I wanted to know is there a way to use the storage card for program memory?
I run PIE and try to run WMP at the same time and the phone really slows down.
sometimes I am just playing music and it eats up so much program memory even when I closed all other apps...
even just pocket IE it slows down a lot when im not even doing much on it
anyone knows how can it be done IF it can be done?
I'm surprised you're having trouble with program memory using just those 2 apps. Are you sure that's your problem? How much program memory do you see after booting? How much after launching each of those apps.
Now, PIE can use a lot of storage memory for caching pages. You *can* relocate that cache to an SD card, if desired.
Back to your initial question, you can increase program memory slightly by patching your ROM to reduce the page pool size. I've done that and it's improved stability and performance of certain large applications I run, PIE and WMP aren't any of them though.
PIE and WMP
There is no way to convert storage to program memory. They are physically different types of memory. You can minimize the use of program memory as mentioned above. That said, PIE is just slow. You can use a WiFi connection and overclock, but you can only do so much. WMP is known to suck memory, and will use whatever you give it. If you aren't using DRM, you can try TCMP or Gsplayer which are free and use less resources if you think it might help to have more memory available. (But I would be surprised if it made much difference.) Check out Smartskey or Omapclock or Batterystatus for overclocking.
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I think all of you have seen this.. Free program stats from around 25 Mb and keeps on going down even if you completely kill the processes. is there a tool which actually kills the resident dlls and other crap in memory.. Please advice.. i want to get out this habbit of soft reset after couple of days just to bring my memory back up where it belongs ;-)
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Zobie
Yeah, leaking memory is also one of the very few things I hate on my Wizard
I also would like to know if there is a Memory Cleaner that works like it should and not only kills open programs.
Had problem also. But the Internet Exploder was to blame. I had the history settings to 30 days. Which is the default. Back to 0 days and everything was hunkydory again.
I had problems with memory too. I had less than 1MB of storage memory left. So I went from a custom 2.17 ROM to Mr. Clean AKU 2.3 and changed the Registry setting for IE as follows:
; IE Cache to storage card
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"Cache"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files"
I've used this ROM for a week now with lots of programs. I have an average of 25 MB of storage free and the system is fast.
I have experienced no problems whatsoever.
If i don't even open the IE will it still be a memory hog?? i don't understand that.. I can understand that if i use IE all the time it will cause problems but if i don't even use it why woud my memory drop with time. Cans omeone please explain. I am not trying to offend neone here but just wante dto know. I can definitely try the reg settings. Please let me know.
Thanks
Zobie
Don't confuse ROM with RAM and storage with program mem. I think the topic starter referred to his RAM mem becoming less every day, resulting in low program mem and slow operations, needing a reset to clear the RAM and speed up the device.
The IE cache is stored in ROM and will only fill your storage but not slow down your device.
memory leaks are unfortunately a standard issue with PPC devices, I have always suffered from them on both WM 2003 SE and Wm5 devices. For me a soft reset now and then clears it up, but I find it an annoying "feature" as well.
I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.
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zobie said:
I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.
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What are the "In Memory DLL's"? Never heard of such a thing.
The memory that slows your device is the addressable application memory, which is a total of 32 MB. You cannot change that or add to it.
Think of it as the same as the Virtual Memory (VM) in Windows XP on your desktop. Every application you open reserves a bit of this virtual memory. Some apps willingly give it up when they close - some that are not as well written do not. A soft reset when you see the device slowing is about all you can do.
My only other advice is that skinned applications - particularly Today screen plugins - use up this addressable memory very quickly. This includes Wisbar Advance2, PocketBreeze and iLauncher, and any weather program. If you are running these, you will always have similar issues. Find an acceptable mix of skinned apps that you must have, and try doing without the rest just to see how it treats your device's memory.
And if you want to see what processes are running, and how much memory they are using, try MemMaid by Dinarsoft or SK-Tools. Great programs.
Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free. Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?
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Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free.
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Take a look here to learn about what you really see in task manager regarding memory/cpu usage.
http://tinyurl.com/l57w8
Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?
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Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!
Tools Like Memmaid SK-Tools don't allow you to identify rouge elements in memory which nolonger have a parent process running. It is those elemts which eat up the memory. I have SPB tools to actually close the application but even then the memory keeps on falling. I guess there is no tool as of today like Taskmanager or even RAM Optimizer for PPC. A Tool like RAM Optimizer would check for the elements which are residing in RAM and are no longer being used. XDA developers can surely write something using the .NE Framework.
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Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!
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Do you happen to know of a couple that use the WMClose command? I've used HandySwitcher most recently and MagicButton in the past, but have no idea which method(s) they use.
Thank you.
Geoffrey
There must 40 threads on this topics by now. I concur with J-Mac that today plugins are mostly to blame. I use Journal Bar and perform a soft reset roughly every other day. To help the situation I also use 2 programs which I find invaluable - The first is Smartskey which allows you close a program rather than minimise it (its a free download on this forum). The second is SK Tools Free up RAM application which works reasonably well but only delays the enevitable soft reset. It's effectiveness decreases the longer the device remains active.
