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Magician VS. Charmer - Processor

Hi Folks,
I need a new smartphone and I love the HTC devices.
I've been reading a lot of data charts lately and I'm really confused.
WHY IN THE WORLD did they cut magicians processor power in halfs when they built his successor charmer??
Magician has an Intel XScale Prozessor Bulverde with 416 MHz. That's about the power I'm looking for. But they downgraded Charmer to a Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Prozessor with ridiculously 206 MHz.
My old beloved Wallaby has almost more power!
Can anybody explain this decision?
I didn't find any benchmark tests of charmer on the internet. Magician's benchmarks are awesome for his size and high enough to play pocket quake or watch unconverted videos, but it seems nowbody is testing Charmer.
Any people here with a Charmer who want to run SPB benchmark (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/?en) for me and post the results? or just tell me how many fps unvonverted .avi movies give you.
THX!

Hey. The charmer has about 1000 SPB benchmark points, the Magician around 1600. That's a fact, also for the Wizard and the Prophet. A good alternative could be the Hermes which comes out soon and has the Samsung 400 MHz CPU.

There are Magician benchmark, which is approx 1,200 (I've got that from http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54370&highlight=). ). As for the Charmer, it is way way way lower than that. See the chart
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=313810#313810
The only thing Charmer is good at seems to be the graphics. But there is a benchmark on charmer regarding video playback, which is still not as good as the Magician, which I suspect because of the low bandwidth of the Charmer's file I/O.
Take a look here as well
http://www.modaco.com/Benchmark_results_of_MDA_Compact_II-t234674.html

Any idea why they sacrificed so much power?
the data charts don't really say something about great improvement in batery life due to the slower CPU, which appears to be the only logical reason to downgrade a CPU in a PDA.
why did they do that? the charmer seemed so promising perfect with WM 5, long batery life and small size....
is WM 5.0 less power hungery?

Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout of WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and HTCs stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
The charmer is a rediculous device as the successor of the Magician.

Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout for WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and a stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.

Another probable reason for the lack in speed in Charmer probably due to the persistant flash memory (doesn't need battery to keep the data) which is usually slower than the non-persistant ones. Think of it as having SD as storage for the Charmer. Someone ought to do a test on Wizard and compare Charmer against Wizard.

I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)

geoffrey23 said:
I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)
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exactly
the charmer and the prophet are designed as fones with ppc capabilities.
ppc battery life is a day or less, the charmer et al several days.
all depends on what you want the device for really, sometimes the lack of speed frustrates me, but the ability to go days between charges doesnt

Any one knwos the battery life of the Magician? My Charmer last only like 3-4 days with average 1/2 hours of talk and some basic usage, 24 hours phone on - standby

MY MAGICIAN (o2 XDAII mini) can only last for maximum 2 days...
And it 's very unstable when battery is getting low ...
Thoughts: Slower CPU and higher capacity battery seems to be the only solution to extend the battery life.... I rather charge every day and have a faster device

Dandie said:
If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
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thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).

moeph said:
thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).
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You can get it for example here

Lets wait for the HTC Trinity
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/01/htc-trinity-revealed/

Always waiting - I'm sick of it 8)
The Hermes has everything besides GPS that the Trinity will have. It doesn't feature normal SD cards as well, that may have been a reason for me to wait. Integrated GPS is useless in my opinion. The integrated reveivers have bad connection quality and all maps that you can get for navigation software are only working well for car navigation - my car has enough space for a Bluetooth GPS mouse. No need to wait if you ask me.

OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
The HTC Prophet I will skip, it is the same form factor as Magician, but has a slow CPU and no UMTS/HSDPA.
And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.

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OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
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Mh, ok. I will see how much the difference is in my pocket. I think it weighs 30 grams more than the Magician and is about 5 mm thicker. I think I can live with that, especially because I'd like to have a keyboard and I don't want to wait anymore
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And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.
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Ok, you're right, assuming your provider supports A-GPS (additional costs?). But still there is the point with the standard navigation software which just isn't suited for navigation by foot or by bike. For the car, I can use a GPS mouse without any disadvantage (I already have one anyway). Personally, I don't see a good reason to wait for the Trinity.

omap 850 isn't slow!!! intel xscale is only 416 Mhz arm9 core while omap is an 195 mhz arm9 combined vith 67,5Mhz arm7 mcu(mcu speeds up the main core cause it controles ram instead of main core) so 195 mhz omap is aprox. or more 312 mhz of xscale, it also has 100 MHZ integer and floating point core and 2d accelator.....

