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Confused: IE wants to use GPRS rather than GSM

Hi,
Very confused about this. When I go into connections it lists work connections and when I click on manage work connections there is one I added: VirginNet which uses CSD. No other exists.
Whenever I access a web page it keeps trying to connect to O2 Internet using GPRS.
Any ideas how I get it to stop? Do I have to hit the registry?
Cheers

R u sure there's only 'my work network' & no entry like 'my isp'.
if not create one for the csd type you want & check the advanced tab as well. 'my isp' is for internet. 'my work' for lan.
regards, M

Here goes..
If you open connections, go to the second tab, and click the "select networks" button. This is where you tell the operating system what network connection to ue for which application. You'll be specifically interested in the internet portion, which is the first section.

I had no My ISP section but it obviously still had the details somewhere. I've had to hard reset and start again.
Thanks for the replies though.
I guess, even with a CSD rather than GPRS, if something on my pocketPC tries to connect it will still cost me.
I seem to remember in Pocket PC 2000 that it couldn't do this on its own, it always needed permission.

borgs said:
I had no My ISP section but it obviously still had the details somewhere. I've had to hard reset and start again.
Thanks for the replies though.
I guess, even with a CSD rather than GPRS, if something on my pocketPC tries to connect it will still cost me.
I seem to remember in Pocket PC 2000 that it couldn't do this on its own, it always needed permission.
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Well, you are going to pay for the phone minutes if you use dial up, or you pay for GPRS useage. Actually, I didn't even realize the Magician had a dial up modem...
In any case, you can establish a connection by going to Connections and adding a connection. Select "Cellular Line" (which is the default, and go from there). I haven't done it with the Magician, but I have used dial up with WM2003.

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Man,as far as I learnt from my master courses, the GSM is a method for calling.For data transferring,it's GPRS........So if you wanna IE transfer data for ya,GPRS is needed.

That's not entirely true, you can configure a csd connection like with a regular modem.Which dials a number & have the data over the phone call.
Works OK PIE won't see the diff.
Cheers, M

I'm using CSD rather than GPRS because I can use my voice allowance of 200 minutes per month for data access. I've just checked my bill and, going via VirginNet dialup, it is using my allowance rather than being charged. It's slow but I can access the internet on the small number of occasions that I need to.
The question is; if something requires internet access on my pocket PC will it just go ahead and dial up now? Those 200 minutes won't last long if it fails to disconnect.
I would prefer it if the device would actually ask before it went ahead to get internet access.

Yes it will dial up & show shortly a message with the cancel/hide buttons. I'm on flatfee gprs from TMO & don't bother, so I can use journal bar, timesync, true imap mail (vgs mail), have automatic virus scan updates etc. etc. I guess your 200min. will be gone soon. In the Netherlands the internet dial-up numbers are seperate and expensive, so keep an eye on it.
Cheers, M

It all depends on the application you use.
IE won't connect on its own without you telling it to go to a web page. Messaging won't connect without you telling it to connect occasionally either.
Well-developed programs like Worldmate and PocketWeather won't either. You have to specifically allow them to connect, but it's program-dependent. If you install some rogue program that doesn't ask you, then yes, you will have problems.
Just remember that if you dial up using CSD, you will be connecting at around cellular speed 14.4Kbps (unless you connect to a HS connection, which I'm not sure the JARJAR even supports).

Hi,
Thanks for all the info.
In the end I've created 2 CSD profiles, one with user id info etc. and one without. When I don't intend to use the internet I set it to the one without. If anything attempts to get internet access it gets stuck at the network log on dialog and doesn't actually dial out - unless I accidentally hit the ok button on the handset. Best I can do I think.
When I want internet access I switch to the proper profile and it dials out normally.
Don't see why Microsoft couldn't provide a "Don't dial out" profile but there you go.
Cheers

I had a question pertaining to GSM/GPRS. Will the Magician/Jam, etc be able to upgrade to EDGE service once it is available in the U.S. at a decent rate? Will companies force us to upgrade our devices? How long will GPRS be available to consumers?