Pimp Down!
Lately i have been getting this Out of Memory exception Error ALOT. I am running IFONZ with not many customizations and no animations, and i run S2U and S2P from time to time, but anytime i have S2P open in the background and try to open any other app i get the out of memory error or the music starts to skip, DRIVING ME CRAZY. So i am asking of all of the different ROMs available which would be suggested that would have the largest amount of program memory available at startup, and would manage memory the best. Also if there is an App that will regulate memory on a consistent basis (when a program closes, reallocate that mem back to free prog. memory) then i think that would also be a possible solution to my problem. Anyone who can offer some help to a Pimp in Distress will be greatly appreciated.
I had this exact problem a few days ago and it drove me nuts.....My problem was i forgot to hit keylock while it was in my pocket and it started a voice record and recorded from my pocket and created an 80MB voice file which was all I had left in my free memory on the phone. I just went through file explorer and started to delete large files to make room and found that file by accident. Once removed it solved my problems. I also found about a dozen pictures of the inside of pocket that the camera had taken. ha ha ha.
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Pimp Down!
Lately i have been getting this Out of Memory exception Error ALOT. I am running IFONZ with not many customizations and no animations, and i run S2U and S2P from time to time, but anytime i have S2P open in the background and try to open any other app i get the out of memory error or the music starts to skip, DRIVING ME CRAZY. So i am asking of all of the different ROMs available which would be suggested that would have the largest amount of program memory available at startup, and would manage memory the best. Also if there is an App that will regulate memory on a consistent basis (when a program closes, reallocate that mem back to free prog. memory) then i think that would also be a possible solution to my problem. Anyone who can offer some help to a Pimp in Distress will be greatly appreciated.
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You should also look into getting a tool to recover memory such as the oxios or even using the hybernate function in quickmenu. Also move as much as you can to your SD card to include games photos etc...Nex and DCD offer great stripped down ROMs without the OEM bloat.
My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?
I just got my phone and installed a recommended app called oxios.
A friend of mine had the tmobile wing, and it was operating really slowly too. I beamed that app over to him and it made his phone operate much much better.
I'd store stuff on your card, keeps the phone memory free to use and then its also removable if you want to loan some data to a friend or something.
To get Oxios, look at the thread I made called "Sprint Mogul must haves"
Yeah I agree...
Most stuff can be put onto the card.
I only put onto phone storage the stuff I use ALL the time or stuff that HAS to be there or running in the background(like MSVC, dialers, themes, sounds, etc)
I use wisbar advanved desktop and S2U2. I installed THOSE to phone memory along with various themes. It is running all the time and is quicker waking up when the phone rings etc. Ringtones should be on phone memory also.
All my games, other apps (like oxios, gps maps, youtube player, tvguide, aim, etc) are on the card. Because those I use/run them and when I'm done I close them.
Hope this makes sense....
I tried to download the file but it wont let me...do you know somewhere else i can get it? thanks
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My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?
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Generally, it won't make your phone slow if you have a lot of items loaded in local flash ROM. What typically makes it slow is having a number of background tasks that are running. Do you use taskmanager or something to close the excess junk?
Typically, if you have a program that runs on the today screen or in the background, load it in local ROM. If it is huge or seldom used, load it on the storage card.
If you install an app on the storage card, it may be a little slower to load into ram when you start it. Usually that isn't a problem though.
Ok. so I was thinking of installing manila and the opera browser. should i install them on the storage card?
I wouldn't put either of those on the storage card. As worwig said the speed of your device has only to do with the processor load, which can never be too much since the ram will never allow the titan to over bombard the processor. So, it really all boils down to open ram. The more you have generally the better proformance you are going to get. If it is really bad to the point where you open your phone and you have to wait more than half a second for the screen to flip I would recommend a hard reset or more effective install dcd's 3.2.6 or 3.3.4. Then install each program soft reset and find which program is causing the memory drain.
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I personally prefer to save larger or less frequently used apps and all backups on a storage card. Just in case I need to do a hard reset or something goes wrong. Also a good practice is to have partial backups so if you need to get raid of some apps you could restore only what you need.
Have Fun With Technology.
For some reason, I don't see too many complaints about low memory issues - yet I have always had problems with my RAM.
I have almost all of my programs installed on my SD card to try reduce any of my memory usage - but if I run PIE, MSN Messenger, or try to play music, I almost always have low memory messages come up.
I usually have one program running in the background - Slide to Unlock - but as far as I know its not that memory intensive?
Any insight on how I can fix this?
Thanks!
Are you running an elf or an elfin? If your not sure.....go to start-->settings-->system-->device information-->hardware. What does your RAM size read? If its 64MB its an elf.....if it says 128MB its an elfin. Your saying you've installed all your applications on the storage card. How much free space do you have for program memory on your phone? Your phones needs free memory in order to run applications too. Perhaps its running low on that end? Two things you should do:
1. Move any extra files, photos, videos or anything else that you might have saved on the phone memory to the storage card. Use activesync. Its faster that way.
2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.
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2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.
