Hey. This is my first post on the board - spent the last couple of days snooping round and searching as much possible. Just wandering if anyone can offer me a little bit of advice.
Basically I'm looking to get the TyTN once it finally comes out on t-mobile. Apart from the it being my first pda phone and every function looking like too much fun it would be really useful - at least every so often - if I could take photos off of my camera and email them off places.
I shoot a canon 30d - which takes compact flash type I and II.
The simplest? solution: would be connect the camera (or more practically a card reader) by usb to the phone. From what I read the wizard and the universal do NOT support usb hosting - and as far as I can find neither does the TyTN.
Next best solution: compact flash to sd adapter. Which does not exist. Either due to lack of demand or the laws of physics.
Final - well if its the only way, its the only way - solution: sd to compact flash adapter. Use sd cards in my camera when I reckon it'll be useful to transfer them to my phone. Only issue here is write speed. But considering the buffer on the 30d is about 30 jpegs (or 9 jpeg/raw simultaneously) it shouldn't be a huge problem...?
Are there any other solutions? And are my presumutions correct?
Thanks!
James
(I'm a little bit technically stupid on pda phones - but I am a physics student and should really catch on quite quickly...honest)
I think you've pretty much got it down.
hmm...I've just had a thought.
micro sd --> sd --> compactflash.
That's surely going to hugely lower write speeds and make everything a wee bit sketchy?
I'm going to give this a go< i've got a canon 1D mk2 which has an SD slot aswell, I'll see what happens and report. I usually use my dell Axim X50v with my phone in a tight spot without my macbook but the tytn has more ram than the Axim so it may handle the files better.
It works, I set my 1D mk2 to backup shots taken on the CF card and copy them at the same time to the SD card (micro SD adaptor) then took it out the camera put it in the Tytn 2 and go to file explorer and view the images then attach them to an email, sadly I can't do this with my canon 5D but then again the files are a lot bigger anyway so it would be slower with bigger attachements on my emails.
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Hermes micro sd -> sd -> compact flash [digital camera images straight to hermes]
Finally been able to get images straight from my digital camera (canon 30d) to the hermes. Due to the lack of usb hosting the only solution was using adapters in my camera rather than in the phone. Works surprisingly well. At least as well as I'd hoped.
I know this has come up in the forums a couple of times and couldn't find much info on it anywhere else on the web so I've chucked up what I did at http://trust-your-technolust.blogspot.com/ in case anyone is interested. I'll eventually get round to working out the write speed of the card in my camera. This should hopefully be really useful. Allowing me to back-up/distribute hi-res images where ever I am.
James
sounds cool will give it a try with my sony f828
excellent! wanting to do this for a while, I didn't realise sd-cf adaptors were commercially available. Thanks.
Guys,
I'm soon going on a trip to the Lake District (UK National Park) and will be doing a lot of climbing/hiking/walking.
Whilst I am at the summits of certain 'Fells' I will be taking photo's with my Digital Camera.
At that point I want to transfer Photo's from the Camera to the Phone and send them directly from the Phone.
Problems I need to overcome:-
The Camera uses SDHC.
The Phone uses MicroSD.
Apart from the Phone there is no power source.
What do you think is the best way to transfer the Photo's to the Phone so that I can then send them over 3G?
Thanks in advance.
Why not use a Micro sd in a Micro SD to SD adaptor, that way you are storing the camera images direct to a micro SD card and can then just put that in your phone to send the images
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Why not use a Micro sd in a Micro SD to SD adaptor, that way you are storing the camera images direct to a micro SD card and can then just put that in your phone to send the images
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The camera will not take an adapter.
Don't forget I won't have the option of using a computer.
Why will the camera not take an adaptor I have used these adaptors ina PC and they work just the same as if you had put an ordinary SD card in.
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Why will the camera not take an adaptor I have used these adaptors ina PC and they work just the same as if you had put an ordinary SD card in.
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Can you show me which adapter will connect directly to a camera WITHOUT the need for a PC.
Surely you need the PC to transfer the data across?
You can get SD adaptors that are just the same size as an ordinary SD card with a slot in the end to fit a Micro Sd card. This means that they fit anywhere a SD card fits and appear like a SD card to the device they are fitted to. A search on google for "sd adaptor" will find one.