So you say charmer is actually faster than magician? I'm having a dilema between these two, don't know which to buy? But would prefer faster...

of course no.

Speed / Performance Comparison w/ Magician

I'm looking to replace my Magician with the Trinity. I've had some good times with my Magician and have been extremely happy with it. The Trinity has everything I want in an upgrade, but I'm worried about its processor compared to the Intel XScale 416MHz. How does the Samsung 400MHz compare? Has anyone owned the Magician as well that can compare the two? I want something at least as fast as the Magician for use in windows apps, and gaming performance in particular. If anyone has been able to play with both devices I would really appreciate your thoughts about the speed compared between the two.
Thanks

I'm also interested, having a Magician. I'm looking for a good reason (or rather excuse) to upgrade!

I don't have a Magician, but if you find a benchmark you'd like me to run on my Trinity, I'd be more than happy to help you compare them.

please use sk tools. Benchmarking is possible with trial version.
http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?m_downloads.html#tools
Thank you,

I upgraded from a Magician to the black beauty Trinity...
And haven't regretted it for a minute. The only downside for me was that i had to get used to a dutch OS instead of english, because in the Netherlands a WWE version is sadly not available.
As far as performance goes, i can tell you that literally everything on the Trinity runs smooth, fast en stable. Of course there are some fine-tuning bugs to be ironed out, but hey: was the Magician that good on it's first ROM ?
The only things that have annoyed me so far, are the horribly slow response to scrolling using the wheel (and the Dpad aswell in fact), and the fact that we have to deal with the MS BT stack which will always have it's bugs and annoyances.
The processor can do a lot at the same time without slowing the device down (only exception being A2DP), and i was pretty suprised how much i could install into main memory on this device. It has around 60 Megs free storage at first use, and that's almost double the size of the 'storage'partition on the initial Magician (half of the 64 Megs RAM).
Batterytime is also significantly better than that of a Magician (even so with having a UMTS radio on all the time), and the screen is just awesome
WiFi has great reception, and the device is much nicer to handle than a Magician due to it's more rounded curves and bigger/more buttons and WM5 being much more focused to one-handed operation (which works very nice).
Absolutely great device i must say, so i'll recommend: take the plunge !
I just hope that a well-tuned ROM that fixes the little annoyances will be released soon, so this baby can take me through at least the next 3 years. If that ROM contains GPS as well, it'll make the P3600 the ultimate killer device (but i can live without, as using a BT GPS mouse works just as well for me).

Benchmarking
Thanks for your info, Moaske.
Another excellent benchmarking tool is SPB Benchmark. You can download this software for free at: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/downloads/benchmark/SpbBenchmark1.6_setup.zip
mikesol, If you could also please post your benchmark results with this software we would greatly appreciate it!

Moaske said:
As far as performance goes, i can tell you that literally everything on the Trinity runs smooth, fast en stable. Of course there are some fine-tuning bugs to be ironed out, but hey: was the Magician that good on it's first ROM ?
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Thanks Moaske. Yes, I agree that no PDA is perfect from the first ROM. What I am concerned about is about HTC releasing ROMs, or rather their lack of doing so. I purchased my Jam from one of the first batches to arrive in the UK, and Imate released regular ROM updates for the first few months. AFAIK, HTC have not yet released a ROM update for any of their devices. I am also not so sure of HTC's level and commitment of support. The one time I had to send the Jam in for repairs, I was very pleased with the way Imate handled the matter. Still to be seen if HTC can do the same.
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Well, I use both (JAM and P3600)
Did the benchmark per your request (attached), with SK Tools
Enjoy

Obviosly the Jam is way faster than the trinity i some areas
RAM access Speed index; Jam 6806, Trinity 1644
Main storage (read)KB/sec; Jam 7236, Trinity 3032
Storage Card (write); Jam 671, Trinity 154
In two areas the Trinity is faster:
Main storage (write)KB/sec; Jam 269, Trinity 493
Draw bitmaps Speed index; Jam 424, Trinity 542
The big question is of course: what does these differences mean in real life use?

