calls ;-)
Biggest update - I thought I would like to use it as an emergency phone. without having to pull out my SIM card from other phone all the time. Noting I use Wifi most of the time. I thus phoned T-Mobile - got into chatting how I wold like to use the newly bought device abroad for a Month and if I could have it unlocked, the representative said £15 on the next bill, I said darn oh well, plaease put it on my next bill, and proceeded to give the IMEI number over the phone, she said that it would take 28 Days, to deliver to my home address. I said could it be meailed - she said yes, but it still takes 28 days ... checkig and procedures I guess... but I went for the email option hoping it maybe quicker, plus I can chase them without getting into postal issues.
But this now gives me a unlocked phone, pending them saying I should not have been given the ability to have it etc.... I am on flext25 webnwalk (12 month Contaract) but have been with them since the begining. Hopefuly giving me enough time to see iphone in the UK for next purchase.
Next stage, understand what Haret is? and how to get the info requested - earlier in the thread.
About to go down to phones4u and pick up a Motofone for £15, thin and simple.
Noted one really annoying thing, by the vue flow, there is a scratch apperaing from closing the case i.e. the plastic form teh keyboard contacts rubs direct against teh edge of the screen metal, and this is casuing me concern, it could easily dent it. I like to keep everythign like new, plastic, I dont even throw ties away ;-) so this is going to be annoying. its like gettinga dent on the Ferrari after just buying it, touching the screen of the of Bang and Olufsen Beovision 5 or worse a hole within the fret ;-).
regards Aamir.

akhanaix said:
Next stage, understand what Haret is? and how to get the info requested - earlier in the thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haret is "HArdware Reverse Engineering Tool". It's a wince program
with the source code available under GPL,
and you can get the latest precompiled version here
http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret
The program allows a very detailed research in an interactive mode,
but first i'm interested in the most simple things.
Please put this program in some directory, and create a file named
"default.txt" containing a line
Code:
dump gpio athenagpio
in the same directory.
Start the program and press the "Run" button.
Exit.
You should see the file "athenagpio" in the same directory.
Please upload it here.

Haret dump file
CR2, Please see attached file.
It seems to be looking for a connection on port 9999, but I exited and the resulting file uploaded, let me know if this is incorrect or if I can assist further.
knid regards Aamir.

akhanaix said:
It seems to be looking for a connection on port 9999, but I exited and the resulting file uploaded, let me know if this is incorrect or if I can assist further.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool Dumping settings from a working machine is often
much more helpful than any static analysis.
I'm already editing the wiki based on your data.
Can you connect to the machine with telnet to port 9999,
and do you know how to log the session ?
We need to find out your board ID (if you don't know it already from the bootloader) and it is possible to dump a lot of other useful info.

Please give me the details and I wil try, I am currently away from my pc, but in essence is this correct :
[1] get the bootloader details (quick link please)
[2] Connect to the "home" wifi network.
[3] Work out the ip address on the Ameo
[4] telnet form PC on Wifi network to the Ameo ip Address
e.g.
[4.1] open command window or cmd on Home PC
[4.2] telnet 192.168.0.xxx [space] 9999
After which i suspect I am connected to something running on that 9999 port?
please let me know if that is roughly what you are after and then I can assist.
kind regards Aamir.

akhanaix said:
Please give me the details and I wil try, I am currently away from my pc, but in essence is this correct :
[1] get the bootloader details (quick link please)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not necessary, we can find it out ourselves.
[2] Connect to the "home" wifi network.
[3] Work out the ip address on the Ameo
[4] telnet form PC on Wifi network to the Ameo ip Address
e.g.
[4.1] open command window or cmd on Home PC
[4.2] telnet 192.168.0.xxx [space] 9999
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly.
After which i suspect I am connected to something running on that 9999 port?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are connected to haret (remote debugger, if you like) and can run debugging commands.
BTW, it can be deduced from your dump that the phone and wifi are
switched off. Can you switch them on (maybe the GPS too) and
do the gpiodump again ?
Thanks!

wu5262 said:
yes i also agree the keyboard isn't that good in Athena, but hey don't forget, there is a possibility that we can buy extra keyboard that is better then Universal to attach to out Athena in the future.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?

jlingo said:
Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This one
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=140983

jlingo said:
Hi Wu,
What is this extra keyboard you are talking about?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
there isn't one yet, all i am saying is there is a possibility that we will see third party keyboard that we can attach and replace the original one, it might have some more features such as extra row. Personally, i think it isn't that hard to achieve.

Wizard Vs. Wing

So my wizard has been acting up (see the annoying white screen post ) i was wondering first of all if i am allowed to send in my MDA to get it replaced with a Wing for free, since they no longer make MDAs and my MDA is not working properly. Second is the Wing better than the MDA, because i heard that it only has 1 speaker, and no IR (i dont really use IR but its nice to have it). So i was wondering if the speaker is really different than the MDAs or are they both about the same in loudness and quality level.?
BTW: I live in the US so it would be T-Mobile US.

killerkhatiby009 said:
So my wizard has been acting up (see the annoying white screen post ) i was wondering first of all if i am allowed to send in my MDA to get it replaced with a Wing for free, since they no longer make MDAs and my MDA is not working properly. Second is the Wing better than the MDA, because i heard that it only has 1 speaker, and no IR (i dont really use IR but its nice to have it). So i was wondering if the speaker is really different than the MDAs or are they both about the same in loudness and quality level.?
BTW: I live in the US so it would be T-Mobile US.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nobody, except Tmobile can answer your question about getting the Wing as a free replacement for MDA
For MDA vs Wing, I can share my experience with you. I recently got the Wing to play around with and still have my MDA. There are some areas of improvements on the Wing but there are also some downside. But IMHO the improvement is out weight the cons. Missing IR is a disadvantage, but most pp don't use the IR connection nowaday, Bluetooth is over taking the IR.
For speakers, hard to tell with one is better. I think the MDA is a little louder, but the Wing seems to have the clearer sound. Hard to say which is better.