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You can get SD adaptors that are just the same size as an ordinary SD card with a slot in the end to fit a Micro Sd card. This means that they fit anywhere a SD card fits and appear like a SD card to the device they are fitted to. A search on google for "sd adaptor" will find one.
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Yes but that would mean taking the photo's DIRECTLY onto the MicroSD Card.
I use high speed burst mode with my camera and that requires a fast SDHC Class 6 16GB Card.
You can not get a 16GB Class 6 MicroSD.
Although some will be released very soon the difference in price is quite high.
I'm trying to overcome having to chop and change cards between camera & Phone.
I am seeking a lead or something on this vein for transferring the data across.
Surely you're going to have to make some kind of sacrafice at some stage, either:
- Shoot on Class 2 MicroSD (via SD Adapter)
- Take laptop/netbook along
- Only other viable option is some kind of device that replicates SD to MicroSD without a PC - I don't think it exists.
You sound like your probably using a DSLR, have you thought about the time it will take to tranfer each photo over 3G, even assuming you can get 3G reception in the Lake District browsing the net on mine can be frustrating enough never mind uploading 4Mb photo's.
Oh and the power issue is pretty big! Have you got a windup/solar charger or a shed load of spare batteries?
Good luck though - it's a worthy cause
foaf said:
Surely you're going to have to make some kind of sacrafice at some stage, either:
- Shoot on Class 2 MicroSD (via SD Adapter)
- Take laptop/netbook along
- Only other viable option is some kind of device that replicates SD to MicroSD without a PC - I don't think it exists.
You sound like your probably using a DSLR, have you thought about the time it will take to tranfer each photo over 3G, even assuming you can get 3G reception in the Lake District browsing the net on mine can be frustrating enough never mind uploading 4Mb photo's.
Oh and the power issue is pretty big! Have you got a windup/solar charger or a shed load of spare batteries?
Good luck though - it's a worthy cause
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Thanks for the feedback.
Yes, I'm shooting with a couple of cameras (Big Nikon D2Xs & a small semi-pro Panasonic LX3).
The Nikon though uses CFII for storage and I aim to use this camera with it's heavy zoom lens at the foot of the fells.
The LX3 will be going up with me to the top this time as I've done the Nikon before (and what a weight it was).
The last time I had all my gear... Laptop, Mobile 3G, Solar Charger, etc. etc.
This time however I'm trying something different and want to go as light as possible.
I've got the new Proporta portable charger and this will give my Phone plenty of charge.
The LX3 has two spare batteries so that's not going to be an issue.
I did think about using a mobile hard drive like the Archos AV700 (which I have).
It requires no power source using cable alone and has USB Host.
However, it would mean more weight and cables etc.
I just wondered if there were another simple way I could achieve my aim.
I intend to transfer around 3 to 6 pics and appreciate what you say on the speed issue (agree fully) but I want to complete the task which will help in the review I end up writing.
Hi Beards,
I tried but don't have all the right cables to prove it.
I thought the USB on the HD would also behave as a master for storage - so I thought I could connect a USB to a SD converter and that would be the solution. BUT, I don't have a USB female-female connector. I do have a micro USB to USB cable and a USB SD convertor. My aim was to plug it all in and try - Sorry.
Maybe this will work for you with the SD card appearing (hopefully) as storagecard2 but I need the extra cable to prove it.
Only other issue I can think of is the pictures will be big so no MMS transfer will be possible. Only email attachments and then I think there might also be a limit.
Have a great trip !
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Hi Beards,
I tried but don't have all the right cables to prove it.
I thought the USB on the HD would also behave as a master for storage - so I thought I could connect a USB to a SD converter and that would be the solution. BUT, I don't have a USB female-female connector. I do have a micro USB to USB cable and a USB SD convertor. My aim was to plug it all in and try - Sorry.
Maybe this will work for you with the SD card appearing (hopefully) as storagecard2 but I need the extra cable to prove it.
Only other issue I can think of is the pictures will be big so no MMS transfer will be possible. Only email attachments and then I think there might also be a limit.
Have a great trip !
