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universal dead?? HELP red light!!!!

Hello, earlier today i felt the device was very warm, i tried to switch it on but it dint respond, even to a reset. when i plugged it into the wall charger all i get is the right hand LED glowing red.
HELP!!!!!!!!!!! how do i hard reset it or get it to work again!!!!!!
i would call in orange care, but im out of the country and i really need the pda functionality!!!!

Unlucky. The 'red' light on most HTC devices indicates a serious power problem, usually it means that the battery is dead (as opposed to simply having run out of charge) or very close to death. You can probably get it working again with a new battery, if the incident hasn't damaged any other components.

i had this with my JJ after I accidently let the battery run down, I plugged it in and led went red and unit would not power on, left it plugged in started scanning the manual and web about a red led, 30 mins later, JJ just switched on and all fine.
It's worth a go and ive not had problem since

i dont think that was the case...
i have a feeling it might have been a short or something, because the unit was SERIOUSLY hot.....
nothing i did worked....until............
final time before giving up, the light was still red etc.
i figured what the heck, either way its dead and im going to get a replacement.
i then gave it fairly hard thump
the red light disappeared. i thought to myself, oh crap, i've really killed it.
then i reset it............. IT BOOTED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all my info still intact......brilliant.....im still going to try and get a replacement when i get back, but thank goodness.
and here i was thinking the last computer to respond to physical violence was the old 486'es hehehehehe

afhstingray said:
and here i was thinking the last computer to respond to physical violence was the old 486'es hehehehehe
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Actually, it's called percussive maintenance, "the fine art of whacking a machine till it works"

hehe, i'm an IT technician and it's the first thing i try, especially with Printers.....
They don't teach you that on MSCA courses.....

I would recommend not using the machine too much until you can get a replacement battery if I were you. Lithium batteries will get very very hot (in some cases expand and ignite) if they are dis-charged too far. Most equipment which uses lithium technologies will have a voltage cut-off on the power input. As each cell is a nominal 3.3V-3.6V, this is often at around 3V in order to not discharge the battery too far. I would have hoped that this was a HARDWARE function rather than software. However with what you have described, if the voltage cutout was somehow disabled, then this could explain the problems.
Of the units that I have seen in the past like this, the red LED would describe the battery voltage being too low to safely power the unit (i.e. battery be dead). Generally a couple of minutes charge will bring it up to a safe working value. However, after 30 minutes this certainly should have been enough. On one of my motorola units, the battery has expanded a couple of millimeters as it starts to dissociate. It may be worth you checking to see whether the battery in your universal has distorted in any way.

Hmm the red light comes on mine all the time.
It just means the battery is low and the unit is charging. .
It should turn green when the battery is at or near optimum charge.

no....thats not the red, charging is orangy when i say red i mean PROPER red. battery is not distorted, and to the best of my knowledge the unit had a good charge, im pretty sure it must have been some kind of hardware short, and am going to call orange as soon as im back in the country.
dosent explain though why when i whacked it it started working again. the whack instantly made the light go out :wink:
i did a battery rundown test as soon as i got the unit, and posted the results on the forum, if the cut off was not working, i would have ended up with a red light then.
i dont have the manual with me now, but is there any documentation on the red light?

Found this site which had an online manual:
http://www.rich-michael.com/pdf/User Manuals/050802_Universal_Generic_Manual_English_CDL.pdf
What does the phone say in the Power Tab?
A really useful extract:
13 Notification LED Bi-color LED on the right side: Green and Orange
for GSM/WCDMA standby, SMS message, GSM/
WCDMA network status, notification, battery charging
status.
Bi-color LED on the left side: Blue andGreen for
Bluetooth system notification of powered-up and
ready to transmit radio frequency signal, and Wi-Fi
status.
Couldn't find anything else on the LEDs

Found this site which had an online manual:
http://www.rich-michael.com/pdf/User Manuals/050802_Universal_Generic_Manual_English_CDL.pdf
What does the phone say in the Power Tab?
A really useful extract:
13 Notification LED Bi-color LED on the right side: Green and Orange
for GSM/WCDMA standby, SMS message, GSM/
WCDMA network status, notification, battery charging
status.
Bi-color LED on the left side: Blue andGreen for
Bluetooth system notification of powered-up and
ready to transmit radio frequency signal, and Wi-Fi
status.
Couldn't find anything else on the LEDs