I called T-Mobile about getting a Wing and what would happen if I had an issue with my mda and needed a replacement and T-Mobile still has MDAs to send out to people that need replacements. So I`d doubt they`ll send you a wing instead.

I don't have any proof of this but I have heard that T-mobile is sending wings out to people who have a defective MDA. You'd have to call T-mobile to be sure, of course. There is probably a finite supply of MDA's left in their inventory as it is, so eventually you will probably only be able to get a wing as a replacement. When that will be, I have no idea...
My husband has the wing and I have the mda. I like having the IR because there is a program that will let you use your device as a universal remote. Comes in very handy when you're in a place where you'd like to change the TV channel but don't have the remote (hospital rooms, hotels, etc).
I haven't really listened closely to my husband's wing but the speaker quality seems to be decent. When his phone rings I can't tell whether it is mine or his. I've been flashing my rom a lot lately so there hasnt been any use in changing the ringer all the time.
One thing I am jealous about with hubby's Wing is that the screen pops out from the keyboard instead of sliding the way the MDA does. So you don't get the problem of the screen hanging halfway off of the keyboard if you don't close it all the way.
Also the stylus doesn't just fall out of the Wing like it does with the MDA.
If you get a Wing you will not be able to use your Mini SD card since the Wing uses Micro SD.
The Wing's Comm Manager button is on the keyboard instead of the side of the case. Unless there's a trick we haven't noticed yet, you can't just hold down a button on the side of the case to switch between speaker and vibrate. You actually have to do something on-screen or pop out the keyboard.
WM6 on the MDA works great for me (using X-plore), and it is faster than the old WM5. With that in mind, I'm not noticing a huge increase in speed or performance with the Wing. I haven't really looked much into it but hubby tells me the two devices use the same cpu.
The Wing has the 2 MP camera whereas the MDA has 1 MP. Image quality is about the same except of course the Wing can store larger images. If you want, pm me and I can take 2 pictures of the same object using the Wing and the MDA and let you compare them... I don't know how important that is to you.
The Wing is somewhat lighter than the MDA, but hubby and I both find this weight difference to be barely noticeable. Wing is slightly thinner. Again, its a minimal difference.
The Wing is, as far as I know, the Herald, so you might also want to check the herald forums to see what people think and feel about theirs.
Personally, I'm satisfied with my MDA and I wouldn't want to trade it in unless it was suffering from a major disfunction.

Wow, thanks that was a lot of info. Ill talk to T-mobile about replacing my MDA because it is defective, my screen keeps turning completely white for no reason and to remove the whiteness i have to slide out the keyboard just so the first row of keys show. But anyway thanks for the information, it has saved me a ton of time looking for reviews and comparisons.

Can Aim be any slower!
hey Im a happy MDA user but I have never been happy with the extreme slowness of the aim. Thats the only problem i have with my MDA, the msn messenger goes really quick i dont understand why the aim is soo slow.Is there any way i can make it faster!? ive tried numerous things since september of 06 lol. and does anybody know if the aim on the wing goes quicker? because Ive been eyeing the wing. help !

my opinion
so I got my wing yesterday, first impression it feels nice since I had WM6 on my MDA there was not much to explore the first thing I checked was MEMORY and that did not look pretty here is what I had:
Storage Programs
total:39.44 Total: 43.87
in use: 13.87 in use: 28 something
Free: 25 MB or so Free: 15 something
compared to what I have on my MDA with the awsome wm6 X-plore 2.0n and after installing over 10 apps and all kinds of tweaks this wing is a real WIMP on memory, so I decided to do a hard reset and did soft reset before the Tmobile customization started I wanted to get rid of all T-mobile crap but that did not work it did get rid of some apps and I ganed about 7MB of storage memory but did not help the program memory I gues some of the T-Movbile stuff is part of the Rom and that sucks. when I did the first soft reset I kept looking for the hole on th right side of the phone but it was on the left, since I am right handed that to me is an inconvenience, the siding action on the keyboard is nice, typing on it is not bad at all, what I did not like about it is that it's slides open the opposite way the MDA does again I think that is another inconvenience for a right handed person since most people use their thumb to push the keyboard open, I thought to myself maybe they had a right handed and left handed version...lol.. beacause this is annoying for a right handed person, then again maybe its just me. I like the new "ok" and "windows" buttons the front keys are nice and easy to use I am not sure I like the side buttons lay out I liked them better on the MDA. Before I got this wing thing I wondered how the sound would be with one speaker well, I found out the sound on the MDA is louder when playing mp3 files and when the phone rings quality wise it's close but overall I like the MDA stereo speakers better, the camera on the wing is better quality of course it should be since it's 2.0 MP vs the 1.3 mp on the MDA.
Overall it's an ok device I think I have to give it a couple of weeks see how me and IT get along, but my number one wish is TO FLASH IT and get all that wasted memory back, and that will happen I just dont wanna falsh now because there is no ship rom to go back to in case I brick it.
anyway that was my opinion so far and I will post more as time goes.

SamanthaLovesPink said:
hey Im a happy MDA user but I have never been happy with the extreme slowness of the aim. Thats the only problem i have with my MDA, the msn messenger goes really quick i dont understand why the aim is soo slow.Is there any way i can make it faster!? ive tried numerous things since september of 06 lol. and does anybody know if the aim on the wing goes quicker? because Ive been eyeing the wing. help !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
try using IMplus it's fast and works well for all messengers.