Hi guys,
I want to use my HTC Wizard to call out on the "normal" or DSL phone line when I am at home. This beacause all phone calls to all national non mobile numbers are free.
My PC is connected to the DSL Modem (ZYXEL P-2602HW-D1A) and with a modem connected to the phone out put of the modem and to the normal analog line.
Is there any one who has experience with this?
MartindH said:
Hi guys,
I want to use my HTC Wizard to call out on the "normal" or DSL phone line when I am at home. This beacause all phone calls to all national non mobile numbers are free.
My PC is connected to the DSL Modem (ZYXEL P-2602HW-D1A) and with a modem connected to the phone out put of the modem and to the normal analog line.
Is there any one who has experience with this?
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The answer is likely to not be as easy as you expect, although it may not be that hard.
Your modem may or may not work, when you do voice over a modem the modem needs to know this and not demand a carrier tone and other things that signal a data connection. Some modems are known to work in this capacity others are known to work very poorly (lots of echo) and others are known to not work at all. The majority of modems are not known whether or not they will work at all.
In short the easiest way to accomplish this task is to send data from your phone VoIP to your PC. There are free clients out there such as sjphone from sjlabs.com. You will likely want a headset on your phone as most dont use the same speaker as a regular phone call but instead the speakerphone and echo cancelation doesnt work well (the remote side will hear echo without headphones).
Now that your phone is taken care of you need something on the other side. Here you have choices. If you have a compatible modem you can use that as an FXO card with software like asterisk.org and soon freeswitch.org. If you do not have a compatible card, or do not wish to run VoIP software on your PC you can get an ATA that has an FXO port and lets you route calls to/from it. Grandstream.com has some, the HT486 comes to mind. I believe the linksys pap2 will also do this. Ebay may be your friend in locating a fairly cheap one, although they arent that expensive - and you are doing this to save money so depending on the number of calls you make it may pay for itself soon
Once you have this set up, you can actually choose to call people via your mobile plan or landline or even an internet based telephone company. Depending on how well you configure everything, you could in theory have it use all of those things, and you can even route calls from those services to your phone (ie get phone numers all over the world and answer them on your mda when you have internet).
All your mda needs is wifi/usb/gprs. And for those providers that block VoIP on gprs shame on you (and they generally dont block vpn traffic or even know what the contents of that are
Port restricted Cone NAT
Thanks for your support.
The WIFI way with a direct connetion to my Modem will do for now, but I have got the following problem there.
The error that is displayed is the following:
NAT/Firewall: Port Restricted Cone NAT
The settings which I have entered are the same as in my Modem:
Zyxel: P-2602HW-D1A
Provider Tiscali
Anybody who knows how to solve this or who has experience with VOIP provided by Tiscali or other ISP using your HTC Wizard
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what do YOU think about this...?
whenever I am travelling, gprs cost in Europe is a big issue, so for my applications (manymanymany mails) gprs does not work economically.
so i had the following idea:
from abroad I send a mail via sms to my (home-)office computer.
this triggers my homoffice modem calling me under my numer in my hotel. (number could be included in the sms)
my XDA II is connected to a bluetooth modem which is in auto-answer mode... picks up... beeeeeeeeep connects an IP transparent protocol and...
bingo...
as my [email protected] acts like a gateway through broadband, my XDA II sees the world with web connection (pop3, smtp, nntp - younameit)
benefit:
my PC modem can call almost every hotel phone for a couple of cents per minute - worldwide.
compare this with a couple of bucks per MB GPRS in Europe!
who knows the software componets needed?
Regards
v
sounds great, tell me where to download it once youve written it! :lol:
I am willing to pay for the solutionas well, anybody else?
v
the idea is ok but it prolly wont work in reality since GPRS out of your coutry is only expensive with prepaid.
and prepaid has the disadvantage when im out of my country i gotta pay it from the border so for example :
dude 1 lives in the netherlands and calls dude 2.
dude 2 is on vacation in somewhere in europe.
dude 1 only pays upto the border the rest of way costs dude 2 his prepaid cash.