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Hi Dave,
Nice speaking with you again.
Thanks for the heads up, this sounds promising.
I've got a couple of weeks to try and sort it out so if you come across anything suitable do please let me know.
Been far too busy in theatre lately. This trip will make a perfect break.
Why not just use the camera's 50mb internal memory to copy from your cheap high speed SDHC card to the micro SD card in SD adaptor combination already suggested? Since you're only talking abut 3 or 4 photos it shouldn't be a great hardship, and you get to shoot the way you like.
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Why not just use the camera's 50mb internal memory to copy from your cheap high speed SDHC card to the micro SD card in SD adaptor combination already suggested? Since you're only talking abut 3 or 4 photos it shouldn't be a great hardship, and you get to shoot the way you like.
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I'm not taking 3 to 4 shots shuflie.... I'll be 'transferring' 3 to 4 shots to the Phone.
I will be taking around three hundred odd shots in total. I've then got to pick which will then be transferred to the phone.
It's an interesting concept though....
The MicroSD to SD Adapter keeps cropping up in topic here. So on basis this needs to be investigated further.
Edit:
I have just checked the Manual on the LX3 and it would appear this procedure can be done.
According to the Manual I can copy data from an SDHC card to Internal Memory and vice-versa.
So.... all I would need to do is:-
1. Pick from which shots require transferring.
2. Transfer them into Internal Memory.
3. Take out the SDHC Card with all the photos on.
4. Insert the SD Adapter with MicroSD card.
5. Transfer the selected Internal Memory shots on to the MicroSD card.
6. Take out the Adapter and MicroSD card from the camera and remove the MicroSD from the SD Adapter.
7. Insert the MicroSD card into the Phone and temporarily place in internal memory.
8. Take out the MicroSD card and replace with the correct storage MicroSD card.
9. On the Phone, transfer the shots from Internal Memory to the Storage card.
10. Send the shots over 3G.
Phew........ but at least it should work.
DSLR image sending via Touch HD
Hi Beards
I am a news photographer and do exactly this all the time.
There are sacrifices that pretty much have to be made.. you can't do everything you want without power and a laptop / or loads of extra kit.
The sacrifice is basically you cant shoot on class 6 cards you are stuck with the speed of the microSD. However.. we shoot riots, news, entertainment, etc in RAW mode on a Canon DSLR and unless we hammer it and motordrive loads of shots we dont have any problem with the slow microSD cards from SanDisk. I'm not sure what you plan to burst shoot but i would suspect if it serves us ok doing breaking news it should serve you ok up in the countryside. (unless you are doing motorsports or something )
Our workflow is this..
We shoot RAW images on the Canon EOS1D mk II on a SanDiskc 8bg microSD card in a SanDisk SD card adaptor.
We put the microSD card into the touch HD and use an application called Phojo http://www.idruna.com to extract the jpeg image from the raw file and email or FTP the image from our phone. Phojo has a lot of pro features that you may or may not need.. although it is commercial software so may not be something you want to invest in.
Of course shooting JPEG should mean you can shoot even quicker as the files are less than half the size of the raw images and you dont need Phojo to do the extracting of files. You can of course use the touchHD's built in email software then to send them by email if you wish. We recomment Phojo however because it is specifically designed for this application.
There are obviously other solutions.. you can get battery powered tiny USB transfer devices (belkin used to make one) that will transfer the content of one usb device (card reader / card) to another. However we havent had much success with these and they are fiddly.
Your needs match very much what press photographers do every day. All the ones i know do it by using the microSD adaptor / Phojo method (altho most dont shoot RAW they shoot JPEG) The ones who dont use the microSD method are either using a wifi transmitter made by canon or nikon on their camera and Phojo or they are using a PDA/Phone that supports USB host or SD cards.
Hopefully this helps
kind regards
Edward
Equinox Features
http://www.newspics.com
Newspics, that's really interesting. Great to see how the pro's do it.
I feel like there sould be camera's with built in capabilities to upload pics by now. Or at least Bluetooth 3.0 between the phone and the camera. Live Mesh does a pretty good job for me for syncing pics to my PC, if only it could sync between Camera, Phone and PC.