Sorry to drag up this old post.
My friend dropped my phone (Orange SPV C500) a few days ago on to a tiled floor. The phone didn't appear to be broken or faulty at all at the time. I even managed to use TomTom navigator to go to the airport, but for some reason when I looked at it before I went to sleep, the phone was off. I assumed the battery had gone (even though it should have lasted at least another day). I tried to plug in the mains charger, but the LED showed a red light. I left it plugged in while I slept, but it was the same in the morning. The phone won't power on at all. I've read that this normally happens on a flat battery, but I am pretty sure it still had juice for another day.
I brought a new battery, but to no avail, the phone still shows the red light when plugged into the mains. No light at all when plugged via USB to my computer. The phone won't power on at all.
It must have broke something when it was dropped. But I'm confused as to why it took a few hours to take any effect.
I also notice that even without the battery in the phone, the LED will still light up as red when plugged in to the mains.
I've tried whacking the phone now, but nothing. Anyone have any idea whether it can be fixed?

JOEJOETHEJOEY said:
Sorry to drag up this old post.
My friend dropped my phone (Orange SPV C500) a few days ago on to a tiled floor. The phone didn't appear to be broken or faulty at all at the time. I even managed to use TomTom navigator to go to the airport, but for some reason when I looked at it before I went to sleep, the phone was off. I assumed the battery had gone (even though it should have lasted at least another day). I tried to plug in the mains charger, but the LED showed a red light. I left it plugged in while I slept, but it was the same in the morning. The phone won't power on at all. I've read that this normally happens on a flat battery, but I am pretty sure it still had juice for another day.
I brought a new battery, but to no avail, the phone still shows the red light when plugged into the mains. No light at all when plugged via USB to my computer. The phone won't power on at all.
It must have broke something when it was dropped. But I'm confused as to why it took a few hours to take any effect.
I also notice that even without the battery in the phone, the LED will still light up as red when plugged in to the mains.
I've tried whacking the phone now, but nothing. Anyone have any idea whether it can be fixed?
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this is damn scary! Every day more people add on to the "my univ's gone dead after a small drop" community :?
When my univ was brand new, a friend of mine dropped it from a coffee bar table 3 feet high, and i still heave a sigh! Cant believe nothing happened...!
But one thing i guess we all know, its a "drop" away to kiss our device good bye :roll:
hope you get it back up and running m8! look around the forums, there are lots of breakdown-solutions threads...
cheers,
San

nice work afhstingray
do you think it was a baterry problem.
i have often used my battery till tit just ran out, from what i read in the post it seems to be a bad practice. anyway to turn off the phone

i doubt it was a battery problem as i've been using it until now without problems. (i didnt get a replacement as soon as i got back cos im waiting for this unit to get a bit scruffy before i get it replaced)
i had this once on my c500 as well, but taking out the battery for an hour did the trick. so i dont think the problem is related.
i've dropped my universal quite a few times already and im happy to say other than a few annoying dings on the metal plate with the orange logo, its working fine. and 2 of the drops were pretty bad ones too, i thought for sure the screen would die or crack. guess i got lucky and it hit the floor at an angle not too critical

total stab in the dark but maybe a broken connection on charging circuit? that could be why phone was ok then battery died and its now unable to charge?

ViaraiX said:
total stab in the dark but maybe a broken connection on charging circuit? that could be why phone was ok then battery died and its now unable to charge?
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wouldnt it have worked if it was plugged into the AC then?

Well my Exec was dropped onto concrete at the petrol station whilst I was trying to sort out TomTom and fill up my Yamaha R6 bike at the same time :roll:
No problems, just a couple of case marks.
I guess multitasking should be left to the ladies and computers :lol:

steverae said:
hehe, i'm an IT technician and it's the first thing i try, especially with Printers.....
They don't teach you that on MSCA courses.....
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Also explains why Servers are built so solidly.
When you are trying to recover a server at 2am in the morning they need to stand up to all but a sledgehammer :twisted:

Phone won't start

Caveat - This is my son's phone, and only the recent observations are my own. I can't be sure he didn't do something to munge it up, though I am fairly certain he has not tried to flash it (I haven't either). In any case . . .
I bought an unlocked SMT5600 on eBay about 6 weeks ago. It worked great for about 3 weeks, then went on the fritz. It started by only booting to the red-green-blue OS screen. Removing the battery did nothing to reset it. It was still doing this when I retrieved it from my son. When I finally had time to look at it four days later, it booted once or twice to that screen, but then stopped doing even that. I have since done research online and not seen a similar situation. Other observations - there is no change if I swap out the battery for one that I know is charged. After replacing the battery, when I insert the charge cord (wall plug, not USB to PC) the power light flashes red briefly, then goes black and never comes on again.
Of course the eBay seller is telling me I'm SOL at this point. Before the problems began, I actually bought three more of these phones from the same seller and none has had any problems. My son is not into modding or installing programs, and tells me he has done neither. I think this is likely the case, but it is conceivable he or a friend might have tried something. So I am looking for assistance/direction in what to try next. Although I don't think I have the correct torx to disassemble it right now, I am willing to get the right tools and give that a go to avoid a $150 paperweight.
Thanks, mastman

booting to loader screen
I had this problem, turned out to be a faulty / stuck camera switch
check it clicks well, to check for stuck,
if it clicks well you will need to open the phone to check it with a meter.
not sure why its gone dead now, but sounds a little like a over flat battery.
Ive fixed these in the past by using a 300mah 3v suply for 20 secs at a time to bring it back up to a level the phone will charge.
please be very carefull li-ion cells are very dangerous, try useing a known good battery first in the phone to check its charging
good luck
j

My SMT5600 choked as it was being flashed, now it won't charge nothing, just a paperweight. Is there anyway to resurrect it? At all?
Thanks

Athena dead or dying........any miracle workers out there?

Background:
I have had MANY PPC's (so many I can't even count them) and I've loaded many different cooked ROMS and such on most of them so I'm not a complete noob on these things (don't claim to be an expert either).
However, my most recent acquisition is an HTC Advantage bought at CompUSA. I've read most of these came with a test ROM and mine was no different except for the fact that when I attempted to update the ROM to the "official" one provided to me by HTC it would not work. I always got the error "Connection lost" about half way through the process. I tried it numerous times and it never worked. On some occasions it would get stuck on the bootloader screen but I was able to get it back to working status (still on the test ROM).
I decided to try installing step 1 of Ollipro's SPL to see if that would help loading the HTC ROM. Turns out that wouldn't work either. It would get stuck at step 1 where it would ask if "PPC gone idle and didn't work or to wait 30 seconds". Tried it many times and would try to get it to keep going but the grey box on the bottom left would say the "parameters were incorrect" and would give me the option to quit, which I would. No problem, at least my 7501 was still working.
After that I tried the official HTC ROM again and I got the same "connection lost" error I had previously, except this time I didn't get anything on my PPC screen, just a black screen, not even the battery charging light behind the joystick lights up anymore. Soft reset...........nothing. Bootloader reset....................nothing. Hard reset.......................nothing. No lights, nada. The only flicker I get is if I try a reset wheen the power cord is connected. A red light flickers behind the joystick whenever I click the reset button. Any ideas or any help?

Sounds to me like the battery is just dead. I bought one at CompUSA (had the test ROM also) and I got the red ring around the joystick too when I tried to turn it on in the store. I left it plugged in awhile and it finally booted up okay. I then replaced the test ROM with the one and only available for the X7501 on HTC USA's web site. Good luck and I hope you get it working!

I think it could be battery related as well but it had a full charge when this happened. For some reason the unit has lost communication with the battery. I'm at a loss.

I got the same problem like you man !!! but i bad luck and so stupid man , i did with HTC X7501 then it dead after that i bought the X7500 then did it again , holy "... " it dead again....man ...So how your phone now bro ????

I left out the battery a half day and tried it again but still dead. Then I left it charging overnight and tried it again but still dead.
I can't believe this. I've never had a bricked device that can't be revived but after so many have seen this post and still no solutions I'm guessing it's no hope.

I met the same situation when I started to unlock Athena ( TMobile Ameo) within not fully charged battery ( less then 70%).
Solution ( try to make BL mode) with connected wallsocket charger ( not connected to PC USB slot) or find 100% charged battery. It helped me two times.
After many tries it changed to BL mode .
Now I didn't start unlock/change ROM without 100% charged battery.