SmokeMasta said:
the idea is ok but it prolly wont work in reality since GPRS out of your coutry is only expensive with prepaid.
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Nope, GPRS roaming is expensive no matter what. You would not believe the rates these thieves charge.
The idea of calling to the hotel is great, and the bluetooth modem is a nice touch. I would add a foldable keyboard to almost get the full benefits of a well-connected notebook PC.
As far as the software components: receiving the SMS on your home computer takes a GSM phone connected to the computer, some means of receiving SMS on a regular line (offered in some countries, e.g. Germany), or some service that receives the SMS for you and turns it into an E-mail. Your own provider probably offers this already.
Then when you receive the message, you'd need to dial out. Under Linux/FreeBSD/*nix you would then have procmail (if the SMS comes in as a mail) kick off a PPP dial-out script that takes the phone number as an argument.
There's probably an easy windows scripting way of doing this. The Outlook 'Rules wizard' has an option called 'run a script' which looks like a good starting point if you can turn the SMS into an E-mail. Any Windows scripting gods to take it from here?
I think v doesn't mean to call his mobile, but a normal number in a hotel where an analog modem is hooked up to the XDA through bluetooth.
You could use the call back function of a RAS server achieve this.
You call from the hotel to your home server, enter the number where the RAS server has to call back to and you're up and running.
But the speed would be pretty low, even with a V90 modem.
Since I don't have a BT modem, I can' test it...
This is an interesting subject to me as the company I work for is acutally in the business of providing a service just as being discussed.
I'm not going to turn this into an advert, but let me give you a quick overview of our service. We run a fully mananged network which connects to a customers office network and to the 4 major MNO's in the UK (plus a few outside the UK, and were expanding). We have at least two private AP's on each MNO plus terminals can connect via a VPN over the internet. We support a number of terminals (mainly from HTC from the Wallaby to the Prophet, but also some from Panasonic, Symbol and Intermec) that connect VIA GPRS but also through GSM DUN as a fallback.
I've worked on the terminal side for about 7 years, I've been involved in development of most areas of the code at one time or another, but for a long time I was responsible for the module that is responsible for connecting to and maintaining the connection to either the MNO network (our AP's or the Public AP) or our own network (via GSM).
The one thing I've learned while doing this is that you can't rely on the MNO for anything. We've had MNO's disconnect us from AP's without warning, we've had IP connections stop passing data again without warning, we've had AP's reject a connection when out auth server told the AP to accept it.
This being true, if your claiming your software is reliable and expecting someone to bet their business on using it, you'd better make sure that it can handle all these issue. Theres nothing worse than trying to explain to a customer why his message didn't go through when both the back-end office and mobile device claim their connected.
And one last thing, and its a big one, Cost. Its easy to make a system that costs so much to run that its economically unviable. Remember every GPRS byte or GSM second costs money, so polling for messages every few seconds may not be a great idea.
Hurm....
This was supposed to be a reply to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43426
I have no idea how it got into its own thread...
Appologies.
That is exactly my point of veiw. Why have to be constantly connected? Its a dirty solution. The only ones who benifit from a middle man are the service providers. Thats why I have put all my effort into using what is reliable. A normal phone call.
I have spent the last 9 months creating something that can reliably transfer data over calls. When I say reliable I mean when data is sent the user will get a confirmation for each packet sent an can be 100% certain it arrived intact when with the confirmation.
Depending on the phone plan it can be cheaper than other means of communication like gprs and mms on phones. When there is no flag fall I can transfer the same data as an mms (on my account anyway) for about half the cost. In free times transmition can be free. What makes the technology usefull is the price. In Australia all forms of data transfer are VERY high, but that is not the case in other countries.