If you will have no access to a power supply how are you going to keep your phone charged?
Hello!
I've been searching for a (preferably portable) bluetooth flash card reader, so it can be used to read/write files without opening the case of the f-ing phone (yes, I'm very pissed at the phone designer, who made flash card slot in Fuze under the damn lid, which hard to open with a chance find the battery on the floor = the dumbest thing I've ever seen)
Changing cards in the phone is only one of the problems, another problem is that I install most of the programs on flash card, and it might freeze the phone when it's changed.
Any suggestions?
Thank you.
Hi there,
Depending on the ROM you have, the bluetooth file explorer works exactly as you want. You can send / receive files over bluetooth from your laptop. I will warn you however, that this is an extremely slow process when working with files especially over the 10mb mark. If taking the chip out is the main concern, I advise you to get the USB cable and put the phone into Disk Drive mode. That mode is not quite as fast as taking the chip out and using it in a card reader, but it is still MUCH faster than bluetooth.
Feel free to PM me if you need help or further explanations
Thank you for the reply.
By portable I ment something much much smaller and much cheaper then a laptop...
Since designer of the photo camera I'm using was much smarter then HTC designer, the flash card can be easily be removed from it, and that where the files I need to transfer are from.
I've seen so many portable BT gps loggers, that look like a little box with a usb dongle sticked in (the box is battery), why not make something similar, but instead of GPS add flash card reader bult-in the dongle?
I mean it makes so much sense, but I failed to find anything even remotely close to this...
I still have my previous phone 8525, with a flash card slot outside, perhaps I could use that phone for now...as soon as I can figure out how to set up the bt link between the phones...probably will need update the rom on 8525..
I've looked everywhere. No one seems to have posted them. What are they?
Right now I'm a bit confused. Since this is an awesome device you'd think it would be fast in every aspect. It is, except for USB file transfers.
I'm running on Windows 7 Ultimate. I backed up everything from my phone to the computer with a data transfer rate from the SD card, in the phone, of 4.5MB/s. I then formatted the card (read earlier that this would help with the HD2 lock-ups) and copied everything back onto the SD card in the same fashion, through the phone. The data transfer back is right around 2.5 MB/s.... ???
I've tested all the ports around the computer, each are about the same. Anyone have any idea on how to fix this?
First thing would be to tell what kind and class of microSD card you have...
That would really depend on your SD card "class".
The higher the class, the faster it is capable of performing reading and writing operations.
But it's better to avoid the 16GB cards... the larger capacity cards take much longer to read... regardless of classifications or brand.
Something like a 4GB - Class 6 card is excellent.
I've read that it's only a class 2 MicroSD. Do you guys know where I can get class 4, or even a class 6 MicroSD? Whichever I get however depends on the max speed of the HD2. For example, I don't want to buy a class 6 and find out that the HD2 can only handle speeds up to the class 4. There is a $30-$40 USD difference.
Thanks for the SD info, it definitely helps. But now we're brought back to my original question. What are the max transfer speeds through the phone onto/from the MicroSD card? Has anyone found out?
personally i wouldn't do large data backups through activesync/MDC with the card still in the phone.
its simple to remove the card and put it in the supplied adapter card for use with sd_readers.
i bought a usb1.1 reader from a 'pound' shop, copying large files takes alot less time (average 10-11mb/sec) with my more expensive usb2.0 reader its even faster (average 50-60mb/sec)
card class does make a difference, but then so does sending large amounts of data through a 'middle man' like activesync or device center.
budget SD reader FTW
That is a good point, and I agree is faster than through the phone. For me though I have a few accessories on the phone which make taking the SD card out quite a pain.
I have an invisishield on the screen, and a poly-something or other high density plastic cover to replace the cover that came with the phone,-- It grips around the HD2 tightly. The cover is wonderful, but it tends to interfere with the invisishield. So if I am continually taking the cover on and off to get the SD card out I will eventually bend up the edges of the invisishield and will need to get that replaced.
In my best attempts to keep the phone nice I'm going to have to stick with whatever input/output the HD2-to/from-SD can give me.
choosing disk drive mode rather than active sync is the easiest way to speed up file transfers.
re: the figures you gave in post 1, write is always slower than read.