I have the same BIG Problem, only red fliker when soft reset when AC conected. I wanted to update rom from russian to english and phone stoped working (black screen), and battery heats when inserted in phone . nothing to do? i read everything but i have not got any solution. I think it may be bios dead. helap us please

Lobstrick said:
I have the same BIG Problem, only red fliker when soft reset when AC conected. I wanted to update rom from russian to english and phone stoped working (black screen), and battery heats when inserted in phone . nothing to do? i read everything but i have not got any solution. I think it may be bios dead. helap us please
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"heating battery" (i.e. discharging when inserted, you mean?), no charge led = dead bootloader indeed.

I get the same problem. My device is work, but not charge. Also like yours i have red ring around the joystick when the battery is taked out. And if battery inside, when i make a softreset it blink one time, continued to load but not charge.
You`r speaking all wonderful. But have anybody found the solution?

Hearing these stories makes me nervous. I'm on the stock ROM (mine came from CompUSA with the latest ROM and I don't have an urge to try the cooked ROM yet). I've been using my Athena daily for 4 months, it charges correctly from several different chargers I have (car, computer USB, stock wall charger, aftermarket wall charger).
However, one day 2 weeks ago I went to make a call in the middle of the day and my Athena was dead. D-e-a-d. Usually I can make it back home at night and still have 90-100% on the battery meter, so with no use in the middle of the day and a dead battery, this was weird. It wouldn't turn on, no soft boot, took the battery out and put it back in, and always got nothing.
I bring this up here because when I plugged it in, I encountered similar problems that others here are describing. It wouldn't turn on, and it didn't give me the orange charging light behind the joystick. I ended up leaving it plugged in for a while and finally I got a red ring, not the usual orange. I've only seen red when the battery was almost dead and the unit was on. Then after some more time the ring turned orange and at this point it would turn on again. I still have no idea why my battery died so fast and hard.
So, is there a problem with the battery charging system that is starting to crop up in units that have been used a while???

miha_conan said:
I get the same problem. My device is work, but not charge. Also like yours i have red ring around the joystick when the battery is taked out. And if battery inside, when i make a softreset it blink one time, continued to load but not charge.
You`r speaking all wonderful. But have anybody found the solution?
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Hi i am no expert but i had simaler problem no display or no lights round ring no responce to any commands (ie hard reset and bootloader ) only red light flickred on reset button all i did was removed battery while pressing reset button and placed new battery and left it on wall charger for couple of hours and before doing hard reset i pressed reset button 2 to 3 times and green light round the battery came up so i tryed bootloader and it worked and insted of flashing it with pc i just loaded the img in sd card and flashed it while whole thing was on charge (i had tmob test rom before ) which i think is best way to do no hassle of losing connection or failing in half way and it works like a charm
hope this helps
and ya if you have a spare battery it dose help

New battery?
I'm a wizard user (and lots of former PDAs) looking to buy and Athena, maybe.
Has anyone tried a new, right out of the envelope, battery? these issues sound like worn out Li-Ion batteries to me. I've had them completely conk (won't take a charge at all) if I let them go completely down, and I've had them wear out and stop taking a full charge (down to maxing out at about %20, but sometimes showing %100 depending on ROM status) when I kept charging them while they're already charged.
Li-Ion batts don't sit for long periods too well, either, so if they're sitting on the shelf at the store/warehouse, they may be suffering even more than one that has been used since earlier in its childhood.
Perhaps the answer is a switched charger that stops charging when the battery (not the ROM/unit reading) gets to %100. ???
I didn't see anything like this posted. I'm terribly curious to see if anyone can resolve it.

nother AMEO dead
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1859021#post1859021

Red ring comes for a sec only try to RESET the device with Charger connected
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same here,
i am afraid i got a dead athena too, did you guys found any solution?? i tried switching batteries. this is my first experience with a windows mobile device not powering on, in inrepairable condition.
found another member with similar problems- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1639311&postcount=24

No genius,s on here,just insults
i have read every page on the advantage x7500,being such an old phone you would thin the genius,s on here could sort it out in seconds,but all they do is insult you.i tried to update from windows 6 on radio 1.20 to michys radio 6.5
it got to 94 percent then crashed, now when i boot up i just get a black and white screen,which then turns white,if it try to reinstall advantage 6.0 the phone reets after 2 or 3 percent..will anyboby help by giving simple term advice to unbrick it? NO.will they provide links to there advice no.THEY JUST INSULT YOU AND SAY ITS IN ONE OF THE THREADS.well im a computer tech and if anybody wants there pc or laptop fixing.guess what i will return the favour with computer speak,THAT YOU CANT UNDERSTAND