Network selection hierachy - Wifi vs GPRS (Kaiser)

When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.

Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol

Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/

briggs81 said:
You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.

You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT

WinMo Network Management SUCKS!

Argh!
I've never really posted a rant, but here's one.
Symbian is streets ahead of WinMo when it comes to network management.
With Symbian if you open an app that wants to access the Internet you get a prompt asking what available connection you want to use. If for some reason while using that app you lose the connection, you get prompted again.
WinMo doesn't ask. It uses whatever network is available going from Wifi down.
This is a problem for some (Okay, not all. I'm sure people with unlimited data plans, and those who don't want to be prompted like this way). Symbian let you configure programs to automatically connect to a network. It gave you a choice. Again, WinMo doesn't.
My own example -
I'm with Telstra, in Australia. We don't get unlimited data. I have a 150MB Plan.
With my previous N95 I could start up Internet Radio, chose WiFi for my connection, and listen to it while I was in bed knowing that if I fall asleep, and the WiFi drops out, the program will stop. It won't switch over to HSDPA and cost me a fortune.
Now my Touch HD. It sleeps automatically after 30 minutes. I've just found out that when it does that, I lose WiFi.
Last night when I went to bed I started up Kinoma, and was listening to a shoutcast stream over WiFi. The phone went to sleep and with the wifi connection lost, the phone went to HSDPA.
12 Hours of streaming has put me 560MB over my 150MB limit. That's $270 extra I'm going to need to pay.
Oh well. Lesson learned.
I don't understand though how Windows Mobile can be so far ahead of Symbian in almost every area, yet lacking by a huge amount when it comes to Network Management.
FWIW - I've now set all programs that want to use the Internet to now use my "Work Connection" so they will only use WiFi but
a) What a useless workaround. If for some reason I do want to use HSDPA data I then have to go through the hassle of changing it back
and
b) How hard is it to have the option there to "Always Ask"
Seriously!?
Phew. I'm done.

you have my sympathy, my last smart phone was symbian UIQ. that had internet profiles and priorities etc. WinMo is sadly deficient in that area.
There are a few issues raised here.
First off wifi turning off when the phone (and you!) goes to sleep. I think there is a setting to prevent that, have a look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488623
also i have seen mentioned an app called no_data which prevents GPRS connections, might be usefull, though I have no experience of it.

I have to agree on this, but on a slightly different subject: the EVIL windows mobile connection manager.
It is completely useless, being in the middle way between iPhone style (connect with any network and don't bother the user), and Symbian style (bother the user and let him choose the network every time). That is, it requires the users to dig into tricky and labyrinthic settings and always fails to do the right thing.
Thx to connection manager, I cannot use the BT PAN connection I spent long nights trying to get it work on my Motorola Q9, when the phone is not in airplane mode, because the CM will unilaterally think the PAN is useless and use H$DPA (or GPR$) instead.

Good old fashion Telstra reeming plays a part as well.

OUCH on the $270!!!
[email protected]#$%^&*()_+|
I share you frastration until I found this No Data application which I install first in every flash, it just disables any Data connection!
If you need it let me know

Thanks for the sympathy.
My biggest problem with NoData is that I actually want to be able to use HSDPA when I am not near a WiFi network, I don't want data off permanently!
Why can't there be an app that lets you chose which connection everytime. That's what is annoying me most!

When you need it just switch it back on. Less than few clicks

Hi,
i have just posted regarding this issue on another thread.
I remember reading a review for the Touch HD and one reviewer mentioned a 'simple thord party app that allows one button switching from wifi to 3g(HSDPA)'. rather disappointingly the reviewer does not mention what this app is called!!!!!
actually the issue i have is slighlty different, if i set the network setting to use wifi , when i turn wifi off i have the phone simply will not connect to anything until is go back through.
START>SETTINGS>CONNECTIONS>CONNECTIONS>ADVANCED>SELECT NETWORKS> either MY Work Network or Orang Internet.
phew what a pain in the preverbials.
Microsoft - i really hope you sort this in winMo 6.5
Anybody else - how about a simple app, if i switch wifi on and a network is found, set the above to my work network.
if not found then either set it to Orange Internet (or whoeever) (for those of us with unlimited data) or as the thread leader suggests just bloody ask whether it is ok to go back to 3G/HSDPA.
but can we please stop the:
START>SETTINGS>CONNECTIONS>CONNECTIONS>ADVANCED>SELECT NETWORKS>MY Work Network
or
START>SETTINGS>CONNECTIONS>CONNECTIONS>ADVANCED>SELECT NETWORKS>"carrier internet connection"
7 clicks of frustration that i struggle to do without a stylus