@tomerbn thank you for your help.
in my oppinion there will be no remarkable difference in daily use. maybe programs will be opened a little bit slower but without a stopwatch you don´t realize it.
a fine toy and for sure my new phone
fore comparision data from artemis with omap 200 cpu:
Integer;102.3848;Moves/25 usec
Floating point;2.524;MWIPS
RAM access;231;Speed index
Draw bitmaps;377;Speed index
Main storage (write); 638.60;KB/sec
Main storage (read);2094.78;KB/sec

Well it's fast until you try to playback videos with TCPMP.
The OMAP 850 beats the Samsung 400 Mhz.
This cpu is no good for video and relies on IMAGEON coprocessor for hardware acceleration. And as long as it's not working...
http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3688.0

did you activate GDI ?

what do you mean by "activate GDI"?

Hi,
I traded my Magician to a white Trinity last week. Trinity is cool!
I have no clue on the comparison figures; but from my own usage, I think that:
1. Trinity runs WM5 smoothly, better than O2 Atom
2. screen display is cool, but nearly blackout under sunlight
3. BT 2.0 (and A2DP) is good; now I can listen to my fav songs via BT
I am very happy with Trinity!

meroupow said:
what do you mean by "activate GDI"?
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i read in a german forum, if you activate GDI in video settings, then playback should run smoothly. i do not use tcmp so i cannot give further hints.

meroupow said:
Well it's fast until you try to playback videos with TCPMP.
The OMAP 850 beats the Samsung 400 Mhz.
This cpu is no good for video and relies on IMAGEON coprocessor for hardware acceleration. And as long as it's not working...
http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3688.0
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Set it to 'RAW-framebuffer' and it will run smooth as butter
The main problem with the ATI-imageon, is that it isn't being used at firmware level (yet)... If it had, this would be one great device

tom0_1 said:
...in my oppinion there will be no remarkable difference in daily use. maybe programs will be opened a little bit slower but without a stopwatch you don´t realize it...
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I agree absolutely with that
But the slow response is not all that consistent anyway, most of the time it's response is very snappy....maybe i wan't clear about that. It's only the scrolling that responds terribly slow... and A2DP is a damn heavy task on the processor, so the little slowdown in response is less worse than i had expected...
All in all a great device; way cool upgrade, way better...

Moaske said:
Set it to 'RAW-framebuffer' and it will run smooth as butter
The main problem with the ATI-imageon, is that it isn't being used at firmware level (yet)... If it had, this would be one great device
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I do not agree:
- first for best quality directdraw is better than rawframebuffer and is equivalent in terms of performance.
- second "smoth as better" except for h264, xvid, wmv... and anything that is more than 320*240. so in fact it's smooth only with divx 5, 320*240 reencoded movies.
oh let me think... it's compete crap in fact since my HP4350 bought 3 or 4 years ago is able to play whatever full divx movie without reencoding and only have 400Mhz Xscale cpu.

So i understand that re-encoding is to much a hassle for you...? And you expect full-size DVD movies to run on such an underpowered device ? Honestly; could the Magician cope with VGA or higher movies at high framerates...? Mine didn't...

Movie playback
It sounds like the general vibe here is that the Trinity pretty much sucks for playing movies compared to the XScale 416MHz. I can't figure out why HTC is going with the Samsung CPU instead of Intel for their new devices! Cheaper maybe? This device could have been so sweet if it had the right processor in it.

N95 Faster than my BA !?

Ok now the funny thing is that i've recorded an MP4 video with a Nokia N95 mobile. When i tried to play it , TCPMP reports an Average speed of 64.85% and it cannot play it correctly. However, on the N95, the Realone Player is able to play it at even 150% speed ( fast forward ) and my PDA is not even able to get the 70%. It's a 2.7mbps video with 640x480 resolution @29.987fps. But how come the N95 with an OMAP2420 processor @330MHZ can outperform a PXA263 overclocked !?

your comparision is irrelevant, because you compare phone made back in 2004 and phone made in 2007. A lot in hardware has changed since 2004.
you can try to compare N95 with TyTN II (HTC Kaiser), and you will see that the Nokia is piece of crap

im comparing a PDA with a cellular phone...