Hermes battery drains, Hermes won't charge, get brand new battery, still the same :O

Hello,
I'm sure my Hermes is not dead, I'm just having ridicious battery problems.
My battery completely drained out, I saw the screen fade out and kind of "die" as it happened. I then couldn't even charge the Hermes up, so it seems the battery just ran out of juice period. I googled around and it seemed the only way to revive the battery again is doing some complicated wiry thing with alkaline batteries.
But instead of that I just bought a new replacement battery. But it still won't charge! Does this mean my Hermes actually did die? The battery WAS extremely low so I'm certain that it was the battery. The phone can't just die like that.
Thank you so much for your help. N.B. the phone LED won't even give a red light when plugged in without battery in. I hope that's not a bad sign...

Hey there just a guess but I had a simular problem in the past and it seemed to be due to a defective camera part draining power. Only way I was able to fix it was to remove the camera part and then put it back together.

If the red LED doesn't come on when you connect to the power without the battery then your Hermes is dead, good only for parts.... If the LED does light up, connect the battery and see if it turns amber(orangey) that means its charging.
It could be the internal fuse blew. Might be replaceable but could be costly....

Yes, after reading that other people could usually still see a red LED without the battery, I gave up.
Sigh...well at least I got to see my Hermes die...the screen gradually fading away in front of me....sniff.... I will miss it dearly.
- - -
But life moves on and hey hey hey I'm the proud owner of a new Blackstone! I just wasn't ready to upgrade yet...I wanted to wait until a capacitive screened successor to the Touch HD came out...sigh
But I suppose deaths of family and friends don't happen when you're ready for them
Goodbye my Hermes

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Hey there just a guess but I had a simular problem in the past and it seemed to be due to a defective camera part draining power. Only way I was able to fix it was to remove the camera part and then put it back together.
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Dear eyupwolf, I have similar problems.
Camera just works some times, but after that it can not be initialised again and drains my battery out. So I don't use it anyway (since 99% times tried it didn't work). If I do, I have to reset Hermes many times to set things up.
Can you describe the procedure how you fixed (removed) that problem?
Thank you,
F

battery wont charge
I got the same problems with the Hermes 200. I tired the 3 AAA battries in serial connection but it didn't help.
I even tried to cool the battery for 30 mins in the freezer (an old trick to squeeze the last little bit from the battery) the phone turned on for about 10 seconds but the os never loaded up. the phone shows red when connected to usb without a battery but led turns off when battery is insterted.
I ordered a battery on ebay, but until it arrives does anyone have any other suggestions?
thanks
Scuter
PS. It had Olipro 2.10 spl and recently installed the amazing golden globe v9 rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458456
which is amazing.

Note 3 not turning on. Sudden death? Hardware problem?

Let me start from the begining.
So the other day I plugged my phone into USB in order to charge it (I had to keep it close to me hence why I didn't plug it into the wall charger). The phone was charging, showing up as a media device on the lappy, etc. I was doing stuff on the computer then I heard it vibrate so I went to see what it was. The blue notification light was on (facebook notification most likely) and when I pressed the Menu button the screen didn't come on. I also tried the Power button but same thing. So I decided to restart the phone. Since then, it hasn't turned back on.
I tested the battery in another device and it's working perfectly fine. Neither recovery nor download mode work. I tried to do some of the tests people recommended for sudden death, like plugging it into usb and leaving it for a while, trying to kick start it (putting battery in while holding the recovery buttons) - you name it, i've done it. I even went to the lengths of taking off the back cover to see if theres any crap that got in there, maybe a loose connector, anything burnt - nothing. Unfortunately, I don't have a multimeter to see if there is a charge running through the board. Looks like sudden death to me, the only thing is - I rooted the phone on the 1st day I got it and I don't live in the country where I bought the phone so sending it over for warranty repairs would be a pain in the ass. What can I do? I would greatly appreciate your help, if you manage to help me fix my baby, I will ENSURE to send you a donation for a nice, big, cold beer (or maybe a few).
Looking forward to any answers! I really need my phone, I use it for work.

It seems like a hardware issue... you need to take it to a local store to scan it's hardware.... maybe something gone wrong while charging which made something be destroyed inside it..... hope its not the motherboard.....

it happens sometimes, when charging current fluctuate, it destroys the charging circuit and in result it damage the whole current circuit, local repair shop can solve the issue.