I've since installed and been using NoData. While not a perfect solution, it does make it easier to turn my data connections on and off without going through the settings menus.
It will do until Microsoft decides to catch up with the rest of the field with regards to network management.

Wi-Fi connectivity issues

I am experiencing a couple of annoying issues with my new HTC HD2. Most of which seems to have coincided with my old O2 number being ported over to T-Mobile. Prior to this I had a temporary number and all settings seemed to work ok (although frankly I cannot recall to be sure). Once the number was ported everything went a bit mental, I could not connect to any internet app via Wi-Fi and various searches boiled this down to an erroneous proxy server setting which once removed resolved my problem. I also had an email issue which I partially resolved by deleting my account and setting it up again from scratch. The two issues I am now left with are a bit odd.
When connected via Wi-Fi neither ie6 nor email will connect - it seems to be that neither of these applications will fallback to wi-fi if there is no mobile coverage/connectivity. To clarify, I have deliberately turned my phone radio off to test it purely with wi-fi - with both apps I get the "cannot connect" message where it prompts me to check that mobile service is available and I am not in flight mode etc. So clearly it is not willing to use wi-fi even though it is connected and I can use Opera with no issues - this does not seem to impact any other application. I wonder if there is a registry issue that is stopping them from using wifi.
I can get round this temporarily if I go into settings>all settings>connections>connections>advanced>select networks and then change "programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:" from "T-mobile Internet" to "My Work Network" however this only reverses the issue i.e. they then work with wi-fi but not on mobile internet (with the added issue that all other internet apps will no longer working on mobile internet) - so this is hardly a satisfactory resolution.
I have had a bash with various other settings but nothing seems to work - has anyone else experienced this issue?

is the option "the internet"available? that would make the app use whatever connection is available to the phone.
as far as the number being ported starting this I'd be tempted to backup and hard reset.let the phone pick up the sim with the new settings from fresh.

Thanks for the prompt response. I have checked other options and whilst there are others none of them are configured. The fact that other applications happily work under either wifi or mobile internet would seem to imply it is just these applications that are being a bit obtuse rather than any of the connectivity settings.
I guess I may have to hard reset - although I am not convinced that the SIM would govern connectivity settings of microsoft applications.

Just noticed QuickGPS does the same thing i.e. will only connect through mobile internet - it complains it cannot connect if I try through wi-fi only.

bl**dy hell - Google Maps does not work now either!!!!!!!!!

lol, one problem breeding others, it's a "feature" hehe.

Ok i'll shut up now.............did a hard reset and all seems good for the moment at least. Frankly I clearly should have bowed to your better judgement LOL

sometimes its the best first thing to try. once you have done a few they only take 20 30 minutes, you can spend hours with network problems.