You miss my point somewhat. I don't know about Australia but here in the UK your not actually charged for having a GPRS connection up and running just for the data you transfer over it and so our GPRS connections are up all the time assuming you have coverage. Its how you manage the connection (detecting the IP layer stopping working for example) and the data that flows over it thats important.
When it comes to GSM though your right, there is no way you want to have a permanent connection up, it has to be on-demand based. That in itself leads to problems, the main being that you have to handle charging your customer for the data calls you make to the terminal. Or if you don't connect to the terminal, and it only connects to you, how does the terminal know when messages are waiting.
For us, GSM us a last-ditch solution when GPRS isn't available. However in the UK we've generally found that if you can make a GSM call you can connect to GPRS, and if GPRS is down for some reason, the whole cell is generally not available (so GSM doesn't work either). There are occasions where a hardware failure on a MNO (not at the cell but in the rest of the network) may cause GPRS to stop working but allow GSM to work but situations like that are rare and generally quickly rectified by the MNO.
I searched this forum, but found no answer to my following question:
I have a Hermes with WM6.
A coworker also wants to buy this device (or similar), but had one question I couldn't answer::
Is it possible to use a WM6 device as a modem for my laptop to use UMTS (3G) or GPRS and still be able to receice phonecalls?
I never used this sollution, so I wasn't sure.
He needs to use the device as a wireless modem very often, but is afraid that he loses phonecalls during this time.
Has anyone an answer to this?
thanks
Martijn
hi.... depending on the network. say, some networks setup by ericcson have a bug, as i am told.
You can connect to 3g/gprs. However, if you make a call or receive a call, if you have a data transfer happening simultaneously, it will stop. Your connection will not break. But whatever you were doing will sieze. You can resume your internet activity once the phonecall ends.
If you have a network setup by one of the other players like nokia siemens, then you will not have this problem
@mirage22
I don't realy follow you. You say that it depens on the network, but speak of Nokia, Ericson and Siemens. Do you mean this will work with Nokia,..etc phones and not with the hermes (TyTN)? Or is it dependent of the network provider (Like T-Mobile/Vodaphone)?
It seems to me that if you have a 3G connection, it's still possible to place and receive phonecalls. Just like receiving an sms. That's also possible when in a phonecall..
Isn't this something a lot of people do every day?
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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I believe the company that made Magic Jack tried to do this, and got lawsuits off the ying yang by Phone companies. So it definitely is possible. How difficult it is going to be to do this is beyond my level of intellect.
I thought I had responded to this but it is going to be hard. Very very hard. First and foremost those devices are built for one thing changing that functionality is going to be hard. I'm sure it already has a unique tower id, the problem is changing the routing. It is probably hard coded in how to route calls, changing that is going to be difficult, and I be the protocol is proprietary and encrypted.
The next thing is the legal aspect, the frequencies they operate on are private, as in we can't use them.
xplus93 said:
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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I work for the Corporate Technical Support Team for these devices. Basically there is not much you can do with it. There are some neat features inside of the device which you can mess with extending the range, and Allowing more users than normally allowed. But the device, built by Ericsson is made specifically to connect to one Sprint tower within 15 miles of your home location, once authorized it outputs an EVDO signal for your phone. Everything else is done by your internet. Flashing a PRL won't do anything but brick it, since Verizon does not carry this product, and the GSM Giants have a different version of it that will not authenticate. So creating a personal network is not really a viable option.
Just like a vonage box or any other VoIP device, it has to authenticate somehow. The only thing I see even remotely possible is that you can [maybe] alter the devices firmware to allow multiple authentication channels. Even still the data would be reported to Airvana, Sprint, and Ericsson and it would probably term your service. Same thing when people flash phones over to the Verizon PRL. It gets noticed quickly, and Sprint will proactively cancel your account if there is anything fishy.
My only recommendation to you is that you buy one outright, not connected to any account, and then begin the modding experiements.