Forgot to mention, it was in 'disk drive mode'.
Btw, I found that the HTC HD2 is USB 2.0 Hi-Speed capable out-of-box. (I'd post a link, but forums wont let me, being new), and Hi-Speed USB can transfer 480Mbits/s, or ~57MB/s (Wikipedia, Universal Serial Bus, Signaling).
The Class 6 MicroSD card can write 48Mbits/s, or 6MB/s (Wikipedia, Secure Digital, Speeds). Easily obtained for the HD2.
Assuming this is everything that needs to be dealt with, this should work out wonderfully. I'll be writing files 300% faster with a class 6, and reading a whole lot faster (thanks Samsamuel, forgot about that read/write differences). Question is though, is this all? Or do I need to install some hi-speed usb driver on the computer? Or are there other things I'm not seeing that need to be dealt with?
its also worth remembering when you are doing the maths that USB loses around 25/35% to networking overhead. (the data that makes up the packet that holds the data you are transferring)
So, 480 Mbit = 60MBytes total = around 35Mbytes actual data transferred per second. (Results vary depending on the system, the cable, all kinds of things, but 30-35 is average, a little more in a testbed situation.
So I guess I'll just have to suffer with 219% faster instead of 300%... Well, looks like I'm returning the HD2!
I picked up a gtab and want to use it while on vacation or backup the photos from my SLR's compactflash memory cards to a portable hard drive. Is this possible?
Basically it would be the usb adapter, then USB hub, with a compactflash (or SD) memory card reader and usb hdd off of it.
Anyone who has tried this, can you comment on the speed of transfer? The RAW images are around 30mb each and I have a 16gb and 2x 8gb memory cards.
Here's my method... I have a Canon 40D.
1. Like it or not the world revolves around SD, not Compact Flash. So, don't use Compact Flash, use SD memory. Buy an adapter here and then you need only ever use SD cards going forward.
2. You can load your photos onto your TAB using Samsung's USB adapter for the TAB. Plug in an USB based SD card reader into the TAB and suck all the pictures off the SD card.
3. Get a Microsoft Live account. It's free. Along with the Microsoft Live account you get a free 25GB "Sky Drive" to store whatever you want.
4. Go to the marketplace and search for Sky Drive. There are a couple of apps there that will let you move files from your tab to the Sky Drive.
If you need more than 25GB of space then you can do this to free up space on the Sky Drive...
1. Put Microsoft Live on one of the computers in your home.
2. Put the free version of Logmein on your home PC.
3. Buy and install Logmein Ignition for the Tab.
4. Log into your home computer from the Tab via Logmein and move the files from the Sky Drive to your home PC.
You might be able to create a script to move the files from Sky Drive to the PC automatically, thus saving you the purchase of Logmein Ignition.
I am a Pro, and I wish the Pro world revolved around SD, but current generation Nikons are all CF.
Having said that, I have read some people being able to mount portable HDDs with rooted Transformer and Iconia and have access to the full capacity of the drive. But, they also have a full USB port built in.
The Market App is: https://market.android.com/details?id=au.dach.drivemount
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1. Like it or not the world revolves around SD, not Compact Flash. So, don't use Compact Flash
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I stopped reading after this. ALL Pro bodies use compact flash. They have higher capacities, and are more resilient to damage than SD. This will never change. Anyone saying SD is better than CF doesn't know their Aperture size from their shutter speed.
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I stopped reading after this. ALL Pro bodies use compact flash. They have higher capacities, and are more resilient to damage than SD. This will never change. Anyone saying SD is better than CF doesn't know their Aperture size from their shutter speed.
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You are correct, I'm not a pro photographer. However, I've shot over 40,000 photos on my 40D ALL on SD without ever a single SD failure. I'd say that's a pretty good track record.
The world does revolve around SD. It's the vast majority and the most compatible. It rules the market the way Windows rules the PC operating systems.
Is it better? I don't know. I didn't say one way or the other. To paraphrase your post: A person that thinks I said that SD was better than Compact Flash doesn't know their verbs from their nouns.
It's simply more convenient, cheaper, and in almost all cases just as safe. Maybe, back in the early days of SD it was prone to more failure but living in the past is no way to be successful in the future.