My HD2 is harassing me with UMTS

Hello,
I just bought a Leo. My provider is Vodafone IT.
From the very first moment, while WiFi is present in my house, the phone tried to connect to Internet via UMTS. It does so often when Wifi is temporarily unavailable.
After my old Glofiish M800, one year ago, made me spend 3€ for two consecutive connections for the duration of a half second each (1.50€ on connection then) I requested Vodafone to completely disable Internet access for my SIM card. All I did then was to connect the PDA to USB cable and SPB Weather immediately tried to update weather without even waiting for Net via ActiveSync to become available in a few seconds.
With Leo, I also deleted all network access points from configuration, set all profiles to Office Network and unchecked (my ROM is Italian) "This connection has Internet access" "Questa connessione dispone di accesso a Internet".
What occurs now is that often, but really OFTEN, even during the night, especially when I'm on the road and I'm not interested in Facebook, YouTube or weather, the phone turns on and two popup appear:
One as a notification "Called: " (before deleting AP "Called: web.omnitel.it" "Chiamata effettuata: web.omnitel.it"). The other as error message about problems with GPRS.
I also have to pay great attention to the second popup. Once, but fortunately not today, it went over the lock screen and I was unable to unlock it as the slider was below the popup. I was also unable to close the popup as the screen was locked so I had to soft-reset.
I only installed TomTom and Core Player for now.
I DON'T WANT TO PAY VODAFONE LOTS OF MONEY FOR UMTS ACCESS WITHOUT MY CONSENT, NOR SIGN UP FOR FLAT PLANS AS I HAVE WIRELESS ACCESS IN EVERY PLACE I USUALLY GO!!!
Can somebody help me tell Leo to NEVER TRY to use UMTS? I had to agree with Vodafone that I would have been unable to even send MMSs and perform videocalls until I restore UMTS, but I can't spend this huge money for the sake of weather and for greedy (it's the right word) software that just want to connect to the Internet whenever THEY want (ie. Windows Vista/7 does Windows Update only when Internet is detected, it never tries to connect until you do manually).
Thank you. Please anser me ASAP. If I don't find a solution, I will return the PDA to the seller (it's a great PDA, I wouldn't like to)

settings menu all settings connections connections advanced tab select networks change the top drop down to "my work network"
hope it helps!

Hi, I followed what you suggested and, in order to test faster, I tried to manually update weather from HTC Sense.
First of all, even if I uncheck the Internet access checbox from Office Network ("My work network" you mentioned), I always see it comes back again. I found that "ISP settings" only shows two tabs, and no Internet/proxy checkbox, so I also tested selecting this connection.
I also entered "*" as list of intranet addresses.
Every time I try to update weather, for all of these tests, I see the 3G arrows on top of notification bar flashing for a couple of seconds and the same exact alerts
Does your phone always connect to 3G?
[EDIT] I also tested http://www.htc.com/au/faqs.aspx?p_id=297&cat=264&id=118112, no result. But actually the help page says it clearly: it's normal that the phone will notice errors.
Is there any registry tweak or what?

Hello,
To solve your problem, go to the redfrogfish website, google to find the link. Download and install the Data Controller cab.This enables you to turn on/off the data connection function of the HD2
(I wanted to give you the link, but I am a new user and not allowed to do so)
Good Luck

djechelon said:
Hi, I followed what you suggested and, in order to test faster, I tried to manually update weather from HTC Sense.
First of all, even if I uncheck the Internet access checbox from Office Network ("My work network" you mentioned), I always see it comes back again. I found that "ISP settings" only shows two tabs, and no Internet/proxy checkbox, so I also tested selecting this connection.
I also entered "*" as list of intranet addresses.
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I think you are going further into the settings than i need to.
settings - menu - all settings - connections - connections - switch to advanced tab - click 'select networks'
See my image 1 - setting the top dropdown to 'my work network' (or 'the internet', it gets called slightly diff thing depending on your setup, ,)) means it will look for whatever active connection is available and use that.
I also have a commmanager that has seperate on/off toggles for 3g and data.(see pic 2) So, if i turn off data connection, but leave 3g on, even though i have 3g (well, H) showing available on the top bar, if i go to update the weather it comes up with 'connection error'. If i start opera, it fails, etc etc.
Back into comm manager., turn back on the data toggle, everything works again.
If i turn off 3g, and leave data off, I get the same results.

paulmor said:
Hello,
To solve your problem, go to the redfrogfish website, google to find the link. Download and install the Data Controller cab.This enables you to turn on/off the data connection function of the HD2
(I wanted to give you the link, but I am a new user and not allowed to do so)
Good Luck
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Thank you!
It did solve my problem
Here is the link you couldn't post, as it can be useful to the community:
http://redfrogfish.com/data-controller/

Thanks for the link, had a same problem which is solved now running this program.