Xeon said:
im comparing a PDA with a cellular phone...
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maybe the cellphone has faster memory.... cpu isn't everything, if you memory (buffer) is the bottleneck...

Datake said:
maybe the cellphone has faster memory.... cpu isn't everything, if you memory (buffer) is the bottleneck...
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and differents istruction set!
Possibly N95 has hw decoding chip for video for better performace.
and differents OS!
N95 has symbian, BA has WM
comparision is realy irrelevant, they have too much differents

yeah well as a conclusion the cellular phone is capable of what my device isnt

Xeon said:
yeah well as a conclusion the cellular phone is capable of what my device isnt
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yes, becouse it's newer and different respect BA.

N95 vs HTC P3300 ... http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n95_artemis.php

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N95 vs HTC P3300 ... http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_n95_artemis.php
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Infact, read this in article:
The processor of the N95 is the ARM11-based OMAP2420 running at 330 MHz, featuring integrated DSP and 3D graphics/video acceleration.
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Okay looked at the Specs on the N95, 5Mp Camera, Built in GPS ... etc etc. This comparison in phones is a useless. The N95 is built up to play media content, its part of its primary selling point (see ramdacBlueAngel's quote). Not a strictly "Cell Phone", just as the BA isn't a strictly "Classic PDA". Both are phones and thats where the comparison ends. Should note, this phone goes for $690 as compared to the BA which goes for about $150. The phone should be compared to phones of the present market.
One things for sure though, I would bet good money the N95 is NOWHERE near as robust as the BA. I bought this phone for instance because it was affordable and upgradable to the newer OS's. The a huge shock comes when I find some angel has made it possible to make this robust phone/ pda WM6 capable. Now thats cool.

Why niki is slow?

Why niki is slow?? This is my question... I have an older qtek 2020 and it's very faster than niki... why??

video drivers... install a rom with the s600 driver already on it, trust me, its wayyyy faster.
I recomend Mary v.02.

Yes I installed but it's not faster than a lot of other device uff.. It is very slow.,..

I can only compare it to my S110, its a little faster in certain things, but slower in games and emulation, not that much slower... just enought to be noticed.

yesterday I saw an iphone and it's very faster,..

Billokko said:
yesterday I saw an iphone and it's very faster,..
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Diferent hardware and OS, you really cant compare...

Iphone's cpu is almost twice as fast as the dual's one
And it has proper hardware accaleration;p

ok but in comparison to others devices niki is very slow...

In that we agree... My S100 from 2003 is much faster than this, but because it was that old it had a lot of other problems, the battery was starting to fail, a side button was broken and couldnt be easily fixed, some newer programs werent wm2003 compatible, etc...
Its sad that most new phones are so below the old ones, and the few that are better are unreasonably expensive.
I can still buy a brand new S110 for about 100/150€ with 416mhz, 128 of ram and 128 of rom, and thanks to wm2003 i can have a wooping free ram of 90mb (depending if its the s100 or s110) and the video card works fine, so everything is smooth.
The design, sound and camera of the dual are obviously superior, plus it can have 3g internet, but it costs 4 times more than the S110.
Just sad...

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Iphone's cpu is almost twice as fast as the dual's one
And it has proper hardware accaleration;p
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Almost twice as fast, you mean 600mHz versus 400mHz ....
The Niki has proper hardware acceleration, its just the muppets at HTC that haven't bothered to use it in any way, shape or form.