For the time being I can't move away from compactflash. When I get a new camera in a few years, I'll see what camera floats my boat then. Please keep this on compactflash since that's what I have now Although, I do appreciate the suggestions. I am not a "pro" photographer (actually an engineer). But, it is one of my favorite hobbies.
When I travel to other countries, I usually either don't have access to wifi or I don't have access to fast enough wifi to upload the pictures to a cloud drive. I really need to be able to plug in the card reader AND the hdd at once (since the gtab doesn't have enough internal space for my pic backups). I haven't seen anyone post in the forums yet that they confirmed you can access 2 drives (reader and hdd) simultaneously to copy between then
If I can find a usb adapter at best buy and a powered hub I'll try it. Supposed I can take them back if it doesn't work. Just hoping someone already tried it and could tell me which hub/cardreader/etc to get to save some hassle of swapping out a few hubs/card readers.
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You are correct, I'm not a pro photographer. However, I've shot over 40,000 photos on my 40D ALL on SD without ever a single SD failure. I'd say that's a pretty good track record.
The world does revolve around SD. It's the vast majority and the most compatible. It rules the market the way Windows rules the PC operating systems.
Is it better? I don't know. I didn't say one way or the other. To paraphrase your post: A person that thinks I said that SD was better than Compact Flash doesn't know their verbs from their nouns.
It's simply more convenient, cheaper, and in almost all cases just as safe. Maybe, back in the early days of SD it was prone to more failure but living in the past is no way to be successful in the future.
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I wasn't implying SD cards would fail, as I have an SD card in my pocket camera I use when I don't want to take a Large Body/Lens set with me. I wasn't necessarily implying that SD cards fail, more that due to their thinness, they could snap, warp, etc. Also, as CF cards have a much more rigid body, they're more resilient in a disaster case. Ever tossed a memory card through the washer/Dryer? Run over it with a car? CF cards can stand a lot of abuse.
The one nice feature of SD cards that I wish CF cards had is the write protect switch. I have a memory card holder for my CF cards that has colored tabs you can use to tell if they're full or not, but a Write protect switch would be kinda nice.
A few years ago, SD cards were extremely expensive, compared to CF for GB to GB comparison. Today, the price gap is much much narrower, in some cases SD is cheaper than CF (although usually slower in terms of read/write speeds)
Both formats have their place. I don't discount SD, nor do i imply you're wrong in any way for using them, as I have a number of devices that use them, but CF also has it's place, in the professional world where photographers require the utmost performance and reliability from their memory devices.
On a side note, my company produces industrialized standalone computers that are remotely deployed on telephone and light poles in Pakistan to collect RFID tags on shipments bound for Afghanistan. These devices run solely on CF cards as well due to their durability.
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I picked up a gtab and want to use it while on vacation or backup the photos from my SLR's compactflash memory cards to a portable hard drive. Is this possible?
Basically it would be the usb adapter, then USB hub, with a compactflash (or SD) memory card reader and usb hdd off of it.
Anyone who has tried this, can you comment on the speed of transfer? The RAW images are around 30mb each and I have a 16gb and 2x 8gb memory cards.
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30MB! You must have 5DII, 1DMKx or D3X? Anywho, like mentioned, the best bet would try a usb hub
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I picked up a gtab and want to use it while on vacation or backup the photos from my SLR's compactflash memory cards to a portable hard drive. Is this possible?
Basically it would be the usb adapter, then USB hub, with a compactflash (or SD) memory card reader and usb hdd off of it.
Anyone who has tried this, can you comment on the speed of transfer? The RAW images are around 30mb each and I have a 16gb and 2x 8gb memory cards.
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You'd have probably been better off buying one of those portable image transfer drives...they're made for this exact purpose. Take a memory card, plug it in, hit copy. They're only like 100-150 or so, much cheaper than a tablet.
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-MSV-01-Coolwalker-Digital-Storage/dp/B0006283AG
http://www.digitalfoci.com/media_buddy_selection.html
http://www.amazon.com/PicPac-Memory-Reader-Storage-7632/dp/B003QP49NA/ref=dp_cp_ob_p_title_2