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I've been having "Insufficient memory" errors while trying to run SpB Backup, and have deleted all sorts of applications, but nothing seemed to free up enough memory. Then I tried your advice, and everything is working as it should!
Thanks!!
I have an elf - usually when I close all of my processes, except my stumble to unlock, I'll have approx. 15mb/47 free in my program memory. 10/28 of my storage space is free.
I've tried to clear all of my temp files... even made it so that all my temp files/PIE files are put on my storage card through SK tools, but still have the same issues.
As soon as I run my HTC music player with the one or two background apps, it almost always pops up with memory issues. Browsing with PIE is almost impossible for any period longer than 5 minutes.
I've tried it with several configurations and I always have the same results, even if I have no background processes - I still have the same issues.
Are you using a cooked ROM? Come to think of it, I never had many problems with the original shipped ROM. I was normally running S2U2, PocketMusic, Opera Mini and SpbMobileShell back then.
You mean to say you can't even run one application at a time without running out of RAM? Soft reset. And if you use SKTools like you say you do, try running Free Up RAM, select all options.
In your shoes I'd probably move everything I want to storage card, (you should want more than 10mb storage) try a hard reset and install my most used apps again. Oh, and what is your PagePool size? Try here to find out about that. It should be 4mb.
Your primary problem is indeed the fact that you are running out of space on your phone. 15mb for program memory especially on heavy usage is quite insufficient. Especially if your going to be multi tasking and running several applications at once. I would move ALL my installed programs and anything else I may be able to get my hands on, to the storage card. Try to squeeze out atleast 25-30mb out of your program memory. This should give your phone some more breathing space.
This might be to use of you to try it out.
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
hi
I had the same problem before but now my touch runs fine now & haven't got any issues till now. Use advanced task manager and pocket mechanic. These application will keep ur pocketpc in good shape.
Very good, Thanks.
would there be ever be a hack that can turn you memorycard into your mainmemory just likee the iphone haves built in memory.Because hate running out of memory on my windowsmobile phones and have the apps i use dont even really save to the memory card its always using the main memory
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how do you disable all the fullmemory notifications on windows devices
julian2596 said:
how do you disable all the fullmemory notifications on windows devices
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What apps are you talking about. most memory space goes to pics and music, which can be stored on the card. And you can install extract programs on your card instead of you internal memory.
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but that using up my memory i save everthing to my memory card but main memory still be draining it self dont know why
SD cards are only ever storage memory. The card behaves like a disk drive, that appears to be connected to the mount point '\Storage Card', or whatever your machine is configured to call it, there is a registry hack to change it if you want.
Storage space must be read into main memory, before the CPU can get at it. Access time is pretty quick, but nowhere near main memory speeds.
It's there for storing stuff as its name implies. Apps, data, movies, music, etc etc. It's not much use for anything else.
It sounds like you're confusing program and storage memory. If you're getting program memory errors, then you need to get a task manager and get better control of running applications/processes, or get a task manager that closes applications instead of minimizing them with the 'x' button.
If you are having storage memory issues, then you need to check for log files that might be hogging all the storage memory. Or get a utility like ClearTemp to empty out temporary folders. If you do a lot of streaming, sometimes you can get large stream dumps that aren't properly deleted and that hog a lot of memory.
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but that using up my memory i save everthing to my memory card but main memory still be draining it self dont know why
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You have probably some large log files, created by ActiveSync or some other program. Use SKTools or something similar to find it, clean Your main memory and disable the logging once You know where it comes from. That way it doesn't fill up Your main memory.
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It sounds like you're confusing program and storage memory. If you're getting program memory errors, then you need to get a task manager and get better control of running applications/processes, or get a task manager that closes applications instead of minimizing them with the 'x' button.
If you are having storage memory issues, then you need to check for log files that might be hogging all the storage memory. Or get a utility like ClearTemp to empty out temporary folders. If you do a lot of streaming, sometimes you can get large stream dumps that aren't properly deleted and that hog a lot of memory.
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Ted You beat me to it by a minute
thats everyone
thanks using sktools way better in so good. oh and there any developers out there
SD-Card Driver 4 Read Speed
Hello all,
While mentioning SK-Tools ;
Not so long ago I stumbled over this thread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2915068&postcount=1
So use SK-Tools its benchmarking capabilities to test your SD-Card before(!) and after the 'driver' (tnyynt SD TuneUP) mentioned above is installed!!!
It's kinda technical and a lot of 'know how' is discussed, but the main thing = tnyynt SD TuneUP, I assure you, will boost your SD-Card READiNG-PERFORMANCE!!!
Ofcourse, making a backup in advance could make a difference for everyone installing this,
Senax
P.S. I did not make a backup in advance!
How many sms & email do you have, both of these save to the main memory, a few hundred+ will soon fill it up. Internet Explorer cache is the other one to check. These are the 2 biggest memory users.
Can you cook? If so Extendir endir may help in achieving more free Main Memory space...
Hope this helps.
they should make you be able to use you memory card as your main memory or least fix instead of worrying about the windowsmobile7series that not coming out in the end of this year.