Tought iphone was about 750 mhz
Anyways, a Niki doesnt have drivers wich we all know, but compare ANY wm5 or wm6 mobile to a wm2003 or even older(!) device, and the older one outperforms the newer one. WM2003 devices use sdram, and newer ones mostly flash memory, wich is way slower (because a wm2003 device couldnt be turned of because of the ram memory that loses it's storage). So every program that writes or reads often from the memory is considerable slower on wm6 than on wm2003. But if you compare a wizard to a nike, the nike's way faster because of it's cpu.

thinking to upgrade to samsung omnia 2

is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]

hoss_n2 said:
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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I would better think about waiting for the Toshiba TG01! It has a 1GHz Snapdragon Processor and a 4.1inch screen!!!
You can see some preview videos on yout...! The video playback is extremely smooth and programs are starting right after clicking on it.
The TG01 also has a special screen from the television branch for a really good quality!
I´ll sell my Touch Hd next week on ebay and on 29.June or 30.June I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 exclusive at the German O2 shop.
Ok the homescreen panel is not so beautiful but I am using the SPB Mobile Shell 3 so thats no problem for me

does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.

The processor will make a difference, but the main reason for me to buy the Omnia 2 is the camera.
You won't have Touchflo anymore (at least for some time) but the Samsung software seems to be pretty good, perhaps even better than Touchflo (though I'm not a fan of cube interfaces).
I think the Omnia 2 will be the perfect phone for me with the better camera, a bit more speed and good battery life.

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does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
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I had already a pre-selling version of the white tg01 in my hands (damn is this a big device compared to my HD and iphone but has as half as the thickness of the HD!!!) but of course I wasn´t able to test the battery life. But I think it´ll be good because you can choose in the options menu of toshiba that the phone should itself automaticaly slow down the procesor if there is not much speed needed and the new screen should also use less battery life (so the man at the o2 store told me that with the screen so I don´t know if it´s real^^)
Does anyone knows any better facts about it?

very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..

I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.

forumx said:
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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i think that the type of the processor also is important not only its speed [like computer processors we have two processors have same speed but one acts faster than the other it depends how it is made and the compatibility of the programs with it

KayK said:
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
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Rom and Ram size is nearly the same! 512MB Rom and 256MB RAM. (I´m talking about the Toshiba TG01
So I´ll wait till it comes out on the 29th this month in germany and then I´ll buy it...

Hey I found someting really interesting: The Acer M900!
What do you think about this device???

PocketNow said the acer felt cheap, and i think it has less memory than the HD, which is a bummer. The only upside about it are US 3g bands.

acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2

hoss_n2 said:
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.

Ok I´ll forget the acer...80MB Ram
So I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 when it´s available in Germany at the 29.06. and than I will see how good it is. If it´s not good enough I can also sell it somewhere and buy me the touch pro 2 instead of it

I used to have the omnia and would never buy a samsung again. Apart from the excellent camera I hated it particulary because of the poor battery life...I had to charge it everyday. Plus the touchscreen wasn't that responsive and I kept losing the stylus because there was no storage on the phone. Im happy with the HD at present albeit it's not perfect.

I just bought and sold a Samsung i8910 (Omnia HD). Symbian just doesnt cut it as a touchscreen OS for me.
However, the AMOLED screen was gorgeous, even though it was lower res than the HD, it still looked that little bit crisper and more vibrant. Definitely a feature worth looking into for our next devices. Omnia 2 looks the part, but Samsung have notoriously poor resale value compared to HTC/Nokia etc as well as not having ROM cooks like on xda (unless im mistaken..).

The i8910HD would have been the perfect phone with WM (or Android) instead of Symbian....
It's a shame that they put such a bad OS on the only phone with perfect hardware... I hate Samsung for this (but I'll probably buy the Omnia II anyway...).
The i900 Omnia is/was probably one ofthe best-selling WM device ever and there is some ROM-cooking going on, e.g. over at modaco.com.
I think with the Omnia II and Omnia HD, the Samsung community will grow a lot.

What is AMOLED and is it possible to run word excel etc files on symbian?

maati said:
Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
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it would be better in some things but not in all hd is bigger in screen touch flo is bitter and easier hd has extra rams to be used for graphics acceleration and enhance speed as said by gsm arena

Well, 0.1" doesn't matter, and it still has the same resolution. It has a faster processor, thus the RAM also won't matter, graphics acceleration will probably be faster.
TouchFlo is nice, but I think the Samsung interface is at least as good, it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo (but doesn't look as nice).
I'm still undecided, maybe I'll stick with the HD and wait for something that's even better than the Omnia II.