I am to assume you have the Airvana AP, or do you have the Samsung Airave?
voip with mobile phone is blocked by our profiders in the netherlands >.<
Voip
I setup voip on my LG Vortex vs660, all you need is groove ip and google voice and one legit# just get a walmart prepay phone register with that number then get ur phone# from google and don't port anthing. Add voice to ur regular phone and then on the google voice site have your calls forwarded to your gmail address and that will be attached to your regular phone. You can then use whatever network ur on to take in/out calls on the data network. All you need is wifi to make and takes calls, why the attn? I have an inactive non activated phone and I'm on mediacom's network with topped out 1ghz upstream which is plenty for decent quality calls. More up is better but work wit what u have. If you need help or need info on setup in detail let me know I wrote an 18 page paper on the subject, just an indepth view that will explain everything and whqt settings to use. Get ahold of me if you need it.
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I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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The custom prl would be on the phone. Basically i want to use it and my old sprint phone as a super fancy high tech cordless phone system for my house. Apparently as i thought its locked down tight.
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I work for the Corporate Technical Support Team for these devices. Basically there is not much you can do with it. There are some neat features inside of the device which you can mess with extending the range, and Allowing more users than normally allowed. But the device, built by Ericsson is made specifically to connect to one Sprint tower within 15 miles of your home location, once authorized it outputs an EVDO signal for your phone. Everything else is done by your internet. Flashing a PRL won't do anything but brick it, since Verizon does not carry this product, and the GSM Giants have a different version of it that will not authenticate. So creating a personal network is not really a viable option.
Just like a vonage box or any other VoIP device, it has to authenticate somehow. The only thing I see even remotely possible is that you can [maybe] alter the devices firmware to allow multiple authentication channels. Even still the data would be reported to Airvana, Sprint, and Ericsson and it would probably term your service. Same thing when people flash phones over to the Verizon PRL. It gets noticed quickly, and Sprint will proactively cancel your account if there is anything fishy.
My only recommendation to you is that you buy one outright, not connected to any account, and then begin the modding experiements.
I am to assume you have the Airvana AP, or do you have the Samsung Airave?
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This is exactly what I am looking for. Any links?
Using Net10 with Sprint Air Rave
I used to have an account with Sprint also using an air rave. Worked fine till I switched over to Net10 with my same Sprint phones. I am still on the Sprint network but getting billed from Net10 at 45% less per month still using the Sprint network. So how can I use the Air Rave now? Or do I have to have an active open account with Sprint to use it?
I stay in India .. Can you help me to setup everything and does it costs money... I am in 8th class... I don't have much money
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The Dilema : My Contract gives me a wonderous 20mb of Internet per month
This, Sadly is insufficient. However I do get unlimited calls. Couple this with the Free Dialup lines provided by "Free" (in france) and I come to an interesting question : Is there such a thing as a "virtual" dialup modem :
The general idea is it acts like a normal call, dialing their dialup lines, The incoming audio is then converted by the "Virtual" modem and internet access, achieved.
You may now call me totally freaking insane.
Thankyou for your time, in advance
jman6495, Professional Lunatic
Nope not gonna work....
Back in the day I know on CDMA you could dailup to a dailup provider via cell phone, BUT it would still use data.
So what your wanting is NOT possible.
Back when I used to have a "dumb" phone on Verizon I was able to dial up tether to my laptop using bluetooth. I had a data block on my phone so it went through as a regular call, it showed "data call" on my bill but I was never charged extra. But it was only able to run at a very low baud rate so it was hardly usable. This may have been due to the digital compression used on cell phone voice calls.
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Back when I used to have a "dumb" phone on Verizon I was able to dial up tether to my laptop using bluetooth. I had a data block on my phone so it went through as a regular call, it showed "data call" on my bill but I was never charged extra. But it was only able to run at a very low baud rate so it was hardly usable. This may have been due to the digital compression used on cell phone voice calls.
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Its not doable on GSM networks. They dont have CDMA over there and I`m pretty sure it no longer works on CDMA after all the changes.
it can be use